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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1650 on: March 17, 2019, 03:37:39 pm »

Faust/Eddie:
Why do you think it is more likely that E! Is skum vs Chicken?

What do you think of e? Because you seem to be a bit undecided on the subject.


E! is on my top 3 list. And... while they have just PPE'd while I am posting this that "they can't be on the same team as Shraeye".. I disagree with that. I think that if E! were to flip skum we would have 2 of that faction. Whereas I do think chicken is skum... and I believe that in the scenario where there are 2 skum teams, it is more likely to gain a flip of the second skum team from Chicken (when weighed against the likelihood of E!'s flip).
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1651 on: March 17, 2019, 03:37:56 pm »

One thing, you can call me scum (and be incorrect) just don't call me scum on the same team as shraeye.

Why are you not Maquis? I believe there's more pointing you towards there than non-Maquis...do you disagree?

Agree with MiX on this.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1652 on: March 17, 2019, 03:38:31 pm »

Ugh. Wagons on me. I always feel awkward defending myself, much prefer to go on the offensive and find another wagon to focus on. Like chicken, for example.

while I agree with you about Chicken... seems a little convenient. Why do you think Chicken is skum?
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1653 on: March 17, 2019, 03:43:55 pm »

I've been rereading all afternoon and now I'm tired with not much to show for it, except the same e theory that faust has put forward. Didds' questioning of it is apt, as well. It's WIFOM, since Shraeye knew he could be found out and then his defense of e would be noticed.

Option 1: He could be defending his partner, because it's day 1 and scum losing a team member day 1 is super bad. He'd have to be counting on this very WIFOM to protect him/e when one of them gets killed. Would he start this so early?

Option 2: If he's not defending a partner, then he doesn't know e's alignment. If e flipped being on the other scum team, Shraeye would look like a partner (see option 1). If he comes to believe e is scum or SK, he can always "change his mind" later, so he isn't committing himself to a position. Opposing the e wagon makes him seem towny, and puts him in conflict with other players. Maybe he has a teammate on that wagon? Oh, but that wagon is entirely town with the exception of Didds (I'm claiming town for LL).

Option 2 makes e less likely to be scum than the average unknown player because Maquis is not a possibility.

My guess is that he saw a weak wagon as an opportunity to look towny by opposing it. I'll look at faust's arguments in my next post.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1654 on: March 17, 2019, 04:12:05 pm »

Faust’s e post is solid and I appreciate the work.

faust, what about shraeye’s active bashing of the e wagon on D1. If e dies get lynched, doesn’t it look super bad for shraeye? Or I’m overthinking and if that had seemed more likely he’d have changed tactics and provided himself more cover?

Weren’t you on board for an e lynch earlier on in the game? Has that changed?
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1655 on: March 17, 2019, 04:33:49 pm »

Faust’s e post is solid and I appreciate the work.

faust, what about shraeye’s active bashing of the e wagon on D1. If e dies get lynched, doesn’t it look super bad for shraeye? Or I’m overthinking and if that had seemed more likely he’d have changed tactics and provided himself more cover?

Weren’t you on board for an e lynch earlier on in the game? Has that changed?

I don’t think that has changed. I found him townhier for a while there, and now less so. What I’m doing with faust is trying to think through a Shraeye!e team. Which is different than being willing to lynch him, I think. I find the space analysis of all the town on the e wagon with no scum a really good arg. If he’s town, there’d be more scum on board, yeah?
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1656 on: March 17, 2019, 05:41:50 pm »

One thing, you can call me scum (and be incorrect) just don't call me scum on the same team as shraeye.
Classic "You're finding me scummy for the wrong reasons!"
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1657 on: March 17, 2019, 05:43:17 pm »

Ugh. Wagons on me. I always feel awkward defending myself, much prefer to go on the offensive and find another wagon to focus on. Like chicken, for example.
Go on then, convince me.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1658 on: March 17, 2019, 08:16:46 pm »

So what do people think about hunting the non-Shraeye team with the hopes of evening that stuff up?

Swowl hinted at it a bit above but I am iffy on the subject, because if the other group is the so then it is a lot harder to nail them down.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1659 on: March 17, 2019, 08:46:32 pm »

I do not like faust's case. @faust, is e your remaining neighbor?
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1660 on: March 17, 2019, 08:48:16 pm »

So what do people think about hunting the non-Shraeye team with the hopes of evening that stuff up?

Swowl hinted at it a bit above but I am iffy on the subject, because if the other group is the so then it is a lot harder to nail them down.
Again, people assuming we have two teams.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1661 on: March 17, 2019, 08:55:16 pm »

So what do people think about hunting the non-Shraeye team with the hopes of evening that stuff up?

Swowl hinted at it a bit above but I am iffy on the subject, because if the other group is the so then it is a lot harder to nail them down.
Again, people assuming we have two teams.

What term would you prefer...?

Who would you pick as a potential Shraeye partner?
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1662 on: March 17, 2019, 08:57:00 pm »

Shraeye's team probably killed Glooble because Shraeye had a scumread on Glooble. Post #621 or so.  He mentions it again later as well.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1663 on: March 17, 2019, 09:00:03 pm »

So what do people think about hunting the non-Shraeye team with the hopes of evening that stuff up?

Swowl hinted at it a bit above but I am iffy on the subject, because if the other group is the so then it is a lot harder to nail them down.
Again, people assuming we have two teams.

What term would you prefer...?

Who would you pick as a potential Shraeye partner?
I don't know what you mean. Other than "group"?

Don't have a clue, other than WIFOM e.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 1)
« Reply #1664 on: March 17, 2019, 09:05:58 pm »

Here is the post where Shraeye scumreads Glooble. I can't find the second one right now. Maybe it was earlier.

Right; lets talk reads.  ...
Now to the bottom end of the list:
Glooble:
There's Glooble/ash Ferengi confusion that made me suspicious
Still feels like he's saying an awful lot and pushing an awful little.  That disparity is scummier than either thing by itself.  MiX is saying/pushing a lot.  Robz is saying/pushing nothing.  Cool, consistency.
He was vocally saying that gut-based reads aren't good
THIS piece, always interests me; it felt like suspicion was up and on him, but I vote, Uncle votes, and then crickets...that always raises my eyebrows off my face.  On reread, I was again thinking that I knee-jerked myself into a scumread, but it just magnifies my suspicions so much when people get cold feet and don't vote for someone they suspect.  So, Glooble's staying in my would-lynch list.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1665 on: March 17, 2019, 09:06:37 pm »

I'd say ashersky is not likely to be Shraeye's partner, given Shraeye's "ashes to ashes" campaign.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 2)
« Reply #1666 on: March 17, 2019, 09:09:40 pm »

Well technically he townread him here:

Some players have done towny things. No players have set themselves apart as “good.” 

So I’m struggling to separate the wheat.
Yeah, I agree with this big big.  I have a handful of scumreads, a double-handful of people I'm suspicious of. Another handful of people I'm null on, which makes me suspicious.  My scale is severely tipped towards scum; glooble and Uncle are my two singular townreads.  I've got DatSwan sorted into town category too, but that's mostly my gut-read from day1 carrying over.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 1)
« Reply #1667 on: March 17, 2019, 09:15:02 pm »

This is Shraeye's first defense of e. The wagon has only two people on it, mcmc and Robz. Interesting that Shraeye defends Robz in this same post while finding mcmc scummy. I guess he was really more interested in painting LL/me as scummy than in defending Robz. My main point is that two votes seems pretty early to start defending a partner when 10 votes are needed to lynch. I think he was more gunning for mcmc.

yeah, I don't want to lynch MiX, not yet. Robz lately is paying his meta in the thread trying to seem town but usually ends up as scum. hmmm
Boooo for the lazy "read".  You have read enough games to realize Robz playing up is meta is what he does.  It's a Robz-tell.  So, yes, he hasn't been abducted and replaced by weasels.

I can't tell if that or this is the scummier vote:
vote: 2.7 he doesn’t feel as genuine as he normally does to me. Hasn’t come across as towny and he normally does pretty early.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1668 on: March 17, 2019, 09:17:08 pm »

Who would you say is Shraeye’s partner?
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1669 on: March 17, 2019, 09:19:34 pm »

Funny thing is, I disagree with all the arguments against e, including the "all town" wagon. But I would still vote him, for my own reason, which is his driving of the Robz lynch. Reading it again, it's quite remarkable how he drops posts in here and there and keeps the wagon moving forward.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1670 on: March 17, 2019, 09:19:51 pm »

Who would you say is Shraeye’s partner?

You already asked me that. I said I didn't know.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1671 on: March 17, 2019, 09:21:21 pm »

Oh sorry, I forgot, only got three hours of sleep, barely holding on to my head currently.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 2)
« Reply #1672 on: March 17, 2019, 09:21:41 pm »

Well technically he townread him here:

Some players have done towny things. No players have set themselves apart as “good.” 

So I’m struggling to separate the wheat.
Yeah, I agree with this big big.  I have a handful of scumreads, a double-handful of people I'm suspicious of. Another handful of people I'm null on, which makes me suspicious.  My scale is severely tipped towards scum; glooble and Uncle are my two singular townreads.  I've got DatSwan sorted into town category too, but that's mostly my gut-read from day1 carrying over.
Ok, that throws a wrench in things. Unless he had decided to nk him. It was pretty clear that a Glooble wagon would go nowhere.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 2)
« Reply #1673 on: March 17, 2019, 09:25:10 pm »

Well technically he townread him here:

Some players have done towny things. No players have set themselves apart as “good.” 

So I’m struggling to separate the wheat.
Yeah, I agree with this big big.  I have a handful of scumreads, a double-handful of people I'm suspicious of. Another handful of people I'm null on, which makes me suspicious.  My scale is severely tipped towards scum; glooble and Uncle are my two singular townreads.  I've got DatSwan sorted into town category too, but that's mostly my gut-read from day1 carrying over.
Ok, that throws a wrench in things. Unless he had decided to nk him. It was pretty clear that a Glooble wagon would go nowhere.
Well, that wasn't actually clear until later. Guess it's a wash.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1674 on: March 17, 2019, 10:19:23 pm »

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Vote count:

faust (1): UmbrageOfSnow
2.71828..... (4): faust, UncleEurope, SpaceAnemone, MiX
UmbrageOfSnow (1): EFHW
chickenwarlord (3): DatSwan, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds
MiX (2): raerae, chickenwarlord

Not Voting (1): ashersky

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