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[Debatepro]

If it isn't you two, and it isn't Ari, who do we vote today? Uncle, debate, or EFHW?

Why isn't it Ari? (skimming and didn't see that called out).

I'm out most of the day, I will be back later to see if there are any direct questions or requests.

[faust]

If it isn't you two, and it isn't Ari, who do we vote today? Uncle, debate, or EFHW?

Eddie err Uncle.

[EFHW]

EFHW, thoughts on a faust/silver team? Who's their third?

My worst fear and what I just signed on to talk about. There might not even be a third. I really think we need to lynch one of them, and faust feels much townier than silver, so I want us to lynch silver.

[raerae]

If it isn't you two, and it isn't Ari, who do we vote today? Uncle, debate, or EFHW?

Why isn't it Ari? (skimming and didn't see that called out).

I'm out most of the day, I will be back later to see if there are any direct questions or requests.

Because I'd rather not. Obviously I'm only one person but it's going to take some convincing to get me there.

[raerae]

Debate, you good with silver?

Uncle, thoughts on Ari?

Ari, can I get your lunch order, please?

[EFHW]

Also trying to show EFHW that she's being a bit silly about scum NKing her here.

I don't see this obvious thing you and faust are so sure about, so can you spell it out?

[silverspawn]

Also trying to show EFHW that she's being a bit silly about scum NKing her here.

I don't see this obvious thing you and faust are so sure about, so can you spell it out?

There are 7 players right now, 1 an IC, three scum (no way the game is balanced with only 2). So there are exactly three players that can be mislynched today. Scum only needs to mislynch one of them and the game is over. They have three chances to get this done.

If they kill you, the player field changes from 3 lynchable players to 2. That means one third of their mislynch potential is gone forever. If they kill an IC instead (assuming no ninja), there is about a 1/5 chance for you to catch scum. Let's be really generous and say 1/3. In that case, you have a guilty result and one scum gets lynched.*

How do these weigh up against each other? I'd say taking one person out of the lynchpool is worse for scum than losing one player. And the former would be guaranteed to happen, while the latter only has < 1/3 chance. So even if they were equally bad, the damage done to scum by NKing you would still be at least three times as large.

And then consider that your result is not even reliable (*). Like, if you were scum you would win with one more mislynch, so you could just claim a guilty result on a towny. So actually even the above way of looking at it is overly generous.

You can disagree with parts of that, but if you take it all together, no way killing you is the correct move.

[raerae]

Silver, if faust is off the table, who would you prefer to kill?

[silverspawn]

arishipshape

[raerae]

arishipshape

Ready to call a third yet?

[raerae]

Debate, you good with silver?

Uncle, thoughts on Ari?

Ari, can I get your lunch order, please?

Sorry, forgot you were soft-voting Ari, what about debate? Do you see a faust/silver team?

[silverspawn]

arishipshape

Ready to call a third yet?

per PoE it has to be eddie.

[raerae]

arishipshape

Ready to call a third yet?

per PoE it has to be eddie.

So faust, Ari, Eddie is the team? I'm trying to make sure I have everything straight, sorry if it seems like I'm playing twenty questions.

[silverspawn]

yeah

[Uncleeurope]

Debate, you good with silver?

Uncle, thoughts on Ari?

Ari, can I get your lunch order, please?

Sorry, forgot you were soft-voting Ari, what about debate? Do you see a faust/silver team?

At least one of them has to be scum, probably silver. Both of them are possible, but their interactions seem much more extreme than I would expect from a scum team.

That being said silver did mention awkwardness in his interactions with Faust early being due to attempting to get in less fights with Faust. This seems like a weird game to get into that mindset without a reason. So maybe they are a team.

I would guess not, though. Faust just seems town to me, though, so that leaves me with Arishipshape, Silver, Debatepro.

(Also worth noting silver’s continued insistence that Debatepro is town)

Also interested in why I am seen as being scummier than Debatepro by Faust?

[raerae]

Debate, you good with silver?

Uncle, thoughts on Ari?

Ari, can I get your lunch order, please?

Sorry, forgot you were soft-voting Ari, what about debate? Do you see a faust/silver team?

At least one of them has to be scum, probably silver. Both of them are possible, but their interactions seem much more extreme than I would expect from a scum team.

That being said silver did mention awkwardness in his interactions with Faust early being due to attempting to get in less fights with Faust. This seems like a weird game to get into that mindset without a reason. So maybe they are a team.

I would guess not, though. Faust just seems town to me, though, so that leaves me with Arishipshape, Silver, Debatepro.

(Also worth noting silver’s continued insistence that Debatepro is town)

Also interested in why I am seen as being scummier than Debatepro by Faust?

I'm assuming this is directed at faust and silver?

[Uncleeurope]

Faust, although if silver wants to chime in I would appreciate that as well, where do either of you (Faust/silver) find me scummy in relation to any of this?

[faust]

Faust, although if silver wants to chime in I would appreciate that as well, where do either of you (Faust/silver) find me scummy in relation to any of this?

First thing, PoE. There are at least 2 scum in {silver, you, Debate}. And I read Debate as townier. You did not seem very invested in during the last Day and I strongly dislike the way you voted Joseph in the end only to jump back off when that wagon started gaining momentum.

I also think that you make more sense as silver's partner. Debate/silver interaction has been quite strange and it does not seem that partnery.

[raerae]

Faust, although if silver wants to chime in I would appreciate that as well, where do either of you (Faust/silver) find me scummy in relation to any of this?

First thing, PoE. There are at least 2 scum in {silver, you, Debate}. And I read Debate as townier. You did not seem very invested in during the last Day and I strongly dislike the way you voted Joseph in the end only to jump back off when that wagon started gaining momentum.

I also think that you make more sense as silver's partner. Debate/silver interaction has been quite strange and it does not seem that partnery.

What would you expect from partners re: interaction? Agreement, fighting, ignoring?

[faust]

Faust, although if silver wants to chime in I would appreciate that as well, where do either of you (Faust/silver) find me scummy in relation to any of this?

First thing, PoE. There are at least 2 scum in {silver, you, Debate}. And I read Debate as townier. You did not seem very invested in during the last Day and I strongly dislike the way you voted Joseph in the end only to jump back off when that wagon started gaining momentum.

I also think that you make more sense as silver's partner. Debate/silver interaction has been quite strange and it does not seem that partnery.

What would you expect from partners re: interaction? Agreement, fighting, ignoring?

Well, there isn't one specific interaction that I expect. But Debate was basically hailing silver as his Yoda during D2, and I don't think scum would do that to their partner.

Unvote Interested in hearing from SS and what they think.

Right now the player I trust the most is SS.

[Uncleeurope]

How exactly did I not seem invested to you? Because I had to leave?

I don’t think it was gaining momentum much at all when I voted, or it didn’t seem to be to me. I think most of the votes came after me, but I might be misremembering. When I left I had no idea what would happen.

That being said, if it came down to it I would have voted for Joseph there, so fair enough.

What does that make your scumteam then? Me, silver, and who? Do our interactions support whatever your conclusion is?

I have absolutely no idea how Debatepro reads townier than me.

[raerae]

Well, I'm ready to vote as soon as debate and Ari answer my questions.

[faust]

What does that make your scumteam then? Me, silver, and who? Do our interactions support whatever your conclusion is?

I'm not calling scumteams just now. silver is scum, that's enough for today. Rereads are in order when we have a scum flip.

[Debatepro]

Debate, you good with silver?

Uncle, thoughts on Ari?

Ari, can I get your lunch order, please?

Sorry, forgot you were soft-voting Ari, what about debate? Do you see a faust/silver team?

So I had a few buckets:
Shraeye/Raerae
SS
Eddie
Joseph/EFHW
Ari/Faust

After flips here are my buckets:
Raerae
SS/Faust/EFHW
Ari/Eddie

I think there has to be one or two scum in that second group, and i also feel desperate to get a more impactful player out of the game. Every time I make a case for one of them in my head, I see reasonable counter points and a desire to believe each of them.

So the biggest shift has been to move silver into that second group, so I am more likely to read a compelling case against him with more neutral eyes. Whereas prior to this day I viewed him as towny.

[arishipshape]

Well, I'm ready to vote as soon as debate and Ari answer my questions.

This the question you talking about?

Ari, can I get your lunch order, please?

If so, for my last meal I shall have seafood. Like, pretty much any halveway decent seafood.

Vote: Arishipshape

Ok, yesterday and the day before that, I was a lot more chill with my lynch. I kinda gave up proving my townieness as a lost cause, and figured you could lynch me and have it over with. Now, that has changed. We are now at Lynch right or Lose. Therefore, i'm going to have to demand a better case than "you were fake at the start of day 2". Why, in exact and excruciatingly glorious detail, are you voting for me?