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[shMerker]

I also love Acquire. It's fun and plays in a reasonable amount of time (usually about 45 minutes to an hour for me). Some people don't like the accounting aspect of it, though (calculating stock value all the time). That's much more of a concern than AP when deciding whether to pick it up and play. I would not categorize Acquire as one that has so many decisions it induces AP.

I've thought that maybe the game could be improved by replacing the stock value cards with tracks for each chain to keep track of stock value so that you can just look at the track, but I've been to lazy to actually try putting something together.

Also I am envious of people who have the 1999 edition with its tiles that lock in place and cool-looking skyscraper pawns that help make the board look like a big city while I'm stuck with the current edition which replaces all the plastic parts (even the tile racks!) with cardboard chits.

[Polk5440]

Also I am envious of people who have the 1999 edition with its tiles that lock in place and cool-looking skyscraper pawns that help make the board look like a big city while I'm stuck with the current edition which replaces all the plastic parts (even the tile racks!) with cardboard chits.

I second that!

[Archetype]

Also I am envious of people who have the 1999 edition with its tiles that lock in place and cool-looking skyscraper pawns that help make the board look like a big city while I'm stuck with the current edition which replaces all the plastic parts (even the tile racks!) with cardboard chits.

I second that!

third!

We threw away our cardboard stands  and use the nice wooden ones from Scrabble.
They work great!

[brokoli]

Another great strategic card game is Innovation.

(The iello version is much more beautiful than the original)

Glory to rome (same author) seems intersting too, but I haven't tried it.

[theory]

Glory to Rome is a ton of fun because everyone builds crazy overpowered combos, and the only thing that balances it is that everyone else is going for crazy combos too.

I didn't much like Innovation though.  It has the same feel of overpoweredness, but I felt dicked over a lot more than in GtR.

Incidentally, I hate the new GtR design.  It looks like any other boring JASE with zero inspiration or creativity.  The old wacky art was a great fit for the wacky gameplay.

[brokoli]

I didn't much like Innovation though.  It has the same feel of overpoweredness, but I felt dicked over a lot more than in GtR.

Innovation is a game you can't really like the first time. It's deconcerting and you'll be destroyed by an experienced opponent (just like dominion with KC goons and masq on the board ^^).
But after some games, you'll see the subtleties and the game will be more controllable.

[ConMan]

Innovation really isn't very strategic, except in some 2-player games. While I enjoy 4-player, it's certainly a lot more chaotic and possibly less interesting to "serious" gamers; I think 3 players is the "soft spot" where you really need your wits about you to maintain the right amount of control on the board. I would also recommend avoiding the expansion (Echoes of the Past) if you find the base game too chaotic, because it only makes it more so (and adds support for 5 players, which I haven't tried but which I can only assume works as well as it does in Dominion).

[Axxle]

The last game of Innovation I played I ramped from age 3 to age 8 in one turn using some kind of really high variance card.  It made me sad.

[DG]

I'm getting some good play from Innovation too at the moment. It's a game with some luck and wild changes so if that's not your thing then don't play it.

[popsofctown]

Hey, guys, has this been mentioned before? I'm to lazy to go read 6 pages, I have mafia for that, but does anyone here like Chess?

Go is better. 

[jotheonah]

Why does it seem like among Catan players, Traders and Barbarians gets no love? We broke out the old T&B today during our hurricane staycation and had a good playthrough of the Barbarian Attack! Scenario.  I think the scenarios are at least as fun as playing Seafarers and Cities and Kinghts all the time, but it seems like people ever get that one out at gaming meetups.

[Insomniac]

C&K is the only catan expansion I care for I've tried them all and played them all a fair bit but C&K is just soo good and the other ones I find super meh.

[Young Nick]

Then again, sometimes your play group's first game sees 7's galore, limited Ore and less than 50% success against the barbarians' attack. Try getting them to break out C&K after that nightmare.

I keep pleading, "No, it's fun, I swear." And they tell me that if we are no better off than how we started 90 minutes into a game, they won't play.

[shark_bait]

Then again, sometimes your play group's first game sees 7's galore, limited Ore and less than 50% success against the barbarians' attack. Try getting them to break out C&K after that nightmare.

I keep pleading, "No, it's fun, I swear." And they tell me that if we are no better off than how we started 90 minutes into a game, they won't play.

And then one of your friends gets his first double metrop, longest road steal, merchant steal turn for a 7-point turn and come from behind win. 

IMO, the strategic decisions in C&K are just so diverse that there are just so many options during the game.  Combined with the fact that I play most often with my cousins whom I have some of the deepest board game vendettas against (these are so huge that a 3rd party playing a game with us will usually win due to our intense hatred for each other in terms of gaming).  C&K provides the greatest outlet for me to target my aggression towards them and is why it is the most fun version of settlers.

[jotheonah]

Longest Road is so interesting - I've seldom won without it, but if you get into a serious fight for it, it's never worth it.

[Ozle]

quick quiz time?

Most points possible to win a game of Catan, base game only

[Ozle]

Longest Road is so interesting - I've seldom won without it, but if you get into a serious fight for it, it's never worth it.

I never get Longest road, i find Biggest Army is better. And I have a 9-1-0 win record in my group. (The 1 because a pretty girl played once and she basically got to trade for anything she liked off my friends!)

[jotheonah]

Whenever I go for Largest Army I end up drawing every freaking non-Knight dev card in the deck. Or at least it feels that way. And I guess 4 Cities + 5 Settlements + LR + LA = 17 possible Victory Points?

[Ozle]

Whenever I go for Largest Army I end up drawing every freaking non-Knight dev card in the deck. Or at least it feels that way. And I guess 4 Cities + 5 Settlements + LR + LA = 17 possible Victory Points?

Nope

[eHalcyon]

Whenever I go for Largest Army I end up drawing every freaking non-Knight dev card in the deck. Or at least it feels that way. And I guess 4 Cities + 5 Settlements + LR + LA = 17 possible Victory Points?

Don't forget vp Dev cards!

[Ozle]

Whenever I go for Largest Army I end up drawing every freaking non-Knight dev card in the deck. Or at least it feels that way. And I guess 4 Cities + 5 Settlements + LR + LA = 17 possible Victory Points?

Don't forget vp Dev cards!

There are 5 of those I believe.

[Insomniac]

But if you had any of them before you started your turn you already won no?

[Ozle]

But if you had any of them before you started your turn you already won no?

Correct.

You win when you get to 10 points, once you reach that its game over. (But the answer isnt 10)

[jotheonah]

So 22?

[Ozle]

So 22?

Nope, waaay off.

You would have won waaay before you get to 22, as you win once you go over 10