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[WestCoastDidds]

It makes some sense with the lore. If his soul got swapped, for example, then someone else could potentially control his vote. That would be a scum ability if they are the Men of the Machine.

[EFHW]

It makes some sense with the lore. If his soul got swapped, for example, then someone else could potentially control his vote. That would be a scum ability if they are the Men of the Machine.

But why the delay?

[EFHW]

It makes some sense with the lore. If his soul got swapped, for example, then someone else could potentially control his vote. That would be a scum ability if they are the Men of the Machine.

But why the delay?

Or Morgrim's self voting could be a separate mechanic from Morgrim can't vote for silver.

[EFHW]

I missed the bit about silver claiming a kind of voting mechanic. What did he say?

[Galzria]

I don’t think there is a point in building a case against silver here because pretty much everyone thinks he’s scum. I was going to, but I’m on my phone and don’t feel like getting out of bed to grab my laptop. Just reread him, the case builds itself.

And I don’t think we can afford to not lynch scum today even if he is an SK who could potentially hit the mafia.

Based on flavor, I would be inclined to think that there is an SK in this game. Iguana seems like a pretty reasonable kill for the mafia, and there were a lot of people scum reading ashes so he’s a pretty good target for an SK (or a vig I guess).

Pretty sure WCD is town.

Also morgrim didn’t you claim det zimm?
Any results we could use to jumpstart this?

no

I am universe aligned, I have 2 votes, and there is literally no case.

You (gkrieg and such) certainly managed to make me feel incredibly annoyed / feel like I'm talking to Awaclus, but you haven't exactly been able to make me feel like it's a lynch is inevitable.

Which, btw, is a really scummy move on your part. Trying to frame the lynch as inevitable, that is, especially since it's not.

[Galzria]

Which could be his & Morgrim's.

[WestCoastDidds]

It makes some sense with the lore. If his soul got swapped, for example, then someone else could potentially control his vote. That would be a scum ability if they are the Men of the Machine.

But why the delay?

Would scum have to tell LL how Morgrims vote should be assigned? If so, then it’s just delayed by however long it takes LL  to receive and post.

Silver says he has two votes, but is that different than controlling someone else’s vote? It seems like it would be. If Morgrim is being controlled, the question is by whom??

[Swowl]

the delay is a little weird. Morgrim votes silver, there is a vote count that Galz points out with morgrim not on silver, then after the second bring up by Galz- LL responds with the new VC.

The timing on the vote change is just crazy. Makes me think it had to be happenstance (i.e. silver claims double vote or whatever, then sends message with the morgrim vote, then Galz asks for VC and it is updated).


I want to say this makes silver towny? I don’t see why they would take a line like this as skum at this point.

[Hydrad]

Morgrims vote not working is very interesting.

Just posting to say hi. Will post more tomorrow

[silverspawn]

I had two votes on me, not 2 votes as in I can vote twice.

[silverspawn]

And I do not have a power to redirect someone else's vote, either.

[EFHW]

Which could be his & Morgrim's.

I think he meant 2 people were voting for him.

[EFHW]

Morgrims vote not working is very interesting.

Just posting to say hi. Will post more tomorrow

Presumably he knows why and could just tell us.

[EFHW]

He=Morgrim

[EFHW]

Lalight, should Morgrim's self vote have been part of vc 2.2? Was there a mod error?

[EFHW]

Also vc 2.1

[LaLight]

Lalight, should Morgrim's self vote have been part of vc 2.2? Was there a mod error?

As far as I have been told, your mod is an awesome guy who haven’t made any mistakes in this game so far.

[WestCoastDidds]

I had two votes on me, not 2 votes as in I can vote twice.

Makes way more sense!

So, someone is controlling Morgrim’s vote, then...

[chairs]

Very interesting.

[chairs]

Morgrim7 reread (line numbers indicate "reply #"):

53: votes ashersky, RVS.
56: replies to my RVS vote for him <3.
96: is in favor of the "If I was Bart" plan.
109: reiterates support of "If I was Bart" plan, votes all of us for arguing about it.
171: In favor of ash's first plan, claims to be Detective Zimmerfield, votes "everyone".
180: Unvotes.
200: Townreads Awaclus. Discusses whether Ash is calling igig's plan or Ash's first plan "clearly scum-helping" and ruminates on what ash is suggesting here. votes silverspawn.
202: Gets surprised by silver's reaction to him calling Awaclus a good kid.
230: naked vote for WCD.
237: Replies to WCD self-defense with "That's fair", also D1 pass for le newbs. votes silverspawn.
293: unvotes, suggests silverspawn case is weak while still saying he is minorly scummy.
296: Reiterates his question from 200 re: what ash was trying to say, waits for ash's response.
307: naked vote for chairs.
311: HEY CHAIRS SAY SOMETHING
314: only 24h to D1 end, lynching silver, chairs, or galzria.
319: agrees with me that ash feels scummy at this point.
324: points out silverspawn currently getting lynched if nobody changes votes.
328: suggests WCD does a reread on him as part of WCD not being contribution-heavy D1.
331: WCD turns him down for targetted reread because "too many long confusing posts".... really not true at this point btw.
358: would rather lynch silverspawn/chairs than hydrad. Could also lynch gkrieg/awaclus. Was surprised at the idea of fakeclaims for scum.
397: naked vote for awaclus.
D1 ENDS
480: votes silver.
484: suggests everyone should lynch silverspawn. Also suggests WCD is town. States even if we have a SK we need to lynch scum whether it's SK or Mafia.

I was hoping to gain some insight into why someone might opt to control Morgrim's vote, but nothing here stands out to me. Maybe WCD I guess? It does feel like he's pretty firm on silver throughout as being "minor scum".

[silverspawn]

Morgrim's vote being controlled by another player is not the only possible hypothesis. Here are two others

– His vote is cast randomly
– He votes in his QT and self-voted to confuse town

[chairs]

Ashersky reread (numbers are "reply #"):

121: First post. Says iguana is Bart.
122: "Also, I have a plan."
146: limited availability lately. D1 passes: Morgrim, Galz, EFHW, newbies. votes iguana (not RVS).
147: Bemoans SA never being on the same page as them. Agrees stalling is unnecessary, but says it's not scummy necessarily.
148: Presents plans. Plan 1 - Mass Claim Flavor. Plan 2 - Familiar with flavor? List possible characters/alignments based on LL knowledge. Guess possible Mafia roles.
151: Igu is SKhunting, so is scummy.
153: Believes stalling is not alignment indicative.
156: Counts up pro/neutral/against notes to plans from earlier (awa is neutral on 1, anti 2, sa is pro 2 anti 1, ss is pro 2 anti 1).
175: Says DatSwan has Townslipped here.
184: Requests update on gkrieg meta.
187: Says gkrieg feels quiet.
188: Townreads Hydrad for D1. Alignment tells based on plan responses.
196: explains datswan townslip.
276: apologizes for being behind.
294: says posts between 196 and 276 weren't super important. wants to sheep Morg, townreads galz a bit.
306: states surprise on flavorclaim being as supported. His plans were laid out to have people discussing plans. Feels towny on Morg, less towny on Awaclus.
396: Awaclus is helpful, too helpful for Awaclus, and thus is scum.
416: Intent to hammer Awaclus.
D1 END

PPE: 1

[chairs]

Morgrim's vote being controlled by another player is not the only possible hypothesis. Here are two others

– His vote is cast randomly
– He votes in his QT and self-voted to confuse town

I would be annoyed at random votes being part of my role. Voting only in my QT would be weird but an interesting concept. I like that you're bringing these alternatives up, as I hadn't even considered them. townpoints.

[chairs]

I've got to do other things today but I'll try to knock out another couple of rereads like this later.

[EFHW]

Why did you do ashersky? He's dead!