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Vote Count 4.1


arishipshape (1) Uncleeurope

Not Voting (6): Debatepro, faust, silverspawn, arishipshape, EFHW, raerae

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Day 4 ends March 03, 2019, 04:00:00 pm.

[EFHW]

My survival strongly suggests ninja, plus the hope that I'll get lynched. silver made a big deal out of my "innocent " result on him. That has a ninja!scum feel to it.

How does Ninja explain your survival?

They want me to give innocent results and aren't worried about being caught. Without ninja, I could happen upon the nk doer, so they would kill me to prevent me from reporting my result.

[EFHW]

Sadly, if true, this means my role has been not just useless but even negative utility.

[EFHW]

FYI to Eddie, if we have three scum and you and ari are both town ...

[Uncleeurope]

Unvote

“Vote: Arishipshape”

Fair enough.

[silverspawn]

My survival strongly suggests ninja, plus the hope that I'll get lynched. silver made a big deal out of my "innocent " result on him. That has a ninja!scum feel to it.

I don't think I see the connection. If you already have an innocent result, it seems irrelevant how it's come to be. It's not like I was taunting you to target me in the future.

Ninja would indeed make your role useless which is why I don't think it's very likely.

I also don't think the NK is surprising. You are a possible mislynch – you shouldn't be, but you are – and given how small the lynch pool is, scum is probably fine with a relatively small risk in exchange for keeping you in it. I think you expecting to be the kill is towny, not that it changes much.

[silverspawn]

FYI to Eddie, if we have three scum and you and ari are both town ...

Unlikely. But it is true that we should not vote before deciding whom to lynch.

[raerae]

My survival strongly suggests ninja, plus the hope that I'll get lynched. silver made a big deal out of my "innocent " result on him. That has a ninja!scum feel to it.

How does Ninja explain your survival?

They want me to give innocent results and aren't worried about being caught. Without ninja, I could happen upon the nk doer, so they would kill me to prevent me from reporting my result.

Why go after uncle again?  Why not silver, you know, the guy you think (thought?) is scum?

[EFHW]

My survival strongly suggests ninja, plus the hope that I'll get lynched. silver made a big deal out of my "innocent " result on him. That has a ninja!scum feel to it.

How does Ninja explain your survival?

They want me to give innocent results and aren't worried about being caught. Without ninja, I could happen upon the nk doer, so they would kill me to prevent me from reporting my result.

Why go after uncle again?  Why not silver, you know, the guy you think (thought?) is scum?

So sarcastic! I tried to choose the person they would feel was the safest to do the nk. Someone I would be least likely to target.

Really disagree with silver that without ninja they would still leave me alive.

[raerae]

My survival strongly suggests ninja, plus the hope that I'll get lynched. silver made a big deal out of my "innocent " result on him. That has a ninja!scum feel to it.

How does Ninja explain your survival?

They want me to give innocent results and aren't worried about being caught. Without ninja, I could happen upon the nk doer, so they would kill me to prevent me from reporting my result.

Why go after uncle again?  Why not silver, you know, the guy you think (thought?) is scum?

So sarcastic! I tried to choose the person they would feel was the safest to do the nk. Someone I would be least likely to target.

Really disagree with silver that without ninja they would still leave me alive.

So do you still think he's scum?  What do you think of faust?

[EFHW]

silver scum, faust town.

[faust]

Told you.

Wow, wildly helpful, feel better now?

Much better, thanks.

Everybody game for an EFHW vote now?

No. The way I see it, at most one of ari/EFHW is scum. EFHW is off the terrible Jopseh wagon, while ari derphammered.

[faust]

FYI to Eddie, if we have three scum and you and ari are both town ...

Unlikely. But it is true that we should not vote before deciding whom to lynch.

I'm decided. Vote: silver

[silverspawn]

vote: faust

[silverspawn]

so theoretically, if none of us gets quickhammered sometime soon, it must be town vs scum. So you should think about, have a look at all the evidence out there, and decide which of us is more likely to be lying.

practically, coordinating a quick hammer is difficult, so this is not really a hard guarantee. but given the PoE we have here I have very little doubt that faust is scum, so we may aswell assume it.

[silverspawn]

"Hypothetical" question to faust: if you were scum, whom would you have shot last night and why?

[faust]

"Hypothetical" question to faust: if you were scum, whom would you have shot last night and why?

Silly question really. But if EFHW was also scum, raerae, and if not, shraeye. Reasons should be obvious.

[faust]

so theoretically, if none of us gets quickhammered sometime soon, it must be town vs scum. So you should think about, have a look at all the evidence out there, and decide which of us is more likely to be lying.

practically, coordinating a quick hammer is difficult, so this is not really a hard guarantee. but given the PoE we have here I have very little doubt that faust is scum, so we may aswell assume it.

So why would scum!me try to defend Joseph?

[faust]

It is very clear to me that there is no way that town!silver reacts to my vote like this.

[silverspawn]

"Hypothetical" question to faust: if you were scum, whom would you have shot last night and why?

Silly question really. But if EFHW was also scum, raerae, and if not, shraeye. Reasons should be obvious.

Yeah. I mean, I think so too. If you had said EFHW, that would have increased my confidence in you being scum.

so theoretically, if none of us gets quickhammered sometime soon, it must be town vs scum. So you should think about, have a look at all the evidence out there, and decide which of us is more likely to be lying.

practically, coordinating a quick hammer is difficult, so this is not really a hard guarantee. but given the PoE we have here I have very little doubt that faust is scum, so we may aswell assume it.

So why would scum!me try to defend Joseph?

For towncred.

Why would scum!me defend EFHW? Presumably, you think it's for towncred also. Unless you think we're partners.

[silverspawn]

Also trying to show EFHW that she's being a bit silly about scum NKing her here.

[faust]

so theoretically, if none of us gets quickhammered sometime soon, it must be town vs scum. So you should think about, have a look at all the evidence out there, and decide which of us is more likely to be lying.

practically, coordinating a quick hammer is difficult, so this is not really a hard guarantee. but given the PoE we have here I have very little doubt that faust is scum, so we may aswell assume it.

So why would scum!me try to defend Joseph?

For towncred.

Bullshit. It only ever gives me towncred if Joseph is lynched despite my efforts, which I would have no way of knowing. Otherwise all it means is that people are now more inclined to vote me over Joseph.

Why would scum!me defend EFHW? Presumably, you think it's for towncred also. Unless you think we're partners.

You did not defend EFHW. You pointed out an obvious setup thing that means that EFHW is town conditional on ari being scum. To my knowledge you did not make an argument against lynching EFHW that was based on something other than that. shraeye was the reason there was no EFHW lynch, not you.

[silverspawn]

You did not defend EFHW.

I had her as a town read from day 1 onward, and I pointed out how she feels different from the previous game (where she was scum) and how classical scumtells shouldn't be valued normally wrt her multiple times (for example here). I never advocated lynching her even before her claim.

But more importantly, you're just lying about the setup thing being obvious. No-one pointed it out except me, and literally no-one ever agreed with it. That includes you. Which is strange as I've pointed out before (one of my reasons to scumread you) because I expected that you would agree with it. But I remember you saying EFHW's claim looked scummy because there was too much town power floating around.

Regardless, a point is objectively nonobvious if no-one else makes it or agrees with it. There's also no reason why it should be obvious since it's based on something that would only even make senses to mods.

Saying that shraey was the reason she wasn't lynched and I wasn't the reason is also pretty silly. If 19 people do a majority vote and one option wins 10-9, then everyone voting for that option would have changed the outcome by voting differently. Being "the reason" is not a well-defined concept. The question is whether there is a chance that EFHW would have been lynched if I had supported that lynch, and I think the answer is a clear yes, since she was very much on the table despite my saying repeatedly that I don't want to lynch her. if I had said the opposite, of course that could have changed something. If shraey had pushed her lynch, that would also have changed something. Probably more since his voice had more weight.

[raerae]

If it isn't you two, and it isn't Ari, who do we vote today? Uncle, debate, or EFHW?

[raerae]

EFHW, thoughts on a faust/silver team? Who's their third?