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[Joseph2302]

Vote: mcmc is my preferred option

L-2

PPE:1

This is actually L-1.

Oh. That is interesting. No-one dared to quickhammer it.
Which means either it's the right kill, or scum is too scared to expose themselves

[Dylan32]

Vote: mcmc is my preferred option

L-2

PPE:1

This is actually L-1.

Oh. That is interesting. No-one dared to quickhammer it.
Which means either it's the right kill, or scum is too scared to expose themselves

Could also mean that if mcmc is right, you are scummy for trying to set up a derphammer by going to L-1 again to avoid being the hammer. There's that option too in addition to the 2 you listed.

[Joseph2302]

Vote: mcmc is my preferred option

L-2

PPE:1

This is actually L-1.

Oh. That is interesting. No-one dared to quickhammer it.
Which means either it's the right kill, or scum is too scared to expose themselves

Could also mean that if mcmc is right, you are scummy for trying to set up a derphammer by going to L-1 again to avoid being the hammer. There's that option too in addition to the 2 you listed.

Not something I need to consider, because I'm town

[Swowl]

Vote: Awaclus

Why Joseph?

[EFHW]

Why Awaclus?

[EFHW]

And why not mcmc?

[Awaclus]

Which means either it's the right kill, or scum is too scared to expose themselves

Or the third option which you conveniently forgot to mention, which is that scum is already on the wagon.

Vote: Awaclus

Why Joseph?

Because he's scum.

[Swowl]

Which means either it's the right kill, or scum is too scared to expose themselves

Or the third option which you conveniently forgot to mention, which is that scum is already on the wagon.

Vote: Awaclus

Why Joseph?

Because he's scum.

... so is it Joseph or me?

[Swowl]

While I understand we need to look at more than VCA, I do have some thing to point out about Joseph regarding my dislike of their wagon:

Day 1) At the end of D1, both Fang and Hyper got on Joseph's wagon bringing him to (5). That is 2/5 skum on the wagon, when they could of made the (5) wagon either Robz or EFHW instead. They stayed there all the way down to Joseph(3), and then after the wagon dissipates, they move elsewhere. That is the exact opposite of a Skum Narrative of D1 voting actions, and matches up pretty clearly with a Narrative of 2 skum trying to push any good mis-lynch wagon.

Day 2) Since we know it is Skum!Fang and Skum!Hyper... think about the following from a Skum!Joseph POV. Towards the end of Day 2, Joseph switches their vote onto Hypercube to put them at L-1 when they just of easily could of voted for the WCD counter wagon. If Joseph is skum, then WCD is town... and we know Hyper was skum... so yeah that doesn't really make any damn sense.

Day 3) Joseph is on EFHW for the majority of the day until the end. He doesn't switch to Fang... which I actually read as towny because I assume skum would make sure to be on that bus.

Day 4) Joseph got on EFHW as #3, when they could of been on Awaclus as #2. Aside from that... with the suggested narrative from others on Day 4 regarding "EFHW being skum if Fang flips skum".... why in all the hell would he push an EFHW lynch? Like, literally, skum would want to push ANY other lynch at that point so they could set up EFHW the next day because they would know that Fang is gonna flip skum.


So yeah, I don't like our chances with Joseph.

@ EFHW - The above is why "not Joseph". As for why "not MCMC"... If I am picking between Joseph and MCMC I am going for MCMC. But my "reason" would be that skum at this point would want to create the most likely scenario for tomorrow to promote a mislynch. Right now that would be done by having two close competing wagons (both town) run out the end of the day so that the living player can be set up tomorrow. I also think that Skum!MCMC would pick both either Awaclus or myself as a counter wagon as opposed to Joseph at this point.

[Swowl]

Why Awaclus?

I have to step out, but I will give my answer to this later tonight.

[WestCoastDidds]

Hmm....I'm not seeing a good reason to move my vote at present, but I get that folks are having life right now and catching up as they can so I'll keep following along. I'm also going to try to reread D4 and 5 tomorrow, but I'd like to see Mcmc more fully flesh out his Joseph read, especially in light of Swan's comments.

[Awaclus]

... so is it Joseph or me?

Who am I voting for?

[WestCoastDidds]

Awa's question took me a second...so to save you the scroll

Vote count 5.Didds

Mcmc (3): EFHW, WCD, Joseph
Joseph (2): Mcmc, Awaclus
Awaclus(1): DatSwan
Not voting: Dylan

Take 4 to lynch. Day ends on Saturday at 7 AM.

[Swowl]

... so is it Joseph or me?

Who am I voting for?

Yeah i misread on this. Obviously, you have been stating Joseph

[EFHW]

@mcmc and Awaclus, what do you think of Datswan's not Joseph post?

[EFHW]

REPOSTING for ease of reference
Consolidated

WCD:
Day 1 -- v. EFHW at 160 (2nd), v. DatSwan at 256 (1st), v. EFHW at 304 (3rd), v. Robz at 432 (5th)
Day 2 -- 536 v. fang (2nd), 615 v. EFHW (4th) 636 unvote, 718 v. hyper (1st) until eod.
Day 3 -- Dylan at 949 (2nd) and fang at 972 (2nd).
Day 4 -- did not vote Day 4.

Joseph:
Day 1 -- 58 v. mcmc (1st), 129 v. hyper (1st), 405 v. Robz (3rd)
Day 2 -- v. EFHW and WCD for most of Day 2. 744 he moved to hyper (6th) and stayed there.
Day 3 -- EFHW at 850 (2nd)
Day 4 -- EFHW at 1134 (4th)

mcmc:
Day 1 -- 117 v. Dylan (1st), 301 v. EFHW (2nd), 467 v. Space (3rd), 471 v. EFHW (2nd)
Day 2 -- EFHW all day 2.
Day 3 -- EFHW at 845 (1st) and stayed there.
Day 4 -- Did not vote.

Dylan:
Day 1 -- 104 v. EFHW (1st) and stayed there for the rest of the day.
Day 2 -- stayed on fang for all of Day 2.
Day 3 -- voted EFHW at 906 (3rd) and fang at 980 (3rd).
Day 4 -- EFHW at 1133 (3rd)

DatSwan:
Day 1 -- 325 v. Awaclus (1st) and stayed there.
Day 2 -- fang at 552 (3rd), at 595 Joseph (1st ), 738 hyper (4th).
Day 3 -- EFHW at 953 (4th).
Day 4 -- EFHW at 1056 (2nd) and stayed

Awaclus:
Day 1 -- Did not vote.
Day 2 -- Dylan at 601 (2nd), WCD at 722 (4th). Didn't move again.
Day 3 -- fang at 893 (1st) and stayed.
Day 4 -- EFHW at 1126 (2nd)

Hyper and fang:

Day 1 -- Hyper and fang voted known town until 271 Hyper v. Joseph (2nd) 294 Hyper v. WCD (4th) 351 fang v. Joseph (2nd) 381 Hyper v. Joseph (4th) 465 Hyper v. space. 474 fang v. Robz (6th), 489 Hyper v. Joseph (2nd). They both were on pps from 204-271 and were both on Joseph from 381-465.
Day 2 -- Hyper v. Joseph 553 (1st); Hyper v. EFHW 576 (3rd); fang v. DatSwan 647 (1st), fang v. WCD 649 (1st); Hyper v. DatSwan 656 (2nd);  Both on WCD from 720-792.
Day 3 -- fang v. Awaclus at 933 (1st), then DatSwan at 1010 (1st)
Day 4 -- fang v. Awaclus at 1076 (1st), WCD at 1083 (1st), unvoted at 1122, and v. EFHW at 1141 (hammer)

[Awaclus]

@mcmc and Awaclus, what do you think of Datswan's not Joseph post?

It was long.

[EFHW]

Day 4) Joseph got on EFHW as #3, when they could of been on Awaclus as #2. Aside from that... with the suggested narrative from others on Day 4 regarding "EFHW being skum if Fang flips skum".... why in all the hell would he push an EFHW lynch? Like, literally, skum would want to push ANY other lynch at that point so they could set up EFHW the next day because they would know that Fang is gonna flip skum.

@ EFHW - The above is why "not Joseph". As for why "not MCMC"... If I am picking between Joseph and MCMC I am going for MCMC. But my "reason" would be that skum at this point would want to create the most likely scenario for tomorrow to promote a mislynch. Right now that would be done by having two close competing wagons (both town) run out the end of the day so that the living player can be set up tomorrow. I also think that Skum!MCMC would pick both either Awaclus or myself as a counter wagon as opposed to Joseph at this point.

So, point #4 matches mcmc's play on Day 4, where he backed off of me as his choice for lynch. He is using that as evidence of his towniness. What do you think?

I see what you mean about his choice of Joseph not matching a scum strategy. It doesn't really match a town strategy, either, as you have just pointed out.

[EFHW]

@mcmc and Awaclus, what do you think of Datswan's not Joseph post?

It was long.

Hm, yes it was that. Does that mean you didn't read it? It really puts a huge question mark on any votes for Joseph.

[Awaclus]

@mcmc and Awaclus, what do you think of Datswan's not Joseph post?

It was long.

Hm, yes it was that. Does that mean you didn't read it? It really puts a huge question mark on any votes for Joseph.

I read it when prompted, but there wasn't really anything interesting in it, which was to be expected since it was a long post.

[EFHW]

@mcmc and Awaclus, what do you think of Datswan's not Joseph post?

It was long.

Hm, yes it was that. Does that mean you didn't read it? It really puts a huge question mark on any votes for Joseph.

I read it when prompted, but there wasn't really anything interesting in it, which was to be expected since it was a long post.

There are multiple ways in which VCA contradicts the notion that Joseph is scum. How do you reconcile your vote with those contradictions?

[Awaclus]

There are multiple ways in which VCA contradicts the notion that Joseph is scum. How do you reconcile your vote with those contradictions?

I would rather say that there is one way in which the VCA is weak evidence against the notion that Joseph is scum.

[EFHW]

We're coming up on deadline now. I think mcmc is our best bet for finding scum. I'm not sure what it means that he has stayed at L-1 so long. It's plurality lynch, in any case, so maybe that's why. There is no other 3 person wagon.

@Dylan: It would great if you placed a vote somewhere.

[Dylan32]

We're coming up on deadline now. I think mcmc is our best bet for finding scum. I'm not sure what it means that he has stayed at L-1 so long. It's plurality lynch, in any case, so maybe that's why. There is no other 3 person wagon.

@Dylan: It would great if you placed a vote somewhere.

Part of why I haven't is cuz I'm leaning towards mcmc, but also didn't want to hammer before you got answers to some of your questions.

[EFHW]

We're coming up on deadline now. I think mcmc is our best bet for finding scum. I'm not sure what it means that he has stayed at L-1 so long. It's plurality lynch, in any case, so maybe that's why. There is no other 3 person wagon.

@Dylan: It would great if you placed a vote somewhere.

Makes sense.

Part of why I haven't is cuz I'm leaning towards mcmc, but also didn't want to hammer before you got answers to some of your questions.