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Karpeth

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Re: Capitalism and Black Market
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2024, 04:38:45 pm »
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This introduces a vulnerability, since it gives you a +buy to compensate.

Reveal 3 cards from the Black Market deck. Choose one; it's available to buy in your Buy phase this turn, without consuming a buy.  At the start of Clean-up, put the unbought cards on the bottom of the Black Market deck.

My suggestion to your errata is just to change it so it doesn’t consume a buy.

I'm missing something... what do you mean "introduces a vulnerability"? What's a "vulnerability"? "If you buy it, +1 buy" seems the same as "buying it doesn't consume a buy" to me.

* Snowy village - Ignore further +actions. If a card comes with the same effect, but for buys, i.e. Ignore further +buys, then that would alter the functionality of black market in a way it's not possible to do right now, that is that change would be vulnerable to such effect, while  "buying it doesn't consume a buy" preserves the effect, just moving bm purchasing to the buy phase.
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Re: Capitalism and Black Market
« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2024, 05:11:33 am »
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* Snowy village - Ignore further +actions. If a card comes with the same effect, but for buys, i.e. Ignore further +buys, then that would alter the functionality of black market in a way it's not possible to do right now, that is that change would be vulnerable to such effect, while  "buying it doesn't consume a buy" preserves the effect, just moving bm purchasing to the buy phase.

Wouldn't "you may buy" not use 1 Buy equally to "you may play" does not use 1 Action?
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Re: Capitalism and Black Market
« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2024, 07:24:06 am »
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* Snowy village - Ignore further +actions. If a card comes with the same effect, but for buys, i.e. Ignore further +buys, then that would alter the functionality of black market in a way it's not possible to do right now, that is that change would be vulnerable to such effect, while  "buying it doesn't consume a buy" preserves the effect, just moving bm purchasing to the buy phase.

Wouldn't "you may buy" not use 1 Buy equally to "you may play" does not use 1 Action?

My suggestion was in response to DXV's proposed change, not to the original wording
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Re: Capitalism and Black Market
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2024, 10:20:04 am »
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* Snowy village - Ignore further +actions. If a card comes with the same effect, but for buys, i.e. Ignore further +buys, then that would alter the functionality of black market in a way it's not possible to do right now, that is that change would be vulnerable to such effect, while  "buying it doesn't consume a buy" preserves the effect, just moving bm purchasing to the buy phase.

Wouldn't "you may buy" not use 1 Buy equally to "you may play" does not use 1 Action?

Not necessarily. "You may buy it in your buy phase" could be interpreted that way, but it could also be interpreted as "it is available to buy in your buy phase". Quite possibly "available to buy" was chosen to avoid that ambiguity.

*Edit* I just looked at Captain to understand why it's different. Captain, at the start of your next turn, says to play a card. It's not saying now that sometime next turn you can play a card. The big difference seems to be that the buy can't happen at a specific moment that an ability triggers (at the start of your buy phase). It's just an extra things that's not available. You could still be right, but I think that extra clarification is needed, and just having it in the FAQ probably isn't good enough for something like that.
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