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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1250 on: May 10, 2019, 02:05:23 pm »

So t he lynch choices seem to be {mix, ADK, joth}
My preferences would be ADK > joth >> MiX

But I want to Vote: joth for now, as that puts them in a tie with MiX. Probably most likely wagon other than the stubborn people on MiX

Did people ever try to figure out who Joseph was trying to lynch? It certainly wasn't MiX.

It's...wait do we want this out? I forgot.

PPE 2: Yeah it's ADK.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1251 on: May 10, 2019, 02:06:12 pm »

One thing is certain - if we were to lynch among Galzria/MiX today, I would strongly advocate for Galzria.

I don't see a scenario where Galz is scum and his partner is anyone other than MiX.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1252 on: May 10, 2019, 02:14:16 pm »

Eventually I will go back and see how D2 unfolded, but I have to go now.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1253 on: May 10, 2019, 02:16:23 pm »

One thing is certain - if we were to lynch among Galzria/MiX today, I would strongly advocate for Galzria.

I don't see a scenario where Galz is scum and his partner is anyone other than MiX.

MiX was defended a lot by Datswan. I think that is the only major thing I got from my Swan reread.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1254 on: May 10, 2019, 03:24:41 pm »

if we have broad consensus on ADK being the lynchee that's one more name out of the lynchpool, so that's helpful.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1255 on: May 10, 2019, 03:33:55 pm »

I'm pretty sure if we lynch glooble, gkrieg, and chairs in any order, then we win. So let's do that.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1256 on: May 10, 2019, 03:40:23 pm »

I'm pretty sure if we lynch glooble, gkrieg, and chairs in any order, then we win. So let's do that.

Unless it's MiX/Galz. Then we lose.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1257 on: May 10, 2019, 03:42:23 pm »

Ok, so one option here is a Galz-MiX-DatSwan team.

If we eliminate ADK, then we're looking at 2 scum in chairs-Glooble-gkrieg as the other possibility. Of those, I think gkrieg is reading very towny, Glooble is, well, I can see why people are scumreading him, and chairs continues to be mainly lurky. Plus, faust's tracker result on gkrieg, while by no means exonerating, is a point in his favor.

So let's say we lynch MiX today and he flips town. Scum kills one of our PRs tonight. Tomorrow we're at 8, we lynch Glooble. He flips town? We're at 6 and it's milo. we no lynch I guess. Now we're at 5 townmembers: chairs, gkrieg, and three ICs. And then ... we win. Assuming all our assumptions were correct, we can lynch chairs then gkrieg.

Now let's say we lynch Glooble today and he flips town. Tomorrow, we're at 8. We can lynch chairs, he flips town. Now we're at 6, we no lynch, now we're at 5 with Galz, MiX, gkrieg. I guess at that point we lynch MiX or Galz, since.

So it seems like whatever option we choose, the odds are pretty well in our favor if we're willing to give ADK a pass. The advantage of MiX first is that it will give us a clearer idea of what we're dealing with and whether we can trust Galz. The advantage of lynching Glooble/chairs/gkrieg first is that there's a chance NKs will take care of the MiX/Galz issue for us and we won't have to waste a lynch on it, and if they don't, well, that's more evidence.

But how do we lose the game here? That's the question. In the scenarios I've laid out, we can lose to a gkrieg-ADK team. But that's a chance I'll take.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1258 on: May 10, 2019, 03:42:59 pm »

I'm pretty sure if we lynch glooble, gkrieg, and chairs in any order, then we win. So let's do that.

We only have to lynch two of them. If we hit town both times, the other one's clear because ... who's their partner?
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1259 on: May 10, 2019, 03:43:41 pm »

Basically we have enough mislynches to guarantee our win in all but the most outlandish of circumstances.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1260 on: May 10, 2019, 03:50:33 pm »

I'm pretty sure if we lynch glooble, gkrieg, and chairs in any order, then we win. So let's do that.

We only have to lynch two of them. If we hit town both times, the other one's clear because ... who's their partner?

Could be MiX. MiX being town exonerates Galz, it doesn't work the other way around.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1261 on: May 10, 2019, 03:54:00 pm »

I'm pretty sure if we lynch glooble, gkrieg, and chairs in any order, then we win. So let's do that.

We only have to lynch two of them. If we hit town both times, the other one's clear because ... who's their partner?

Could be MiX. MiX being town exonerates Galz, it doesn't work the other way around.

hmmm that's true. then we really do want to lynch MiX today. It's the most assured path to victory.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1262 on: May 10, 2019, 04:02:44 pm »

Not sure if it changes anything but we can't no lynch
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1263 on: May 10, 2019, 04:03:55 pm »

Not sure if it changes anything but we can't no lynch

We can’t ACCIDENTALLY no lynch. We can still vote for it.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1264 on: May 10, 2019, 04:27:18 pm »

I don't buy the narrative that Galz can only be scum with MiX, so I don't think there's a point in favor of a MiX lynch there.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1265 on: May 10, 2019, 04:29:52 pm »

I don't buy the narrative that Galz can only be scum with MiX, so I don't think there's a point in favor of a MiX lynch there.

I also don't buy the narrative that MiX can only be scum with Galz. Wait...

Anyway my voice doesn't matter here: you can lynch me, but obviously from my perspective that'll be a complete waste of time. I like a gkrieg lynch more than anything at this point.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1266 on: May 10, 2019, 04:31:23 pm »

Ok faust, so why does scum!promoter Galz claim when he does?
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1267 on: May 10, 2019, 04:31:47 pm »

I don't buy the narrative that Galz can only be scum with MiX, so I don't think there's a point in favor of a MiX lynch there.

I also don't buy the narrative that MiX can only be scum with Galz. Wait...

Anyway my voice doesn't matter here: you can lynch me, but obviously from my perspective that'll be a complete waste of time. I like a gkrieg lynch more than anything at this point.

really??? why gkrieg? he reads hella townie to me
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1268 on: May 10, 2019, 04:33:48 pm »

I don't buy the narrative that Galz can only be scum with MiX, so I don't think there's a point in favor of a MiX lynch there.

I also don't buy the narrative that MiX can only be scum with Galz. Wait...

Anyway my voice doesn't matter here: you can lynch me, but obviously from my perspective that'll be a complete waste of time. I like a gkrieg lynch more than anything at this point.

really??? why gkrieg? he reads hella townie to me

Hmmmmmm why? I also have a feeling scum is more likely to reread Swan and check EVERYTHING, even things about dead players. Also it's either that or chairs (I like Glooble's """case""" on me) and that just feels like lynching a lurker.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1269 on: May 10, 2019, 04:35:19 pm »

Ok faust, so why does scum!promoter Galz claim when he does?
So he doesn't get challenged, and for general towncred. I find it less likely that Galz would tie himself to a partner like that this early.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1270 on: May 10, 2019, 04:48:05 pm »

I don't buy the narrative that Galz can only be scum with MiX, so I don't think there's a point in favor of a MiX lynch there.

I also don't buy the narrative that MiX can only be scum with Galz. Wait...

Anyway my voice doesn't matter here: you can lynch me, but obviously from my perspective that'll be a complete waste of time. I like a gkrieg lynch more than anything at this point.

really??? why gkrieg? he reads hella townie to me

Hmmmmmm why? I also have a feeling scum is more likely to reread Swan and check EVERYTHING, even things about dead players. Also it's either that or chairs (I like Glooble's """case""" on me) and that just feels like lynching a lurker.

Sometimes lynching a lurker is just the right thing to do
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1271 on: May 10, 2019, 04:52:50 pm »

Ok faust, so why does scum!promoter Galz claim when he does?
So he doesn't get challenged, and for general towncred. I find it less likely that Galz would tie himself to a partner like that this early.
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There is going to be another challenge tomorrow.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1272 on: May 10, 2019, 04:53:35 pm »

Galzria, who will you be challenging?
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1273 on: May 10, 2019, 04:53:53 pm »

Do we lynch Galzria? It means we get a normal day tomorrow.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 3!)
« Reply #1274 on: May 10, 2019, 04:53:59 pm »

Galzria, who will you be challenging?
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