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[Glooble]

Ashersky flipping town wouldn’t IC e, but it would eliminate the possibility of an e/ash team which is the big danger here.

Regardless, I’m arguing for an e lynch. And if we really believe that a town result from a confirmed cop is meaningless, then why have we been treating ash like an IC all game? Why didn’t we re-lynch him on day 2? A cop result might have a tiny chance of being wrong but that’s not the same as saying it’s meanongless. We’ve been treating this cop result as gospel all day without a shred of proof that the person claiming it is town, and now you and Glooble are saying that if we get that proof it will somehow become less valuable? Huh?

If we lynch ash, we get to see her role. So if she’s scum, but her role says “godfather” we can still trust e. If she’s scum and her role doesn’t say godfather, we lynch e immediately. If she’s town we still have the possibility that e is scum, but we don’t have the possibility of scum with a daykill.

I really think if we’re goinn to lynch one of either e or ash, it should be ash.

[ashersky]

Glooble is right; if you want to lynch from the pair, you get more out of lynching me, I think.

Lynch 2.7 and flips scum, learn zilch about ash. Flips town cop, still suspect me as godfather because tunneling is your thing.

Lynch ash and flips town, learn zilch about 2.7.  (That’s what will happen.). Flips scum not gf, caught 2.7. Flips scum gf, learn zilch about 2.7.

So, you get 50% zilch from my lynch, 66% zilch from 2.7, from an outside perspective.  From my perspective, lynching me gets you nothing because my town flip doesn’t do anything but prove your nonsense theory wrong. Lynching 2.7 also gets you nothing because you will gunnel me regardless.

Meanwhile, literally every other player in the game seems like a better lynch than either of us, based on “post-lynch info” possibilities.

[ashersky]

I do promise you this: get two votes on me (other than two twins) and I will hammer.

[Awaclus]

I do promise you this: get two votes on me (other than two twins) and I will hammer.

Are you still double hated?

[Awaclus]

If ash is still double hated then we either have to hit scum today or we have to lynch ash today (or both).

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If ash is still double hated then we either have to hit scum today or we have to lynch ash today (or both).

I say we lynch scum, not ashersky.

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Also space and WCD need to vote.

[Awaclus]

If ash is still double hated then we either have to hit scum today or we have to lynch ash today (or both).

I say we lynch scum, not ashersky.

Good idea. Then you should join the WCD wagon to make that more likely to happen.

[jotheonah]

vote: ashersky

You’ve convinced me.

[jotheonah]

Also, reread this day and tell me again I’m tunneling. I’ve been vascillating back and forth between e and UoS. I’m not at all sure who scum is. You can accuse me of many things, but tunneling? Nah.

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Also, reread this day and tell me again I’m tunneling. I’ve been vascillating back and forth between e and UoS. I’m not at all sure who scum is. You can accuse me of many things, but tunneling? Nah.

I won't call it tunneling then, I will call it misguided.

There are a million reasons to lynch either WCD or UoS today.  Everyone else is just kind of on the outside and we can figure it out tomorrow.  Voting outside of {WCD, UoS} is just plain scummy in my opinion.

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I totally understand why people believe WCD to be scum.  I will join the wagon if I need to to get a lynch because we need a lynch.  I just think it is a mistake.

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joth, are you going to be totally v/la or will you be able to come back and potentially switch to a wagon near deadline for a lynch?

[SpaceAnemone]

Also space and WCD need to vote.

Agreed. Amongst other things, I'd like to know the answer to this question, which you seem to have ignored in spite of addressing the very next question in the thread:

Could you remind me where all this high-town-likelihood on Awaclus comes from?

I agree with you that UoS and WCD seem to be top contenders for today's lynch, but I don't understand why Awaclus is off the table from your PoV.

[SpaceAnemone]

WCD: where did you get motion detector from?  That’s the huge inconsistency problem I have.

I have my suspicions, but I'd like to see WCD address this herself.

[jotheonah]

joth, are you going to be totally v/la or will you be able to come back and potentially switch to a wagon near deadline for a lynch?

I can pop in.

I’ll vote for Snow to keep the lynch from being WCD.

[jotheonah]

So far, ppl are saying WCD is scummy because of these inconsistencies, but no one can say what pro-scum agenda has been accomplished by those inconsistencies. This isn’t someone changing their story in a convenient way, it’s just someone changing their story. That’s why I believe WCD.

[SpaceAnemone]

Ashersky or someone else with more experience could probably say better, but botching claims in RMMs seem to be more a town trait than scum. This is different than what we saw from mail-mi with their intentionally false claim. WCD rather just described his action using wrong mafia terminology, but they still claimed what they actually did consistently. Which I think is more townie coming from WCD.

I find it ironic that in a game in which many players are making a conscious effort to use "default-she/her" for flavour reasons, you have managed to use "his" by default (I assume!?) for the only player in this entire game who uses "she/her" pronouns in normal games :-P

[jotheonah]

Also, reread this day and tell me again I’m tunneling. I’ve been vascillating back and forth between e and UoS. I’m not at all sure who scum is. You can accuse me of many things, but tunneling? Nah.

I won't call it tunneling then, I will call it misguided.

There are a million reasons to lynch either WCD or UoS today.  Everyone else is just kind of on the outside and we can figure it out tomorrow.  Voting outside of {WCD, UoS} is just plain scummy in my opinion.

Why? The cases on both of them are garbage cases. When did they become the only lynch options?

[Glooble]

Also space and WCD need to vote.

Agreed. Amongst other things, I'd like to know the answer to this question, which you seem to have ignored in spite of addressing the very next question in the thread:

Could you remind me where all this high-town-likelihood on Awaclus comes from?

I agree with you that UoS and WCD seem to be top contenders for today's lynch, but I don't understand why Awaclus is off the table from your PoV.

I’m totally happy to lynch Awaclus.

[jotheonah]

I have one more question for e.

Why were you so insistent on getting UoS’s claim? You really clammored for it and then didn’t even respond to it when it came.

E, please answer this question.

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I have one more question for e.

Why were you so insistent on getting UoS’s claim? You really clammored for it and then didn’t even respond to it when it came.

E, please answer this question.

Because I wanted to make an informed decision about lynching rather than just lynch based on PoE

[SpaceAnemone]

So far, ppl are saying WCD is scummy because of these inconsistencies, but no one can say what pro-scum agenda has been accomplished by those inconsistencies. This isn’t someone changing their story in a convenient way, it’s just someone changing their story. That’s why I believe WCD.

It's absolutely consistent with a scum-slip, because it's possible she quoted from her QT with Swan back in the scum QT, and was then penalised for it.

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Also space and WCD need to vote.

Agreed. Amongst other things, I'd like to know the answer to this question, which you seem to have ignored in spite of addressing the very next question in the thread:

Could you remind me where all this high-town-likelihood on Awaclus comes from?

I agree with you that UoS and WCD seem to be top contenders for today's lynch, but I don't understand why Awaclus is off the table from your PoV.

I think Awaclus has had a very townie game. Basically my read on them is gut when it comes down to it. Why is Awaclus on the table from your POV?

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Ashersky or someone else with more experience could probably say better, but botching claims in RMMs seem to be more a town trait than scum. This is different than what we saw from mail-mi with their intentionally false claim. WCD rather just described his action using wrong mafia terminology, but they still claimed what they actually did consistently. Which I think is more townie coming from WCD.

I find it ironic that in a game in which many players are making a conscious effort to use "default-she/her" for flavour reasons, you have managed to use "his" by default (I assume!?) for the only player in this entire game who uses "she/her" pronouns in normal games :-P

Oops,sorry about that one. I have been trying to make sure I use the right pronoun I just messed up that time, especially bad since WCD is actually a "she"