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[faust]

Quick update on VC.

Vote Count 3.11
silverspawn (1): Faust (#1615)
arishipshape (2): Uncleeurope, Faust (#1660)
Joseph2302 (1): EFHW
EFHW (1): raerae (#1618)
Faust (1): Debatepro (#1636)

Not Voting (4): silverspawn, Joseph2302, arishipshape, shraeye

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 3 begins now and ends February 21, 2019, 04:00:00 pm.

silver sure did not take a lot of votes to lynch.

[raerae]

Quick update on VC.

Vote Count 3.11
silverspawn (1): Faust (#1615)
arishipshape (2): Uncleeurope, Faust (#1660)
Joseph2302 (1): EFHW
EFHW (1): raerae (#1618)
Faust (1): Debatepro (#1636)

Not Voting (4): silverspawn, Joseph2302, arishipshape, shraeye

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 3 begins now and ends February 21, 2019, 04:00:00 pm.

silver sure did not take a lot of votes to lynch.

You underestimate your own strength, faust.

[Uncleeurope]

This is why he is always the first NK.

[arishipshape]

I exist, I just haven't seen anything noteworthy to comment about. Anyone wanna ask me any questions?

[Uncleeurope]

Who are your partners?

[arishipshape]

Who are your partners?

Debatepro is my town partner. I'm not sure of anyone else yet (besides dead and conf)

[shraeye]

I'm not claiming what I did now. The main use of it is to keep scum honest/catch scum lying. Claiming now just helps them fakeclaim better.

I agree with your assessment EFHW.

[Joseph2302]

I'm not claiming what I did now. The main use of it is to keep scum honest/catch scum lying. Claiming now just helps them fakeclaim better.

I agree with your assessment EFHW.

I think we should massclaim (if we're going to) first

[Debatepro]

I'm not claiming what I did now. The main use of it is to keep scum honest/catch scum lying. Claiming now just helps them fakeclaim better.

I agree with your assessment EFHW.

Is it just me or is this game going nowhere. Super frustrated to be following lead of people who’ve played only to have 4 Town terminated. Any one have a rough idea of the win% for town in a closed game? Seems like losing almost half you team and two with PR and one that was unknown sucks.

Is there some strategy to setting the claim order like make the iffy superstars go first?

[raerae]

I'm not claiming what I did now. The main use of it is to keep scum honest/catch scum lying. Claiming now just helps them fakeclaim better.

I agree with your assessment EFHW.

Is it just me or is this game going nowhere. Super frustrated to be following lead of people who’ve played only to have 4 Town terminated. Any one have a rough idea of the win% for town in a closed game? Seems like losing almost half you team and two with PR and one that was unknown sucks.

Is there some strategy to setting the claim order like make the iffy superstars go first?

D3 just opened, hold onto your shorts.

[shraeye]

I'm not claiming what I did now. The main use of it is to keep scum honest/catch scum lying. Claiming now just helps them fakeclaim better.

I agree with your assessment EFHW.

Is it just me or is this game going nowhere. Super frustrated to be following lead of people who’ve played only to have 4 Town terminated. Any one have a rough idea of the win% for town in a closed game? Seems like losing almost half you team and two with PR and one that was unknown sucks.

Is there some strategy to setting the claim order like make the iffy superstars go first?

Welcome to Mafia, it's a roller coaster.

[shraeye]

Alright,


Here's the game we are playing right now.  We're playing "assume there are 3 scum and pick them".  Reasons would be nice, but I'm not asking for (or wanting) entire cases right now.

DebatePro starts.
Then Arishipshape.
faust
silverspawn
UncleEurope
joseph
raerae
EFHW
shraeye.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

                                         Vote Count 3.2


arishipshape (2): Uncleeurope, faust
Joseph2302 (1): EFHW
EFHW (1): raerae
faust (1): Debatepro

Not Voting (4): silverspawn, Joseph2302, arishipshape, shraeye

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 3 ends February 21, 2019, 04:00:00 pm.

To celebrate St. Valentine's Day Massacre Day, silverspawn does not take 4 fewer votes to lynch today. Happy Holiday to shraeye and raerae, Debatepro and his wizard girlfriend, and anyone else who feels happy about it. Everyone else, remember: if your date isn't interested in talking about metaphysics, try to pretend to be interested anyway while subtly redirecting the conversation back to metaphysics. If you don't have a date it's even easier, you can just talk to yourself about metaphysics and let everyone think/realize that you are insane.

[shraeye]

In the meantime; here's a post that I penned up, but wanted to wait until more people chimed in.
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What I don’t understand is how scum knew mail-me had a PR? It can’t be a lucky shot right, he wasn’t helping town with his analysis or activity, why kill him over a better town player or someone who actually made a claim?

They asked themselves, "why did mail-mi move from a scumread of shraeye/LaLight to off the table??"  Looked at mail-mi's posts to see what I saw.  Then saw what I saw.

mail-mi is exactly who I would have killed if I were scum.  Sure, I was probably a choice that they discussed as well.  Although I'm conftown, I have no private information (except LaLight's Day1 reads, kinda obsolete now).  Killing conf-town is good, but any Cop is much more dangerous than me.  If mail-mi had been alive today, he could claim Cop (it would be super believable), and possibly verify 2 people are town.  If his N2 target were a PR (and he didn't do something dumb like target a claimed PR), he could basically say "I'm cop, raerae is town, XXX is likely scum".  Not really sure why there's any inkling of "mail-mi, huh? weird." running around.

So, now I'm sitting here trying to figure out, of everyone saying "why mail-mi? that seems suuuper weird", is it honest confusion or manufactured?  That's Joseph, EFHW, Joseph again, DebatePro.

At this point I believe EFHW's claim, so I'll chalk that up to confusion.  So Joseph and DebatePro...

[Debatepro]

I disagree with the format, usually the person who goes first should get to also speak last, since they don't get a chance to make counter arguments to cases made before in-line, unlike every other player. Perhaps it's just the towniest of the towns get's to go first because they are useless.   

Alright,  Here's the game we are playing right now.  We're playing "assume there are 3 scum and pick them".  Reasons would be nice, but I'm not asking for (or wanting) entire cases right now.
DebatePro

Team Town:
Debatepro - Town - I've made an emphatic defense over multiple days, open book with every decision, and my thinking.
silverspawn - Town - Defends MiX in D1 & doesn't vote DS in D2. What more town cred do you need.
raerae - Town
shraeye Town
UncleEurope - Null-town

Team Not-Town:
Then Arishipshape. Scum - I'm inclined to believe SS and the case against him.  If he is the pawn sacrifice, maybe we should take it.
faust - Scum - I find it interesting he asserted SS could be pulling a pawn sacrifice (#1637 & #1651) 15 posts into D2 (dubious) only to do it himself in #1660, classic projection. Also as soon as Mail-Mi voted Ari and Faust signaled his intent to hammer DS in the next post #1456. Again, why is he still alive, the mason kill in N1 i get, but I disagree that mail-mi was a bigger threat to scum, if faust was town. 
EFHW .6 Scum - I thought the "let me find the post" and then like 8 minutes later she found it sketch plus what raerae said #1655.
joseph .4 Scum - I question the overselling the MiX wagon as scummy af and it's so clear he was town when the masons were on Mix as careless. See #1167

If you made me pick between Joseph and EFHW right now, I'd probably vote for EFHW because I find tension with the analysis and claims. However,  I also recognize I probably shouldn't have played a closed game for my first one.

[Uncleeurope]

So, now I'm sitting here trying to figure out, of everyone saying "why mail-mi? that seems suuuper weird", is it honest confusion or manufactured?  That's Joseph, EFHW, Joseph again, DebatePro.

At this point I believe EFHW's claim, so I'll chalk that up to confusion.  So Joseph and DebatePro...

Don’t forget Arishipshape’s opening post, he is in the mix as well.

[faust]

Debatepro: Where do you get the idea from that town!me is a super big threat for scum?

[faust]

I'm currently doing a reread. Will share more later, but for now, in the light of this:

Not to mention that scum tends to bus to much, as I've said many times.

I want to show exhibit A:

So let's see.

Strong Town Read:  Debatepro, arishipshape

Mild Town Read: EFHW, MiX

Null: faust, mail-mi, Uncleeurope, DatSwan, Joseph2302, shraeye

Mild scum: raerae, LaLight

[Debatepro]

I probably won’t be answering any questions or responding to posts today, and perhaps at least until everyone else is on the record with the IC’s request.  Call it a mental health day.

[shraeye]

I disagree with the format, usually the person who goes first should get to also speak last, since they don't get a chance to make counter arguments to cases made before in-line, unlike every other player.

A) I picked the order for a reason, no need for me to say what it is.
B) I'm specifically requesting NO CASES; summarized explanations are fine (great even)
C) There is nothing stopping anybody from discussing as views come in; in fact, that would be awesome.

[shraeye]

Cool, so

DebatePro: Ari, faust, EFHW

arishipshape:
faust:
silverspawn:
UncleEurope:
Joseph2302:
raerae:
EFHW:
shraeye:

[faust]

DebatePro: Ari, faust, EFHW

Debatepro (when you have the time): Walk me through how it happens that scum!EFHW claims a Motion Detector result on town!Eddie.

[EFHW]

So, now I'm sitting here trying to figure out, of everyone saying "why mail-mi? that seems suuuper weird", is it honest confusion or manufactured?  That's Joseph, EFHW, Joseph again, DebatePro.

At this point I believe EFHW's claim, so I'll chalk that up to confusion.  So Joseph and DebatePro...

I'll answer anyway. I expect scum to want to avoid nk'ing people who are easier to lynch. I didn't think about faust's point that once mail-mi claimed, the lynch would in all probability fail.

[faust]

I exist, I just haven't seen anything noteworthy to comment about. Anyone wanna ask me any questions?

So do you still exist? You're kind of holding things up you know.

[arishipshape]

I exist, I just haven't seen anything noteworthy to comment about. Anyone wanna ask me any questions?

So do you still exist? You're kind of holding things up you know.

Holding things up? Am I stopping the inevitable flow of time from second to second?