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[Holger]

I came up with a card im happier with.
I present: Appraiser

VERSION 4:

Appraiser
$4 Action

+2 Cards
Discard a card. Look through your discard pile; You may play a Treasure from it.
-
In games using this, Silver is also an Action that gives +2 Actions.

Edit notes:
Made appraiser cost $4 as its worse then lab. Made it able to play treasures in your discard pile, meaning its sorta like a smithy in card draw now. Thus removed the +2 Cards option on silver, cause playing a silver that way with appraiser without having to draw the silver is essentially a hunting grounds, which is nuts for $5, let alone $4. And thats not talking about the fact that you get money from the silver!!
Removing the +2 Cards option makes silver now a necropolis + silver. it simplifies the card and removes uninteresting decision points. And it made it so i can just remove the "If it's your action phase" part, saving a lot of space on Appraiser. which is needed when it allready has text on the top.

Hopefully silvers still feels like Silvers here. Im not a fan of removing the money part on silvers, it's part of its identity

Edit round 2:
Tightened up wording. Made it match charlatans text more. Removed the "play from hand" part, and now it is just playing from the discard pile, but you discard a card first.

FAQ:
If you discard a tunnel with Appraiser, you gain the gold first and is thus able to play it with appraiser.
If you also get conclave on the kingdom, you should just replace it with another card. sorry!!

IMO this version 4 is far too strong at $4:

Whenever you have a Silver in your discard, Appraiser can be played as a Grand Market (minus the buy) plus a Fugitive, that's $7+ territory.

When you have a Silver in hand instead, it's still effectively a Lab if you discard and play the Silver (since you save an Action by playing Silver with Appraiser).

And since Silver is very strong (close to Festival) in Appraiser games,  you will usually have several Silvers in your deck anyway.

[JW]

Bribe

Treasure - Duration - Attack
You may discard a Silver or a Gold. If you do, each other player gains a Curse. At the start of your next turn, +2 Cards.

Notes: It’s a Treasure so that you generally can’t inflict multiple curses with a single Silver or Gold.

[Melon]

48 hour warning
(a little late)

[J410]

Twin Village - Action +2 Actions You may discard two cards or a Silver for +2 Cards. When you gain this, gain a Twin Village (that doesn't come with another).

A card I once designed to have (or reference) as many 2's on a card as possible. Like Port, it's a stack of 12 cards. It's great if a sifting village is what you need, but it's handsize-negative unless you have Silver to discard.

[HorazVitae]

The more Silver you have, the more they are willing to do for you.

EDIT: had to edit a busted interaction with feodum.

[fika monster]

The more Silver you have, the more they are willing to do for you.
(I wan't able to get the card to downsize, so any tip on how to do that would be appreciated. First post here^^)

in the "Img" part, write "img width=350"
but with the [ ] instead of " "

[fika monster]

I came up with a card im happier with.
I present: Appraiser

VERSION 4:

IMO this version 4 is far too strong at $4:

Whenever you have a Silver in your discard, Appraiser can be played as a Grand Market (minus the buy) plus a Fugitive, that's $7+ territory.

When you have a Silver in hand instead, it's still effectively a Lab if you discard and play the Silver (since you save an Action by playing Silver with Appraiser).

And since Silver is very strong (close to Festival) in Appraiser games,  you will usually have several Silvers in your deck anyway.

I have thought about that: but im unsure how it is at £5 cost.
I could make it cost 5£, +3 cards, discard two. It would match forum then.

All draw is stronger with appraiser on the board, so im unsure about making that change

[HorazVitae]

The more Silver you have, the more they are willing to do for you.
(I wan't able to get the card to downsize, so any tip on how to do that would be appreciated. First post here^^)

in the "Img" part, write "img width=350"
but with the [ ] instead of " "

Tyvm^^

[Holger]

I came up with a card im happier with.
I present: Appraiser

VERSION 4:

Appraiser
$4 Action

+2 Cards
Discard a card. Look through your discard pile; You may play a Treasure from it.
-
In games using this, Silver is also an Action that gives +2 Actions.

Edit notes:
Made appraiser cost $4 as its worse then lab. Made it able to play treasures in your discard pile, meaning its sorta like a smithy in card draw now. Thus removed the +2 Cards option on silver, cause playing a silver that way with appraiser without having to draw the silver is essentially a hunting grounds, which is nuts for $5, let alone $4. And thats not talking about the fact that you get money from the silver!!
Removing the +2 Cards option makes silver now a necropolis + silver. it simplifies the card and removes uninteresting decision points. And it made it so i can just remove the "If it's your action phase" part, saving a lot of space on Appraiser. which is needed when it allready has text on the top.

Hopefully silvers still feels like Silvers here. Im not a fan of removing the money part on silvers, it's part of its identity

Edit round 2:
Tightened up wording. Made it match charlatans text more. Removed the "play from hand" part, and now it is just playing from the discard pile, but you discard a card first.

FAQ:
If you discard a tunnel with Appraiser, you gain the gold first and is thus able to play it with appraiser.
If you also get conclave on the kingdom, you should just replace it with another card. sorry!!

IMO this version 4 is far too strong at $4:

Whenever you have a Silver in your discard, Appraiser can be played as a Grand Market (minus the buy) plus a Fugitive, that's $7+ territory.

When you have a Silver in hand instead, it's still effectively a Lab if you discard and play the Silver (since you save an Action by playing Silver with Appraiser).

And since Silver is very strong (close to Festival) in Appraiser games,  you will usually have several Silvers in your deck anyway.

I have thought about that: but im unsure how it is at £5 cost.
I could make it cost 5£, +3 cards, discard two. It would match forum then.

All draw is stronger with appraiser on the board, so im unsure about making that change

I would just try it at $5 without another boost. Playing a card from the discard implicitly gives you an extra +1 card, so Appraiser is already much stronger than Forum whenever you have a Silver in the discard pile.

[HorazVitae]

Had to edit my Outlaw, because of Feodum^^

[silverspawn]

Appraiser at $5 is still pushing it in terms of powerlevel

[RovingBear]

Pawnshop
Cost: 4
Action

+1 action
You may:
Discard a Copper to gain a Silver.
Discard a Silver for +2 Cards.
Discard a Gold to gain a Gold or a card to your hand costing up to 5.

Workshop variant- and yea you can do all of them but or some but only by order.

Ill try to get in a mockup in time

[segura]

[anordinaryman]

Updated entry

Hot Springs | Action | $3
+1 Card
+1 Action
You may play a Treasure from your Hand.
-
In games using this, if you have a Hot Springs in play when you play a Silver, +1 Card and then you may top-deck a card from hand.

Updated the wording to prevent stacking. I also made it slightly stronger in that the very first Hot Springs can trigger the Silver bonus. It just seemed too awkward to say "more than one" as in "In games using this, if you have more than one Hot Springs in play..." Also the "lab" potential isn't crazy strong, given you always need Silvers to pair with it, and the more Silvers you get, the more they can cloud up your deck.

So here is my design. It's not supposed to be a dominating strategy, but it should almost always be nice to pick up, and gives you a lot more reason to buy Silver, which is nice. It has fun niche strategies like trying to make it a draw engine, or using it for draw-to-x, slightly improving some treasures by playing them in your Action phase, or using it to set up future turns with the top-decking.

[segura]

I think that a wording like with Merchant would be more compact "The first time you play a Silver this turn, +1 Card, then you may put a card from your hand onto your deck." and it would also have the effect that the card works more naturally with Throne Rooms (it becomes throneable) and Ways (the Way ignores the Silver effect as there is no below-line stuff anymore).

[anordinaryman]

I think that a wording like with Merchant would be more compact "The first time you play a Silver this turn, +1 Card, then you may put a card from your hand onto your deck." and it would also have the effect that the card works more naturally with Throne Rooms (it becomes throneable) and Ways (the Way ignores the Silver effect as there is no below-line stuff anymore).

That functionally changes it such that with three Hot Springs and 1 silver, you get to draw 3 cards when you play a silver. The current wording requires 1 hot spring and 3 silvers to draw 3 which is better balanced since silver is a stop card. Also, your suggested wording would render the “play a treasure” less useful since only your first silver play does anything.

I appreciate the simpler wording, but I think it would make the card not designed as well. Thanks for your thoughts.

[Melon]

24 hour warning

[segura]

I think that a wording like with Merchant would be more compact "The first time you play a Silver this turn, +1 Card, then you may put a card from your hand onto your deck." and it would also have the effect that the card works more naturally with Throne Rooms (it becomes throneable) and Ways (the Way ignores the Silver effect as there is no below-line stuff anymore).

That functionally changes it such that with three Hot Springs and 1 silver, you get to draw 3 cards when you play a silver. The current wording requires 1 hot spring and 3 silvers to draw 3 which is better balanced since silver is a stop card. Also, your suggested wording would render the “play a treasure” less useful since only your first silver play does anything.

I appreciate the simpler wording, but I think it would make the card not designed as well. Thanks for your thoughts.

Yeah, you are right.

[Tiago]

I think that a wording like with Merchant would be more compact "The first time you play a Silver this turn, +1 Card, then you may put a card from your hand onto your deck." and it would also have the effect that the card works more naturally with Throne Rooms (it becomes throneable) and Ways (the Way ignores the Silver effect as there is no below-line stuff anymore).

That functionally changes it such that with three Hot Springs and 1 silver, you get to draw 3 cards when you play a silver. The current wording requires 1 hot spring and 3 silvers to draw 3 which is better balanced since silver is a stop card. Also, your suggested wording would render the “play a treasure” less useful since only your first silver play does anything.

I appreciate the simpler wording, but I think it would make the card not designed as well. Thanks for your thoughts.

Yeah, you are right.

What about:
Hot Springs
+1 Card
+1 Action
You may play a Silver from your hand, for +1 Card.

I don't think this would be too strong. It doesn't actually increase your handsize. If it is you can make it cost $4. It also removes the awkwardness of drawing in your Buy phase.

[fika monster]

Have i been posting too much here or adding way too many notes on my thought process on my card?

[MiX]

Tentacles $3 - Action

+$1

Reveal the top 3 cards of your deck, you may add a revealed card to your hand. Put the others back in any order. If it costs $3, +1 Action.

[silverspawn]

Have i been posting too much here or adding way too many notes on my thought process on my card?

nah there is no such thing as too much engagement in this forum. WDC threads used to go to page 2 regularly

(if anyone is like "but they're still going to page 2 wtf?" then you haven't yet figured out that you can set posts/page to 50!)

[silverspawn]

Mockups:



(This was slightly edited shortly after submission closed bc I realized the "silver produces $1 less" doesn't do anything since you can just play silver first. Feel Free to disqualify it because of that. Don't bother judging the older version.)

[Melon]

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