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[pingpongsam]

If hyper is scum, then Joseph and Fang look probtown because of Joseph's early wagon.

EFHW looks reasonably innocent for hesitating here.

PPS looks like a possible partner, though one with heavy bussing.. this sort of a fake-claim plan has a very PPS-is feel to it, though. His move to EFHW makes that feel even more likely.

If you think that may actually be the case then vote EFHW.

Wait, what are you talking about?

I thought you were implying I might be a bussing scum partner with EFHW. If you want to test that theory then join me in voting EFHW. If she flips scum, great, I will deal with your theory tomorrow.

[SpaceAnemone]

Fake claim here makes no sense. A counter claim today seals the deal and one tomorrow means the on guillotine player is completely ignored.

You don't think scum!hypercube would take that risk given his imminent demise? Only 5 out of 13 people on, and if the real tracker is on  and counterclaims they have outed them. I don't follow your point about counter claim tomorrow.

Both questions have the same answer. Demise is not imminent. Yes they die but the value lies in having influence tomorrow which is immediately lost with a counter claim today or tomorrow.

Say he's scum and we we do get a counterclaim:

Option 1: lynch hyper. He's around and active tomorrow, whereas town's real tracker is dead and out of the game immediately.

Option 2: lynch the counterclaim. They're not quite IC tomorrow, but they have a result to claim too, meaning more possibilities for PoE. But Hyper is still alive and involved tomorrow too, which doesn't actually bring us closer to the town wincon.

[SpaceAnemone]

If hyper is scum, then Joseph and Fang look probtown because of Joseph's early wagon.

EFHW looks reasonably innocent for hesitating here.

PPS looks like a possible partner, though one with heavy bussing.. this sort of a fake-claim plan has a very PPS-is feel to it, though. His move to EFHW makes that feel even more likely.

If you think that may actually be the case then vote EFHW.

Wait, what are you talking about?

I thought you were implying I might be a bussing scum partner with EFHW. If you want to test that theory then join me in voting EFHW. If she flips scum, great, I will deal with your theory tomorrow.

Ah, no, I mean you could be a bussing scum partner to Hyper. This kind of fake-claim is very much your style, as I remember from my newbie scum game with you, where you were desperate for some exciting fake-claim action :-P

[EFHW]

Just remembered delayed flip. But still, I don't think he would be trusted tomorrow. 

Can an on guillotine player be nk'd?

Real tracker could choose not to counterclaim. Could be worth it.

[EFHW]

I like a good fakeclaim, but that's not really relevant here.

[SpaceAnemone]

@hyper, in the game(s) you've played before here, how relevant was breadcrumbing a tracker or other town night-time PR result?

[pingpongsam]

If hyper is scum, then Joseph and Fang look probtown because of Joseph's early wagon.

EFHW looks reasonably innocent for hesitating here.

PPS looks like a possible partner, though one with heavy bussing.. this sort of a fake-claim plan has a very PPS-is feel to it, though. His move to EFHW makes that feel even more likely.

If you think that may actually be the case then vote EFHW.

Wait, what are you talking about?

I thought you were implying I might be a bussing scum partner with EFHW. If you want to test that theory then join me in voting EFHW. If she flips scum, great, I will deal with your theory tomorrow.

Ah, no, I mean you could be a bussing scum partner to Hyper. This kind of fake-claim is very much your style, as I remember from my newbie scum game with you, where you were desperate for some exciting fake-claim action :-P

Oh, I see. I can’t do anything with that today. Maybe you can see my incorrect interpretation of your post as evidence to the contrary. I am literally voting at people who are voting WCD. That is my MO, here. Hyper was a strong candidate due to having an IC on wagon. Looks like that was a failed wagon thanks to the claim. EFHW is my next favorite.

[hypercube]

If we lynch me, we've basically done all of scum's work for them since they can NK Space. Otherwise we'll most likely have lost all the people whose alignments we know tomorrow.

[hypercube]

@hyper, in the game(s) you've played before here, how relevant was breadcrumbing a tracker or other town night-time PR result?

It hasn't come up before; I was NKed as a PR early last game so it's been in my mind that that might happen again and I should prepare for it.

[pingpongsam]

If we lynch me, we've basically done all of scum's work for them since they can NK Space. Otherwise we'll most likely have lost all the people whose alignments we know tomorrow.

Towny thoughts but I don’t believe we can consider Space an IC from your claim. I mean it gives strong points but is not somehow a certainty.

[EFHW]

Letting hyper live today is ok with me, actually.

But then who? I don't like how WCD plays, but my scumread on her has been waning.

vote: Dylan?

[pingpongsam]

Letting hyper live today is ok with me, actually.

But then who? I don't like how WCD plays, but my scumread on her has been waning.

vote: Dylan?

I don’t know if we have enough people present to get a lynch on anyone not hyper or WCD which may mean all present are town since scum is done for the day? Does a lynch go through on the person with the most votes as opposed to surpassing threshold?

I am fine with a Dylan Lynch despite EFHW suggesting it.

[hypercube]

Letting hyper live today is ok with me, actually.

But then who? I don't like how WCD plays, but my scumread on her has been waning.

vote: Dylan?

I don’t know if we have enough people present to get a lynch on anyone not hyper or WCD which may mean all present are town since scum is done for the day? Does a lynch go through on the person with the most votes as opposed to surpassing threshold?

I am fine with a Dylan Lynch despite EFHW suggesting it.

I'm OK with Dylan as well. It is plurality but I'm not sure if we'd have the votes.

[hypercube]

Right now I think I'm at 5, WCD is at 3, Dylan is at 0

[WestCoastDidds]

I can vote Dylan

[pingpongsam]

Vote: Dylan

[SpaceAnemone]

Damn, okay. I'm the tracker.

If we're going to let the hyper wagon fall apart, at least lynch me instead. That gets us a D3 IC, plus e who I tracked the first night.

I think hyper's choice of naming me as his target was a little too convenient, so there's a decent chance they're rolecopped me and I'm dead tonight anyway.

[hypercube]

vote: Space

[pingpongsam]

What are your tracking results, Space?

[pingpongsam]

Is it better to IC space or kill the role cop right now?

[hypercube]

hmm, wait, this doesn't make sense. looks like I read my pm wrong and it was my flavour that was town. sorry guys!

vote: hypercube

[SpaceAnemone]

1. pingpongsam -- possible scum. Check back on his communications with Hyper, and see whether there's a little more familiarity there than beween hyper and other vets.
2. 2.71828..... -- targeted nobody N1, so I've been using that as evidence of towniness.
3. Dylan32 -- under the radar
4. DatSwan -- under the radar
5. Joseph2302 -- less likely to be scum now that we know hyper is. Always seems anti-town to me anyway.
6. infangthief -- less likely to be scum now that hyper is, *and* I expect hyper's scumbuddies to be vets.
7. faust -- dead town.
8. SpaceAnemone -- soon-to-be-dead town
9. Awaclus -- null
10. WestCoastDidds -- prob!town
11. EFHW -- prob!town
12. mcmcsalot -- I'm suspicious.
13. Robz888 -- dead-ish town.
14. hyper -- conf!scum

[pingpongsam]

Yeah, okay, either space is lying scum which seems super unlikely or space is the IC I already knew them to be. Going into tomorrow with space as IC and hyper damned as scum seems the better bet.

Vote: Space 

[pingpongsam]

Hyper just admitted to being scum.

[hypercube]

well, if you guys lynch space then i can use the thread tomorrow to give you updates about how my life is going. or i could post pretty pictures? pretty pictures seem pro-town