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[Ethan]

People featured on Knights lives in 21st century.

[Jesster]

I’ve thought for a while that Potion would be a bit better if it came with +Buy. Makes the Potion more interesting if you wanted the Alchemy card but couldn’t trash the Potion, and also opens up the edge cases where even if you don’t care about the Alchemy card, you might be desperate enough for +Buy to purchase the Potion anyways.

Looking forward to Shadow cards. Maybe they shuffle face-up and play themselves automatically?

More debt is interesting. Wonder if they’ll expand in a new direction entirely or if they’ll be more vanilla-leaning.

I think a separate back, as with Stash, is more likely. It would be too easy to forget (or intentionally "forget") to put them face-up when shuffling. But I agree that it sounds like they play themselves automatically. So perhaps there's a special back, and when the top card is a Shadow card, and/or when you draw a Shadow card, it automatically plays itself? Cards that play themselves automatically could have some interesting strategic questions, as, depending on what they do, there might be times when you don't want to play them

I was thinking similar that they might just automatically go into play when drawn no matter how/when they are drawn.  If this were the case, you wouldn't need a special back to the card.  You wouldn't know when one was going to come out until you drew it.  I could see that as being described as "leaping out of your deck" ...and into play.

This would require players to both be honest, and to always notice a card as they draw it.

Yeah, and Dominion already has a long history of requiring verification for cards with special conditions, as with Shanty Town requiring you to reveal your hand, or Cutpurse having "or reveals a hand with no Copper". It would be weird at this point to have a whole new type of card being on the honor system so to speak

True, but if they were a special color to remind you to play them, and they were almost always cards you wanted to play I don't think the "honor system" would be an issue.  It would be more of a detriment to you if you didn't play them rather than your opponent.  I'm just really skeptical of the alternate back hypothesis, I got the impression from discussions about Stash that that wasn't something Donald wanted to do again.

If they were "almost always cards you wanted to play" then you wouldn't need a special type for them

What do you mean?  Special types rarely have anything to do with whether or not you want to play a card.  There are lots of cards that you would almost always want to play.  Special types are typically tied to special rules mechanics that only apply to that type of card.  In this case, the speculation is that the shadow type causes cards to be instantly played automatically as soon as they're drawn..

[GendoIkari]

I’ve thought for a while that Potion would be a bit better if it came with +Buy. Makes the Potion more interesting if you wanted the Alchemy card but couldn’t trash the Potion, and also opens up the edge cases where even if you don’t care about the Alchemy card, you might be desperate enough for +Buy to purchase the Potion anyways.

Looking forward to Shadow cards. Maybe they shuffle face-up and play themselves automatically?

More debt is interesting. Wonder if they’ll expand in a new direction entirely or if they’ll be more vanilla-leaning.

I think a separate back, as with Stash, is more likely. It would be too easy to forget (or intentionally "forget") to put them face-up when shuffling. But I agree that it sounds like they play themselves automatically. So perhaps there's a special back, and when the top card is a Shadow card, and/or when you draw a Shadow card, it automatically plays itself? Cards that play themselves automatically could have some interesting strategic questions, as, depending on what they do, there might be times when you don't want to play them

I was thinking similar that they might just automatically go into play when drawn no matter how/when they are drawn.  If this were the case, you wouldn't need a special back to the card.  You wouldn't know when one was going to come out until you drew it.  I could see that as being described as "leaping out of your deck" ...and into play.

This would require players to both be honest, and to always notice a card as they draw it.

Yeah, and Dominion already has a long history of requiring verification for cards with special conditions, as with Shanty Town requiring you to reveal your hand, or Cutpurse having "or reveals a hand with no Copper". It would be weird at this point to have a whole new type of card being on the honor system so to speak

True, but if they were a special color to remind you to play them, and they were almost always cards you wanted to play I don't think the "honor system" would be an issue.  It would be more of a detriment to you if you didn't play them rather than your opponent.  I'm just really skeptical of the alternate back hypothesis, I got the impression from discussions about Stash that that wasn't something Donald wanted to do again.

If they were "almost always cards you wanted to play" then you wouldn't need a special type for them

What do you mean?  Special types rarely have anything to do with whether or not you want to play a card.  There are lots of cards that you would almost always want to play.  Special types are typically tied to special rules mechanics that only apply to that type of card.  In this case, the speculation is that the shadow type causes cards to be instantly played automatically as soon as they're drawn..

He's just saying that there wouldn't be a reason to come up with a new type that forces you to play a card when you draw it, if it were a card you want to play every time you draw it anyway. Like, imagine if Market had a special type or extra rule that said "whenever you draw this card, you must play it immediately". The rule would have very little effect on game play, because you were going to play that Market anway. Thus, for Shadow cards to make sense as a new rule, it must be on cards you might not want to play (assuming that the rule/type forces you to play them).

[Holger]

I’ve thought for a while that Potion would be a bit better if it came with +Buy. Makes the Potion more interesting if you wanted the Alchemy card but couldn’t trash the Potion, and also opens up the edge cases where even if you don’t care about the Alchemy card, you might be desperate enough for +Buy to purchase the Potion anyways.

Looking forward to Shadow cards. Maybe they shuffle face-up and play themselves automatically?

More debt is interesting. Wonder if they’ll expand in a new direction entirely or if they’ll be more vanilla-leaning.

I think a separate back, as with Stash, is more likely. It would be too easy to forget (or intentionally "forget") to put them face-up when shuffling. But I agree that it sounds like they play themselves automatically. So perhaps there's a special back, and when the top card is a Shadow card, and/or when you draw a Shadow card, it automatically plays itself? Cards that play themselves automatically could have some interesting strategic questions, as, depending on what they do, there might be times when you don't want to play them

I was thinking similar that they might just automatically go into play when drawn no matter how/when they are drawn.  If this were the case, you wouldn't need a special back to the card.  You wouldn't know when one was going to come out until you drew it.  I could see that as being described as "leaping out of your deck" ...and into play.

This would require players to both be honest, and to always notice a card as they draw it.

Yeah, and Dominion already has a long history of requiring verification for cards with special conditions, as with Shanty Town requiring you to reveal your hand, or Cutpurse having "or reveals a hand with no Copper". It would be weird at this point to have a whole new type of card being on the honor system so to speak

True, but if they were a special color to remind you to play them, and they were almost always cards you wanted to play I don't think the "honor system" would be an issue.  It would be more of a detriment to you if you didn't play them rather than your opponent.  I'm just really skeptical of the alternate back hypothesis, I got the impression from discussions about Stash that that wasn't something Donald wanted to do again.

If they were "almost always cards you wanted to play" then you wouldn't need a special type for them

What do you mean?  Special types rarely have anything to do with whether or not you want to play a card.  There are lots of cards that you would almost always want to play.  Special types are typically tied to special rules mechanics that only apply to that type of card.  In this case, the speculation is that the shadow type causes cards to be instantly played automatically as soon as they're drawn..

He's just saying that there wouldn't be a reason to come up with a new type that forces you to play a card when you draw it, if it were a card you want to play every time you draw it anyway. Like, imagine if Market had a special type or extra rule that said "whenever you draw this card, you must play it immediately". The rule would have very little effect on game play, because you were going to play that Market anway. Thus, for Shadow cards to make sense as a new rule, it must be on cards you might not want to play (assuming that the rule/type forces you to play them).

You can't always play Market immediately whenever you draw it, only if it's your turn and you're in your Action phase. If Shadow cards can/must be played immediately when drawn (in whatever phase, whether it's your own turn or not), they do need a special type, even if they're always helpful.

[Imrahil3]

Card name predictions: Ninja (as above), Monk, Shrine, Samurai

I don't know how accurate these would be in medieval times.

Oh, and a Prophecy: Scout Is Great Again

Samurai are late 1100s-1800s, and Renaissance is ~14-1500s.
Ninjas enter the historical records in 1400s.
Dominion straddles a very wide range of dates. Empires themed to the Roman Empire is nearer to the birth of Christ, but, again, Renaissance is 15/16th century.
Ninjas and Samurai fit alright.

Heck, the Piratey cards of Plunder and Seaside point to the golden age of piracy, circa 1700, and Schwerin Cathedral, featured on Church, was finished in 1893.

Empires is a notable exception to Dominion’s time period, and the Schwerin Cathedral was literally a mistake. The artist finished the card art before anyone checked to see if the cathedral was actually medieval-era.

[Jesster]

I’ve thought for a while that Potion would be a bit better if it came with +Buy. Makes the Potion more interesting if you wanted the Alchemy card but couldn’t trash the Potion, and also opens up the edge cases where even if you don’t care about the Alchemy card, you might be desperate enough for +Buy to purchase the Potion anyways.

Looking forward to Shadow cards. Maybe they shuffle face-up and play themselves automatically?

More debt is interesting. Wonder if they’ll expand in a new direction entirely or if they’ll be more vanilla-leaning.

I think a separate back, as with Stash, is more likely. It would be too easy to forget (or intentionally "forget") to put them face-up when shuffling. But I agree that it sounds like they play themselves automatically. So perhaps there's a special back, and when the top card is a Shadow card, and/or when you draw a Shadow card, it automatically plays itself? Cards that play themselves automatically could have some interesting strategic questions, as, depending on what they do, there might be times when you don't want to play them

I was thinking similar that they might just automatically go into play when drawn no matter how/when they are drawn.  If this were the case, you wouldn't need a special back to the card.  You wouldn't know when one was going to come out until you drew it.  I could see that as being described as "leaping out of your deck" ...and into play.

This would require players to both be honest, and to always notice a card as they draw it.

Yeah, and Dominion already has a long history of requiring verification for cards with special conditions, as with Shanty Town requiring you to reveal your hand, or Cutpurse having "or reveals a hand with no Copper". It would be weird at this point to have a whole new type of card being on the honor system so to speak

True, but if they were a special color to remind you to play them, and they were almost always cards you wanted to play I don't think the "honor system" would be an issue.  It would be more of a detriment to you if you didn't play them rather than your opponent.  I'm just really skeptical of the alternate back hypothesis, I got the impression from discussions about Stash that that wasn't something Donald wanted to do again.

If they were "almost always cards you wanted to play" then you wouldn't need a special type for them

What do you mean?  Special types rarely have anything to do with whether or not you want to play a card.  There are lots of cards that you would almost always want to play.  Special types are typically tied to special rules mechanics that only apply to that type of card.  In this case, the speculation is that the shadow type causes cards to be instantly played automatically as soon as they're drawn..

He's just saying that there wouldn't be a reason to come up with a new type that forces you to play a card when you draw it, if it were a card you want to play every time you draw it anyway. Like, imagine if Market had a special type or extra rule that said "whenever you draw this card, you must play it immediately". The rule would have very little effect on game play, because you were going to play that Market anway. Thus, for Shadow cards to make sense as a new rule, it must be on cards you might not want to play (assuming that the rule/type forces you to play them).

You can't always play Market immediately whenever you draw it, only if it's your turn and you're in your Action phase. If Shadow cards can/must be played immediately when drawn (in whatever phase, whether it's your own turn or not), they do need a special type, even if they're always helpful.

Exactly.  The speculation is that shadow cards get played immediately when drawn regardless of which turn/phase they are drawn and don't require an action to play them.  In fact, if that's the case, then probably one of the most common situations would be to play them in your cleanup phase while drawing your hand for next turn.  I'd say that definitely warrants a special card type and probably a special card color.

[grrgrrgrr]

Another idea I have about the Shadow mechanic: couldn't it make the card trash itself if you don't play the card? Similar to the Ethereal mechanic from slay the spire? Though I'm not sure I'd be particularly thrilled if that was the case.

[D782802859]

Card name predictions: Ninja (as above), Monk, Shrine, Samurai

I don't know how accurate these would be in medieval times.

Oh, and a Prophecy: Scout Is Great Again

Samurai are late 1100s-1800s, and Renaissance is ~14-1500s.
Ninjas enter the historical records in 1400s.
Dominion straddles a very wide range of dates. Empires themed to the Roman Empire is nearer to the birth of Christ, but, again, Renaissance is 15/16th century.
Ninjas and Samurai fit alright.

Heck, the Piratey cards of Plunder and Seaside point to the golden age of piracy, circa 1700, and Schwerin Cathedral, featured on Church, was finished in 1893.

Empires is a notable exception to Dominion’s time period, and the Schwerin Cathedral was literally a mistake. The artist finished the card art before anyone checked to see if the cathedral was actually medieval-era.

Wasn't Church's art a deliberate anachronism so that it would be recognizable as the modern Schwerin Cathedral?

[faust]

Heck, the Piratey cards of Plunder and Seaside point to the golden age of piracy, circa 1700, and Schwerin Cathedral, featured on Church, was finished in 1893.

Not to mention that Captain depicts RTT, who probably wasn't even born until after World War 2!

[Holger]

Card name predictions: Ninja (as above), Monk, Shrine, Samurai

I don't know how accurate these would be in medieval times.

Oh, and a Prophecy: Scout Is Great Again

Samurai are late 1100s-1800s, and Renaissance is ~14-1500s.
Ninjas enter the historical records in 1400s.
Dominion straddles a very wide range of dates. Empires themed to the Roman Empire is nearer to the birth of Christ, but, again, Renaissance is 15/16th century.
Ninjas and Samurai fit alright.

Heck, the Piratey cards of Plunder and Seaside point to the golden age of piracy, circa 1700, and Schwerin Cathedral, featured on Church, was finished in 1893.

Empires is a notable exception to Dominion’s time period, and the Schwerin Cathedral was literally a mistake. The artist finished the card art before anyone checked to see if the cathedral was actually medieval-era.

Wasn't Church's art a deliberate anachronism so that it would be recognizable as the modern Schwerin Cathedral?

Yes, according to the wiki the card name and art were a "prize" in a German/Austrian Dominion competition, to commemorate the winning German state Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. The card is actually called "Schweriner Dom" in German.

[Imrahil3]

I’m 99% sure I read Donald described it as an “oops” moment from his perspective at some point.

Regardless of whether it was a mistake or a deliberate anachronism for the sake of promotion, it’s an exception that shouldn’t be taken as “Dominion’s time period extends to 1893.”

[Nukatha]

I’m 99% sure I read Donald described it as an “oops” moment from his perspective at some point.

Regardless of whether it was a mistake or a deliberate anachronism for the sake of promotion, it’s an exception that shouldn’t be taken as “Dominion’s time period extends to 1893.”

But it is fun to be mildly inciteful by using it as an example