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RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« on: August 28, 2018, 09:33:02 am »

Welcome to RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency Mafia

This game will use closed setup for 14 players, invented by LaLight with the help of faust, and is classified as Role Madness Game.

Players:

1. Galzria
2. SpaceAnemone
3. gkrieg13 Killed N3, Hugo Friedkin, Universe-aligned Dumb Military Unit
4. EFHW
5. DatSwan
6. silverspawn Killed N2, Amanda Brotzman, Universe-aligned Sick Girl
7. iguanaiguana Killed N1, Lydia Spring, Universe-aligned Missing Girl
8. Hydrad
9. Morgrim7
10. chairs Killed N3, Joseph Weedle, REDACTED FBI Agent and a Traitor
11. 2.71828..... Killed N2, Todd Brotzman, Universe-aligned Holistic Assistant
12. WestCoastDidds Lynched D2, Ken Adams, Self-aligned Electrician
13. ashersky Killed N1, Martin, Rowdy3 Boss
14. Awaclus Lynched D1, Universe-Aligned Time Traveller.

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The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.

The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.


The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable, or any string that uniquely identifies a user. Note that the point of voting is, in fact, unambiguity, and attempting to make it unclear to other players (or, of course, mods) which user you are voting for is very ill-advised.
2. Unvotes should be in this format:
unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may
vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. If a majority lynch is not reached by the Day's deadline, no lynch occurs.

The Rest:
1. Bold, purple 'AA00AA' text is reserved for the mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.
8. Each player will receive their own QT, regardless of role. Don't quote from it.
9. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without a lynch or nightkill, town wins.

Deadlines:
1. Days will last seven IRL days.
2. Nights will last two IRL days.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2018, 12:01:59 pm by LaLight »
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Signups are open!)
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2018, 09:33:10 am »

This game is based on Netflix series Dirk Gently's Detective Holistic Agency. The knowledge of flavor is unnecessary, but will improve your game experience. The town faction in this game is known as Universe Aligned. The flavor names have direct influence on some powers. The flavor names listed in role QTs are not guaranteed to exist in the game.

Flips will be handled this way: I will post a full role card of a player except any spoilers it might have. Any player can at any moment ask me in their private QT to show how their flip will look like.

People who die, won't get the speccy until something happens.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2018, 09:48:50 am by LaLight »
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Signups are open!)
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2018, 10:54:46 am »

/in
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Signups are open!)
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2018, 11:49:08 am »

/in

I feel some Netflix watching coming up... :-P
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Signups are open!)
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2018, 11:55:51 am »

/in

I feel some Netflix watching coming up... :-P

Surely if you don’t want to hit some spoilers :)
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Signups are open!)
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2018, 01:33:59 pm »

/in

I feel some Netflix watching coming up... :-P

Surely if you don’t want to hit some spoilers :)
Flavor only encompasses season 1 though, as far as I could tell.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Signups are open!)
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2018, 01:36:02 pm »

/in

I feel some Netflix watching coming up... :-P

Surely if you don’t want to hit some spoilers :)
Flavor only encompasses season 1 though, as far as I could tell.

True.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Signups are open!)
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2018, 07:31:41 pm »

/in

I feel some Netflix watching coming up... :-P

Surely if you don’t want to hit some spoilers :)

One episode down, seven to go!
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Signups are open!)
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2018, 07:48:58 pm »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Signups are open!)
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2018, 08:22:19 pm »

/in

I feel some Netflix watching coming up... :-P

Surely if you don’t want to hit some spoilers :)

One episode down, seven to go!
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Signups are open!)
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2018, 03:13:49 pm »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (10 spots left!)
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2018, 03:35:17 pm »

yay only 10 spots left!
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (10 spots left!)
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2018, 04:21:42 pm »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (10 spots left!)
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2018, 06:10:42 pm »

/in

I feel some Netflix watching coming up... :-P

Surely if you don’t want to hit some spoilers :)

One episode down, seven to go!

I thought season 2 was a lot better than season 1, so don't quit after the first.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (10 spots left!)
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2018, 06:42:57 pm »

/in

I feel some Netflix watching coming up... :-P

Surely if you don’t want to hit some spoilers :)

One episode down, seven to go!

I thought season 2 was a lot better than season 1, so don't quit after the first.

Seriously?! Despite an awesome ending and good premise, season 2 was boring imo and actor’s play (especially Farah’s) got a lot worse. Still I think ot’s a must watch of course
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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2018, 06:43:17 pm »

/in

I feel some Netflix watching coming up... :-P

Surely if you don’t want to hit some spoilers :)

One episode down, seven to go!

I thought season 2 was a lot better than season 1, so don't quit after the first.

Also is it an /in? :)
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (10 spots left!)
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2018, 03:15:37 am »

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« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2018, 03:34:20 am »

We probably like season 2 equally but you like season 1 a lot more. I thought it was worth watching, but just barely.

and it wasn't, but sure, /in.

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« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2018, 04:11:44 am »

We probably like season 2 equally but you like season 1 a lot more. I thought it was worth watching, but just barely.

and it wasn't, but sure, /in.

Yay!
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« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2018, 11:10:53 pm »

F/inished season one
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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2018, 12:15:07 am »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (6 spots left!)
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2018, 09:50:42 pm »

I watched all of Dirk Gently, thinking it was this, just to find out that I was watching the "wrong" thing. I've now watched 4 episodes of DGHDA and find that I enjoy the former much more than the latter.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2018, 06:45:11 am »

I watched all of Dirk Gently, thinking it was this, just to find out that I was watching the "wrong" thing. I've now watched 4 episodes of DGHDA and find that I enjoy the former much more than the latter.

I warmed to it somewhere around episode 3 or 4.. I didn't really think that much of the first few episodes, kind of because none of the characters is all that likable and it massively failed the Bechdel test to begin with in a very seventies-feeling way. It got more gripping and less faily, though. I'm now somewhere in the middle of S2, and holding my judgement about how much I like it because I want to see how elegantly it resolves all its threads first...
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« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2018, 06:48:25 am »

Rewatching S2 now I remembered what I liked best about it. ALAN TUDYK! I started watching S2 the first time RIGHT AFTER watching Firefly and god I loved to see him on screen!
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« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2018, 06:56:58 am »

I had a dream of Ashersky coming back and signing up...
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« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2018, 08:49:05 am »

I had a dream of Ashersky coming back and signing up...

I feel you

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (6 spots left!)
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2018, 05:44:06 pm »

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Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
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« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2018, 05:46:42 pm »

I had a dream of Ashersky coming back and signing up...

/in

This is even more outlandish!
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (6 spots left!)
« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2018, 05:47:47 pm »

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« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2018, 05:49:31 pm »

/in

How have you been?

Hey, I remember you.

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« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2018, 07:31:36 pm »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (6 spots left!)
« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2018, 01:25:46 pm »

I had a dream of Ashersky coming back and signing up...

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This is even more outlandish!

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« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2018, 01:49:25 pm »

PM ash and ask him to join
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« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2018, 01:53:28 pm »

PM ash and ask him to join

He wasn't on site till 27th of July... Also I pmed him once I believe, got no answer
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Signups are open!)
« Reply #38 on: September 05, 2018, 06:22:39 am »

Note: the additional information about the setup.

Flips will be handled this way: I will post a full role card of a player except any spoilers it might have. Any player can at any moment ask me in their private QT to show how their flip will look like.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (3 spots left!)
« Reply #39 on: September 05, 2018, 06:22:53 am »

also 3 more people!
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« Reply #40 on: September 06, 2018, 10:48:43 am »


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« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2018, 12:54:51 pm »

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« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2018, 12:55:34 pm »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (1 spot left!)
« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2018, 12:59:17 pm »

This game is going to be great.
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« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2018, 01:02:03 pm »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Full! Pms coming soon!)
« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2018, 01:05:51 pm »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N0)
« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2018, 01:27:55 pm »

N0 starts now and ends in 48 hours, at 1:30 pm September 09.
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« Reply #48 on: September 09, 2018, 01:58:14 pm »

I didn't get one confirmation. The game will start either when I get it, or when I get a replacement +12 hours. Sorry for the delay.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Signups are open!)
« Reply #49 on: September 10, 2018, 09:50:12 am »

2.71828..... replaces Cuzz, effective immediately. The game will start in 20 hours (As I will be sleeping). Also note the changes to the setup:

People who die, won't get the speccy until something happens.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N0)
« Reply #50 on: September 11, 2018, 06:52:43 am »

"Todd! Wake up! I feel like there is a new case!"

"Dirk, we spent eight hours yesterday tracking a cat. A CAT, DIRK! It was nothing special about the cat!"

"It stole my slice of pizza! We should've found it! Nevertheless, Todd, I feel like something is going to happen. We need to go for a walk."

Day 1 starts now!

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Not voting (14): Galzria, SpaceAnemone, gkrieg13, EFHW, DatSwan, silverspawn, iguanaiguana, Hydrad, Morgrim7, chairs, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds, ashersky, Awaclus

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N0)
« Reply #51 on: September 11, 2018, 06:56:25 am »

Vote: silverspawn

Finally a game where I can do this and it will count.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #52 on: September 11, 2018, 07:43:40 am »

vote: Ashersky

in before he advocates mass claim
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #53 on: September 11, 2018, 07:45:47 am »

Well hello hello HELLO dominion strategy forum!!! Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, step right up! Hold on tight, and don’t look back! Behind these curtains is your most earnest wish, or your brightest dream, or your coldest nightmare! From the days of isotropic, from the days of alchemy, From the very annals of dominion strategy forum history comes the man, the myth, the scourge of all things generally considered reasonable in forum mafia…


…Ashersky!


Thus, I agree with e ~ VOTE: ASHES


also welcome back but because I was gone for longer than you I think I win the boat.

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« Reply #54 on: September 11, 2018, 07:46:12 am »

and Morgrim!  The only thing I can ever think about when I play with Morgrim is apples.  I think that was from some bastard game a long time ago?  Maybe it was just a regular game.
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« Reply #55 on: September 11, 2018, 09:08:59 am »

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« Reply #56 on: September 11, 2018, 09:12:36 am »

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« Reply #57 on: September 11, 2018, 09:13:08 am »

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« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2018, 09:20:30 am »

Do I count as a new face? That's, well, new.

I think your case on ashersky is super solid. I dare say you almost certainly caught lying scum. I don't think I will vote for anyone else today.

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« Reply #59 on: September 11, 2018, 09:25:47 am »


Hi! Hi!

I'm a new kid. From Texas (so not West Coast so much anymore, but what can you do when you create your username long, long ago?) and a she.  You'll find me bouncy and enthusiastic, much like Tigger from the Hundred Acre Wood. I am looking forward to playing with the legendary folks!
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« Reply #60 on: September 11, 2018, 09:48:43 am »

Vote count 1.1

silverspawn (2): Awaclus, EFHW
ashersky (2): 2.71828....., Morgrim7
Morgrim7 (1): chairs
2.71828..... (1) silverspawn
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« Reply #61 on: September 11, 2018, 09:56:01 am »


Hi! Hi!

I'm a new kid. From Texas (so not West Coast so much anymore, but what can you do when you create your username long, long ago?) and a she.  You'll find me bouncy and enthusiastic, much like Tigger from the Hundred Acre Wood. I am looking forward to playing with the legendary folks!

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« Reply #62 on: September 11, 2018, 10:41:30 am »

vote: WestCoastDidds although tigger was my favorite growing up
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« Reply #63 on: September 11, 2018, 10:51:42 am »

Well, I have a plan. Of arguable efficiency! Obviously therefore we should spend the next 20 pages discussing it. Failure to do so would mean we'd have to start scumhunting instead, and everyone knows we don't scumhunt D1 on f.ds.
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« Reply #64 on: September 11, 2018, 10:52:44 am »


Hi! Hi!

I'm a new kid. From Texas (so not West Coast so much anymore, but what can you do when you create your username long, long ago?) and a she.  You'll find me bouncy and enthusiastic, much like Tigger from the Hundred Acre Wood. I am looking forward to playing with the legendary folks!

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I'm super new to mafia. I have never played IRL, but I played NM12 and am currently playing NM13 with the other newbies. We've got some good folks in those game, I think. It's been fun. Iguana has been my coach for NM13 which has been helpful because there are so many freaking acronyms and habits of mind. But I am coming along!
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« Reply #65 on: September 11, 2018, 10:54:16 am »


Hi! Hi!

I'm a new kid. From Texas (so not West Coast so much anymore, but what can you do when you create your username long, long ago?) and a she.  You'll find me bouncy and enthusiastic, much like Tigger from the Hundred Acre Wood. I am looking forward to playing with the legendary folks!

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I'm super new to mafia. I have never played IRL, but I played NM12 and am currently playing NM13 with the other newbies. We've got some good folks in those game, I think. It's been fun. Iguana has been my coach for NM13 which has been helpful because there are so many freaking acronyms and habits of mind. But I am coming along!

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« Reply #66 on: September 11, 2018, 10:57:16 am »

Yup, Lalight is a ruthless modkiller. Everybody be careful.
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« Reply #67 on: September 11, 2018, 11:02:03 am »

Anyway, my plan involves HYPO-CLAIMING and is based around a weird inference I made from my knowledge of the flavor.

Anyone interested?
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« Reply #68 on: September 11, 2018, 11:05:23 am »

Anyway, my plan involves HYPO-CLAIMING and is based around a weird inference I made from my knowledge of the flavor.

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No

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« Reply #69 on: September 11, 2018, 11:14:25 am »

Anyway, my plan involves HYPO-CLAIMING and is based around a weird inference I made from my knowledge of the flavor.

Anyone interested?

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The correct answer would have been "I don't know."

Anyway, my plan involves HYPO-CLAIMING and is based around a weird inference I made from my knowledge of the flavor.

Anyone interested?
Yes.

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« Reply #70 on: September 11, 2018, 11:22:56 am »

Anyway, my plan involves HYPO-CLAIMING and is based around a weird inference I made from my knowledge of the flavor.

Anyone interested?

No, but go for it
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« Reply #71 on: September 11, 2018, 11:49:03 am »

Where is Awaclus when you need him?!?

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« Reply #72 on: September 11, 2018, 12:05:50 pm »

I am here!

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« Reply #73 on: September 11, 2018, 12:06:39 pm »

I am excited to play this game. watch as this is the one game I die day1.

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« Reply #74 on: September 11, 2018, 12:08:23 pm »

Anyway, my plan involves HYPO-CLAIMING and is based around a weird inference I made from my knowledge of the flavor.

Anyone interested?

you know I'm always up for a weird claim.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #75 on: September 11, 2018, 12:29:43 pm »

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« Reply #76 on: September 11, 2018, 12:41:35 pm »

This is boring. Vote: LaLight for openly threatening a newbie. Super scummy.

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« Reply #77 on: September 11, 2018, 12:51:15 pm »

Anyway, my plan involves HYPO-CLAIMING and is based around a weird inference I made from my knowledge of the flavor.

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I'm interested.
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« Reply #78 on: September 11, 2018, 12:54:07 pm »

Anyway, my plan involves HYPO-CLAIMING and is based around a weird inference I made from my knowledge of the flavor.

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Only if we get to time travel
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« Reply #79 on: September 11, 2018, 12:57:39 pm »

And hydrad earns D1 pass privileges

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« Reply #80 on: September 11, 2018, 12:59:18 pm »

Anyway, my plan involves HYPO-CLAIMING and is based around a weird inference I made from my knowledge of the flavor.

Anyone interested?

Only if we get to time travel
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #81 on: September 11, 2018, 03:12:35 pm »

Checking in! Hey everyone!

Iguana - you wanna like elaborate on the plan?

Is hypo claiming the theoretical targeting one?
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« Reply #82 on: September 11, 2018, 03:30:18 pm »

Vote count 1.1

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« Reply #83 on: September 11, 2018, 03:51:50 pm »

Vote count 1.1

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N0)
« Reply #84 on: September 11, 2018, 04:02:59 pm »

Vote count 1.1

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« Reply #85 on: September 11, 2018, 04:49:27 pm »

Hi all!

Vote: morgrim for being such a fossil that I've never played with him before.

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« Reply #86 on: September 11, 2018, 04:50:25 pm »

Sad we don't have Mcmc or Robz in this one, because I want to know whether Dirk looks as much like Robz in person as I think he does from seeing Robz's photo posted around here somewhere :-P
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #87 on: September 11, 2018, 04:52:33 pm »

Anyway, my plan involves HYPO-CLAIMING and is based around a weird inference I made from my knowledge of the flavor.

Anyone interested?

Just to be clear, you're using only knowledge of the series, and not extra stuff from your QT, right? So all statements should be verifiable, and you don't get to do vague role-fishing without saying why?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #88 on: September 11, 2018, 05:20:55 pm »

Checking in! Hey everyone!

Iguana - you wanna like elaborate on the plan?

Is hypo claiming the theoretical targeting one?

If only I could do it in five minutes, I would.

Maybe I can do it on my phone while I sit in an oil change place waiting. If I don't, assume I was chatting my wife.

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« Reply #89 on: September 11, 2018, 05:21:59 pm »

Sad we don't have Mcmc or Robz in this one, because I want to know whether Dirk looks as much like Robz in person as I think he does from seeing Robz's photo posted around here somewhere :-P

I think Dirk looks like.... Lalight!

Hmmm... maybe Dirk has an everyman type face and therefore he looks like a lot of people.
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« Reply #90 on: September 11, 2018, 05:23:16 pm »

Anyway, my plan involves HYPO-CLAIMING and is based around a weird inference I made from my knowledge of the flavor.

Anyone interested?

Just to be clear, you're using only knowledge of the series, and not extra stuff from your QT, right? So all statements should be verifiable, and you don't get to do vague role-fishing without saying why?

you'll see?

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #91 on: September 11, 2018, 08:40:11 pm »

Flavor:

http://dirkgently.wikia.com/wiki/Bart_Curlish
is a 'holistic assassin' in the TV show this mafia game is based on. She is shown to have supernatural powers to not be killed or harmed in super life-threatening situations, and to intuitively kill only bad people, never good people. She states that she is guided by the universe, and that the universe keeps her healthy and tells her whom to kill.

Inference:

Bart Curlish is probably a role in the game, and they are likely a serial killer. They may also be a serial killer that has some means to convert to town (AKA universe-aligned. I think this is possible because a) that's how I would resolve the conflict between Bart being an obvious serial-killer-style character and also being a clearly universe-aligned character and b) based on my own role, I know that Lalight is playing at least a little bit fast and loose with the flavor and taking some artistic liberties in order to make the roles work for mafia and be more fun to play.

Here's the less likely thing. IF Bart curlish is a serial killer who can convert to town, they may POSSIBLY also know something about how to go about doing that, and there may be other people out there who would be able to help, EG, by targeting Bart.

Plan:

We all go around and say "If I was Bart the serial killer, this is how you could help me convert to town." If you're not Bart, just make something up. Try to make it look, uh, plausible. If you are Bart, just tell us what you know. That way, maybe Bart can become town and we don't have to lynch her.

It's sort a longshot TBH, but I mean why not?
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« Reply #92 on: September 11, 2018, 08:43:09 pm »

Flavor:

http://dirkgently.wikia.com/wiki/Bart_Curlish
is a 'holistic assassin' in the TV show this mafia game is based on. She is shown to have supernatural powers to not be killed or harmed in super life-threatening situations, and to intuitively kill only bad people, never good people. She states that she is guided by the universe, and that the universe keeps her healthy and tells her whom to kill.

Inference:

Bart Curlish is probably a role in the game, and they are likely a serial killer. They may also be a serial killer that has some means to convert to town (AKA universe-aligned. I think this is possible because a) that's how I would resolve the conflict between Bart being an obvious serial-killer-style character and also being a clearly universe-aligned character and b) based on my own role, I know that Lalight is playing at least a little bit fast and loose with the flavor and taking some artistic liberties in order to make the roles work for mafia and be more fun to play.

Here's the less likely thing. IF Bart curlish is a serial killer who can convert to town, they may POSSIBLY also know something about how to go about doing that, and there may be other people out there who would be able to help, EG, by targeting Bart.

Plan:

We all go around and say "If I was Bart the serial killer, this is how you could help me convert to town." If you're not Bart, just make something up. Try to make it look, uh, plausible. If you are Bart, just tell us what you know. That way, maybe Bart can become town and we don't have to lynch her.

It's sort a longshot TBH, but I mean why not?

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« Reply #93 on: September 11, 2018, 08:45:00 pm »

But... why do you hate fun?
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« Reply #94 on: September 11, 2018, 08:50:09 pm »

If I was Bart the serial killer I would hate fun

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« Reply #95 on: September 11, 2018, 08:55:39 pm »

If I were Bart the Serial Killer, I would lynch Iguana for SK hunting.

Also, where's Ashersky with a -real- D1 plan?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #96 on: September 11, 2018, 08:56:48 pm »

I say we do it
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« Reply #97 on: September 11, 2018, 09:34:46 pm »

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« Reply #98 on: September 11, 2018, 09:49:44 pm »

Alignment changing is usually bastard. Lately we've played with it with warnings ahead of time. But there are no warnings of that sort in the OP. When I was a seriously nerfed serial killer in Modern Community, I pretended to be a psychiatrist hoping someone would counterclaim me and make me town. Found out later my claim should have been obviously false because changing alignment would be bastard. So my desperate hope for sanity was not to be.
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« Reply #99 on: September 11, 2018, 09:58:09 pm »

Alignment changing is usually bastard. Lately we've played with it with warnings ahead of time. But there are no warnings of that sort in the OP. When I was a seriously nerfed serial killer in Modern Community, I pretended to be a psychiatrist hoping someone would counterclaim me and make me town. Found out later my claim should have been obviously false because changing alignment would be bastard. So my desperate hope for sanity was not to be.

I don't think alignment changing is bastard if you're the only person in your alignment and you're the one actively choosing to change your alignment.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #100 on: September 11, 2018, 10:05:13 pm »

iguana's second point doesn't support the plan, though. If Lalight is playing fast and loose with the flavor then the Bark Curlish character could be a serial killer who also kills good people.  If he's holding closer to flavor, then maybe the SK can only kill mafia, which would be awesome for town, not so much for the SK.
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« Reply #101 on: September 11, 2018, 10:33:48 pm »

Alignment changing is usually bastard. Lately we've played with it with warnings ahead of time. But there are no warnings of that sort in the OP. When I was a seriously nerfed serial killer in Modern Community, I pretended to be a psychiatrist hoping someone would counterclaim me and make me town. Found out later my claim should have been obviously false because changing alignment would be bastard. So my desperate hope for sanity was not to be.

I don't think alignment changing is bastard if you're the only person in your alignment and you're the one actively choosing to change your alignment.

This. SK --> town isn't inherently bastard, neither would an invented role that can win solo or with town under certain conditions.
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« Reply #102 on: September 11, 2018, 10:34:36 pm »

If I were Bart the Serial Killer, I would lynch Iguana for SK hunting.

Also, where's Ashersky with a -real- D1 plan?

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« Reply #103 on: September 11, 2018, 10:41:24 pm »

But... why do you hate fun?

Why do you like trying to make someone with an alleged flavor and role claim? I agree with galzria, way too SK-hunting-esque of a plan for me.

Also, all the required approval from people before posting? Let's just go ahead and

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #104 on: September 12, 2018, 12:59:49 am »

Flavor:

http://dirkgently.wikia.com/wiki/Bart_Curlish
is a 'holistic assassin' in the TV show this mafia game is based on. She is shown to have supernatural powers to not be killed or harmed in super life-threatening situations, and to intuitively kill only bad people, never good people. She states that she is guided by the universe, and that the universe keeps her healthy and tells her whom to kill.

Inference:

Bart Curlish is probably a role in the game, and they are likely a serial killer. They may also be a serial killer that has some means to convert to town (AKA universe-aligned. I think this is possible because a) that's how I would resolve the conflict between Bart being an obvious serial-killer-style character and also being a clearly universe-aligned character and b) based on my own role, I know that Lalight is playing at least a little bit fast and loose with the flavor and taking some artistic liberties in order to make the roles work for mafia and be more fun to play.

Here's the less likely thing. IF Bart curlish is a serial killer who can convert to town, they may POSSIBLY also know something about how to go about doing that, and there may be other people out there who would be able to help, EG, by targeting Bart.

Plan:

We all go around and say "If I was Bart the serial killer, this is how you could help me convert to town." If you're not Bart, just make something up. Try to make it look, uh, plausible. If you are Bart, just tell us what you know. That way, maybe Bart can become town and we don't have to lynch her.

It's sort a longshot TBH, but I mean why not?

Issue I have with this is what if your inference in incorrect. Like what if the Bart guy is just mafia and not SK? Or what if the "turn to town" thing isn't accurate? I feel like this plan would probably just create confusion. That being said - I don't know what your flavor is that made you come up with this, so all of that is from my blank pov.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N0)
« Reply #105 on: September 12, 2018, 04:10:06 am »

Vote count 1.2

silverspawn (2): Awaclus, EFHW
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Morgrim7 (2): chairs, SpaceAnemone
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #106 on: September 12, 2018, 04:33:29 am »

b) based on my own role, I know

Yah, this is exactly the point I was getting at in my question to you! You framed this as "a weird inference I made from my knowledge of the flavor", but what you actually mean is "some QT stuff I obviously can't talk about but want to hint at here for townpoints...".

The plan sounds clever in itself, but apparently I'm not feeling in a trusting mood this morning.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #107 on: September 12, 2018, 04:38:49 am »

Sad we don't have Mcmc or Robz in this one, because I want to know whether Dirk looks as much like Robz in person as I think he does from seeing Robz's photo posted around here somewhere :-P

I think Dirk looks like.... Lalight!

Hmmm... maybe Dirk has an everyman type face and therefore he looks like a lot of people.

Heh, I don't see the Dirk-LL resemblance at all, and I've spent quite a few days in LL's company,so I'm pretty confident in that.

Guess I'll have to plan a US trip to go and try to meet more people on Robz's side of the pond. I mean, what can go wrong with a random British singleton popping up in the US? :-P
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #108 on: September 12, 2018, 07:13:57 am »

But... why do you hate fun?

Why do you like trying to make someone with an alleged flavor and role claim? I agree with galzria, way too SK-hunting-esque of a plan for me.

Also, all the required approval from people before posting? Let's just go ahead and

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For the sake of the public record, would you mind going into rather more detail as to what exactly about my proposal makes me scum?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #109 on: September 12, 2018, 07:35:20 am »

I really don’t see the problem with iguana’s proposal. Best case scenario, we are able to get rid of a SK with little to no effort. Worst case scenario, we listen to all the proposals, everyone gets a little confused, and we don’t act on it. I’m willing to risk my mental stability in order to have the chance at getting rid of the SK.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #110 on: September 12, 2018, 07:50:22 am »

Alignment changing is usually bastard. Lately we've played with it with warnings ahead of time. But there are no warnings of that sort in the OP. When I was a seriously nerfed serial killer in Modern Community, I pretended to be a psychiatrist hoping someone would counterclaim me and make me town. Found out later my claim should have been obviously false because changing alignment would be bastard. So my desperate hope for sanity was not to be.

I don't think alignment changing is bastard if you're the only person in your alignment and you're the one actively choosing to change your alignment.

Awaclus is correct. Everyone who tries to shoot down the plan is wrong.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #111 on: September 12, 2018, 07:51:50 am »

vote: e for being uncharacteristically unreasonable

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« Reply #112 on: September 12, 2018, 08:02:00 am »

vote: e for being uncharacteristically unreasonable

Uncharacteristically? This is one of my better early D1 cases
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #113 on: September 12, 2018, 08:05:05 am »

If I was Bart the SK, then it would be clear what to do, and the time to do it would be night 1.

vote: e for being uncharacteristically unreasonable

Uncharacteristically? This is one of my better early D1 cases

Forget the case. You should do the plan.

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« Reply #114 on: September 12, 2018, 08:06:26 am »

If I was Bart the SK, then it would be clear what to do, and the time to do it would be night 1.

vote: e for being uncharacteristically unreasonable

Uncharacteristically? This is one of my better early D1 cases

Forget the case. You should do the plan.

False. The time too do it would be N2, if at all
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« Reply #115 on: September 12, 2018, 08:08:43 am »

for me or for you?

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« Reply #116 on: September 12, 2018, 09:02:46 am »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #117 on: September 12, 2018, 09:12:48 am »

Alignment changing is usually bastard. Lately we've played with it with warnings ahead of time. But there are no warnings of that sort in the OP. When I was a seriously nerfed serial killer in Modern Community, I pretended to be a psychiatrist hoping someone would counterclaim me and make me town. Found out later my claim should have been obviously false because changing alignment would be bastard. So my desperate hope for sanity was not to be.

I don't think alignment changing is bastard if you're the only person in your alignment and you're the one actively choosing to change your alignment.

Awaclus is correct. Everyone who tries to shoot down the plan is wrong.
This is the kind of plan where mini-claims lead to questions that lead to more claims by more people and next thing you know town has revealed too much. I've seen it happen more than once.
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« Reply #118 on: September 12, 2018, 09:16:28 am »

This plan also doesn't make sense. If Bart the SK knows they can be turned to town, they should just claim and get turned to town.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #119 on: September 12, 2018, 09:27:49 am »

What if Bart the SK is bulletproof but only until they get converted? Or what if Bart is already town and not an SK at all? Orrr what if... I could come up with other scenarios!

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« Reply #120 on: September 12, 2018, 10:10:50 am »

EFHW and chairs get it
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #121 on: September 12, 2018, 10:34:49 am »

Sorry for the delay. Also, hi everyone.

Pretty sure igu is the character he’s talking about.

My time zone is waaaaaay different now, so expect different posting times.

I just popped in to post, will write more in the morning.

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« Reply #122 on: September 12, 2018, 10:35:38 am »

P.S. — I have one of those things where we do stuff in a purposeful manner.  Will write it up tomorrow.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #123 on: September 12, 2018, 10:39:09 am »


Pretty sure igu is the character he’s talking about.

Ash is now confirmed Bart.


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« Reply #124 on: September 12, 2018, 10:40:09 am »

EFHW and chairs get it

I'm afraid not. If they got it, they would say something like "If I was bart the SK, you would have to do X".

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« Reply #125 on: September 12, 2018, 10:40:36 am »

Ok I think we can safely conclude that the scumteam is e / EFHW / ashersky.

dayvig: EFHW

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« Reply #126 on: September 12, 2018, 10:41:01 am »

Actually scratch that I want to hear Ash's thing first.

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« Reply #127 on: September 12, 2018, 10:48:40 am »

Ok I think we can safely conclude that the scumteam is e / EFHW / ashersky.

dayvig: EFHW

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« Reply #128 on: September 12, 2018, 10:51:30 am »

Actually scratch that I want to hear Ash's thing first.

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Be confident in your plan. Let's hear it. Your hesitation seems scummy to me
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« Reply #129 on: September 12, 2018, 10:53:02 am »

EFHW and chairs get it

I'm afraid not. If they got it, they would say something like "If I was bart the SK, you would have to do X".

Why should they do that?
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« Reply #130 on: September 12, 2018, 10:54:38 am »

Actually scratch that I want to hear Ash's thing first.

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Be confident in your plan. Let's hear it. Your hesitation seems scummy to me

Wut wut? I don't have an ounce of hesitation in my soul!! Where are you getting that idea?
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« Reply #131 on: September 12, 2018, 10:57:52 am »

Actually scratch that I want to hear Ash's thing first.

*puts on lurker hat*

Be confident in your plan. Let's hear it. Your hesitation seems scummy to me

Wut wut? I don't have an ounce of hesitation in my soul!! Where are you getting that idea?

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #132 on: September 12, 2018, 11:16:15 am »

In the show, Bart is a loose cannon so not aligned with anyone. She is definitely bulletproof until the moment when she tries to kill Dirk and then she can be hurt and joins the cause.

So, maybe she has to target Dirk before she becomes a Good Guy.
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« Reply #133 on: September 12, 2018, 11:38:00 am »

Ok I think we can safely conclude that the scumteam is e / EFHW / ashersky.

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« Reply #134 on: September 12, 2018, 11:51:31 am »

Ok I think we can safely conclude that the scumteam is e / EFHW / ashersky.

dayvig: EFHW

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Are you scum reading EFHW?
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« Reply #135 on: September 12, 2018, 12:00:35 pm »

Ok I think we can safely conclude that the scumteam is e / EFHW / ashersky.

dayvig: EFHW

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I do, too.

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« Reply #136 on: September 12, 2018, 12:13:12 pm »

Ok I think we can safely conclude that the scumteam is e / EFHW / ashersky.

dayvig: EFHW

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I thought we agreed?

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« Reply #137 on: September 12, 2018, 12:25:42 pm »

Alignment changing is usually bastard. Lately we've played with it with warnings ahead of time. But there are no warnings of that sort in the OP. When I was a seriously nerfed serial killer in Modern Community, I pretended to be a psychiatrist hoping someone would counterclaim me and make me town. Found out later my claim should have been obviously false because changing alignment would be bastard. So my desperate hope for sanity was not to be.

I don't think alignment changing is bastard if you're the only person in your alignment and you're the one actively choosing to change your alignment.

Awaclus is correct. Everyone who tries to shoot down the plan is wrong.
Why do you like the plan so much? And why aren't people allowed to disagree with you?
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« Reply #138 on: September 12, 2018, 01:36:36 pm »

Alignment changing is usually bastard. Lately we've played with it with warnings ahead of time. But there are no warnings of that sort in the OP. When I was a seriously nerfed serial killer in Modern Community, I pretended to be a psychiatrist hoping someone would counterclaim me and make me town. Found out later my claim should have been obviously false because changing alignment would be bastard. So my desperate hope for sanity was not to be.

I don't think alignment changing is bastard if you're the only person in your alignment and you're the one actively choosing to change your alignment.

Awaclus is correct. Everyone who tries to shoot down the plan is wrong.
Why do you like the plan so much? And why aren't people allowed to disagree with you?

This is a good question!
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« Reply #139 on: September 12, 2018, 01:43:31 pm »

Actually scratch that I want to hear Ash's thing first.

*puts on lurker hat*

Be confident in your plan. Let's hear it. Your hesitation seems scummy to me

Wut wut? I don't have an ounce of hesitation in my soul!! Where are you getting that idea?

*puts on lurker hat*

I dunno e, I feel like you put me in your scumbucket already so it doesn't matter what I tell you, but FWIW I am, without hesitation, pursuing my current 'plan' of waiting to see what Ash has got to say before I share my opinions on people's reactions to what I've said.
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« Reply #140 on: September 12, 2018, 03:10:22 pm »

Actually scratch that I want to hear Ash's thing first.

*puts on lurker hat*

Be confident in your plan. Let's hear it. Your hesitation seems scummy to me

Wut wut? I don't have an ounce of hesitation in my soul!! Where are you getting that idea?

*puts on lurker hat*

I dunno e, I feel like you put me in your scumbucket already so it doesn't matter what I tell you, but FWIW I am, without hesitation, pursuing my current 'plan' of waiting to see what Ash has got to say before I share my opinions on people's reactions to what I've said.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #141 on: September 12, 2018, 03:17:37 pm »

Alignment changing is usually bastard. Lately we've played with it with warnings ahead of time. But there are no warnings of that sort in the OP. When I was a seriously nerfed serial killer in Modern Community, I pretended to be a psychiatrist hoping someone would counterclaim me and make me town. Found out later my claim should have been obviously false because changing alignment would be bastard. So my desperate hope for sanity was not to be.

I don't think alignment changing is bastard if you're the only person in your alignment and you're the one actively choosing to change your alignment.

Awaclus is correct. Everyone who tries to shoot down the plan is wrong.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #142 on: September 12, 2018, 03:28:30 pm »

Alignment changing is usually bastard. Lately we've played with it with warnings ahead of time. But there are no warnings of that sort in the OP. When I was a seriously nerfed serial killer in Modern Community, I pretended to be a psychiatrist hoping someone would counterclaim me and make me town. Found out later my claim should have been obviously false because changing alignment would be bastard. So my desperate hope for sanity was not to be.

I don't think alignment changing is bastard if you're the only person in your alignment and you're the one actively choosing to change your alignment.

Awaclus is correct. Everyone who tries to shoot down the plan is wrong.
Why do you like the plan so much? And why aren't people allowed to disagree with you?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #143 on: September 12, 2018, 03:32:50 pm »

So much is being off flavor and i haven’t seen this show.
I wanna hear ashes thing.
I assume Igu is extremely related to the SK somehow (or is the SK)
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #144 on: September 12, 2018, 06:01:38 pm »

I'm glad I watched the show between signing up and the game starting!

I agree with Awaclus/silver that alignment changes probably aren't explicitly impossible just because we're in an RMM setup rather than a bastard setup.

I agree with EFHW that silver's response is somewhat mystifying. I think we just don't know enough to be sure the plan is a good idea. There's a chain of assumptions about Bart being in the game, about her being an SK rather than "universe-aligned", and about her being able to change to a townie. I mean, she's pretty much an agent of the universe anyway, so why isn't it equally possible that she's just a townie character like a vig or something? Whether vig or SK or something else, I think it's clear that scum has more reason to fear her than town, so I think it's reasonable to question Iguana's motives in presenting the plan. Thus I think it's odd that silver is so much on the side of adopting the chain of assumptions and scumreading those questioning Iguana's alignment.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #145 on: September 12, 2018, 06:10:24 pm »

In other news, scumpoints for those who've decided not to bother contributing to D1 until Ash has come back in with his grand plan. There's no way his idea can be worth stalling the game over. This is D1 in an RMM: he's not going to solve the setup.

What's the benefit of him posting an intent to post a plan, anyway? At best, it meets a busy person's their daily posting quota without actually resorting to fluff. In reality, it's encouraging the game to stall or to discuss Ash the player, rather than anything relevant to the current game.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #146 on: September 12, 2018, 06:10:59 pm »

Okay, PSA.  My availability is generally limited to my commute, and on my phone.  So you should see spurts of activity.  I’ll do my best to respond/react to stuff that happened while I was not actively reading.

As for the long time, no sees — glad to see people active again!

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #147 on: September 12, 2018, 06:12:24 pm »

Classic SA!  Why we are never on the same page I may never understand.

(Aside: they are right about stalling being unnecessary; wrong about it being scummy.)
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #148 on: September 12, 2018, 06:18:38 pm »

As for plans...

I will present two.  Pick one, or both, or none.

1) Mass flavorclaim.  Because of course.  But really, because flavor is clearly very important and it either super helps a lot of players at night or doesn’t.  And if it does, I posit it helps more town players than scum players so reward is greater than risk.

2) Everyone who knows the flavor posts a list of the major possible characters and likely alignments based on their knowledge of LL.  Bonus points: guess possible mafia roles.  This gives us fodder to discuss and opportunities for players to be scummy.

These aren’t plans to solve the game; these are to kickstart it and provide scumhunting clues.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #149 on: September 12, 2018, 06:19:51 pm »

(Aside: they are right about stalling being unnecessary; wrong about it being scummy.)

But how to you know that nobody who posted intent to wait for your plan wasn't scum taking advantage of the excuse to stall? I think most people would be marginally more likely to want to slow things down here as scum than as town. Yes, it's very marginal, but that's where the concept of scumpoints and townpoints comes in useful, even if you don't want to have to be a good Bayesian about these things.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #150 on: September 12, 2018, 06:20:09 pm »

In other news, scumpoints for those who've decided not to bother contributing to D1 until Ash has come back in with his grand plan.

I'm not waiting for ash to come back with his grand plan, I'm lurking for other reasons.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #151 on: September 12, 2018, 06:21:46 pm »

Early reads:

igu is SK hunting, right.  Generally, SKs do it to hide in plain site, mafia do it because they want to eliminate a rival killing faction, and traitors do it to try to look scummy to unknown partners.  So early scum read.

No one else has done enough to earn a read.  Day passes were issued for reasons listed in that post.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #152 on: September 12, 2018, 06:22:18 pm »

As for plans...

I will present two.  Pick one, or both, or none.

1) Mass flavorclaim.  Because of course.  But really, because flavor is clearly very important and it either super helps a lot of players at night or doesn’t.  And if it does, I posit it helps more town players than scum players so reward is greater than risk.

2) Everyone who knows the flavor posts a list of the major possible characters and likely alignments based on their knowledge of LL.  Bonus points: guess possible mafia roles.  This gives us fodder to discuss and opportunities for players to be scummy.

These aren’t plans to solve the game; these are to kickstart it and provide scumhunting clues.

#2 is stupid. I'm not particularly for or against #1.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #153 on: September 12, 2018, 06:24:37 pm »

(Aside: they are right about stalling being unnecessary; wrong about it being scummy.)

But how to you know that nobody who posted intent to wait for your plan wasn't scum taking advantage of the excuse to stall? I think most people would be marginally more likely to want to slow things down here as scum than as town. Yes, it's very marginal, but that's where the concept of scumpoints and townpoints comes in useful, even if you don't want to have to be a good Bayesian about these things.

I can’t know, I just think that the likelihood that scum does that more than town is slight, and I think that players are likely to do it more often based on personality, style, time freedom at the moment, and how they feel about me (the player, or my alignment this game).  If LL was playing, he’d have posted fourteen times about the good old days and definitely would wait to hear what I said just because he’s LL and enjoyed the games back then.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #154 on: September 12, 2018, 06:28:54 pm »

As for plans...

I will present two.  Pick one, or both, or none.

1) Mass flavorclaim.  Because of course.  But really, because flavor is clearly very important and it either super helps a lot of players at night or doesn’t.  And if it does, I posit it helps more town players than scum players so reward is greater than risk.

2) Everyone who knows the flavor posts a list of the major possible characters and likely alignments based on their knowledge of LL.  Bonus points: guess possible mafia roles.  This gives us fodder to discuss and opportunities for players to be scummy.

These aren’t plans to solve the game; these are to kickstart it and provide scumhunting clues.

I think plan #1 could be a disaster because I think the flavour is pretty full of obvious good strong characters, and maybe guessable roles, so that just gives scum a shopping list of which people to kill of in which order (e.g. Iguana's theory about Bart being an SK, which seems not-at-all-implausible to me).

Plan #2 has more merit, because we're not directly revealing anything about QTs, but does leave people with less knowledge of flavour far too much off the hook as far as obligation to contribute goes. It probably offers up rather a lot of nice fake-claim ideas to scum as people start racking their brains for more minor characters who might be involved. After all, scum are the only ones who get the opportunity to calibrate how likely a set of roles is going to sound, given they've presumably had pre-game discussion and at least know each other's character names for comparison.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #155 on: September 12, 2018, 06:36:32 pm »

(Aside: they are right about stalling being unnecessary; wrong about it being scummy.)

But how to you know that nobody who posted intent to wait for your plan wasn't scum taking advantage of the excuse to stall? I think most people would be marginally more likely to want to slow things down here as scum than as town. Yes, it's very marginal, but that's where the concept of scumpoints and townpoints comes in useful, even if you don't want to have to be a good Bayesian about these things.

Indeed. I would go a bit further and say that this is one of the better scum tells, at least speaking from personal experience, because it's a case where the towny thing takes more effort than not doing anything, and it usually it won't impact your reputation. So it's tempting to just go the path of least resistance.

You're making sense. I'm glad I'm actually town this game, so we can work together rather than me having to try to be deceiving. Unless you're scum. That would suck.

My previous responses were a sort of prolonged RVS joke. In reality, I'm mildly in favor of the iguana's plan.

Also agree with you on the post above. Mass flavor claim is irresponsible. I would participate in #2 if we got a majority agreement.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #156 on: September 12, 2018, 06:47:50 pm »

So far...

Pro #1: ?
Indifferent #1: Awaclus
Anti #1: SA, SS

Pro #2: SA, SS
Indifferent #2: ?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #157 on: September 12, 2018, 06:50:31 pm »

As for plans...

I will present two.  Pick one, or both, or none.

1) Mass flavorclaim.  Because of course.  But really, because flavor is clearly very important and it either super helps a lot of players at night or doesn’t.  And if it does, I posit it helps more town players than scum players so reward is greater than risk.

2) Everyone who knows the flavor posts a list of the major possible characters and likely alignments based on their knowledge of LL.  Bonus points: guess possible mafia roles.  This gives us fodder to discuss and opportunities for players to be scummy.

These aren’t plans to solve the game; these are to kickstart it and provide scumhunting clues.

I'd be fine with 1. But I don't think its a good idea. I just like mass claims.

for number 2. This one I don't really see how it can even help us. I guess there is the chance we might figure out mafia roles. But in general I feel like it will be either so inaccurate or even if its correct and we say like Fred (I have 0 flavor knowledge) is totally going to be a tracker. scum won't claim fred most likely, I bet they have safe claims? hmmmm but then I guess if their safeclaim is expected to have a power like charles should be a doctor and if scum claims charles and isn't a doctor or says they are but things don't line up I guess you could catch them.

Either way I guess its a small thing but it could help. But I can't help with that option since I have no flavor knowledge in it but once again I'm fine with it. claims are fun.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #158 on: September 12, 2018, 07:06:24 pm »

Pro #2: SA, SS

After saying that plan#2 has more merit than plan#1, I did spend much of the rest of the post pointing out the potentially disastrous consequences of plan#2, so I would not characterise myself as pro exactly. More like I'd tolerate some implementations of it, but I'd definitely encourage town to think about the scum utility of anything they share, because I think scum utility risks being significantly higher than town utility if people over-share.
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« Reply #159 on: September 12, 2018, 07:14:13 pm »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #160 on: September 12, 2018, 07:16:07 pm »

Anyway, my plan involves HYPO-CLAIMING and is based around a weird inference I made from my knowledge of the flavor.

Anyone interested?

I view this kind of plan as kind of scummy coming from Iguana.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #161 on: September 12, 2018, 07:17:07 pm »

This is boring. Vote: LaLight for openly threatening a newbie. Super scummy.

This also seems like a townie silver.  Very laid back.
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« Reply #162 on: September 12, 2018, 07:17:23 pm »

I'm not in favor of either plan.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N0)
« Reply #163 on: September 12, 2018, 07:17:42 pm »

Vote count 1.1

silverspawn (2): Awaclus, EFHW
ashersky (2): 2.71828....., Morgrim7
Morgrim7 (1): chairs
2.71828..... (1) silverspawn
Not voting (8): Galzria, SpaceAnemone, gkrieg13, DatSwan, iguanaiguana, Hydrad, WestCoastDidds, ashersky

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends, Tuesday, 18th of September, at 7am

Oh no, I think we accidentally lynched Not voting.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #164 on: September 12, 2018, 07:18:08 pm »

I'm against Ashersky's Plan #1 - I've seen mass flavor claim help town one time, I've seen it hurt town far more. I've also seen it fought both for and against in the same game, with half the town in favor claiming, and half the town against refusing - and this has ended in disaster 100% of the time. It's the sort of thing that, if it's going to work and help, has to be completed willingly by all participants.

As for plan #2 - it has merits... but it's not really useful to anybody with no knowledge of the flavor. And more, it has the potential to end up causing a lengthy debate amongst the players that DO have flavor knowledge about what a better representation of a character would be - which could clutter up the thread endlessly. Just look at the speculation around Bart alone. In addition, it could clue scum in to which players have which characters, and what their powers might be, based solely on how those players react towards seeing their character name come up (or even in how they present their personal character to the thread as a whole).

So consider me a "nay" for both plans - which shouldn't surprise anyone, as I've rarely seen a plan I like. I DO generally like the attempts to think outside the box however to come up with plans - it isn't something I see scum do all that often, and while I fully expect Ashersky to come up with stuff as either alignment (he almost has to - it's so ingrained in his meta), I still think he's slightly, slightly leaning town-ish here.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #165 on: September 12, 2018, 07:18:31 pm »

I watched the series recently and could generate a list of likely characters and alignments, if it’s useful (ala #2). I don’t have any sense of game roles, though, so someone else would have to add those in.

The quick summary is that on the show there are 3 good guys, 2 ambiguous guys, 2 innocents (one who is a dog sometimes), 3 baddies (one real bad, 2 helpers) and 3-4 rowdy folks who cause havoc but are basically good, and an inventor who made it all happen.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #166 on: September 12, 2018, 07:20:04 pm »

If I were Bart the Serial Killer, I would lynch Iguana for SK hunting.

Also, where's Ashersky with a -real- D1 plan?

No idea why, but this catches me the wrong way.  Probably the also starting a sentence.
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« Reply #167 on: September 12, 2018, 07:22:42 pm »

(Aside: they are right about stalling being unnecessary; wrong about it being scummy.)

But how to you know that nobody who posted intent to wait for your plan wasn't scum taking advantage of the excuse to stall? I think most people would be marginally more likely to want to slow things down here as scum than as town. Yes, it's very marginal, but that's where the concept of scumpoints and townpoints comes in useful, even if you don't want to have to be a good Bayesian about these things.

Indeed. I would go a bit further and say that this is one of the better scum tells, at least speaking from personal experience, because it's a case where the towny thing takes more effort than not doing anything, and it usually it won't impact your reputation. So it's tempting to just go the path of least resistance.

You're making sense. I'm glad I'm actually town this game, so we can work together rather than me having to try to be deceiving. Unless you're scum. That would suck.

My previous responses were a sort of prolonged RVS joke. In reality, I'm mildly in favor of the iguana's plan.

Also agree with you on the post above. Mass flavor claim is irresponsible. I would participate in #2 if we got a majority agreement.

I don't like the way you're backing away here - but I do like that you tried something (Dayvig) in the hopes of illiciting responses. What I would be more interested in is what you took away from that whole series of interactions?
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« Reply #168 on: September 12, 2018, 07:22:59 pm »

Alignment changing is usually bastard. Lately we've played with it with warnings ahead of time. But there are no warnings of that sort in the OP. When I was a seriously nerfed serial killer in Modern Community, I pretended to be a psychiatrist hoping someone would counterclaim me and make me town. Found out later my claim should have been obviously false because changing alignment would be bastard. So my desperate hope for sanity was not to be.

I don't think alignment changing is bastard if you're the only person in your alignment and you're the one actively choosing to change your alignment.

Awaclus is correct. Everyone who tries to shoot down the plan is wrong.
This is the kind of plan where mini-claims lead to questions that lead to more claims by more people and next thing you know town has revealed too much. I've seen it happen more than once.

This looks like EFHW trying to sound townie without actually being townie.  vote: EFHW
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« Reply #169 on: September 12, 2018, 07:26:18 pm »

If I were Bart the Serial Killer, I would lynch Iguana for SK hunting.

Also, where's Ashersky with a -real- D1 plan?

No idea why, but this catches me the wrong way.  Probably the also starting a sentence.

I do that a lot, as I often type how I speak, and to me there is my first thought, "If I were Bart the Serial Killer, I would lynch Iguana for SK hunting.", and then -also- my second thought, "where's Ashersky with a -real- D1 plan?". The Also, in this case, is used in this way to indicate that the two thoughts are unrelated. I dunno - just feels natural to me.
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« Reply #170 on: September 12, 2018, 07:28:40 pm »

If I were Bart the Serial Killer, I would lynch Iguana for SK hunting.

Also, where's Ashersky with a -real- D1 plan?

No idea why, but this catches me the wrong way.  Probably the also starting a sentence.

It just reads scummy to me.  Like you are trying to state the first point and not have people find you scummy (not saying that it is) for it.  It just is a gut slightly scummy thing to me, but I'm not entirely sure why yet.

I do that a lot, as I often type how I speak, and to me there is my first thought, "If I were Bart the Serial Killer, I would lynch Iguana for SK hunting.", and then -also- my second thought, "where's Ashersky with a -real- D1 plan?". The Also, in this case, is used in this way to indicate that the two thoughts are unrelated. I dunno - just feels natural to me.
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« Reply #171 on: September 12, 2018, 08:52:21 pm »

I like Ashes's first plan! If everyone (or even most of us) go through with it, we will at the very least have some great info to work with. More than we have now. And data is good for the town, right? Even if it is chaotic data.

It would be nice to have something to "kickstart the game" (to quote ashes), instead of randomly pointing weak fingers based off stuff that is probably insignificant.

Whether or not mass flavor claims end up being beneficial to the town largely depends on the crowd and how willing everyone is to participate. The more willing participants, the more helpful it ends up being. Knowing f.ds, there is going to be a ridiculous amount of deliberation either way. I think it is appropriate for one of us to be the proverbial tenth man...

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« Reply #172 on: September 12, 2018, 09:56:55 pm »

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« Reply #173 on: September 12, 2018, 10:06:05 pm »

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« Reply #174 on: September 12, 2018, 11:13:15 pm »

Plan opinions:

Iguana's Plan - Unless I have missed something, I really don't see how hypo-claiming works for us. Or at least I guess I don't see how it would work for us unless Igu has knowledge of like an INSANELY huge upside. However, I guess I do not see a huge downside to it either. It seems just kind of pointless? Which is why I assume Igu knows something we don't... which could be either good or bad. So probably not on board with that.

Every game I have played on this site has, in the set up post, the phrase "Skum will be provided with fake claims". I do not see it in the set up post for this game. Does that mean they don't have them, or do we just not know?

Assuming Skum could have fake claims...

Ash #1 - Skum could use fake claims. Hurts today, but I guess we could map stuff out as we continue?

Ash #2 - The upside of the information this could generate is better than #1 imo. There is the downside of skum assumedly having more info then we do, so they could twist it up.

I would say if we do either of these it almost has to be done today. Not trying to rush it, just cuz if we wait through a night phase they will have a chance to coordinate.


I still think Igu is skumish for their idea. Mainly because of the null content it seems to provide (so I am assuming it is valuable to them).

Ash's plans seem to be more based on information generation. I don't know what that means. The only time I have played with Ash they pushed mass claim and ended up being Town.

If we have to pick one I like Ash#1 the best.

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« Reply #175 on: September 13, 2018, 03:41:50 am »

gkrieg!

Also, datswan townslip...don’t think it’s manufactured, unless their play style has changed since I was last playing.
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« Reply #176 on: September 13, 2018, 04:16:27 am »

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« Reply #177 on: September 13, 2018, 05:59:10 am »

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« Reply #178 on: September 13, 2018, 06:00:10 am »

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« Reply #179 on: September 13, 2018, 07:18:25 am »

It says flavor names havedirect inflience on powers. So it seems pretty haphazard to assume that detail means a flavorclaim helps town.

I could see us doing something like, those who need to claim: I need to know who x player is to activate my role.
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« Reply #180 on: September 13, 2018, 09:58:24 am »

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« Reply #181 on: September 13, 2018, 01:58:11 pm »

It says flavor names havedirect inflience on powers. So it seems pretty haphazard to assume that detail means a flavorclaim helps town.

I could see us doing something like, those who need to claim: I need to know who x player is to activate my role.

Yeah, I really don't get why the two who've claimed characters thought it was a good idea to so. I also don't think "I need to know who X" is can be all that safe a strategy when scum can just pick a probably-powerful character and say they have an excuse for needing to know who it is.
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« Reply #182 on: September 13, 2018, 03:11:12 pm »

I am not a huge fan of all the flavor claiming, etc.  That being said, I am town-reading Morgrim for it.
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« Reply #183 on: September 13, 2018, 04:09:32 pm »

It says flavor names havedirect inflience on powers. So it seems pretty haphazard to assume that detail means a flavorclaim helps town.

I could see us doing something like, those who need to claim: I need to know who x player is to activate my role.

Hmm that is interesting.

I'll do a mini claim then. I don't need anyone for my role to activate.

But I'm curious. Is there something in the show that relies on others a lot? Because I feel like people needed others isn't that common normally.
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« Reply #184 on: September 13, 2018, 06:06:34 pm »

Can anyone tell me if gkrieg has changed significantly since I last played?
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« Reply #185 on: September 13, 2018, 06:09:54 pm »

Can anyone tell me if gkrieg has changed significantly since I last played?

I can.  He hasn't
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« Reply #186 on: September 13, 2018, 06:11:35 pm »

Also Welcome back ash!
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« Reply #187 on: September 13, 2018, 06:30:20 pm »

Thanks!

You seem quiet.
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« Reply #188 on: September 13, 2018, 06:33:30 pm »

On the game — I think there are alignment tells embedded within the responses to the various plans floated out there.

Does scum oppose a clearly scum-helping plan?  Do they support it to help it gain traction?  Depends on the player, of course.

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« Reply #189 on: September 13, 2018, 06:39:42 pm »

I don't think any plan suggested has been clearly scum-helping. Not if clearly means that almost all players would agree if they were honest.

Which is not to say that reactions aren't alignment indicative.

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« Reply #190 on: September 13, 2018, 06:56:27 pm »

Thanks!

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I think I've just gotten busier.
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« Reply #191 on: September 13, 2018, 06:57:19 pm »

I don't think any plan suggested has been clearly scum-helping. Not if clearly means that almost all players would agree if they were honest.

Which is not to say that reactions aren't alignment indicative.

Let's lynch Awaclus vote: Awaclus

I can't tell if this from you is scummy or townie.  I think it is one of those two, but I don't remember.
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« Reply #192 on: September 13, 2018, 09:04:47 pm »

I am SO going to get to this game and respond to ALL OF YOU. It's been a long many games where I was town and I wasn't universally townread. Having this many people blatantly wrong about my alignment and stating their weak scumreads is actually kind of invigorating. Getting townread all the time is stressful because then people expect you to solve things.

Anyway, I'm going to respond to everyone, refute your arguments against me, explain my motivations, and probably woefully prove I am town to many of you, just.... not right now.

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« Reply #193 on: September 13, 2018, 09:26:54 pm »

gkrieg!

Also, datswan townslip...don’t think it’s manufactured, unless their play style has changed since I was last playing.
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« Reply #194 on: September 13, 2018, 09:28:27 pm »

I don't think any plan suggested has been clearly scum-helping. Not if clearly means that almost all players would agree if they were honest.

Which is not to say that reactions aren't alignment indicative.

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« Reply #195 on: September 14, 2018, 02:19:27 am »

It is never townie to vote for those who try to lynch Awaclus day 1.

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« Reply #196 on: September 14, 2018, 02:47:37 am »

gkrieg!

Also, datswan townslip...don’t think it’s manufactured, unless their play style has changed since I was last playing.
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I generally see “gotta do it before night so scum can’t coordinate” statements to come from town.  It shows a lack of info about the scum team that could be faked, but seemed candid in their post.
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« Reply #197 on: September 14, 2018, 04:04:31 am »

It is never townie to vote for those who try to lynch Awaclus day 1.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #198 on: September 14, 2018, 04:40:24 am »

Vote count 1.4

Morgrim7 (2): chairs, SpaceAnemone
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #199 on: September 14, 2018, 07:19:09 am »

For the record, scum!DatSwan IME makes a lot of wild conspiratorial theories and town!DatSwan also does this maybe more toned down though
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #200 on: September 14, 2018, 08:13:56 am »

Awaclus is either town or a very bold scum for making a flavor claim in such a seemingly whimsical manner, which I think is unlikely. You're a good kid.

I might be stupid and missing context, but
Does scum oppose a clearly scum-helping plan?  Do they support it to help it gain traction?  Depends on the player, of course.
is ashes calling his own plan "clearly scum-helping", or iguana's? If he was referring to his own, was it a bait? And if it was a bait, does he think Awaclus I are scummy for supporting it?

Iguana and silver are acting a bit odd. vote: silver
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #201 on: September 14, 2018, 08:42:35 am »

Awaclus is either town or a very bold scum for making a flavor claim in such a seemingly whimsical manner, which I think is unlikely. You're a good kid.

You, my friend, don't know Awaclus at all.

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« Reply #202 on: September 14, 2018, 09:31:37 am »

Awaclus is either town or a very bold scum for making a flavor claim in such a seemingly whimsical manner, which I think is unlikely. You're a good kid.

You, my friend, don't know Awaclus at all.
Is he generally that extreme? I just don’t see a reason for scum to flavor claim except to win weak D1 town points that mean little in the long run. It seems like a high risk low reward move for a scum.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #203 on: September 14, 2018, 09:41:34 am »

Awaclus is either town or a very bold scum for making a flavor claim in such a seemingly whimsical manner, which I think is unlikely. You're a good kid.

You, my friend, don't know Awaclus at all.
Where would he get 3 safe names to claim? Do you think he used all his team's safeclaims?
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« Reply #204 on: September 14, 2018, 09:51:38 am »

Awaclus is either town or a very bold scum for making a flavor claim in such a seemingly whimsical manner, which I think is unlikely. You're a good kid.

You, my friend, don't know Awaclus at all.
Where would he get 3 safe names to claim? Do you think he used all his team's safeclaims?

Where would he get 3 safe names as town? Clearly, something about his role gives him access to several claims, and I see no reason whatsoever that this is more likely to be a thing if he is town than scum.

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« Reply #205 on: September 14, 2018, 09:52:42 am »

Pretty sure it's the opposite. I have an easier time seeing a scum getting several potential flavor names than a town getting ... false other claims?

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #206 on: September 14, 2018, 10:17:15 am »

Awaclus is either town or a very bold scum for making a flavor claim in such a seemingly whimsical manner, which I think is unlikely. You're a good kid.

You, my friend, don't know Awaclus at all.
Where would he get 3 safe names to claim? Do you think he used all his team's safeclaims?

In the show, those are all the same person. So it could just be one person with several names instead of three people.
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« Reply #207 on: September 14, 2018, 10:24:03 am »

I’m so confused right now. I’m going to endeavor to watch the flavor soon

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #208 on: September 14, 2018, 10:47:47 am »

Awaclus is either town or a very bold scum for making a flavor claim in such a seemingly whimsical manner, which I think is unlikely. You're a good kid.

You, my friend, don't know Awaclus at all.
Where would he get 3 safe names to claim? Do you think he used all his team's safeclaims?

In the show, those are all the same person. So it could just be one person with several names instead of three people.

Its definitely that. One person who time travels and goes by a different alias in each time period he is in.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #209 on: September 14, 2018, 11:05:09 am »

Still no reason to believe he is town.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #210 on: September 14, 2018, 11:12:07 am »

I’m so confused right now. I’m going to endeavor to watch the flavor soon

The show is confusing, too, but you can sort of figure out who the good guys and bad guys are. Oh, and it’s on Hulu rather than Netflix in the US.
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« Reply #211 on: September 14, 2018, 02:45:32 pm »

I haven't quite gotten into this game yet.  Will try to do that over the weekend.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #212 on: September 14, 2018, 03:37:45 pm »

Awaclus is either town or a very bold scum for making a flavor claim in such a seemingly whimsical manner, which I think is unlikely. You're a good kid.

You, my friend, don't know Awaclus at all.
Where would he get 3 safe names to claim? Do you think he used all his team's safeclaims?

In the show, those are all the same person. So it could just be one person with several names instead of three people.

Its definitely that. One person who time travels and goes by a different alias in each time period he is in.
Alright. I'm going to have to watch this show, I think. Is it better than the commercials make it seem?

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« Reply #213 on: September 14, 2018, 03:46:23 pm »

Awaclus is either town or a very bold scum for making a flavor claim in such a seemingly whimsical manner, which I think is unlikely. You're a good kid.

You, my friend, don't know Awaclus at all.
Where would he get 3 safe names to claim? Do you think he used all his team's safeclaims?

In the show, those are all the same person. So it could just be one person with several names instead of three people.

Its definitely that. One person who time travels and goes by a different alias in each time period he is in.
Alright. I'm going to have to watch this show, I think. Is it better than the commercials make it seem?

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« Reply #214 on: September 14, 2018, 03:58:50 pm »

Awaclus is either town or a very bold scum for making a flavor claim in such a seemingly whimsical manner, which I think is unlikely. You're a good kid.

You, my friend, don't know Awaclus at all.
Where would he get 3 safe names to claim? Do you think he used all his team's safeclaims?

In the show, those are all the same person. So it could just be one person with several names instead of three people.

Its definitely that. One person who time travels and goes by a different alias in each time period he is in.
Alright. I'm going to have to watch this show, I think. Is it better than the commercials make it seem?

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« Reply #215 on: September 14, 2018, 05:40:29 pm »

Alright. I'm going to have to watch this show, I think. Is it better than the commercials make it seem?

I took several episodes to get into it. It has a very 70s feel early on, because all the females absolutely totally lack agency. And then suddenly it gets good after all, which is weird to me because then they make it look like the early part must have been some kind of deliberate artistic decision that I just don't get. I really enjoyed it in the end, though.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #216 on: September 14, 2018, 05:41:58 pm »

I too would like to know what plan Ash was referring to when he described (at least) one of them as "clearly scum-helping".
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #217 on: September 14, 2018, 05:53:37 pm »

Uh I don't know if I should say this but since I'm thinking it scum probably has already thought of it.

LL says speccy isn't allowed until something happens. I feel like that only really matters if there is some weird time travel or something like that. And I feel like really only town would have that kinda power.

So unless there are multiple time travelling characters I think that makes awaclus most likely town?
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« Reply #218 on: September 14, 2018, 06:26:09 pm »

as much as I don't like it, that's actually a legit point.

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« Reply #219 on: September 14, 2018, 06:29:08 pm »

In the show, both the bad guys and two sets of good guys have access to a time travel device at different points in the device's timeline.
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« Reply #220 on: September 14, 2018, 06:31:43 pm »

Vote: WCD
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« Reply #221 on: September 14, 2018, 06:46:06 pm »

Finally getting to some of the criticism of me that came so quickly that I didn't have time to respond to it all when it was happening:

First, here's a general response to what I remember of people criticizing me and calling me scummy:

The whole point of my plan was to put something out there that I considered to be fairly low risk, with a very very small potential for a good reward. In fact, after I thought about it a bit, I wasn't even convinced that my plan was worth doing. BUT just because it wasn't worth doing, I didn't think it wasn't worth proposing.

Here's why: by proposing the plan, everyone in the game starts to talk about the pros and cons of it. Town is just gunna say what they think, but scum has to manufacture some sort of response, and they have to look at what their partners said, and maybe they don't want all scum against the plan if town likes it, or all scum for it when town hates it. So later on down the line, people can look for the scum team based on flips and how different people reacted. So that's value.

Also there's value in the fact that I am town and scum had to decide how to respond to all the people starting to scumread me. With the number of people who stated weak scumreads on me, there's gauranteed to be scum in there. Not helpful now but at some point, that could PoE someone.

Also Bart is probably in this game and had to decide how to react to all this, and could be caught out by that at some point.

Also just starting conversation in general has a lot of value when we are only a few pages into D1.

I'm also going to respond to people more specifically in a different post or series of posts.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #222 on: September 14, 2018, 06:51:09 pm »


Issue I have with this [plan] is what if your inference in incorrect. Like what if the Bart guy is just mafia and not SK? Or what if the "turn to town" thing isn't accurate? I feel like this plan would probably just create confusion. That being said - I don't know what your flavor is that made you come up with this, so all of that is from my blank pov.


Iguana's Plan - Unless I have missed something, I really don't see how hypo-claiming works for us. Or at least I guess I don't see how it would work for us unless Igu has knowledge of like an INSANELY huge upside. However, I guess I do not see a huge downside to it either. It seems just kind of pointless? Which is why I assume Igu knows something we don't... which could be either good or bad. So probably not on board with that.

[snipped stuff about ash]

I still think Igu is skumish for their idea. Mainly because of the null content it seems to provide (so I am assuming it is valuable to them).

I think you are barking up the wrong tree regarding my flavor when you are assuming it must be Bart related. I REALLY LIKED Bart on the TV show when I was watching it. I identified with her before I got my role. Then, I didn't get her as my role. And I was disappointed. But by that point I had already gone through the thought process of "If I was modding Dirk Gently, how would I handle Bart?" I decided I would make her an SK who could become town. And then when I saw my non-Bart role, I thought, how could we, town, assist a person like that who can't openly ask for help, if they exist? And that was where my plan generated. I didn't have the plan until I saw my non-Bart-town-role.

If I was Bart, I wouldn't have brought up Bart. Seriously. See my point above also about how the whole point was low risk, low chance of reward, and jump-starting D1 so that we don't just sit around RVSing for 10 pages.

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« Reply #223 on: September 14, 2018, 06:54:19 pm »

b) based on my own role, I know

Yah, this is exactly the point I was getting at in my question to you! You framed this as "a weird inference I made from my knowledge of the flavor", but what you actually mean is "some QT stuff I obviously can't talk about but want to hint at here for townpoints...".

The plan sounds clever in itself, but apparently I'm not feeling in a trusting mood this morning.

No, none of what I know about my role that led me to thinking of this plan is based on wording in my QT. I simply know that the way things are for my character in the show and the way things are for my character in this game are not exactly the same. Artistic liberties have been taken. That was what led me to think that LL might go for something beautiful-that-works-for-mafia with Bart, such as SK who can convert to universe-aligned.
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« Reply #224 on: September 14, 2018, 06:55:22 pm »

vote: e for being uncharacteristically unreasonable

Uncharacteristically? This is one of my better early D1 cases

I'm sorry, but to this day I haven't seen you say a single orignal statement in your so-called case on me. All you've done is repeat weak echoes of what other people have said. How could this possibly be one of your better D1 cases?
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« Reply #225 on: September 14, 2018, 06:57:31 pm »

Alignment changing is usually bastard. Lately we've played with it with warnings ahead of time. But there are no warnings of that sort in the OP. When I was a seriously nerfed serial killer in Modern Community, I pretended to be a psychiatrist hoping someone would counterclaim me and make me town. Found out later my claim should have been obviously false because changing alignment would be bastard. So my desperate hope for sanity was not to be.

I don't think alignment changing is bastard if you're the only person in your alignment and you're the one actively choosing to change your alignment.

Awaclus is correct. Everyone who tries to shoot down the plan is wrong.
This is the kind of plan where mini-claims lead to questions that lead to more claims by more people and next thing you know town has revealed too much. I've seen it happen more than once.

Unfortunately, after Ash posted his thing, this already turned out to be correct with Morgrim and Awaclus revealing flavor. However, this was not my intention. I specifically wanted us to talk about hypotheticals so that no one would end up giving scum real information that would help scum. I knew it was a risk, but thought that getting the conversation going was worth the risk. And, in the end, the damage is not so bad (yet).
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #226 on: September 14, 2018, 06:59:07 pm »

What if Bart the SK is bulletproof but only until they get converted? Or what if Bart is already town and not an SK at all? Orrr what if... I could come up with other scenarios!

It was watching the show that led to me thinking that it was a real possibility. I admit it was only ever 10% likely to be true, if that. (I mean, it is or is not true, so percentages don't make much sense here, but still...)

Anyway, you hated it. I get it. At least I got you to take a stance on something!
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« Reply #227 on: September 14, 2018, 07:02:07 pm »

In other news, scumpoints for those who've decided not to bother contributing to D1 until Ash has come back in with his grand plan. There's no way his idea can be worth stalling the game over. This is D1 in an RMM: he's not going to solve the setup.

What's the benefit of him posting an intent to post a plan, anyway? At best, it meets a busy person's their daily posting quota without actually resorting to fluff. In reality, it's encouraging the game to stall or to discuss Ash the player, rather than anything relevant to the current game.

Please resume normal D1 accusations, buddying, bussing, and the posting of theories of questionable worth now :-)

I had limited time, and saw a strategic value in delaying all of what I am saying now. I had to delay longer than I wanted to because of IRL. You of all people should know that not just scum comes in to say "I want to post my thoughts but don't have time." You do that, I feel, somewhat often.
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« Reply #228 on: September 14, 2018, 07:05:33 pm »

Anyway, sorry for the giant text wall. I think I'm done now.

Here's something more important than defending myself.

WCD has posted, like, nothing but clarifications on the flavor in this game. Reads like newbie!scum to me.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #229 on: September 14, 2018, 09:46:34 pm »

I’m into it. vote: wcd

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« Reply #230 on: September 14, 2018, 10:43:16 pm »

vote: wcd
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« Reply #231 on: September 14, 2018, 11:04:45 pm »

We really should ne able to do better than lynching the newbie. vote: chairs
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« Reply #232 on: September 14, 2018, 11:54:18 pm »

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« Reply #233 on: September 15, 2018, 01:34:42 am »

I like Iguanas responses. They make a good point as probably not doing it as the SK which makes sense. I do not believe that they have nothing in their flavor to suggest that promoting this plan would make sense though. Then i am torn because i don’t see why skum would risk putting their neck out with the plan...

At this point i don’t think an iguana lynch would be too great an idea. The only upside would be having the flip come out to gauge the responses people gave to the plan with a known constant. But i don’t think we find skum in the lynch.
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« Reply #234 on: September 15, 2018, 01:36:37 am »

Anyway, sorry for the giant text wall. I think I'm done now.

Here's something more important than defending myself.

WCD has posted, like, nothing but clarifications on the flavor in this game. Reads like newbie!scum to me.

I played the same way in my first RMM as Town!Noob bc i was trying to wrap my head around the game.
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« Reply #235 on: September 15, 2018, 01:38:54 am »

vote: Galz

Pretty much just for the super lurk.
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« Reply #236 on: September 15, 2018, 08:28:12 am »


WCD has posted, like, nothing but clarifications on the flavor in this game. Reads like newbie!scum to me.

As to the content of my posts, fair point. I’m rather intimidated and trying to figure out how I can best engage. And don’t forget when I posted early on about my experience thus far I got mod-smacked for talking about other games. Chills the environment...

I also think that the stuff I’m talking about flavor-clarification wise is helpful. The characters and factions are really twisted and there were folks thinking Awaclus’ claim was three people, when it’s really just one guy. Zimmerman is a cop. That’s helpful, too.

Based on the show, I think Bart has to be in the game and I’d guess that she is either not aligned and a serial killer or a town aligned killer (is that a vig?). On the show, she always kills the right person, and can’t be hurt. So maybe she is bulletproof. I’m not Bart, so I don’t know for sure. But that is what I’d guess. Not having a Bart would be a big hole in the flavor. But I also think there are probably LOTS of people with powers. To see connections, to draw energy, to switch bodies, to resurrect, to time travel. How do you do those in a forum...don’t know.

As for plans and what to do, we’ll, heck if I know. I’m trying to follow along but it’s like entering a conversation that’s been going on for days (years) before I got here. So I listen and follow along and try to make sense of it. I’m smart enough not to tell my role unless I think it helps someone else who needs that information. And I’m not sure I have enough game understanding to hypothesize.

But, dude, I’m trying. I’m posting and reading and showing up. I’m not sure I’d bother if I was scum. Better to just be off the radar, yes?
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« Reply #237 on: September 15, 2018, 09:35:34 am »

That’s fair. And I suppose giving newbies a day one pass is kinda standard procedure, isn’t it?

I’ll go back to vote: silver
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« Reply #238 on: September 15, 2018, 09:39:11 am »

We really should ne able to do better than lynching the newbie. vote: chairs

So you don't like lynching the newbie on principal. But aside from that, what do you think of her play?
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« Reply #239 on: September 15, 2018, 09:46:11 am »


WCD has posted, like, nothing but clarifications on the flavor in this game. Reads like newbie!scum to me.

As to the content of my posts, fair point. I’m rather intimidated and trying to figure out how I can best engage. And don’t forget when I posted early on about my experience thus far I got mod-smacked for talking about other games. Chills the environment...

I also think that the stuff I’m talking about flavor-clarification wise is helpful. The characters and factions are really twisted and there were folks thinking Awaclus’ claim was three people, when it’s really just one guy. Zimmerman is a cop. That’s helpful, too.

Based on the show, I think Bart has to be in the game and I’d guess that she is either not aligned and a serial killer or a town aligned killer (is that a vig?). On the show, she always kills the right person, and can’t be hurt. So maybe she is bulletproof. I’m not Bart, so I don’t know for sure. But that is what I’d guess. Not having a Bart would be a big hole in the flavor. But I also think there are probably LOTS of people with powers. To see connections, to draw energy, to switch bodies, to resurrect, to time travel. How do you do those in a forum...don’t know.

As for plans and what to do, we’ll, heck if I know. I’m trying to follow along but it’s like entering a conversation that’s been going on for days (years) before I got here. So I listen and follow along and try to make sense of it. I’m smart enough not to tell my role unless I think it helps someone else who needs that information. And I’m not sure I have enough game understanding to hypothesize.

But, dude, I’m trying. I’m posting and reading and showing up. I’m not sure I’d bother if I was scum. Better to just be off the radar, yes?

The problem is that scum likes to post helpful things, maybe even more than town does.

Often, the easiest helpful things to post are things about the setup (in this case, the setup-related stuff we've discussed is mostly flavor.) These are things equally easy for people of either alignment to analyze, so doing that kind of analysis looks surface-level pro-town and is therefore often a scum tactic.

I understand that you didn't have much to say about any of the plans, but what about scum reads or town reads or literally anything mafia-related?

You say you would post even less as scum. But your count before this post was 9-1 /in, so 8 posts. 2 of those were basically introducing yourself to the players. Then 6 of them were comments on the flavor, doing that pro-town-but-easy-for-scum thing that newbie!scum often do.

To me, that looks like you were participating the minimum amount that you hoped would make people not notice you or call you a lurker, without really actually engaging in the game of mafia we are playing at all.

[P.S. sorry, getting tunnelled is a real pain regardless of alignment and it can feel bad. So hopefully you don't take this personally. I'm just playing to my win-con right now by doing my best to find scum. Nothing against you!]
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« Reply #240 on: September 15, 2018, 09:52:35 am »

There is no norm not to lynch noobies day 1. There is a norm not to lynch noobies day 1 in their first game.

That said, WCD is one of the players I almost certainly won't vote for today

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« Reply #241 on: September 15, 2018, 09:53:54 am »

iguana is town and Awaclus is annoyingly probably town. the people to look at here are e and ... actually I don't know if anyone else is, really..

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« Reply #242 on: September 15, 2018, 09:55:25 am »

ashersky, perhaps. vote: ash

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« Reply #243 on: September 15, 2018, 10:14:20 am »

There is no norm not to lynch noobies day 1. There is a norm not to lynch noobies day 1 in their first game.

That said, WCD is one of the players I almost certainly won't vote for today

Why plz?

Also Are you trying to recreate your scum meta from emotions mafia by hard whiteknighting me again?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #244 on: September 15, 2018, 10:40:46 am »


Hhhmmm....re #139 long Igu post about me not posting much (phone quoting is hard)...
I’ll have to count when I’m on a computer but I’m reasonably sure I’m not the lowest level poster and my posts have been far longer than the one line gkrieg and silver posts.

Al of which is to say, I’m not doing nothing nor trying to be minimally engaged. And thanks for the hat tip. I’m trying not to take it personally and know you (likely) are justctrying to get me to contribute something of substance. (Again, trying. Y’all know there isn’t a users manual or instruction book, right?)

Currently, the votes on Galz and e seem to me to have the best reasoning. I can’t say that I have a real read on anyone so I’m looking at the logic others employ.

Vote: e
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« Reply #245 on: September 15, 2018, 11:32:00 am »

vote: Galz

Pretty much just for the super lurk.

That's fair lol. I'm about 50ish posts back from here - at work until 9:00pm FT today, but will get caught up tonight.
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« Reply #246 on: September 15, 2018, 12:07:58 pm »

We really should ne able to do better than lynching the newbie. vote: chairs

So you don't like lynching the newbie on principal. But aside from that, what do you think of her play?
It's like you described. I just think calling it scummy is basically arbitrary. Like DatSwan said, newbie town play the same way.
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« Reply #247 on: September 15, 2018, 12:13:47 pm »

We really should ne able to do better than lynching the newbie. vote: chairs

So you don't like lynching the newbie on principal. But aside from that, what do you think of her play?
It's like you described. I just think calling it scummy is basically arbitrary. Like DatSwan said, newbie town play the same way.
I'm not saying I would never lynch a newbie, but I think the people jumping on her wagon look scummier than she does. We did used to have a Day 1 pass for newbies, though. Been awhile.
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« Reply #248 on: September 15, 2018, 01:06:09 pm »

There is no norm not to lynch noobies day 1. There is a norm not to lynch noobies day 1 in their first game.

That said, WCD is one of the players I almost certainly won't vote for today

Why plz?
It's a secret.

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What are you talking about? When did I even suggest that you are townie?

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« Reply #250 on: September 15, 2018, 01:28:42 pm »

^^^^^
Strong words for D1, and similar to what you said D1 in emotions too.

Not calling you scum, yet. Just observing.
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« Reply #251 on: September 15, 2018, 01:31:59 pm »

We really should ne able to do better than lynching the newbie. vote: chairs

So you don't like lynching the newbie on principal. But aside from that, what do you think of her play?
It's like you described. I just think calling it scummy is basically arbitrary. Like DatSwan said, newbie town play the same way.

Sorry, this is ridiculous. Its not her first game, and at this stage in her first game (the newbie one that ended recently) she actually had content. In this one, only stuff about flavor. Its quite a difference and the obelservation isn't arbitrary at all I think.

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« Reply #252 on: September 15, 2018, 01:32:19 pm »

oh yeah I did say that. Am I wrong?

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« Reply #253 on: September 15, 2018, 01:50:11 pm »

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« Reply #254 on: September 15, 2018, 01:50:59 pm »

No, but it just looks suspicious when you solve a problem and dont share your work with the class
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« Reply #255 on: September 15, 2018, 02:11:19 pm »

I agree with the points on WCD and silver looks scummy.  Still like my vote on EFHW best though.
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« Reply #256 on: September 15, 2018, 02:12:07 pm »

No, but it just looks suspicious when you solve a problem and dont share your work with the class

if you say so.

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« Reply #257 on: September 15, 2018, 02:14:08 pm »

I don't buy EFHW being scummy, either. Her handling of WCD so far seems perfectly normal.

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« Reply #258 on: September 15, 2018, 02:19:43 pm »

i can jump on the kill new players strat. I think iguana brings up good points

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« Reply #259 on: September 15, 2018, 03:12:54 pm »

I totally disagree with all the WCD votes
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« Reply #260 on: September 15, 2018, 03:58:08 pm »

i can jump on the kill new players strat. I think iguana brings up good points

Vote:WCD

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« Reply #261 on: September 15, 2018, 03:59:55 pm »

i can jump on the kill new players strat. I think iguana brings up good points

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Why did you change from voting me to sheeping me?

I dunno. You brought up good points I thought. and there was only really one post you made that made me think you were kinda scummy. now you are cool again.
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« Reply #262 on: September 15, 2018, 04:15:26 pm »

i can jump on the kill new players strat. I think iguana brings up good points

Vote:WCD

Why did you change from voting me to sheeping me?

I dunno. You brought up good points I thought. and there was only really one post you made that made me think you were kinda scummy. now you are cool again.

Well I wish the feeling was mutual, you are definitely in my top 10 most suspicious people.
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« Reply #263 on: September 15, 2018, 04:17:18 pm »

i can jump on the kill new players strat. I think iguana brings up good points

Vote:WCD

Why did you change from voting me to sheeping me?

I dunno. You brought up good points I thought. and there was only really one post you made that made me think you were kinda scummy. now you are cool again.

Well I wish the feeling was mutual, you are definitely in my top 10 most suspicious people.

well if thats out of 13 people that is still pretty good.
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« Reply #264 on: September 15, 2018, 07:01:51 pm »

So I am just not finding anything in the shape of a reason to lynch WCD here.

Their only opinion on Igu's hypo-claim plan was:
Anyway, my plan involves HYPO-CLAIMING and is based around a weird inference I made from my knowledge of the flavor.

Anyone interested?

Only if we get to time travel

... which I honestly half read as sarcasm.



Then they post a bunch of stuff about the show (yeah I get that is kind of Igu's point, but I don't think it is nearly a good enough one to justify pushing this lynch).



Then there is this response to Awaclus' claim:

Awaclus is either town or a very bold scum for making a flavor claim in such a seemingly whimsical manner, which I think is unlikely. You're a good kid.

You, my friend, don't know Awaclus at all.
Where would he get 3 safe names to claim? Do you think he used all his team's safeclaims?

In the show, those are all the same person. So it could just be one person with several names instead of three people.

... which is again referencing Time Travel knowledge... but as they clearly have seen the show, I don't even think that is indicative of anything role-wise. And even if it was.. it wouldn't mean it had to be skummy.


Then they defend themselves when a wagon starts forming on them.


So, I mean, not towny per say... but anyone trying to claim "WCD is skummy" is reallllllllyyyyy stretching it here.
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« Reply #265 on: September 15, 2018, 07:10:21 pm »

I mean, the point is that before I called her out, she had literally zero content in like 4-5 days. How is that not scummy?

Starting to feel crazy here. Everyone always discredits my cases and sometimes they really are bad but this one does not seem to be.
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« Reply #266 on: September 15, 2018, 07:12:42 pm »

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« Reply #267 on: September 15, 2018, 07:24:39 pm »

I mean, the point is that before I called her out, she had literally zero content in like 4-5 days. How is that not scummy?

Starting to feel crazy here. Everyone always discredits my cases and sometimes they really are bad but this one does not seem to be.

We started on 9/11. I got mod-slapped later that day. I was just got back from a conference and am busy elsewhere in the forum and my life, too.  Today is 9/15. I have defending myself today since this morning so at most there is 3 days of little content beyond flavor. During those three days when you proposed a plan and then we waited for Ash, then he posted a plan a day later.  No one was doing much during those three days. That seems a pretty specific standard that others aren’t being held to.

I get that I’m an easy target. Lynch me if you must, but I’m not scum, and I think anyone who looks closely is going to wonder why you expect me to come up with some great insight that no one else is coming up with nor expected to come up with.
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« Reply #268 on: September 15, 2018, 07:26:15 pm »

i can jump on the kill new players strat. I think iguana brings up good points

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« Reply #269 on: September 15, 2018, 07:29:48 pm »

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« Reply #270 on: September 15, 2018, 07:35:12 pm »

I mean, the point is that before I called her out, she had literally zero content in like 4-5 days. How is that not scummy?

Starting to feel crazy here. Everyone always discredits my cases and sometimes they really are bad but this one does not seem to be.

Are you not one of the vets that uses the dumb argument "f.ds doesn't lynch players based on lurking"?

Also, while I am not going at it in attempts to dis-credit your case, I would like to point out:

1) (re-point out) my previous point about the similarity it had to my first RMM game.

2) The fact that you have once again, or are at least claiming to of (to have? to of? - chairs will correct me whatever)... done the "drawing a line in the sand thing" with your hypo-claim
idea... it just strikes me as odd that you would want to select someone who really did not give an opinion to your idea. Wouldn't the point of drawing said line be to lynch an opinionated connected player to the idea in order to attempt to gain reads on other players?

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« Reply #271 on: September 15, 2018, 07:43:59 pm »


Hhhmmm....re #139 long Igu post about me not posting much (phone quoting is hard)...
I’ll have to count when I’m on a computer but I’m reasonably sure I’m not the lowest level poster and my posts have been far longer than the one line gkrieg and silver posts.

Al of which is to say, I’m not doing nothing nor trying to be minimally engaged. And thanks for the hat tip. I’m trying not to take it personally and know you (likely) are justctrying to get me to contribute something of substance. (Again, trying. Y’all know there isn’t a users manual or instruction book, right?)

Currently, the votes on Galz and e seem to me to have the best reasoning. I can’t say that I have a real read on anyone so I’m looking at the logic others employ.

Vote: e

OK - So I am trying super hard to TR you here... but are you, in the same post, trying to defend your lack of content play and also saying you find the solo vote on Galz (which literally says, "because they are lurking")?
Please elaborate on why you think Galz is a good vote?
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« Reply #272 on: September 15, 2018, 07:46:24 pm »

@DatSwan

Re: not lynching lurkers.

If you have a lurker who is obviously busy IRL but their few contributions are towny, its bad to lynch them. When Hydrad is obv!town is a good example. I am arguing that the small amount of content from WCD is more scummy.

About your first RMM, fair point. But this isnt WCD's first ever game and she had more content in said first game (albeit with a simple setup and other noobs)

About the plan reaction, to me not reacting at all until called out is the scummiest possible reaction.

If anyone could talk me down, mayve its you DS. But if not WCD where should I be spending my energy in your opinion?
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« Reply #273 on: September 15, 2018, 07:51:26 pm »

I mean, the point is that before I called her out, she had literally zero content in like 4-5 days. How is that not scummy?

Starting to feel crazy here. Everyone always discredits my cases and sometimes they really are bad but this one does not seem to be.

We started on 9/11. I got mod-slapped later that day. I was just got back from a conference and am busy elsewhere in the forum and my life, too.  Today is 9/15. I have defending myself today since this morning so at most there is 3 days of little content beyond flavor. During those three days when you proposed a plan and then we waited for Ash, then he posted a plan a day later.  No one was doing much during those three days. That seems a pretty specific standard that others aren’t being held to.

I get that I’m an easy target. Lynch me if you must, but I’m not scum, and I think anyone who looks closely is going to wonder why you expect me to come up with some great insight that no one else is coming up with nor expected to come up with.

Still kinda waiting on you to prove me wrong. Esp if I was wrong on # of days then you have time to do so
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« Reply #274 on: September 15, 2018, 08:20:48 pm »

@DatSwan

Re: not lynching lurkers.

If you have a lurker who is obviously busy IRL but their few contributions are towny, its bad to lynch them. When Hydrad is obv!town is a good example. I am arguing that the small amount of content from WCD is more scummy.

About your first RMM, fair point. But this isnt WCD's first ever game and she had more content in said first game (albeit with a simple setup and other noobs)

About the plan reaction, to me not reacting at all until called out is the scummiest possible reaction.

If anyone could talk me down, mayve its you DS. But if not WCD where should I be spending my energy in your opinion?

I am working on the last part rn. I will let you know when I have my opinion sorted out.
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« Reply #275 on: September 15, 2018, 08:22:18 pm »

If I was Bart the SK, then it would be clear what to do, and the time to do it would be night 1.

vote: e for being uncharacteristically unreasonable

Uncharacteristically? This is one of my better early D1 cases

Forget the case. You should do the plan.

False. The time too do it would be N2, if at all

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #276 on: September 15, 2018, 08:50:43 pm »

Sorry I’m behind, basically weekends are net free nowadays.  Have only read through page 10 (default setting) and won’t be able to read more now.  Will catch up in the next day.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #277 on: September 15, 2018, 08:54:24 pm »

K. Done with my list. Won't be around tomorrow really that much. And deadline is at like 4am my time, but I will be around the day right before for like the whole day.

I cannot find someone that I really like... mainly due to lack of participation by experienced players (which is weird bc no Robz).

It comes down to [WCD, Silver, 2.7].

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« Reply #278 on: September 15, 2018, 08:56:39 pm »

DatSwan seems townie.
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« Reply #279 on: September 15, 2018, 09:54:19 pm »


I cannot find someone that I really like... mainly due to lack of participation by experienced players (which is weird bc no Robz).

This is what I was trying to say earlier. I’m not sure why I’m being held to a meaningful contribution standard when almost no else is.

I’m away for a wine tasting weekend today and tomorrow, so a real reread will have to wait.
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« Reply #280 on: September 15, 2018, 10:13:23 pm »

[quote author=iguanaiguana link=topic=18935.msg769634#msg769634 date=1537055486

Still kinda waiting on you to prove me wrong. Esp if I was wrong on # of days then you have time to do so
[/quote]

I’ve got husband stuff going on today and tomorrow. I’m under the impression that others are away on weekends so that’s okay, yes? I just have my phone so trying to go back and read is hard.

This is my first RMM game. The other that I played was a newbie game and both silver and Faust were playing, and sharing lots of their thought process so it was MUCH easier for me to follow their lead and put stuff together to meaningfully contribute. That is not happening in this game and the roles are much more opaque. Many of folks reads are what they know of players previously and how they are acting now. Obviously I can’t do that.
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« Reply #281 on: September 15, 2018, 11:08:53 pm »


Hhhmmm....re #139 long Igu post about me not posting much (phone quoting is hard)...
I’ll have to count when I’m on a computer but I’m reasonably sure I’m not the lowest level poster and my posts have been far longer than the one line gkrieg and silver posts.

Al of which is to say, I’m not doing nothing nor trying to be minimally engaged. And thanks for the hat tip. I’m trying not to take it personally and know you (likely) are justctrying to get me to contribute something of substance. (Again, trying. Y’all know there isn’t a users manual or instruction book, right?)

Currently, the votes on Galz and e seem to me to have the best reasoning. I can’t say that I have a real read on anyone so I’m looking at the logic others employ.

Vote: e

OK - So I am trying super hard to TR you here... but are you, in the same post, trying to defend your lack of content play and also saying you find the solo vote on Galz (which literally says, "because they are lurking")?
Please elaborate on why you think Galz is a good vote?

TR?

The arguments for many folks seem to be “this is different/same as usual” and the folks who said that about him and e, leaned on both low engagement and the nature of their content. I’m still unsure how much we Dan actually expect in the weekend, though, so I expect that we’ll hear more from townie kinds of folks, and perhaps less from scummy ones, on Monday.

I’ve been a bit adrift because other than the discussion of plans, there has been little else other than references to history. So it still RVS to me even though I know that time had passed.
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« Reply #282 on: September 15, 2018, 11:15:52 pm »


Hhhmmm....re #139 long Igu post about me not posting much (phone quoting is hard)...
I’ll have to count when I’m on a computer but I’m reasonably sure I’m not the lowest level poster and my posts have been far longer than the one line gkrieg and silver posts.

Al of which is to say, I’m not doing nothing nor trying to be minimally engaged. And thanks for the hat tip. I’m trying not to take it personally and know you (likely) are justctrying to get me to contribute something of substance. (Again, trying. Y’all know there isn’t a users manual or instruction book, right?)

Currently, the votes on Galz and e seem to me to have the best reasoning. I can’t say that I have a real read on anyone so I’m looking at the logic others employ.

Vote: e




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« Reply #283 on: September 16, 2018, 04:56:19 am »

If anyone could talk me down, mayve its you DS. But if not WCD where should I be spending my energy in your opinion?

Just trust me on this. The last time I scumread a newbie while I was town was in my last town game, it was simon, and I was very confident that he was scum, and he was scum. If WCS is scum, I'll let you know.

Here is a list of poeple we should lynch out of: Galzria, gkrieg13, DatSwan, Hydrad, Morgrim7, chairs, 2.71828....., ashersky

None of them is particularly scummy, but that's just beceause no-one so far is particularly scummy. So far there's only townie people. All the wagons atm are silly.

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« Reply #284 on: September 16, 2018, 06:36:42 am »

I'm seeing more scumminess now. vote: WCD
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« Reply #285 on: September 16, 2018, 06:42:26 am »

On second thought, vote: silver.
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« Reply #286 on: September 16, 2018, 07:05:19 am »

Trying to catch up.. may take till late tonight UK time because I still have three houseguests. Igu being defensive seems townie I think. I haven't read about the most recent 30 posts or something, but have to go out again now...
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #287 on: September 16, 2018, 08:17:12 am »

Vote count 1.5

Morgrim7 (1):, SpaceAnemone
iguanaiguana (1): Hydrad
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WestCoastDidds (2): iguanaiguana, chairs
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« Reply #288 on: September 16, 2018, 09:02:18 am »

vote: silverspawn so much newbie defense. L-3.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #289 on: September 16, 2018, 09:18:39 am »

Not gonna lie... I want to vote silver straight up just for telling me 'I will tell you when it is OK to lynch WCD.'

Hey silver, where in your role did you see Iguana is your second vote?

Here's my problem. silver wagon is a bit scummy.
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« Reply #290 on: September 16, 2018, 09:23:39 am »

@WCD, the best I can say is if you really are town and you don't like how other people are scumhunting, find your own way to scumhunt. Theres no need to feel beholden to what others are doing.

I get that weekends are busy for you though. Its the opposite for me RN.
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« Reply #291 on: September 16, 2018, 09:24:30 am »

Vote: 2.71828...
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« Reply #292 on: September 16, 2018, 09:51:39 am »

Vote: 2.71828...
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« Reply #293 on: September 16, 2018, 10:14:18 am »

unvote

After rereading, the case against silver is a lot weaker than I thought it was. His first few (serious) posts are boldly supporting the flavorclaim plan, something that I don't think pushes him either way on the scum radar. From the offset it seems that the scum's first instinct would be to not support the plan, because they 1) don't want to bother thinking of a believable townie flavor to claim, 2) don't want to have to worry about someone else having that flavor, and 3) don't gain too much from the info regarding who has a PR from flavor claims because there are probably a lot of PRs here. However, he probably correctly recognized that this plan was never going to go to fruition, so there was little danger in supporting it as scum and little hope in supporting it as town. Thus, his reaction doesn't give him town points or scum points imo.

Then there is his defense of WCD, which makes a lot of sense to me. The only real case against WCD is that his content was below average near the beginning of the game, for which he gave a pretty legitimate excuse. Aside from that, he has...not supported his own wagon? idek

He has a TR on iguana which I don't think is necessarily far fetched. Iguana had a pretty strange and oddly specific SK plan but has been pretty townish since then? I guess? (ppe: I don't agree with the e votes but iguana isn't that scummy for it imo)

He voted for ashes which I am pretty inclined to do at this point.

He correctly said that EFHW was right about WCD.


yeah maybe a little scummy but not enough to warrant a wagon like this
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #294 on: September 16, 2018, 10:29:32 am »

Caught up, didn’t miss anything, did I?

There is little to base reads on.  Will vote anyone I didn’t town read earlier.

Happy to sheep Morg actually.

Too quiet Galz is town!galz.  Like me, he can’t help but be hyper-active as scum.  Unless that’s changed about him?
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« Reply #295 on: September 16, 2018, 10:33:52 am »

Vote: 2.71828...
You're joining the wagon your top scumread started.

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« Reply #296 on: September 16, 2018, 11:05:00 am »

Hi ashes.

I might be stupid and missing context, but
Does scum oppose a clearly scum-helping plan?  Do they support it to help it gain traction?  Depends on the player, of course.
is ashes calling his own plan "clearly scum-helping", or iguana's? If he was referring to his own, was it a bait? And if it was a bait, does he think Awaclus I are scummy for supporting it?

Plz respond
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« Reply #297 on: September 16, 2018, 12:49:27 pm »

Vote: 2.71828...
You're joining the wagon your top scumread started.

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« Reply #298 on: September 16, 2018, 01:14:01 pm »

Vote: 2.71828...
You're joining the wagon your top scumread started.

couldn't do that unless my top scum read is self-voting
WCD isn't your top scum read anymore? What put e up there?

my inactivity?
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« Reply #299 on: September 16, 2018, 01:17:44 pm »

So, about iguana.  I kind of laughed to myself a bit at this post

I dunno e, I feel like you put me in your scumbucket already so it doesn't matter what I tell you, but FWIW I am, without hesitation, pursuing my current 'plan' of waiting to see what Ash has got to say before I share my opinions on people's reactions to what I've said.

because nothing could be further from the truth.  I was actually town-reading you at that point but maintaining my "scum" read and vote to see if anyone else would jump on the wagon and vote against your plan.  I still don't like the plan, but was just trying to see what I could learn.  Nothing came of it (no one felt like wagoning iguana), which is interesting in itself, but that is that. 

Iguana's defense later on (those blocks of posts) also felt very townie to me.
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« Reply #300 on: September 16, 2018, 03:21:31 pm »

OoO I wasn't expecting that from e....
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« Reply #301 on: September 16, 2018, 03:21:43 pm »

ah my vote didn't count

Vote: WCD
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« Reply #302 on: September 16, 2018, 03:25:16 pm »

ah my vote didn't count

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« Reply #303 on: September 16, 2018, 03:46:18 pm »

ah my vote didn't count

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #304 on: September 16, 2018, 06:45:23 pm »

ah my vote didn't count

Vote: WCD

Don't you trust me?

Man this is just super scummy. vote: silver
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« Reply #305 on: September 16, 2018, 06:56:27 pm »

People keep doing something I wasnt expecting to upset my scumreads. Take a look at Space yall. They could be scum.

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« Reply #306 on: September 16, 2018, 07:19:26 pm »

Hi ashes.

I might be stupid and missing context, but
Does scum oppose a clearly scum-helping plan?  Do they support it to help it gain traction?  Depends on the player, of course.
is ashes calling his own plan "clearly scum-helping", or iguana's? If he was referring to his own, was it a bait? And if it was a bait, does he think Awaclus I are scummy for supporting it?

Plz respond

I meant it in the hypothetical, although I expected my flavorclaim plan to get a lot more resistance and for me to get a lot more negative reactions for suggesting it. 

I mean, a few player have focused on the risk, which is helping scum a bunch.  But even if a plan only seems to help scum, does scum decide to support it?  That was my thought process.

As for my plans — they’re both cool and all, but my actual plan was to have everyone talk about plans so as to scumhunt based on what people said and how they reacted.  It a sense, it didn’t work because it’s only given me some strong town reads, but it also works for POE.

For the record, I think Morgrim is towny for the way he responded.  I think Awaclus is less so because he went second.  Could be scum following town to get the ball rolling and gaining more info.

I would think scum has provided fake names or ambiguous enough real names for them to want to do this.
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« Reply #307 on: September 16, 2018, 07:38:37 pm »

vote: chairs
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #308 on: September 17, 2018, 12:56:17 am »

Caught up, didn’t miss anything, did I?

There is little to base reads on.  Will vote anyone I didn’t town read earlier.

Happy to sheep Morg actually.

Too quiet Galz is town!galz.  Like me, he can’t help but be hyper-active as scum.  Unless that’s changed about him?

It’s changed.
Quiet Galz = strong PR or skum.
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« Reply #309 on: September 17, 2018, 03:53:47 am »

ah my vote didn't count

Vote: WCD

Don't you trust me?

Man this is just super scummy. vote: silver

You have some strange ideas of what scum does.

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« Reply #310 on: September 17, 2018, 05:24:26 am »

Vote count 1.6

Morgrim7 (1):, SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Hydrad
silverspawn (5): Awaclus, 2.71828....., EFHW, chairs, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
ashersky (1): silverspawn
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SpaceAnemone (1): iguanaiguana
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« Reply #311 on: September 17, 2018, 06:09:02 am »

Chairs, if you’re on bud, say something!

His only two posts in the last like four pages was jumping on both the WCD and Silver wagons with little to no explanation.
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« Reply #312 on: September 17, 2018, 07:00:13 am »

We really need to start consolidating votes. I'm open to voting chairs.
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« Reply #313 on: September 17, 2018, 07:02:36 am »

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« Reply #314 on: September 17, 2018, 07:56:32 am »

We only have 24 hours left until day one ends, people. I'm guessing that silver will end up being lynched which I guess I am okay with at this point, but I would rather lynch chairs. Or galz.

Also I am very impressed with you guys for not mislynching me yet, usually that has happened by now
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« Reply #315 on: September 17, 2018, 07:56:52 am »

vote: chairs is reasonable


Agreed, vote: chairs
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« Reply #316 on: September 17, 2018, 08:00:10 am »

Vote: chairs
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« Reply #317 on: September 17, 2018, 08:06:31 am »

Vote count 1.7

Morgrim7 (1):, SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Hydrad
silverspawn (5): Awaclus, 2.71828....., EFHW, chairs, gkrieg13
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« Reply #318 on: September 17, 2018, 08:24:32 am »

Sorry, my weekends are really bad for September. I’m not sure as I have much to say, though - I was intrigued by e’s claim that e had already townread iguana and was faking a scum read for the interactions - that annoys me a little as I tend to trust in upfront Town play mostly, but I can’t be too mad because 1) it does sound like town!e, and 2) I have definitely mislead as Town before, to the benefit of my team. I would vote for silver what with the don’t you trust me line which is super scummy sounding to me, but I’m already doing that! I’m feeling Town on galz, Town on efhw, scum on ash, scum on as, kind of neutral on everyone else. I wish galz had put down his vote but this does fit what I remember of him as Town hence the Town read

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« Reply #319 on: September 17, 2018, 08:29:57 am »

I’m feeling Town on galz, Town on efhw, scum on ash, scum on as, kind of neutral on everyone else.

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« Reply #320 on: September 17, 2018, 08:32:17 am »

I could be a mason with ash and still find him scum some days lol

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« Reply #321 on: September 17, 2018, 09:44:06 am »

We only have 24 hours left until day one ends, people. I'm guessing that silver will end up being lynched which I guess I am okay with at this point, but I would rather lynch chairs. Or galz.

Also I am very impressed with you guys for not mislynching me yet, usually that has happened by now

I don't think I was ever particularly close to being lynched. Every game has a day 1 silver wagon, and it's always for reasons that, if they correlate with my alignment, do so negatively rather than positively. I don't think I've literally ever been lynched day 1 when I was scum, but a few times when I was town.

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« Reply #322 on: September 17, 2018, 09:44:46 am »

Sorry, my weekends are really bad for September. I’m not sure as I have much to say, though - I was intrigued by e’s claim that e had already townread iguana and was faking a scum read for the interactions - that annoys me a little as I tend to trust in upfront Town play mostly, but I can’t be too mad because 1) it does sound like town!e, and 2) I have definitely mislead as Town before, to the benefit of my team. I would vote for silver what with the don’t you trust me line which is super scummy sounding to me, but I’m already doing that! I’m feeling Town on galz, Town on efhw, scum on ash, scum on as, kind of neutral on everyone else. I wish galz had put down his vote but this does fit what I remember of him as Town hence the Town read

I have a hard time believing that you and gkrieg could possibly think this is a thing that I do as scum but not as town. Or anyone does as scum but not as town. Since gkrieg was hte one who said that first, it makes me feel worse about you.

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« Reply #323 on: September 17, 2018, 09:48:06 am »

Okay, Iguana...I am not crazy!  I am not the lowest contributing member.  You are outpacing everyone, but I am not at the bottom and I have a reasonable number of longer posts. I also think the high number of one and two line posts in this game make it especially hard for someone without much sense of history to take a position or get a read.

This is mostly, correct, I think. Through #320, starting when D1 flavor began, not counting mod posts.

50 posts, Iguanaiguana, 7 longer than 3 lines
29 posts, Silverspawn, 2 longer than 3 lines
26 posts, EFHW, 1 longer than 3 lines
18 posts, 2.71828..., 2 longer than 3 lines
16 posts, gkrieg, none longer than 3 lines
16 posts, Datswan, 5 longer than 3 lines
16 posts, Mogrim, 6 longer than 3 lines
15 posts, WCD, 6 longer than 3 lines
15 posts, Ashersky, 7 longer than 3 lines
14 posts, Space, 5 longer than 3 lines
13 posts, Hydrad, 2 longer than 3 lines
10 posts, chairs, 1 longer than 3 lines
9 posts, Awaclus, none longer than 3 lines
8 posts, Galz, 1 longer than 3 lines

130 posts have been only one line or less
57 have been 2 lines
24 have been 3 lines
45 have been longer than three lines

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« Reply #324 on: September 17, 2018, 10:02:56 am »

We only have 24 hours left until day one ends, people. I'm guessing that silver will end up being lynched which I guess I am okay with at this point, but I would rather lynch chairs. Or galz.

Also I am very impressed with you guys for not mislynching me yet, usually that has happened by now

I don't think I was ever particularly close to being lynched. Every game has a day 1 silver wagon, and it's always for reasons that, if they correlate with my alignment, do so negatively rather than positively. I don't think I've literally ever been lynched day 1 when I was scum, but a few times when I was town.

If nobody changes their votes in the next 20ish hours, you're gonna be lynched. I would say that is pretty close. Unlikely to happen (for better or for worse), but close nonetheless.
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« Reply #325 on: September 17, 2018, 10:03:18 am »

Oh didds, that’s not what he means by contributing. A good scum tactic is to talk a lot but say very little which is what he’s accusing you of doing.

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« Reply #326 on: September 17, 2018, 10:10:34 am »

Oh didds, that’s not what he means by contributing. A good scum tactic is to talk a lot but say very little which is what he’s accusing you of doing.

I get that, but he was calling me out for uniquely not contributing. I KNOW that I dodn't have very much to say because I am having a hard time figuring out what's going on sometimes and there are so many posts that are just a few words or references to persona. All I am saying is that I am not alone in not having much to say, and that I am at least trying to figure it out as I go. I am not sure that you or Glaz or Awaclus can say the same thing.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #327 on: September 17, 2018, 10:14:17 am »

Why don't you try doing a targeted reread? Pick a player, paraphrase/summarize their contributions and think about the overall impression they leave you with. Post this process as way of being helpful to town.
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« Reply #328 on: September 17, 2018, 10:39:08 am »

Why don't you try doing a targeted reread? Pick a player, paraphrase/summarize their contributions and think about the overall impression they leave you with. Post this process as way of being helpful to town.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #329 on: September 17, 2018, 10:40:06 am »

Why don't you try doing a targeted reread? Pick a player, paraphrase/summarize their contributions and think about the overall impression they leave you with. Post this process as way of being helpful to town.

Thanks for the direction. Much appreciated. On my next break....

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« Reply #330 on: September 17, 2018, 10:53:37 am »

I could be a mason with ash and still find him scum some days lol

This. Ash is ALWAYS scum, especially when he's about to flip town.
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« Reply #331 on: September 17, 2018, 10:55:17 am »

Why don't you try doing a targeted reread? Pick a player, paraphrase/summarize their contributions and think about the overall impression they leave you with. Post this process as way of being helpful to town.

Thanks for the direction. Much appreciated. On my next break....

But not you, Mogrim! You have too many confusing long posts!

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« Reply #332 on: September 17, 2018, 11:26:53 am »

I would be willing to lynch chairs or silverspawn, prefer silverspawn.
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« Reply #333 on: September 17, 2018, 01:13:44 pm »

Home all day - Email is closed - All work related things turned off - 100% dedicated to the 150'ish posts that I haven't read thusfar and getting caught up and good to go. Last week was the final week of 30% of my staff being out of Country, and things should get back to normal for me going forward. Weekends will still be a permanent VLA for me - but I should have time most weekdays once again.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
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« Reply #334 on: September 17, 2018, 01:21:14 pm »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #335 on: September 17, 2018, 01:28:09 pm »

We only have 24 hours left until day one ends, people. I'm guessing that silver will end up being lynched which I guess I am okay with at this point, but I would rather lynch chairs. Or galz.

Also I am very impressed with you guys for not mislynching me yet, usually that has happened by now

I don't think I was ever particularly close to being lynched. Every game has a day 1 silver wagon, and it's always for reasons that, if they correlate with my alignment, do so negatively rather than positively. I don't think I've literally ever been lynched day 1 when I was scum, but a few times when I was town.

If nobody changes their votes in the next 20ish hours, you're gonna be lynched. I would say that is pretty close. Unlikely to happen (for better or for worse), but close nonetheless.

I mean I'm not particularly close to getting lynched, as in not any closer than any other day 1. But yes, people should change their votes, and reasonable people like e should stop being silly.

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« Reply #336 on: September 17, 2018, 01:34:05 pm »

D1 silver lynching is equally lame to ash lynching. silver is a catch him D3 kind of scum.

Of course by then usually he killed the people who were gunna catch him...
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #337 on: September 17, 2018, 01:51:50 pm »

I think I'm almost 100% at reading ash, and this seems like town!ash so far.  Get close to lynching him and I will know for sure.
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« Reply #338 on: September 17, 2018, 02:20:18 pm »

Caught up, going into responding mode. I promise no order or sense to anything that follows.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #339 on: September 17, 2018, 02:28:25 pm »

First off... WCD has like, super townie responses to Iguana... and I'm really struggling with Iguana's continued scum read on her.

Like, ok, I KIND of get what Iguana was pushing early on during the whole back-and-forth, but, like Datswan, I feel like he arbitrarily picked her from a list of people that had null/weak responses to his plan. That's fine, I guess - if you want to start somewhere, you've got to pick someone. I just feel like Iguana made the decision that she was the scummiest person to react, and then continued to tunnel her, even as she responded point by point to him. His final "Still waiting for you to prove me wrong... [on that not being scummy]" was just like... a total confirmation bias type thing to say.

End of the day, I guess - I don't see Iguana as crazy scummy for his continued push on WCD, I think he comes across more as tunneling town. At least, I don't really see a need for scum here to continue to push and push and push at a single player D1 like he has done with WCD. I also find WCD's responses to be very townie. She reads frustrated that her attempts to contribute in the only meaningful way she feels capable at this time are being called out.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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« Reply #340 on: September 17, 2018, 02:30:57 pm »

i can jump on the kill new players strat. I think iguana brings up good points

Vote:WCD

Second, and on the topic of WCD/Iguana, this is, by far, the scummiest post in the entire game, and I'm surprised that nobody to this point has brought this up. It just reeks as opportunistic.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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« Reply #341 on: September 17, 2018, 02:34:11 pm »

Gotta keep up Galz. Obv I'm not voting or tunneling her anymore so I may well agree shes towny
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #342 on: September 17, 2018, 02:39:50 pm »

I want to jump on the lunch all Hydrads strat Galz is somewhat suggesting here.

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« Reply #343 on: September 17, 2018, 02:40:42 pm »

Next item - Silver has had a lot going on around him, but I'm not sure that he's scum:

Last game I played with him, he was scum, and I correctly read him as scum D1. The gist of my case against him was that he was subtly trying to direct town. Here, he also has posts where he seems to be attempting to direct players opinions... but I find it to be much more forward, and much less subtle. Silver said at the end of his scum game that what I was reading in him D1 wasn't because he was scum, but it was just that I didn't understand they Bayesian style of his speech... but honestly, I don't feel like that's correct - or at least, I definitely see a difference between this game and that one. I just feel like when he was scum, he was very subtle in what he said/did, and that's not really the case here. I think he's getting in trouble for the same things - but I think it's a false positive read that others are picking up on.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #344 on: September 17, 2018, 02:41:16 pm »

VOTE EARLY VOTE OFTEN, CITIZENS!

I’m not gonna change my vote atm though because aren’t we close to deadline?

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« Reply #345 on: September 17, 2018, 02:41:34 pm »

Gotta keep up Galz. Obv I'm not voting or tunneling her anymore so I may well agree shes towny

You're not longer voting her, true. I am caught up - you haven't exactly given the impression that you're town reading her at this point though.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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« Reply #346 on: September 17, 2018, 02:41:58 pm »

I want to jump on the lunch all Hydrads strat Galz is somewhat suggesting here.

Right. Sorry - meant to put that in there.

Vote: Hydrad
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Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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« Reply #347 on: September 17, 2018, 02:43:59 pm »

Eh we still got time.

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« Reply #348 on: September 17, 2018, 02:44:21 pm »

iguana is town

This is an accurate statement.

Vote: silverspawn

This is also scummy to me - mostly because from Silver, it was obviously an opinion. From 2.7, it's stated as fact.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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« Reply #349 on: September 17, 2018, 02:49:16 pm »

vote: hydrad is a wagon I can believe in
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« Reply #350 on: September 17, 2018, 02:51:15 pm »

unvote

After rereading, the case against silver is a lot weaker than I thought it was. His first few (serious) posts are boldly supporting the flavorclaim plan, something that I don't think pushes him either way on the scum radar. From the offset it seems that the scum's first instinct would be to not support the plan, because they 1) don't want to bother thinking of a believable townie flavor to claim, 2) don't want to have to worry about someone else having that flavor, and 3) don't gain too much from the info regarding who has a PR from flavor claims because there are probably a lot of PRs here. However, he probably correctly recognized that this plan was never going to go to fruition, so there was little danger in supporting it as scum and little hope in supporting it as town. Thus, his reaction doesn't give him town points or scum points imo.

Then there is his defense of WCD, which makes a lot of sense to me. The only real case against WCD is that his content was below average near the beginning of the game, for which he gave a pretty legitimate excuse. Aside from that, he has...not supported his own wagon? idek

He has a TR on iguana which I don't think is necessarily far fetched. Iguana had a pretty strange and oddly specific SK plan but has been pretty townish since then? I guess? (ppe: I don't agree with the e votes but iguana isn't that scummy for it imo)

He voted for ashes which I am pretty inclined to do at this point.

He correctly said that EFHW was right about WCD.


yeah maybe a little scummy but not enough to warrant a wagon like this

Notes on this, because it struck me at the time of reading it:

1) Scum are probably provided with fake-claims. This is standard practice these days in flavor games as to not give town an unfair advantage for exactly this reason.

2) See 1)

3) This is likely false, although I get the premise in which you are going for. While there are "many players" (and thus "many PR's") for scum to choose from when making a night kill, knowing the flavors of town can definitely help them have an educated guess on who's PR's are better than others. Add in any number of other factors (blocking, redirecting, etc) - and it's definitely in scum's favor to obtain as much knowledge as they can, as early as they can.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #351 on: September 17, 2018, 02:51:40 pm »

Vote count 1.8

Morgrim7 (1):, SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Hydrad
silverspawn (3): Awaclus, EFHW, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
chairs (4): Morgrim7, silverspawn, WestCoastDidds, iguanaiguana
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Not voting (1): ashersky

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends, Tuesday, 18th of September, at 7am. This is in 17 hours
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« Reply #352 on: September 17, 2018, 02:55:56 pm »

I agree with the points on WCD and silver looks scummy.  Still like my vote on EFHW best though.

Gkrieg has also touched me as being off, and I haven't really been able to put a finger on it - but it's likely that I've felt that he's trying to play both sides. Like here, finding the points against WCD good, but also finding Silver scummy. I'm not saying that he can't do those things both at the same time - but he doesn't explore his opinions here, he just states them, and seems to state them in a way that plays up both people that are kinda being scum read.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #353 on: September 17, 2018, 02:56:51 pm »

I don't think any plan suggested has been clearly scum-helping. Not if clearly means that almost all players would agree if they were honest.

Which is not to say that reactions aren't alignment indicative.

Let's lynch Awaclus vote: Awaclus

I can't tell if this from you is scummy or townie.  I think it is one of those two, but I don't remember.

Here's another example of the "both sides" kinda thing. And I get this was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but it just rubs me wrong.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #354 on: September 17, 2018, 02:59:20 pm »

K. Done with my list. Won't be around tomorrow really that much. And deadline is at like 4am my time, but I will be around the day right before for like the whole day.

I cannot find someone that I really like... mainly due to lack of participation by experienced players (which is weird bc no Robz).

It comes down to [WCD, Silver, 2.7].

I would like an answer from 2.7 before I decide.

I would like you to give more reasons for your list here - as it seemed like you were in the defending side of WCD previously, so it's strange to see her in your list here.
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Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #355 on: September 17, 2018, 03:00:56 pm »

Space seems townie this game.

Space has very little, and forgettable (sorry Space!), content. Does this make them townie?
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Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Total Wins: 30
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« Reply #356 on: September 17, 2018, 03:03:18 pm »

And now, for a bit, I'm going to find either a coffee or a beer, whichever I come across first.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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« Reply #357 on: September 17, 2018, 03:05:21 pm »

Get a coffee stout, then you don’t have to decide!

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #358 on: September 17, 2018, 03:09:02 pm »

1) Scum are probably provided with fake-claims. This is standard practice these days in flavor games as to not give town an unfair advantage for exactly this reason.

If this is a thing, that changes my opinion on the plan and my read on awaclus a lot. Claiming right after I claimed seems like scum trying to earn free town cred and to trigger a mass flavor claim. I would vote for him if we had more time, but oop

I would rather lynch silver or chairs than hydrad. I wouldn't be opposed to lynching gkrieg or awa.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #359 on: September 17, 2018, 03:09:29 pm »

I second the coffee stout.

I’m way more jammed up at work than I anticipated so I won’t be around until later. Apologies.
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« Reply #360 on: September 17, 2018, 03:21:24 pm »

Hmm a wagon is forming on me. That's bad as I'm obviously town. Anyways I'm here till about 5 hours before deadline but not at deadline.

I'll go Vote: chairs to get a desperate second lynch off.

But nah in seriousness if no one wants wcd I'm fine with a chairs lynch. It's not like I'm jumping to the biggest wagon I can or anything
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #361 on: September 17, 2018, 04:06:48 pm »

Space seems townie this game.

Space has very little, and forgettable (sorry Space!), content. Does this make them townie?

Well, the content they did have was townie.  Doesn't quite seem like scum Space to me yet, but they aren't a town read for me anymore.
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« Reply #362 on: September 17, 2018, 04:08:11 pm »

I agree with the points on WCD and silver looks scummy.  Still like my vote on EFHW best though.

Gkrieg has also touched me as being off, and I haven't really been able to put a finger on it - but it's likely that I've felt that he's trying to play both sides. Like here, finding the points against WCD good, but also finding Silver scummy. I'm not saying that he can't do those things both at the same time - but he doesn't explore his opinions here, he just states them, and seems to state them in a way that plays up both people that are kinda being scum read.

It's scummy when you don't pick a side, it isn't scummy when you find someone scummy but still think they would try to make a valid D1 case on someone, even if that person is a partner, which is fully what I expect scum!silver to do.
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« Reply #363 on: September 17, 2018, 04:08:54 pm »

I don't think any plan suggested has been clearly scum-helping. Not if clearly means that almost all players would agree if they were honest.

Which is not to say that reactions aren't alignment indicative.

Let's lynch Awaclus vote: Awaclus

I can't tell if this from you is scummy or townie.  I think it is one of those two, but I don't remember.

Here's another example of the "both sides" kinda thing. And I get this was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but it just rubs me wrong.

I just legitimately don't remember if silver tunnels Awaclus as town or as scum more.
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« Reply #364 on: September 17, 2018, 04:19:41 pm »

I don't think any plan suggested has been clearly scum-helping. Not if clearly means that almost all players would agree if they were honest.

Which is not to say that reactions aren't alignment indicative.

Let's lynch Awaclus vote: Awaclus

I can't tell if this from you is scummy or townie.  I think it is one of those two, but I don't remember.

Here's another example of the "both sides" kinda thing. And I get this was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but it just rubs me wrong.

I just legitimately don't remember if silver tunnels Awaclus as town or as scum more.
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« Reply #365 on: September 17, 2018, 04:25:39 pm »

Next item - Silver has had a lot going on around him, but I'm not sure that he's scum:

Last game I played with him, he was scum, and I correctly read him as scum D1. The gist of my case against him was that he was subtly trying to direct town. Here, he also has posts where he seems to be attempting to direct players opinions... but I find it to be much more forward, and much less subtle. Silver said at the end of his scum game that what I was reading in him D1 wasn't because he was scum, but it was just that I didn't understand they Bayesian style of his speech... but honestly, I don't feel like that's correct - or at least, I definitely see a difference between this game and that one. I just feel like when he was scum, he was very subtle in what he said/did, and that's not really the case here. I think he's getting in trouble for the same things - but I think it's a false positive read that others are picking up on.

I think you're wrong about that the things you pointed out in your day 1 case were scum indicative, but probably correct about my bluntness being town indicative. Of course I said in the past that I think of this as a reliable tell for me, and I have definitely tried to emulate that as scum in the past, but even so I think it's still a valid tell. Also, regardless of what exactly it is that I do differently as scum and town, "feels different" is a reasonable starting point.

I also think that I am pretty hard to read, but nonetheless, town recently does a particularly terrible job at it. I feel like I'm lynched relatively more often as town than scum. as soon as I get my program to detect that kind of stuff I'm going to check whether that's actually true.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #366 on: September 17, 2018, 04:29:32 pm »

Space seems townie this game.

Space has very little, and forgettable (sorry Space!), content. Does this make them townie?

I think no. Space generally is fairly active, very calm, and makes a lot of sense as either alignment. Their inactivity is unusual but I don't think alignment indicative.

I think they're one of the hardest people to read in general, but gkrieg (I think) said he knows of some kind of tell in a recent game.

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« Reply #367 on: September 17, 2018, 04:34:09 pm »

i can jump on the kill new players strat. I think iguana brings up good points

Vote:WCD

Second, and on the topic of WCD/Iguana, this is, by far, the scummiest post in the entire game, and I'm surprised that nobody to this point has brought this up. It just reeks as opportunistic.

That's a very reasonable thing to conclude and would be correct for most players, but  I think it's  wrong here. Hydrad is super conventionally scummy as town and perhaps somewhat less scummy as scum. I once set myself the goal of trying to "figure out" one particular player and really develop accurate reads on them, and I ended up choosing Hydrad. It mostly didn't work because I still find him frustratingly difficult to read, but I am pretty sure that super scummy looking opportunistic votes are not scum indiciative.

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« Reply #368 on: September 17, 2018, 04:35:31 pm »

1) Scum are probably provided with fake-claims. This is standard practice these days in flavor games as to not give town an unfair advantage for exactly this reason.

If this is a thing, that changes my opinion on the plan and my read on awaclus a lot. Claiming right after I claimed seems like scum trying to earn free town cred and to trigger a mass flavor claim. I would vote for him if we had more time, but oop

I would rather lynch silver or chairs than hydrad. I wouldn't be opposed to lynching gkrieg or awa.

I second that this is absolutely a thing. No fakeclaims are basically not a thing in RMMs where flavor matters.

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« Reply #369 on: September 17, 2018, 04:39:07 pm »

apologies for the double negative.

yeah so Hyrad is meh. chairs is fairly nullish but fine for day 1. gkrieg is the most interesting case, he does feel different this game, but I'm not sure if that makes him town or scum.

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« Reply #370 on: September 17, 2018, 04:40:38 pm »

Somewhat leaning towards scum, actually.

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« Reply #371 on: September 17, 2018, 05:56:36 pm »

Space seems townie this game.

Space has very little, and forgettable (sorry Space!), content. Does this make them townie?

No, it makes them scummy! Maybe... Or busy. Or both!

Let's lynch Space.
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« Reply #372 on: September 17, 2018, 05:57:30 pm »

apologies for the double negative.

yeah so Hyrad is meh. chairs is fairly nullish but fine for day 1. gkrieg is the most interesting case, he does feel different this game, but I'm not sure if that makes him town or scum.

Yeah, he's been scum in a bunch of games recently and feels different... seems like a town tell to me.
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« Reply #373 on: September 17, 2018, 06:01:04 pm »

i can jump on the kill new players strat. I think iguana brings up good points

Vote:WCD

Second, and on the topic of WCD/Iguana, this is, by far, the scummiest post in the entire game, and I'm surprised that nobody to this point has brought this up. It just reeks as opportunistic.

That's a very reasonable thing to conclude and would be correct for most players, but  I think it's  wrong here. Hydrad is super conventionally scummy as town and perhaps somewhat less scummy as scum. I once set myself the goal of trying to "figure out" one particular player and really develop accurate reads on them, and I ended up choosing Hydrad. It mostly didn't work because I still find him frustratingly difficult to read, but I am pretty sure that super scummy looking opportunistic votes are not scum indiciative.

I rolled scum with Hydrad a lot back in 2015, and find him easier to read.

He's cheerful and nonchalant about everything as town, but also lurks and doesn't always show up for important deadlines. Which in the past got him lynched a lot, or he didn't get nightkilled because he wasn't a big participator and would end up at LyLo and get lynched there.

As scum, he's not so cheerful, at least in my memory. The other stuff is pretty similar.
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« Reply #374 on: September 17, 2018, 06:02:47 pm »

Irk I don't want to lynch a lot of people : ( Not sure what to do here.

Awaclus disappearing was/is scummy. Because he didn't start the game that way, he changed into it when the deadline approached. That's antitown.

Vote: Awaclus
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« Reply #375 on: September 17, 2018, 06:04:11 pm »

apologies for the double negative.

yeah so Hyrad is meh. chairs is fairly nullish but fine for day 1. gkrieg is the most interesting case, he does feel different this game, but I'm not sure if that makes him town or scum.

Yeah, he's been scum in a bunch of games recently and feels different... seems like a town tell to me.

Ok so this might be really dumb to say since you are town reading me off it. But I don't think I've been scum in the few games I've played since I've returned? 
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« Reply #376 on: September 17, 2018, 06:05:23 pm »

apologies for the double negative.

yeah so Hyrad is meh. chairs is fairly nullish but fine for day 1. gkrieg is the most interesting case, he does feel different this game, but I'm not sure if that makes him town or scum.

Yeah, he's been scum in a bunch of games recently and feels different... seems like a town tell to me.

Ok so this might be really dumb to say since you are town reading me off it. But I don't think I've been scum in the few games I've played since I've returned?

not you, gkrieg.
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« Reply #377 on: September 17, 2018, 06:06:13 pm »

I'm townreading you [Hydrad] for your cheerfulness!
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« Reply #378 on: September 17, 2018, 06:08:19 pm »

apologies for the double negative.

yeah so Hyrad is meh. chairs is fairly nullish but fine for day 1. gkrieg is the most interesting case, he does feel different this game, but I'm not sure if that makes him town or scum.

Yeah, he's been scum in a bunch of games recently and feels different... seems like a town tell to me.

Ok so this might be really dumb to say since you are town reading me off it. But I don't think I've been scum in the few games I've played since I've returned?

not you, gkrieg.

Ah. That makes more sense
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« Reply #379 on: September 17, 2018, 06:08:42 pm »

Request prod on Awaclus
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« Reply #380 on: September 17, 2018, 06:10:12 pm »

...and


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« Reply #381 on: September 17, 2018, 06:10:44 pm »

oh no 48 hour rule : (
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« Reply #382 on: September 17, 2018, 06:17:56 pm »

I'm townreading you [Hydrad] for your cheerfulness!
yeah I'm in very mild agrement here.

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« Reply #383 on: September 17, 2018, 06:18:44 pm »

Awaclus feels like an easy place to turn to - Iguana, do you honestly believe he has a better than random chance at being scum?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #384 on: September 17, 2018, 06:22:27 pm »

Awaclus feels like an easy place to turn to - Iguana, do you honestly believe he has a better than random chance at being scum?

Well, he was active during RVS, then he suddenly somewhat randomly claimed flavor (sure, he was following Morgrim's claim), and since then I can't remember one thing he did.

That actually looks a lot like how I remember scum!Awaclus playing. Like, the difference is that town!Awaclus is trying to deny scum information at all costs and defend himself and pursue only his top scumread. And then scum!Awaclus is trying to look like town!Awaclus (so he doesn't some of those things) while also attempting to get a bit of towncred here or there. So the flavor claim thing from him might actually be scummy, and disappearing afterward makes it more scummy.

So yeah, I'm suddenly actually feeling pretty good about lynching Awaclus.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #385 on: September 17, 2018, 06:27:42 pm »

vote: awaclus
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #386 on: September 17, 2018, 06:31:20 pm »

oh yes yes yes vote: Awaclus

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« Reply #387 on: September 17, 2018, 06:31:37 pm »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #388 on: September 17, 2018, 06:32:19 pm »

Awaclus feels like an easy place to turn to - Iguana, do you honestly believe he has a better than random chance at being scum?

Well, he was active during RVS, then he suddenly somewhat randomly claimed flavor (sure, he was following Morgrim's claim), and since then I can't remember one thing he did.

That actually looks a lot like how I remember scum!Awaclus playing. Like, the difference is that town!Awaclus is trying to deny scum information at all costs and defend himself and pursue only his top scumread. And then scum!Awaclus is trying to look like town!Awaclus (so he doesn't some of those things) while also attempting to get a bit of towncred here or there. So the flavor claim thing from him might actually be scummy, and disappearing afterward makes it more scummy.

So yeah, I'm suddenly actually feeling pretty good about lynching Awaclus.

I have no clue whether A. is scum but I hope you're right.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #389 on: September 17, 2018, 06:32:48 pm »

When is the deadline?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #390 on: September 17, 2018, 06:34:53 pm »

I disagree with the town read on Hydrad though, and do believe his vote on WCD for "newbiness" was opportunisticly scummy.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #391 on: September 17, 2018, 06:35:48 pm »

Because he didn't start the game that way, he changed into it when the deadline approached he was busy tracking drums for his band's next release.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #392 on: September 17, 2018, 06:36:17 pm »

Deadline is at September 18, 2018, 07:00:00 am

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #393 on: September 17, 2018, 06:41:13 pm »

12 hours 20 minutes from now I think.


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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #394 on: September 17, 2018, 06:42:25 pm »

I think silver is a better lynch and think that Awaclus's flavor claim was townie.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #395 on: September 17, 2018, 06:44:04 pm »

Deadline is at September 18, 2018, 07:00:00 am

I think

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #396 on: September 17, 2018, 06:47:51 pm »

Awaclus has been decidedly less painfully obstinate than I remember.  Has he changed (I know I keep asking this but I think it matters) to be more open and helpful?  If not, I’d lean more scum on him, since the one constant for Awaclus was that he would never do anything for anyone else, no matter what, and would always be completely convinced he was right.

That doesn’t track with the way he claimed, imo.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #397 on: September 17, 2018, 06:53:27 pm »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #398 on: September 17, 2018, 06:56:07 pm »

Awaclus has been decidedly less painfully obstinate than I remember.  Has he changed (I know I keep asking this but I think it matters) to be more open and helpful?  If not, I’d lean more scum on him, since the one constant for Awaclus was that he would never do anything for anyone else, no matter what, and would always be completely convinced he was right.

That doesn’t track with the way he claimed, imo.

He lied about being a VT when he was an insane cop in a game I ran recently. But there was a strategic reason for the weirdness - he was trying to confuse scum into making a bad claim. So I read what he did here as a bit different.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #399 on: September 17, 2018, 06:58:43 pm »

Awaclus has been decidedly less painfully obstinate than I remember.  Has he changed (I know I keep asking this but I think it matters) to be more open and helpful?  If not, I’d lean more scum on him, since the one constant for Awaclus was that he would never do anything for anyone else, no matter what, and would always be completely convinced he was right.

That's because your description of my "one constant" is completely inaccurate like I'm pretty sure I've told you before.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #400 on: September 17, 2018, 07:01:40 pm »

Space seems townie this game.

Space has very little, and forgettable (sorry Space!), content. Does this make them townie?

No worries.. this is accurate, and I'm feeling a suitable amount of guilt! I'm still in recovery from hosting various overlapping groups of people in my house for the past week while having a lot of musical commitments and not enough sleep. Work today was really tough in spite of lots of coffee... I'm feeling physically wiped out, but now that my routine is nominally back to normal, I should be back here at least as reliably as usual :-P

On a closely-related note, someone accused me earlier of being more guilty than average of posting to say I had things to post and not posting them. I'm definitely guilty of not posting things sometimes, but that's almost always just because I don't have enough time in a given day to read the game to form opinions in the first place. Say it takes 15 minutes of reading time to catch up with the thread when I get behind, then 30 minutes for targeted re-reads and cross-checking things/forming plans/mucking with wagon analysis. Then there's maybe 5 minutes at the end to post. Surely if you're doing the first 45 minutes of that process, swapping out a 5-min result post for a one-minute "I have things to post" post is barely saving any time at all. I guess, from me, there may be a few cases of "I've spent too long reading X and have to go to bed now: I'll finish tomorrow" or that sort of thing, but I feel like "I have a fully-formed plan I'm not telling you" is super-rare behaviour.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #401 on: September 17, 2018, 07:16:32 pm »

Just did a quick Chairs re-read. I agree with lots of what he said, and admire the fact that a person with a blown-up computer is posting so much more than me. I don't see anything that pings scum bells for me. Sadly that means I can't just join the big popular wagon. [I don't have my vote counter set up for this game yet, and it's too late at night to mess with it now, so I'm just going by LL's post].
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #402 on: September 17, 2018, 07:22:48 pm »

Re-skimmed Morgrim since he seemed friendly with Ash. It has already been noted that Ash always feels really scummy, so I think some of that was spilling over. I feel like I'm maybe willing to give him a little towncred for being the first to role-claim, though at the same time I don't think it was actually a pro-town move to claim. I did feel like he was leaning a bit too much on meta with his early posts, but that has dropped off a bit now. I don't think he's an actual lynch candidate anyway.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #403 on: September 17, 2018, 07:28:06 pm »

apologies for the double negative.

yeah so Hyrad is meh. chairs is fairly nullish but fine for day 1. gkrieg is the most interesting case, he does feel different this game, but I'm not sure if that makes him town or scum.

Yeah, he's been scum in a bunch of games recently and feels different... seems like a town tell to me.

Ok so this might be really dumb to say since you are town reading me off it. But I don't think I've been scum in the few games I've played since I've returned?

Didn't you sub in as scum to one where I was also scum? Or am I having weird f.ds-inspired dreams again?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #404 on: September 17, 2018, 07:29:58 pm »

Was going to finish off with re-reads of Hydrad and silver, but I'm too tired, so those can wait till morning. Deadline is noon my time, so I'll be at work but keeping as much of an eye on things as I can without colleagues or minions noticing :-P
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #405 on: September 17, 2018, 08:23:48 pm »


Wagons!

I have a hard time reading Awa at all, but he has definitely been more scarce in this game than when I’ve read him previously. If he is the inventor (his claim from earlier) he likely doesn’t have a whole bunch of interesting powers, and it could be the lynching him sets off some other events that are good for town. On the show, everything really begins when Spring is killed.

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« Reply #406 on: September 17, 2018, 08:49:13 pm »

The Awaclus wagon looks really scummy to me. It's because he was here and then not here? That's not super incriminating. The first two people jumping on the wagon are the two alternative wagons, so that makes me feel better about those.
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« Reply #407 on: September 17, 2018, 08:50:52 pm »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #408 on: September 17, 2018, 10:41:54 pm »

I believe this is up to date:

Morgrim7 (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Hydrad
silverspawn (3): Awaclus, EFHW, gkrieg13
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #409 on: September 17, 2018, 10:46:42 pm »

Don't know if I'll be at deadline. If I wake up early, which does usually happen.
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« Reply #410 on: September 17, 2018, 11:04:34 pm »

I will NOT be on at deadline, as that's 4:00am for me.
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« Reply #411 on: September 17, 2018, 11:48:48 pm »

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« Reply #412 on: September 18, 2018, 12:01:55 am »

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« Reply #413 on: September 18, 2018, 12:11:18 am »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #414 on: September 18, 2018, 12:36:34 am »

I will NOT be on at deadline, as that's 4:00am for me.

Then you should move your vote while you're on, to e.g. silverspawn.
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« Reply #415 on: September 18, 2018, 12:37:36 am »

There's also a good chance that I won't be on for deadline.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #416 on: September 18, 2018, 12:59:24 am »

Intent once we get a real vote count.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #417 on: September 18, 2018, 02:07:35 am »

Vote count 1.9

Morgrim7 (1): SpaceAnemone
silverspawn (3): Awaclus, EFHW, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
chairs (1): Hydrad
Awaclus (7): iguanaiguana, Galzria, silverspawn, chairs, Morgrim7, WestCoastDidds, 2.71828.....
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #418 on: September 18, 2018, 02:11:48 am »

I'm here for a bit also. I guess that means intent to also hammer. In I guess like 30 min ish? I dunno. Before I sleep I'll check back in so we will see how long I decide to stay up.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #419 on: September 18, 2018, 02:22:34 am »

I'll be here at deadline.

The Awaclus wagon looks really scummy to me. It's because he was here and then not here? That's not super incriminating. The first two people jumping on the wagon are the two alternative wagons, so that makes me feel better about those.

Awaclus wagons are always towny.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #420 on: September 18, 2018, 03:02:29 am »

well I'm going to bed.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #421 on: September 18, 2018, 03:12:02 am »

well I just logged on and that looks like hammer on awaclus?
I evidently need to catch up.
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« Reply #422 on: September 18, 2018, 03:41:08 am »

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« Reply #423 on: September 18, 2018, 03:42:28 am »

Vote count 1.final

Morgrim7 (1): SpaceAnemone
silverspawn (3): Awaclus, EFHW, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
Awaclus (8): iguanaiguana, Galzria, silverspawn, chairs, Morgrim7, WestCoastDidds, 2.71828....., Hydrad
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« Reply #424 on: September 18, 2018, 03:55:10 am »

"Todd, we do definitely need to go get some food, I feel like eating!" exclaimed Dirk. Todd watched on the clock.

"Oh my god, Dirk, I need to go to work!"

"Well, then let's go to the hotel together, I bet there is some café or something there"

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« Reply #425 on: September 20, 2018, 04:12:09 am »

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"Todd, life is hard. I heard Patrick Spring has a daughter, we should check on her".

Todd and Dirk went to the Spring's mansion but there was not a soul. Where else could she be...

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Not voting (11): Galzria, SpaceAnemone, gkrieg13, EFHW, DatSwan, silverspawn, Hydrad, Morgrim7, chairs, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #426 on: September 20, 2018, 05:28:44 am »

Urgh, busy night. Seems reasonably likely that ash was the NK and Iguana died by targeting the wrong person while in human form. I need to read back to work out who Iguana would have been scumreading, and work out whether he'd have played to die as a way of catching scum at all anyway, especially with a randomly switching role like that.

If that leaves Ash as the NK, then it kind of points to older players who're more aware of his big meta. I don't see Ash as that big and scary a target, and I suspect others who think a bit more like me (silver, for isntance) would leave him be as scum just because he has a high chance of lying to town and self-destructing even as town.

Then there's the good old "why didn't Galz/gkrieg die?" thing. There's bound to be wifom in here somewhere along the line, though. More reading and thinking when I'm not at work...
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« Reply #427 on: September 20, 2018, 05:40:06 am »

Urgh, busy night. Seems reasonably likely that ash was the NK and Iguana died by targeting the wrong person while in human form. I need to read back to work out who Iguana would have been scumreading, and work out whether he'd have played to die as a way of catching scum at all anyway, especially with a randomly switching role like that.

If I had a WV power, even if it was just one of many powers, I would have breadcrumbed in some way that I was going to use it on you before actually doing so. It seems like it'd be pretty poor play not to do that.

I think we should look through igu's post history for such clues.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #428 on: September 20, 2018, 05:51:55 am »

Mh, I did not see anything. He never used the term 'visit' or stated any particular interest in one player, except WCD, but for most of the game it was a scumread, which would make her a bad target.

But I'm historically bad at finding clues so other people should also try.

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« Reply #429 on: September 20, 2018, 05:54:13 am »

A priori I would say WCD is the most likely target, just because iguana did end up changing his mind about her. It seems like the kind of thing where you want to get confirmation. On the other hand, it's kind of reckless to just use it on whoever.

It's also possible that he didn't die due to the WV but that we have a SK or a vig (like bart)

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« Reply #430 on: September 20, 2018, 10:18:45 am »

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« Reply #431 on: September 20, 2018, 11:51:02 am »

A priori I would say WCD is the most likely target, just because iguana did end up changing his mind about her. It seems like the kind of thing where you want to get confirmation. On the other hand, it's kind of reckless to just use it on whoever.

It's also possible that he didn't die due to the WV but that we have a SK or a vig (like bart)
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« Reply #432 on: September 20, 2018, 03:28:29 pm »

Urgh, busy night. Seems reasonably likely that ash was the NK and Iguana died by targeting the wrong person while in human form. I need to read back to work out who Iguana would have been scumreading, and work out whether he'd have played to die as a way of catching scum at all anyway, especially with a randomly switching role like that.

If that leaves Ash as the NK, then it kind of points to older players who're more aware of his big meta. I don't see Ash as that big and scary a target, and I suspect others who think a bit more like me (silver, for isntance) would leave him be as scum just because he has a high chance of lying to town and self-destructing even as town.

Then there's the good old "why didn't Galz/gkrieg die?" thing. There's bound to be wifom in here somewhere along the line, though. More reading and thinking when I'm not at work...

Bold - Why? I mean, certainly it's possible - but as Iguana didn't really leave any breadcrumbed clues as to whom he might have targeted... I don't know. Why would you assume this to be true over the potential for a Vig/SK to have shot him though?

Italicized - This paragraph is kind of contradictory, and in general I just don't really agree that much. Having played with Ash for a very long time, I'm very familiar with him as a player. I find it almost funny that the Myth is so much bigger than the Man in this case. His history is blown up to be much more than it ever actually was. The contradictory thought process is that older players would be more scared of him, whereas new players would be willing to wait it out for him to self destruct as town based on his history - but if anybody were to be familiar with that sort of trend from him, it would in fact be the older players, not the newer ones.

Underlined - This trend (and thought process) kinda ran it's course a few games back. I've been alive as town into the late game (penultimate LyLo last game, LyLo the game before) much more recently. The game before that I was lynched D1, and the game prior to that I was, I believe, killed N1. I lose track. :P My point though, is that in general lately (and especially with the number of newer players), there's been less of a trend towards mine or any other players individual deaths in the early nights.

A priori I would say WCD is the most likely target, just because iguana did end up changing his mind about her. It seems like the kind of thing where you want to get confirmation. On the other hand, it's kind of reckless to just use it on whoever.

It's also possible that he didn't die due to the WV but that we have a SK or a vig (like bart)
Or he was a dog.

EFHW, I'm not sure what you mean here? If he was a Dog, then his PR was that of a Tracker - in which case his death was due to Mafia/Vig/SK - which is basically what SS said.

Actually, SS - you didn't say that his death was potentially caused from a Mafia shot - you only mentioned WV, SK & Vig. Why the omission?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #433 on: September 20, 2018, 03:44:46 pm »

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« Reply #434 on: September 20, 2018, 04:24:01 pm »

A priori I would say WCD is the most likely target, just because iguana did end up changing his mind about her. It seems like the kind of thing where you want to get confirmation. On the other hand, it's kind of reckless to just use it on whoever.

It's also possible that he didn't die due to the WV but that we have a SK or a vig (like bart)
Or he was a dog.

EFHW, I'm not sure what you mean here? If he was a Dog, then his PR was that of a Tracker - in which case his death was due to Mafia/Vig/SK - which is basically what SS said.

My use of "or" was not precise, but it sounded good. I also felt silver was spending a curious amount of time on the WV theory given the high likelihood that we have an SK/vig in Bart.
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« Reply #435 on: September 20, 2018, 05:53:43 pm »

A priori I would say WCD is the most likely target, just because iguana did end up changing his mind about her. It seems like the kind of thing where you want to get confirmation. On the other hand, it's kind of reckless to just use it on whoever.

It's also possible that he didn't die due to the WV but that we have a SK or a vig (like bart)
Or he was a dog.

EFHW, I'm not sure what you mean here? If he was a Dog, then his PR was that of a Tracker - in which case his death was due to Mafia/Vig/SK - which is basically what SS said.

My use of "or" was not precise, but it sounded good. I also felt silver was spending a curious amount of time on the WV theory given the high likelihood that we have an SK/vig in Bart.

You think three short posts is too much time spent on searching for a clue that, if present, reveals a scum immediately?

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« Reply #436 on: September 20, 2018, 05:55:50 pm »

Actually, SS - you didn't say that his death was potentially caused from a Mafia shot - you only mentioned WV, SK & Vig. Why the omission?

Well, my thought process went WV shot -> then ash was NKd and iguana died that way -> can't find clues -> need another source for the igu kill -> SK

but of course, if you assume that he died through means other than his WV, then it's equally likely that he was the ordinary NK and ash the SK

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« Reply #437 on: September 20, 2018, 05:56:37 pm »

I urge everyone else to re-read iguana, and not take me finding no clue as proof that there is no clue. This is obviously the most important thing we have to do right now.

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« Reply #438 on: September 20, 2018, 05:57:34 pm »

Like, the prior chance for WV is probably over 50%, and the prior for him to have placed a clue should also be around that, and the reward of finding one is very large. That trumps reads and such.

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« Reply #439 on: September 20, 2018, 06:00:04 pm »

also vote: EFHW for her bizarre comment

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« Reply #440 on: September 20, 2018, 06:02:19 pm »

Iguana death: it seems like there would be a very low likelihood that he’d have targeted, and been a girl, and found scum. Someone other than me would know the probability, but it seems like it would be low.

So far, all the characters that have been revealed are characters that I’d expect to be playing. So I am super confident there is a Bart, and I don’t know how she couldn’t be a serial killer.

So, it seems much more likely that there is a serial killer and a mafia hit. Iguana was one of the highest contributing members so he makes sense to me as a target. I don’t know if Asher at all, but I realize I’m in the minority there.

PPE some

Can someone fill me in...how do we go about finding, and in our case maybe converting, a serial killer?
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« Reply #441 on: September 20, 2018, 06:05:43 pm »

Iguana death: it seems like there would be a very low likelihood that he’d have targeted, and been a girl, and found scum. Someone other than me would know the probability, but it seems like it would be low.

There's no calculation you can do because it depends on hidden variables, but why would it be low? We don't actually know there's a SK, but iguana flipped with a role that we know has a mechanism that kills him.

Can someone fill me in...how do we go about finding, and in our case maybe converting, a serial killer?
We dont. There probably isn't a SK.

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« Reply #442 on: September 20, 2018, 06:45:37 pm »


Hmmm....that’s a lot of certainty that there isn’t a SK. Why are you thinking that?

So far, the game roles follow the program characters. On the show, Bart kills anyone/everyone indiscriminately, except for that guy she captures, looking for Dirk. My guess is that she would be converted to town, or maybe be killed or become vulnerable to attack, if she targets Dirk. At least that is what leads to her change on the show. But until then, I’d guess that she’d keep killing indiscriminately. Since the SK is a Maria game role that does that, I don’t know why that sounds farfetched.

The complexity of the girl/dog switch really close self parallels the show and that along with the huge number of choices for Springer(Awaclus) suggests that all of our roles are complicated. I don’t think there aren’t additional killers.

I’m also curious about the part of Asher’s role that is redacted...
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« Reply #443 on: September 20, 2018, 06:47:10 pm »

So are you the SK?

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« Reply #444 on: September 20, 2018, 06:56:11 pm »

I too believe it's more likely than not that Bart is in play.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #445 on: September 20, 2018, 07:14:01 pm »

Urgh, busy night. Seems reasonably likely that ash was the NK and Iguana died by targeting the wrong person while in human form. I need to read back to work out who Iguana would have been scumreading, and work out whether he'd have played to die as a way of catching scum at all anyway, especially with a randomly switching role like that.

If that leaves Ash as the NK, then it kind of points to older players who're more aware of his big meta. I don't see Ash as that big and scary a target, and I suspect others who think a bit more like me (silver, for isntance) would leave him be as scum just because he has a high chance of lying to town and self-destructing even as town.

Then there's the good old "why didn't Galz/gkrieg die?" thing. There's bound to be wifom in here somewhere along the line, though. More reading and thinking when I'm not at work...

Bold - Why? I mean, certainly it's possible - but as Iguana didn't really leave any breadcrumbed clues as to whom he might have targeted... I don't know. Why would you assume this to be true over the potential for a Vig/SK to have shot him though?

Italicized - This paragraph is kind of contradictory, and in general I just don't really agree that much. Having played with Ash for a very long time, I'm very familiar with him as a player. I find it almost funny that the Myth is so much bigger than the Man in this case. His history is blown up to be much more than it ever actually was. The contradictory thought process is that older players would be more scared of him, whereas new players would be willing to wait it out for him to self destruct as town based on his history - but if anybody were to be familiar with that sort of trend from him, it would in fact be the older players, not the newer ones.

Underlined - This trend (and thought process) kinda ran it's course a few games back. I've been alive as town into the late game (penultimate LyLo last game, LyLo the game before) much more recently. The game before that I was lynched D1, and the game prior to that I was, I believe, killed N1. I lose track. :P My point though, is that in general lately (and especially with the number of newer players), there's been less of a trend towards mine or any other players individual deaths in the early nights.

Bold: Iguana's WV is the only additional death-causing role, on top of an assumed regular scum faction kill, that we know of in the game. There's been loads of speculation about an SK, and I do agree that Bart as a character would fit very nicely with SK as a role, but we have no actual evidence that that's the direction LL has taken her role in, so I'm going with the other evidence on the table. I'm not saying I wouldn't believe it if someone came out as Bart and admitted causing one of the night-time deaths, though.

Italicised: You say this, and yet the reaction from other players who already know Ash was very much one of interest in his plan, sometimes to the exclusion of wanting to do anything else at all.. I think I was the only one posting scepticism before he'd even posted it :-P I agree that the myth is bigger than the man; I just feel like those perpetuating it are the ones more likely to treat him carefully and therefore want him out of the way, and they're not the newest players, nor are they the heavily logic-based ones. I don't have a lot invested in this as evidence.. it's just an observation that might add up with other things later maybe. You're welcome to disagree!

Underlined: paranoid much? :-P I did say that there's bound to be wifom anyway.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #446 on: September 20, 2018, 07:25:58 pm »

So are you the SK?

Nope. But it seems like you might be.
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« Reply #447 on: September 20, 2018, 11:37:22 pm »

Heads up basically via tonight karaoke night.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #449 on: September 21, 2018, 03:25:21 am »

If there is an SK, then Skum and SK are against each other. So moving focus to the SK hunting side of things would be in the favor of skum.
Because of this we should probably stop focusing on the SK so much. Also, probably merit on looking into those who wanted to focus on the SK side of things.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #450 on: September 21, 2018, 07:11:48 am »

Heads up basically via tonight karaoke night.

This sounds like a cryptic crossword.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #451 on: September 21, 2018, 07:23:19 am »

So are you the SK?

Nope. But it seems like you might be.

Why?

Because you seem to be arguing that there isn’t a a serial killer and I can’t see how that is any sort of logical.

Datswan, I hadn’t realized that the serial killer benefitted scum, so thanks for the pro tip. Although I’m fairly certain she is in the game, I don’t have any idea about how to go about finding that person.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #452 on: September 21, 2018, 07:31:16 am »

vote: WCD

One plausible reason for why a person will assume the existence of a SK is that they have hidden knowledge. Either they are the SK, or they are mafia who killed iguana and thus know that there was another kill not directly explained by the role.

For anyone without extra information, the evidence for the SK is... not quite poor, but not particularly good, eitehr. We don't know whether Bart is in the game, if she is we don't know whether she is a SK. She could be town (like a vig), or scum. The second death is also only weak evidence; we know that iguana has a mechanism in his role that would explain it, and even if it didn't, it's an RMM, so there could be plenty of other reasons.

Without hidden information, being certain about the existence of a SK is illogical. WCD is the only player who did that. And the idea that I am the SK because I don't jump to the conclusion doens't make any sense, either.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #453 on: September 21, 2018, 07:33:38 am »

I'll also clarify that the reason I didn't want us to lynch WCD yesterday is that I suspect more material from her would be particularly valuable. Like, you don't lynch the people who are the easiest to read early; they are the ones where reads are better in general and usually they also improve more from one day to the next. If you bother to go back and look you'll see that I never said I think she's towny, only that I don't want to vote for her.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #454 on: September 21, 2018, 07:35:01 am »

Admittedly the alternative explanation that she is honestly wrong about the probability of a SK is plausible, too, but still, it's some evidence.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #455 on: September 21, 2018, 09:14:58 am »


I could definitely be wrong, and since I’ve never played in a game with an SK, I don’t really know what that is like.

But I think the character roles matter in this particular game. The roles we have seen so far were predictable and their powers were complex but mirrored the program. As a result, I feel certain there is a Dirk, Todd, and Farrah who are all town and probably have ass-kicking powers. An Amanda and maybe some other Rowdy 3 who are town, but more vanilla.There would be a Bart and maybe a Ken who are rando killers, but townish. Perhaps some assorted cops or FBI agents who are town, and then Gordon and the Men of the Machine are the baddies. I think they can probably do some sort of soul swapping.

Now, I don’t really know how that helps us move forward but when thinking about why igu and Asher died, it’s helpful for me to think about who has killing abilities. Could be that Asher was NK and igu followed the wrong person as a girl or a dog (I don’t remember the condition) but that seems more difficult to know rather than working on the assumption that there are multiple possible kills.

I also wonder if Awaclus was able to do any of his powers N0 so that we might see his influence again. He, along with Dirk and Todd, are probably the only ones to time travel.

That’s all over the place, I know, but that is what’s in my head right now.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #456 on: September 21, 2018, 11:09:44 am »

I feel like there might be 2 NKs but it doesn't really matter yet? We will find out in future nights anyways so we don't have to worry to hard yet.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #457 on: September 21, 2018, 12:29:21 pm »

silver is scum here.
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« Reply #458 on: September 21, 2018, 12:35:36 pm »

silver is scum here.

I'm inclined to agree. SK or Mafia? If the former, is it better to lynch now, or wait to give him a chance at shooting Mafia? I think I favor waiting and letting him shoot - but that also complicates my PR.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #459 on: September 21, 2018, 12:52:28 pm »

silver is scum here.

I'm inclined to agree. SK or Mafia? If the former, is it better to lynch now, or wait to give him a chance at shooting Mafia? I think I favor waiting and letting him shoot - but that also complicates my PR.

I don't think we should leave scum alive, especially where we are right now.
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« Reply #460 on: September 21, 2018, 01:25:05 pm »

If anyone is not determined to miss the point, please chime in on WCD.

And seriously, reread iguana. Do not rely on me finding no breadcrumb. I am bad at finding breadcrumbs. They might still be there.

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« Reply #461 on: September 21, 2018, 02:09:26 pm »

silver is scum here.

I'm inclined to agree. SK or Mafia? If the former, is it better to lynch now, or wait to give him a chance at shooting Mafia? I think I favor waiting and letting him shoot - but that also complicates my PR.

I don't think we should leave scum alive, especially where we are right now.i
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« Reply #462 on: September 21, 2018, 02:10:15 pm »

If anyone is not determined to miss the point, please chime in on WCD.

And seriously, reread iguana. Do not rely on me finding no breadcrumb. I am bad at finding breadcrumbs. They might still be there.
I looked at his EOD and didn't see anything either.
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« Reply #463 on: September 21, 2018, 02:12:48 pm »

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« Reply #464 on: September 21, 2018, 02:17:07 pm »

If anyone is not determined to miss the point, please chime in on WCD.

And seriously, reread iguana. Do not rely on me finding no breadcrumb. I am bad at finding breadcrumbs. They might still be there.
I looked at his EOD and didn't see anything either.

Alright. What do you think about WCD?

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« Reply #465 on: September 21, 2018, 03:03:15 pm »

If anyone is not determined to miss the point, please chime in on WCD.

And seriously, reread iguana. Do not rely on me finding no breadcrumb. I am bad at finding breadcrumbs. They might still be there.
I looked at his EOD and didn't see anything either.

Alright. What do you think about WCD?
I don't think her posts implicate her as SK or mafia, especially since her logic is based mostly on flavor.

It was worth looking for a breadcrumb from iguana. I don't know why he didn't leave one. If had, then it might have been a helpful lead.
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« Reply #466 on: September 21, 2018, 03:35:29 pm »

Do you agree that a SK or mafia who killed iguana is more likely to believe that there is a SK than a town?

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« Reply #467 on: September 21, 2018, 03:42:16 pm »

Do you agree that a SK or mafia who killed iguana is more likely to believe that there is a SK than a town?
I don't think the SK or mafia would be spending time on the subject. Especially not the SK.
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« Reply #468 on: September 21, 2018, 03:44:17 pm »

Do you agree that a SK or mafia who killed iguana is more likely to believe that there is a SK than a town?
I don't think the SK or mafia would be spending time on the subject. Especially not the SK.
But yes, their extra information could give them a greater degree of certainty.
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« Reply #469 on: September 21, 2018, 03:50:42 pm »

Do you agree that a SK or mafia who killed iguana is more likely to believe that there is a SK than a town?
I don't think the SK or mafia would be spending time on the subject. Especially not the SK.
But yes, their extra information could give them a greater degree of certainty.

well, then by the law of bayes, since WCD was more certian than anyone else, that does implicate her as being scum.

Do you agree that a SK or mafia who killed iguana is more likely to believe that there is a SK than a town?
I don't think the SK or mafia would be spending time on the subject. Especially not the SK.

If we were talking about Robz or faust, sure. But we're talking about WCD. A new!scum thing to do is to be very aware of having to talk about the SK as if you're not the SK, which then leads to talking about it too much. It's a classic tell.

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« Reply #470 on: September 21, 2018, 04:17:20 pm »

Also morgrim didn’t you claim det zimm?
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« Reply #471 on: September 21, 2018, 04:28:30 pm »

silver, can you elaborate on this Bayesian thing?
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« Reply #472 on: September 21, 2018, 05:57:28 pm »

silver, can you elaborate on this Bayesian thing?

Yeah, so the law is qualitatively super simple. Theories become more likely if they make good predictions and vice versa. Or put differently, if A makes B more likely, than B makes A more likely, always.

And this case, WCD having hidden information makes her more likely to believe there is a SK, therefore WCD believing there is a SK makes her more likely to have hidden information.

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« Reply #473 on: September 21, 2018, 05:59:58 pm »

The only real debate should be about how significant it is. You could argue it's a minor thing. But WCD's behavior is scummy, too. People were talking about this day 1 – correctly, I think.

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« Reply #474 on: September 21, 2018, 06:03:56 pm »

The only real debate should be about how significant it is. You could argue it's a minor thing. But WCD's behavior is scummy, too. People were talking about this day 1 – correctly, I think.

I think it's not terribly significant right now, because it's easy for people to get the wrong idea about overall likelihoods of roles being in the game, and I might expect that to be compounded if most of those roles sound unfamiliar.

It's also worth noting that, having just re-read Iguana looking for breadcrumbs as you'd suggested, he was apparently townreading WCD by the end -- see #341.
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« Reply #475 on: September 21, 2018, 06:04:43 pm »

If anyone is not determined to miss the point, please chime in on WCD.

And seriously, reread iguana. Do not rely on me finding no breadcrumb. I am bad at finding breadcrumbs. They might still be there
I looked at his EOD and didn't see anything either.

Alright. What do you think about WCD?
I don't think her posts implicate her as SK or mafia, especially since her logic is based mostly on flavor.

It was worth looking for a breadcrumb from iguana. I don't know why he didn't leave one. If had, then it might have been a helpful lead.

I am a humanties person, awash in potential inconsistency and dealing in contingency. And a newb, so trying to find something to understand about a game where so much is history and reading between the lines. EFHW has the best read on me, here. Silver has me with some grand master plan where I’m laying lines of diversion and planning my narrative accordingly. I’d be surprised if I strike anyone else as that on top of myself.

After I finished writing about why I think there is a Bart and she would likely be a killer, I wondered what the point of all that was. I realized that there wasn’t really a point...that knowledge doesn’t help us. But maybe some of the other things I pointed out along the way, like I think we likely all have complex powers, or that the scum could potentially swap souls with someone they capture, is helpful.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #476 on: September 21, 2018, 06:09:32 pm »

As for the result of my Iguana re-read, I found nothing that was very crumb-ish at all.

The best I could find was "silver is a catch him D3 kind of scum" at #336. D3 would give 2 nights, by which time Igu has a reasonable expectation of having been a WV at least once. But it feels way more likely that he was just chatting about his actual opinion of silver and not thinking at all about how to set up for his role.

Perhaps breadcrumbing at all felt too conspicuous to Iguana, given that he didn't even know if he was going to be able to make use of that part of his role last night anyway.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #477 on: September 21, 2018, 06:41:08 pm »

36 hours since restart, heading into the weekend: We haven't heard from Morgrim, Hydrad or 2.7
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #478 on: September 21, 2018, 06:41:43 pm »

I feel like there might be 2 NKs but it doesn't really matter yet? We will find out in future nights anyways so we don't have to worry to hard yet.

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« Reply #479 on: September 21, 2018, 10:11:00 pm »

Hey. Bad night, vacationing for anniversary with my wife. Skimmed through the day, and I have no clue what silverspawn is getting at questioning the presence of a SK.

Do you think there are multiple factions or are you claiming vig? Because if you claim vig then there is some explaining to do on your shot. Outside of that I think SK
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« Reply #480 on: September 22, 2018, 12:00:29 am »

I'm still alive, just exhausted. Don't have the energy to read everything and post something that makes sense tonight - you'll just have to wait until tomorrow. Although, I guess posting something random and nonsensical would be pretty morgrim-esque, huh?

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« Reply #481 on: September 22, 2018, 03:29:39 am »

Hey. Bad night, vacationing for anniversary with my wife. Skimmed through the day, and I have no clue what silverspawn is getting at questioning the presence of a SK.

Do you think there are multiple factions or are you claiming vig? Because if you claim vig then there is some explaining to do on your shot. Outside of that I think SK

did you read iguana's flip?

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #482 on: September 22, 2018, 04:02:25 am »

Vote count 2.1

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« Reply #483 on: September 22, 2018, 05:05:20 am »

Did Morgrim's vote not count?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #484 on: September 22, 2018, 08:58:36 am »

I don’t think there is a point in building a case against silver here because pretty much everyone thinks he’s scum. I was going to, but I’m on my phone and don’t feel like getting out of bed to grab my laptop. Just reread him, the case builds itself.

And I don’t think we can afford to not lynch scum today even if he is an SK who could potentially hit the mafia.

Based on flavor, I would be inclined to think that there is an SK in this game. Iguana seems like a pretty reasonable kill for the mafia, and there were a lot of people scum reading ashes so he’s a pretty good target for an SK (or a vig I guess).

Pretty sure WCD is town.

Also morgrim didn’t you claim det zimm?
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« Reply #485 on: September 22, 2018, 09:41:16 am »

I don’t think there is a point in building a case against silver here because pretty much everyone thinks he’s scum. I was going to, but I’m on my phone and don’t feel like getting out of bed to grab my laptop. Just reread him, the case builds itself.

And I don’t think we can afford to not lynch scum today even if he is an SK who could potentially hit the mafia.

Based on flavor, I would be inclined to think that there is an SK in this game. Iguana seems like a pretty reasonable kill for the mafia, and there were a lot of people scum reading ashes so he’s a pretty good target for an SK (or a vig I guess).

Pretty sure WCD is town.

Also morgrim didn’t you claim det zimm?
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I am universe aligned, I have 2 votes, and there is literally no case.

You (gkrieg and such) certainly managed to make me feel incredibly annoyed / feel like I'm talking to Awaclus, but you haven't exactly been able to make me feel like it's a lynch is inevitable.

Which, btw, is a really scummy move on your part. Trying to frame the lynch as inevitable, that is, especially since it's not.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #486 on: September 22, 2018, 09:42:11 am »

Empirically speaking, I've never been lynched without anyone having stated a case, and I don't think this will be the first time.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #487 on: September 22, 2018, 09:43:47 am »

And to everyone who does think I'm scum: forget the inside view for a moment and look at past games. do you have any reaosn whatsoever to believe that your gut read on me correlates positively with my alignment? Show me the record that proves your 'no real reason but I kind of feel like it' read on me has worked in the past.

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« Reply #488 on: September 22, 2018, 10:08:19 am »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #489 on: September 22, 2018, 12:48:21 pm »

vote: Silver {Reasons}
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #490 on: September 22, 2018, 12:50:07 pm »

Vote: Morgrim

Morgrim's "pretty much everyone thinks he’s scum" comment about silver is ridiculous, and hiding a vote behind some "well, everyone thinks this so I have to go along with it" sort of logic is really scummy.

I think silver has been entirely reasonable in his behaviour and logic, including the Bayesian inference someone was questioning earlier. I think the only thing I disagree with him on is how scummy we ought to think WCD is. As for the existence of an SK, there really is no proof for either an SK or a vig in the game, whereas there is a revealed game mechanic that would have caused Iguana to die, so not considering that fact is just negligent. I really don't see why any sensible person is apparently scumreading him for not being more sold on an SK.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #491 on: September 22, 2018, 12:52:49 pm »

Skimmed through the day, and I have no clue what silverspawn is getting at questioning the presence of a SK.

You know we have a dead person who's 50% Weak Visitor, right? You don't think it's at all worth even considering the possibility Iguana died by visiting a scum?
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« Reply #492 on: September 22, 2018, 02:01:11 pm »

Hey. Bad night, vacationing for anniversary with my wife. Skimmed through the day, and I have no clue what silverspawn is getting at questioning the presence of a SK.

Do you think there are multiple factions or are you claiming vig? Because if you claim vig then there is some explaining to do on your shot. Outside of that I think SK

did you read iguana's flip?

Skimmed through the day, and I have no clue what silverspawn is getting at questioning the presence of a SK.

You know we have a dead person who's 50% Weak Visitor, right? You don't think it's at all worth even considering the possibility Iguana died by visiting a scum?


Oh.  I had not read the flip past who died. It is possible that he died visiting scum, but as silverspawn has been suggesting I need to look for potential clues as to who he may have visited
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« Reply #493 on: September 22, 2018, 02:17:12 pm »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #494 on: September 22, 2018, 06:58:22 pm »

Vote count 2.2

silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (1): silverspawn
Morgrim7 (2): chairs, SpaceAnemone
2.71828..... (1): EFHW
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« Reply #495 on: September 22, 2018, 07:25:43 pm »

So....:

1) Morgrim can't vote right now
2) Morgrim can vote, but he has some modifying mechanic on said vote
3) LaLight missed Morgrim's vote... twice.

LaLight, can we confirm that you saw this?:

I'm still alive, just exhausted. Don't have the energy to read everything and post something that makes sense tonight - you'll just have to wait until tomorrow. Although, I guess posting something random and nonsensical would be pretty morgrim-esque, huh?

vote: silver there that isn't too crazy
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #496 on: September 22, 2018, 07:51:53 pm »

So....:

1) Morgrim can't vote right now
2) Morgrim can vote, but he has some modifying mechanic on said vote
3) LaLight missed Morgrim's vote... twice.

LaLight, can we confirm that you saw this?:

I'm still alive, just exhausted. Don't have the energy to read everything and post something that makes sense tonight - you'll just have to wait until tomorrow. Although, I guess posting something random and nonsensical would be pretty morgrim-esque, huh?

vote: silver there that isn't too crazy

huh. good catch.
Silver said they had voting mechanic stuff in their role as well... could be on Silver's side of the somehow instead of Morgrim's.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #497 on: September 22, 2018, 07:56:11 pm »


Oh, interesting! Seems unlikely to have been missed twice. I wonder if it’s no vote or someone controls his vote.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #498 on: September 22, 2018, 09:04:43 pm »

Vote count 2.3

silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (1): silverspawn
Morgrim7 (3): chairs, SpaceAnemone, Morgrim7
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So....:

1) Morgrim can't vote right now
2) Morgrim can vote, but he has some modifying mechanic on said vote
3) LaLight missed Morgrim's vote... twice.

LaLight, can we confirm that you saw this?:

I'm still alive, just exhausted. Don't have the energy to read everything and post something that makes sense tonight - you'll just have to wait until tomorrow. Although, I guess posting something random and nonsensical would be pretty morgrim-esque, huh?

vote: silver there that isn't too crazy

I did see it.
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« Reply #499 on: September 22, 2018, 09:56:43 pm »

...Morgrim is self-voting now?

That vote count looks... weird. How does Morgrim end up self-voting? Does silver have some sort of vote "reflect" ability? Does that even make sense in the lore?

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« Reply #500 on: September 22, 2018, 10:03:18 pm »


It makes some sense with the lore. If his soul got swapped, for example, then someone else could potentially control his vote. That would be a scum ability if they are the Men of the Machine.
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« Reply #501 on: September 22, 2018, 10:38:46 pm »


It makes some sense with the lore. If his soul got swapped, for example, then someone else could potentially control his vote. That would be a scum ability if they are the Men of the Machine.
But why the delay?
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« Reply #502 on: September 22, 2018, 10:41:37 pm »


It makes some sense with the lore. If his soul got swapped, for example, then someone else could potentially control his vote. That would be a scum ability if they are the Men of the Machine.
But why the delay?
Or Morgrim's self voting could be a separate mechanic from Morgrim can't vote for silver.
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« Reply #503 on: September 22, 2018, 10:43:45 pm »

I missed the bit about silver claiming a kind of voting mechanic. What did he say?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #504 on: September 22, 2018, 10:57:37 pm »

I don’t think there is a point in building a case against silver here because pretty much everyone thinks he’s scum. I was going to, but I’m on my phone and don’t feel like getting out of bed to grab my laptop. Just reread him, the case builds itself.

And I don’t think we can afford to not lynch scum today even if he is an SK who could potentially hit the mafia.

Based on flavor, I would be inclined to think that there is an SK in this game. Iguana seems like a pretty reasonable kill for the mafia, and there were a lot of people scum reading ashes so he’s a pretty good target for an SK (or a vig I guess).

Pretty sure WCD is town.

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I am universe aligned, I have 2 votes, and there is literally no case.

You (gkrieg and such) certainly managed to make me feel incredibly annoyed / feel like I'm talking to Awaclus, but you haven't exactly been able to make me feel like it's a lynch is inevitable.

Which, btw, is a really scummy move on your part. Trying to frame the lynch as inevitable, that is, especially since it's not.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #505 on: September 22, 2018, 11:06:14 pm »

Which could be his & Morgrim's.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #506 on: September 22, 2018, 11:11:06 pm »


It makes some sense with the lore. If his soul got swapped, for example, then someone else could potentially control his vote. That would be a scum ability if they are the Men of the Machine.
But why the delay?

Would scum have to tell LL how Morgrims vote should be assigned? If so, then it’s just delayed by however long it takes LL  to receive and post.

Silver says he has two votes, but is that different than controlling someone else’s vote? It seems like it would be. If Morgrim is being controlled, the question is by whom??
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #507 on: September 22, 2018, 11:30:50 pm »

the delay is a little weird. Morgrim votes silver, there is a vote count that Galz points out with morgrim not on silver, then after the second bring up by Galz- LL responds with the new VC.

The timing on the vote change is just crazy. Makes me think it had to be happenstance (i.e. silver claims double vote or whatever, then sends message with the morgrim vote, then Galz asks for VC and it is updated).


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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #508 on: September 23, 2018, 02:44:51 am »

Morgrims vote not working is very interesting.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #509 on: September 23, 2018, 03:38:56 am »

I had two votes on me, not 2 votes as in I can vote twice.

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« Reply #510 on: September 23, 2018, 03:39:13 am »

And I do not have a power to redirect someone else's vote, either.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #511 on: September 23, 2018, 09:01:36 am »

Which could be his & Morgrim's.
I think he meant 2 people were voting for him.
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« Reply #512 on: September 23, 2018, 09:04:20 am »

Morgrims vote not working is very interesting.

Just posting to say hi. Will post more tomorrow
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #513 on: September 23, 2018, 09:05:03 am »

He=Morgrim
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #514 on: September 23, 2018, 09:16:12 am »

Lalight, should Morgrim's self vote have been part of vc 2.2? Was there a mod error?
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« Reply #515 on: September 23, 2018, 09:21:24 am »

Also vc 2.1
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« Reply #516 on: September 23, 2018, 09:22:49 am »

Lalight, should Morgrim's self vote have been part of vc 2.2? Was there a mod error?

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #517 on: September 23, 2018, 09:36:59 am »

I had two votes on me, not 2 votes as in I can vote twice.

Makes way more sense!

So, someone is controlling Morgrim’s vote, then...
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« Reply #518 on: September 23, 2018, 11:08:05 am »

Very interesting.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #519 on: September 23, 2018, 11:22:33 am »

Morgrim7 reread (line numbers indicate "reply #"):

53: votes ashersky, RVS.
56: replies to my RVS vote for him <3.
96: is in favor of the "If I was Bart" plan.
109: reiterates support of "If I was Bart" plan, votes all of us for arguing about it.
171: In favor of ash's first plan, claims to be Detective Zimmerfield, votes "everyone".
180: Unvotes.
200: Townreads Awaclus. Discusses whether Ash is calling igig's plan or Ash's first plan "clearly scum-helping" and ruminates on what ash is suggesting here. votes silverspawn.
202: Gets surprised by silver's reaction to him calling Awaclus a good kid.
230: naked vote for WCD.
237: Replies to WCD self-defense with "That's fair", also D1 pass for le newbs. votes silverspawn.
293: unvotes, suggests silverspawn case is weak while still saying he is minorly scummy.
296: Reiterates his question from 200 re: what ash was trying to say, waits for ash's response.
307: naked vote for chairs.
311: HEY CHAIRS SAY SOMETHING
314: only 24h to D1 end, lynching silver, chairs, or galzria.
319: agrees with me that ash feels scummy at this point.
324: points out silverspawn currently getting lynched if nobody changes votes.
328: suggests WCD does a reread on him as part of WCD not being contribution-heavy D1.
331: WCD turns him down for targetted reread because "too many long confusing posts".... really not true at this point btw.
358: would rather lynch silverspawn/chairs than hydrad. Could also lynch gkrieg/awaclus. Was surprised at the idea of fakeclaims for scum.
397: naked vote for awaclus.
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480: votes silver.
484: suggests everyone should lynch silverspawn. Also suggests WCD is town. States even if we have a SK we need to lynch scum whether it's SK or Mafia.

I was hoping to gain some insight into why someone might opt to control Morgrim's vote, but nothing here stands out to me. Maybe WCD I guess? It does feel like he's pretty firm on silver throughout as being "minor scum".

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #520 on: September 23, 2018, 11:28:49 am »

Morgrim's vote being controlled by another player is not the only possible hypothesis. Here are two others

– His vote is cast randomly
– He votes in his QT and self-voted to confuse town

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #521 on: September 23, 2018, 12:01:43 pm »

Ashersky reread (numbers are "reply #"):

121: First post. Says iguana is Bart.
122: "Also, I have a plan."
146: limited availability lately. D1 passes: Morgrim, Galz, EFHW, newbies. votes iguana (not RVS).
147: Bemoans SA never being on the same page as them. Agrees stalling is unnecessary, but says it's not scummy necessarily.
148: Presents plans. Plan 1 - Mass Claim Flavor. Plan 2 - Familiar with flavor? List possible characters/alignments based on LL knowledge. Guess possible Mafia roles.
151: Igu is SKhunting, so is scummy.
153: Believes stalling is not alignment indicative.
156: Counts up pro/neutral/against notes to plans from earlier (awa is neutral on 1, anti 2, sa is pro 2 anti 1, ss is pro 2 anti 1).
175: Says DatSwan has Townslipped here.
184: Requests update on gkrieg meta.
187: Says gkrieg feels quiet.
188: Townreads Hydrad for D1. Alignment tells based on plan responses.
196: explains datswan townslip.
276: apologizes for being behind.
294: says posts between 196 and 276 weren't super important. wants to sheep Morg, townreads galz a bit.
306: states surprise on flavorclaim being as supported. His plans were laid out to have people discussing plans. Feels towny on Morg, less towny on Awaclus.
396: Awaclus is helpful, too helpful for Awaclus, and thus is scum.
416: Intent to hammer Awaclus.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #522 on: September 23, 2018, 12:02:31 pm »

Morgrim's vote being controlled by another player is not the only possible hypothesis. Here are two others

– His vote is cast randomly
– He votes in his QT and self-voted to confuse town

I would be annoyed at random votes being part of my role. Voting only in my QT would be weird but an interesting concept. I like that you're bringing these alternatives up, as I hadn't even considered them. townpoints.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #523 on: September 23, 2018, 12:10:36 pm »

I've got to do other things today but I'll try to knock out another couple of rereads like this later.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #524 on: September 23, 2018, 02:21:38 pm »

Why did you do ashersky? He's dead!
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #525 on: September 23, 2018, 04:28:52 pm »

Lalight, should Morgrim's self vote have been part of vc 2.2? Was there a mod error?

As far as I have been told, your mod is an awesome guy who haven’t made any mistakes in this game so far.

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I'm interested in all this voting weirdness! You're doing it just so I can't use my automagic counting scripts to keep up with the game, aren't you? :-P

Anyway, now I've initialised my counter to work with the game, can I confirm a couple of discrepancies I've found in D1?
    1. Ash voted iguana at #146, but this wasn't reflected in Vote Count 1.3 at #176 (or for any of the remaining D1 vote counts, since he never moved his vote after that).
    2. Datswan's unvote at #393 wasn't counted in Vote Count 1.9 at #417 (he's shown as still voting Galz).

It might be useful to know for later whether that was a manifestation of early voting weirdness of the type we're now seeing with Morgrim.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #526 on: September 23, 2018, 05:03:24 pm »

I also had a vote that wasn't counted. I assumed it was because I said Tigger instead of WCD. During RVS.
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« Reply #527 on: September 23, 2018, 05:06:54 pm »

Why did you do ashersky? He's dead!

Trying to get a feel for -why- he's dead.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #528 on: September 23, 2018, 05:24:37 pm »

unvote, although I don’t think it will do anything.

I have absolutely no idea why my vote doesn’t count or why I’m voting for myself. I’m not controlling it, that much is clear. I’m not sure
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #529 on: September 23, 2018, 05:28:28 pm »

I also had a vote that wasn't counted. I assumed it was because I said Tigger instead of WCD. During RVS.

Yes, but that one was ignored by my script as not being a sensible nickname :-)

The script also reports ignored votes for "everyone" and "LaLight"... but the vote and unvote that were missed seemed to be correctly formed, and while Ash's vote at #146 was for "igu", I already had that on my list of commonly-accepted IguanaIguana aliases, so I'd be surprised if the vote didn't count for that reason. OTOH, it was at the end of a longer post, with text following on from the vote, and that's a common situation for a vote to be missed in a manual count.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #530 on: September 23, 2018, 05:49:12 pm »

Vote count 2.3

silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (1): silverspawn
Morgrim7 (2): chairs, SpaceAnemone
2.71828..... (1): EFHW
Not voting (5): DatSwan, Hydrad, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds, Morgrim7

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Lalight, should Morgrim's self vote have been part of vc 2.2? Was there a mod error?

As far as I have been told, your mod is an awesome guy who haven’t made any mistakes in this game so far.

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I'm interested in all this voting weirdness! You're doing it just so I can't use my automagic counting scripts to keep up with the game, aren't you? :-P

Anyway, now I've initialised my counter to work with the game, can I confirm a couple of discrepancies I've found in D1?
    1. Ash voted iguana at #146, but this wasn't reflected in Vote Count 1.3 at #176 (or for any of the remaining D1 vote counts, since he never moved his vote after that).
    2. Datswan's unvote at #393 wasn't counted in Vote Count 1.9 at #417 (he's shown as still voting Galz).

It might be useful to know for later whether that was a manifestation of early voting weirdness of the type we're now seeing with Morgrim.

I ASSUME you're asking me, because you reply to my post, but please, bold it next time. DatSwan's unvote at #393 was overlooked. You precious mod does make mistakes apparently.
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« Reply #531 on: September 23, 2018, 05:56:14 pm »

I ASSUME you're asking me, because you reply to my post, but please, bold it next time. DatSwan's unvote at #393 was overlooked. You precious mod does make mistakes apparently.

Yes, sorry for forgetting the bold!

Are you confirming that Ash's vote at #146 was correctly-formed and deliberately didn't show up in the vote count?

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #532 on: September 23, 2018, 05:57:25 pm »

I ASSUME you're asking me, because you reply to my post, but please, bold it next time. DatSwan's unvote at #393 was overlooked. You precious mod does make mistakes apparently.

Yes, sorry for forgetting the bold!

Are you confirming that Ash's vote at #146 was correctly-formed and deliberately didn't show up in the vote count?


I am.
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« Reply #533 on: September 23, 2018, 06:26:33 pm »

I am.

Thank you!

This is exciting! Kind of kicking myself for not having paid enough attention to get the counting script into play during D1, but I really was super-busy and then kind of burnt out.

The fact that Ash's power was mostly redacted may be relevant. OTOH, it may be something that was done to Ash and Morgrim, like someone who can target one player per night and have their vote do something weird the next day. If that's the case, and it was happening D1, I think it's more likely to be a scum power than a town one, because I think it's unusual to have townies with powers they can activate N0.

I wonder whether we should all be throwing some votes around to check whether it's just Morgrim, and also to see whether we can spot any other patterns in what's going on.

Vote: Galz

Just to see what happens. Though I'm not townreading Morgrim just yet.
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« Reply #534 on: September 23, 2018, 06:34:57 pm »

I ASSUME you're asking me, because you reply to my post, but please, bold it next time. DatSwan's unvote at #393 was overlooked. You precious mod does make mistakes apparently.

Yes, sorry for forgetting the bold!

Are you confirming that Ash's vote at #146 was correctly-formed and deliberately didn't show up in the vote count?


I am.
My Tigger vote -- was not counted for being an unrecognized nickname?
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« Reply #535 on: September 23, 2018, 06:35:33 pm »

previous message should be bold!
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« Reply #536 on: September 23, 2018, 06:36:25 pm »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #537 on: September 23, 2018, 06:38:08 pm »

Why did you do ashersky? He's dead!

Trying to get a feel for -why- he's dead.
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« Reply #538 on: September 23, 2018, 06:45:53 pm »

Why did you do ashersky? He's dead!

Trying to get a feel for -why- he's dead.
What did you conclude?

I’m at a loss. His reads, such as they were, weren’t borne out by the flips we’ve seen so far. Best guess I have is that he maybe targeted datswan (who he strongly townread) and that led to his demise? I need to do a datswan read next.

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« Reply #539 on: September 23, 2018, 06:59:21 pm »


This mystery voting mechanic is so interesting. And I think it has to be a scum power.

Morgrim, will you try voting for someone else so we can see what happens? It seems like when you unvote, that works.

And to see if i’m reistering correctly vote: DatSwan
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« Reply #540 on: September 23, 2018, 07:08:49 pm »

Why did you do ashersky? He's dead!

Trying to get a feel for -why- he's dead.
What did you conclude?

I’m at a loss. His reads, such as they were, weren’t borne out by the flips we’ve seen so far. Best guess I have is that he maybe targeted datswan (who he strongly townread) and that led to his demise? I need to do a datswan read next.

You know it was Iguana, not Ashersky, who was the person with the Weak Visitor component to their role, right?

While it's not impossible that Ash's role (or maybe the existence of a PGO-type role) would have also lead to his death through targeting someone, it seems a bit more unlikely, especially given that we know of another mechanism that was able to cause multiple deaths in a night, and several people hypothesise that Bart will also be present in the game and have some killing role.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #541 on: September 23, 2018, 07:10:24 pm »

I ASSUME you're asking me, because you reply to my post, but please, bold it next time. DatSwan's unvote at #393 was overlooked. You precious mod does make mistakes apparently.

Yes, sorry for forgetting the bold!

Are you confirming that Ash's vote at #146 was correctly-formed and deliberately didn't show up in the vote count?


I am.
My Tigger vote -- was not counted for being an unrecognized nickname?

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« Reply #542 on: September 23, 2018, 07:48:32 pm »

Why did you do ashersky? He's dead!

Trying to get a feel for -why- he's dead.
What did you conclude?

I’m at a loss. His reads, such as they were, weren’t borne out by the flips we’ve seen so far. Best guess I have is that he maybe targeted datswan (who he strongly townread) and that led to his demise? I need to do a datswan read next.

You know it was Iguana, not Ashersky, who was the person with the Weak Visitor component to their role, right?

While it's not impossible that Ash's role (or maybe the existence of a PGO-type role) would have also lead to his death through targeting someone, it seems a bit more unlikely, especially given that we know of another mechanism that was able to cause multiple deaths in a night, and several people hypothesise that Bart will also be present in the game and have some killing role.

I was hypothesizing based on the bodyguard component

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #543 on: September 23, 2018, 08:04:59 pm »

I was hypothesizing based on the bodyguard component

Which bodyguard component?

The way I read the flips, there is no bodyguard. Iguana had a role where he was protected if he was in girl form and hid behind a townie, but he died if he hid behind a scum.

As for Ash -- the person you did your re-read on looking for bodyguard clues(?) -- the details of his role were redacted, so there's nothing there to say anything about bodyguarding there either.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #544 on: September 23, 2018, 08:47:22 pm »

I was hypothesizing based on the bodyguard component

Which bodyguard component?

The way I read the flips, there is no bodyguard. Iguana had a role where he was protected if he was in girl form and hid behind a townie, but he died if he hid behind a scum.

As for Ash -- the person you did your re-read on looking for bodyguard clues(?) -- the details of his role were redacted, so there's nothing there to say anything about bodyguarding there either.

Go back and look at ash’s flip again. I’m waiting.

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« Reply #545 on: September 23, 2018, 10:22:34 pm »


This mystery voting mechanic is so interesting. And I think it has to be a scum power.

Morgrim, will you try voting for someone else so we can see what happens? It seems like when you unvote, that works.

And to see if i’m reistering correctly vote: DatSwan

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #546 on: September 23, 2018, 10:46:31 pm »

Are anyone else’s votes being controlled or not counted...

Earlier Space recommended we vote for someone to see, now that we know our votes may not be our own.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #547 on: September 23, 2018, 10:54:07 pm »

Test.
Vote: Galz
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« Reply #548 on: September 23, 2018, 11:20:59 pm »

Are anyone else’s votes being controlled or not counted...

Earlier Space recommended we vote for someone to see, now that we know our votes may not be our own.

We won't know until a VC
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #549 on: September 24, 2018, 02:40:28 am »

Hmm. well its nice that we have confirmed this stuff. but I don't know if we should keep spending the rest of the day on it as I'm guessing its a scum power and unless scum wants to claim it we won't really be able to figure out how it works.

Imma go back to Vote: WCD
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #550 on: September 24, 2018, 07:33:08 am »

Test vote: hydrad
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #551 on: September 24, 2018, 08:22:53 am »

Vote count, please
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #552 on: September 24, 2018, 08:42:28 am »

Vote count 2.4

silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (2): silverspawn, Hydrad
Morgrim7 (1): chairs
Galzria (2): SpaceAnemone, DatSwan
SpaceAnemone (1): EFHW
DatSwan (1): WestCoastDidds
Hydrad (1): Morgrim7
Not voting (1): 2.71828.....

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« Reply #553 on: September 24, 2018, 09:19:58 am »

Brief check in and unvote

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« Reply #554 on: September 24, 2018, 10:01:51 am »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #555 on: September 24, 2018, 01:27:59 pm »

If I was Bart the SK, then it would be clear what to do, and the time to do it would be night 1.

vote: e for being uncharacteristically unreasonable

Uncharacteristically? This is one of my better early D1 cases

Forget the case. You should do the plan.

Rereading silver and thinking about it, the plan should have been supported by all.  SKs are bad for both town and scum, because they are unpredictable and swingy.  I think I'm leaning townie on people that resisted the plan and scummy on the people pushing the plan, but much less scummy for silver who probably would push the plan as either alignment.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #556 on: September 24, 2018, 01:29:21 pm »

Ok I think we can safely conclude that the scumteam is e / EFHW / ashersky.

dayvig: EFHW

silver gives strong reads early, which is usually a town thing.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #557 on: September 24, 2018, 01:30:48 pm »

~snip~ - I'm glad I'm actually town this game, so we can work together rather than me having to try to be deceiving. Unless you're scum. That would suck. - ~snip~

This kind of thing always is scummy to me.
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« Reply #558 on: September 24, 2018, 01:32:03 pm »

I don't think any plan suggested has been clearly scum-helping. Not if clearly means that almost all players would agree if they were honest.

Which is not to say that reactions aren't alignment indicative.

Let's lynch Awaclus vote: Awaclus

This could be forced sticking to meta, or just actual sticking to meta.
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« Reply #559 on: September 24, 2018, 01:33:52 pm »

Pretty sure it's the opposite. I have an easier time seeing a scum getting several potential flavor names than a town getting ... false other claims?

Tunnel continues on Awaclus after the flavor claims.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #560 on: September 24, 2018, 01:37:54 pm »

ashersky, perhaps. vote: ash

He pops around on commonly mislynched peoples' wagons
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #561 on: September 24, 2018, 01:38:14 pm »

iguana is town and Awaclus is annoyingly probably town. the people to look at here are e and ... actually I don't know if anyone else is, really..

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« Reply #562 on: September 24, 2018, 01:39:51 pm »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #563 on: September 24, 2018, 01:39:56 pm »

vote: chairs is reasonable

More voting for common mislynches.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #564 on: September 24, 2018, 01:42:03 pm »

We only have 24 hours left until day one ends, people. I'm guessing that silver will end up being lynched which I guess I am okay with at this point, but I would rather lynch chairs. Or galz.

Also I am very impressed with you guys for not mislynching me yet, usually that has happened by now

I don't think I was ever particularly close to being lynched. Every game has a day 1 silver wagon, and it's always for reasons that, if they correlate with my alignment, do so negatively rather than positively. I don't think I've literally ever been lynched day 1 when I was scum, but a few times when I was town.

If nobody changes their votes in the next 20ish hours, you're gonna be lynched. I would say that is pretty close. Unlikely to happen (for better or for worse), but close nonetheless.

I mean I'm not particularly close to getting lynched, as in not any closer than any other day 1. But yes, people should change their votes, and reasonable people like e should stop being silly.

Is silver more likely to fight off a correct lynch or a mislynch?  Does anyone know off the top of their heads?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #565 on: September 24, 2018, 01:43:44 pm »

Next item - Silver has had a lot going on around him, but I'm not sure that he's scum:

Last game I played with him, he was scum, and I correctly read him as scum D1. The gist of my case against him was that he was subtly trying to direct town. Here, he also has posts where he seems to be attempting to direct players opinions... but I find it to be much more forward, and much less subtle. Silver said at the end of his scum game that what I was reading in him D1 wasn't because he was scum, but it was just that I didn't understand they Bayesian style of his speech... but honestly, I don't feel like that's correct - or at least, I definitely see a difference between this game and that one. I just feel like when he was scum, he was very subtle in what he said/did, and that's not really the case here. I think he's getting in trouble for the same things - but I think it's a false positive read that others are picking up on.

I think you're wrong about that the things you pointed out in your day 1 case were scum indicative, but probably correct about my bluntness being town indicative. Of course I said in the past that I think of this as a reliable tell for me, and I have definitely tried to emulate that as scum in the past, but even so I think it's still a valid tell. Also, regardless of what exactly it is that I do differently as scum and town, "feels different" is a reasonable starting point.

I also think that I am pretty hard to read, but nonetheless, town recently does a particularly terrible job at it. I feel like I'm lynched relatively more often as town than scum. as soon as I get my program to detect that kind of stuff I'm going to check whether that's actually true.

All of this is saying that people are bad at reading you, which is exactly what you would say as scum when you were being scum read.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #566 on: September 24, 2018, 01:45:41 pm »

i can jump on the kill new players strat. I think iguana brings up good points

Vote:WCD

Second, and on the topic of WCD/Iguana, this is, by far, the scummiest post in the entire game, and I'm surprised that nobody to this point has brought this up. It just reeks as opportunistic.

That's a very reasonable thing to conclude and would be correct for most players, but  I think it's  wrong here. Hydrad is super conventionally scummy as town and perhaps somewhat less scummy as scum. I once set myself the goal of trying to "figure out" one particular player and really develop accurate reads on them, and I ended up choosing Hydrad. It mostly didn't work because I still find him frustratingly difficult to read, but I am pretty sure that super scummy looking opportunistic votes are not scum indiciative.

This is a strange post where silver is just defending Hydrad.  Could be white knighting, IDK.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #567 on: September 24, 2018, 01:47:05 pm »

oh yes yes yes vote: Awaclus

Goes back to Awaclus even after he had decided that his claim was townie.  This is by far the scummiest thing that I've found.
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« Reply #568 on: September 24, 2018, 01:47:37 pm »

I'll be here at deadline.

The Awaclus wagon looks really scummy to me. It's because he was here and then not here? That's not super incriminating. The first two people jumping on the wagon are the two alternative wagons, so that makes me feel better about those.

Awaclus wagons are always towny.

Not so subtle in trying to direct town.
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« Reply #569 on: September 24, 2018, 01:49:01 pm »

That is everything from D1.  I still think he is scum.  His positioning on the lynching Awaclus wagon after his earlier wagon fizzled when Awaclus had claimed, combined with the sudden change of read on Awaclus is very scummy.
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« Reply #570 on: September 24, 2018, 02:13:44 pm »

i can jump on the kill new players strat. I think iguana brings up good points

Vote:WCD

Second, and on the topic of WCD/Iguana, this is, by far, the scummiest post in the entire game, and I'm surprised that nobody to this point has brought this up. It just reeks as opportunistic.

That's a very reasonable thing to conclude and would be correct for most players, but  I think it's  wrong here. Hydrad is super conventionally scummy as town and perhaps somewhat less scummy as scum. I once set myself the goal of trying to "figure out" one particular player and really develop accurate reads on them, and I ended up choosing Hydrad. It mostly didn't work because I still find him frustratingly difficult to read, but I am pretty sure that super scummy looking opportunistic votes are not scum indiciative.

This is a strange post where silver is just defending Hydrad.  Could be white knighting, IDK.

That's called actually sharing my honest assessment.

Next item - Silver has had a lot going on around him, but I'm not sure that he's scum:

Last game I played with him, he was scum, and I correctly read him as scum D1. The gist of my case against him was that he was subtly trying to direct town. Here, he also has posts where he seems to be attempting to direct players opinions... but I find it to be much more forward, and much less subtle. Silver said at the end of his scum game that what I was reading in him D1 wasn't because he was scum, but it was just that I didn't understand they Bayesian style of his speech... but honestly, I don't feel like that's correct - or at least, I definitely see a difference between this game and that one. I just feel like when he was scum, he was very subtle in what he said/did, and that's not really the case here. I think he's getting in trouble for the same things - but I think it's a false positive read that others are picking up on.

I think you're wrong about that the things you pointed out in your day 1 case were scum indicative, but probably correct about my bluntness being town indicative. Of course I said in the past that I think of this as a reliable tell for me, and I have definitely tried to emulate that as scum in the past, but even so I think it's still a valid tell. Also, regardless of what exactly it is that I do differently as scum and town, "feels different" is a reasonable starting point.

I also think that I am pretty hard to read, but nonetheless, town recently does a particularly terrible job at it. I feel like I'm lynched relatively more often as town than scum. as soon as I get my program to detect that kind of stuff I'm going to check whether that's actually true.

All of this is saying that people are bad at reading you, which is exactly what you would say as scum when you were being scum read.

I might have said it as scum, too. Because it's true. I've had day 1 wagons reliably every game for such a long time, it's annoying.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #571 on: September 24, 2018, 02:14:41 pm »

oh yes yes yes vote: Awaclus

Goes back to Awaclus even after he had decided that his claim was townie.  This is by far the scummiest thing that I've found.

If you think I only want to lynch awaclus as scum, you're, well, wrong.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #572 on: September 24, 2018, 02:16:58 pm »

That is everything from D1.  I still think he is scum.  His positioning on the lynching Awaclus wagon after his earlier wagon fizzled when Awaclus had claimed, combined with the sudden change of read on Awaclus is very scummy.

I changed my read because when I first said it was scummy I didn't even know he had flavor claimed. Then when someone pointed it out, I went back and saw it and agreed that it was probably more towny. So I can't push the lynch.  But then someone else (wasn't that you?) said they thought he was scum,  and I'm not going to not support an Awaclus lynch, so I supported it.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #573 on: September 24, 2018, 02:30:36 pm »

oh yes yes yes vote: Awaclus

Goes back to Awaclus even after he had decided that his claim was townie.  This is by far the scummiest thing that I've found.

If you think I only want to lynch awaclus as scum, you're, well, wrong.

I think you always want to lynch awaclus as any alignment, I think you do it like you did here when you're scum.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #574 on: September 24, 2018, 03:02:36 pm »

Ok, differently how and how do you think you know that?

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #575 on: September 24, 2018, 03:03:00 pm »

I mean how do you think I would do it differently as town.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #576 on: September 24, 2018, 06:32:39 pm »

I was hypothesizing based on the bodyguard component

Which bodyguard component?

The way I read the flips, there is no bodyguard. Iguana had a role where he was protected if he was in girl form and hid behind a townie, but he died if he hid behind a scum.

As for Ash -- the person you did your re-read on looking for bodyguard clues(?) -- the details of his role were redacted, so there's nothing there to say anything about bodyguarding there either.

Go back and look at ash’s flip again. I’m waiting.

Cool, that was what I was missing! Though a probable 1/4 chance of being a bodyguard (using equal probabilities given that the rest of the mechanism seems to have been in the redacted part) doesn't seem all that likely, so I still think it's weird to make that assumption for a re-read.

It could have been a good one to help in Galz's (I think it was Galz's.. too late at night for me to go trawling too much through old posts!) argument against my suggestion that Ash being the apparent NK target might mean something about the scumteam that picked him, if there's a bit of a chance that he wasn't the one scum picked.. nobody else brought that point up, though.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #577 on: September 24, 2018, 06:35:36 pm »

To be fair my read started as “why did they target ash” and then went “maybe they didn’t “ but I’m a little cantankerous :P

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« Reply #578 on: September 24, 2018, 06:47:00 pm »

I think using a bodyguard action is a pretty bad idea – worse than not doing anything – so the prior of ash having used it should be lower than 1/4. And if he did, the chance for it to have killed him is quite small, too.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #579 on: September 24, 2018, 06:59:11 pm »

I think using a bodyguard action is a pretty bad idea – worse than not doing anything – so the prior of ash having used it should be lower than 1/4. And if he did, the chance for it to have killed him is quite small, too.

We don't know whether it was a conscious choice, though. Iguana's power appears to have been a thing where he targeted someone and then at the end of the night he got told whether he'd been tracking or hiding, so it wouldn't be totally unbelievable for Ash's role to work in some kind of a similar way. Or maybe to be conditional on actions by other members of the Rowdy three or something, assuming more of them exist.
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« Reply #580 on: September 25, 2018, 03:26:52 am »

I am still here sorry. Will put in work tomorrow. Had a hell of a weekend.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #581 on: September 25, 2018, 03:37:08 am »

Vote count 2.5

silverspawn (3): gkrieg13, Galzria, Morgrim7
WestCoastDidds (2): silverspawn, Hydrad
Galzria (2): SpaceAnemone, DatSwan
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« Reply #582 on: September 25, 2018, 05:24:41 am »

Huh.. Morgrim's voting again, and he hasn't been active on the site for almost 12 hours.

Is it a bit bastard to allow one player to control another's votes, or do we think that's what's happening.

Could he be controlling them himself by QT, but at a delay because of timezones and our mod needing to be awake for vote counts to get posted?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #583 on: September 25, 2018, 10:40:50 am »

unvote

I didn’t vote for silverspawn on a QT or anywhere. I have no idea what is going on.

I have a huge presentation that I need to prepare for work by Friday. I’ll still have access but that’s gonna he taking up most of my time, so don’t expect too much content from me.

I’ll build my case against silver though because apparently that actually needed to happen. I think I need to reevaluate a few things now that I know my vote isn’t actually my vote, though.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #584 on: September 25, 2018, 11:34:04 am »

Really sorry I haven’t been able to be active. Wtf at this morgrim vote thing. I don’t feel like morgrim comes off as a liar when he says he’s not controlling his vote though so I’m pretty firmly in the “has to be a scum trick” camp.

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« Reply #585 on: September 25, 2018, 11:59:04 am »

Ya I believe morgrim not controlling his vote. I mean why would he randomly show that he can't control it here at the start of the day where he doesn't gain anything.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #586 on: September 25, 2018, 12:00:46 pm »

I guess the one thing that there is a chance it could be is if ash is controlling it. That would be weird tho. But I don't even know how I could ask if it's ash controlling it without someone that's not ash being able to pretend it is ash
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #587 on: September 25, 2018, 12:25:18 pm »

You mean dead ash?

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #588 on: September 25, 2018, 02:35:48 pm »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #589 on: September 25, 2018, 03:13:08 pm »


I agree that it is likely a scum trait, but it probably marks Morgrim has not scum. I'm still guessing that his soul (vote) is being swapped by scum, although it could be dead ash since he was redacted...and it does seem Rowdy-ish!

It is mos def weird, and I can't figure out how this helps us, although keeping an eye on who Morgrim's vote is being shifted to is likely insightful. Whoever is controlling it probably isn't using it to vote for themselves or their scum buddies, right?


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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #590 on: September 25, 2018, 03:38:54 pm »

Part of my ability messes with my own vote, not with anyone else's.
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« Reply #591 on: September 25, 2018, 03:54:30 pm »

Sorry I have been absent. Will reread and post whatever I find tonight
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« Reply #592 on: September 25, 2018, 07:28:48 pm »

Wow, slow day.. only nine posts since my post this morning about Morgrim voting, and it's bedtime already.

I wonder whether the fact he appeared on a "Popular" wagon gives us any clue about whose puppet he is right now. Personally, I'm not quite a fan of the silver wagon yet.
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« Reply #593 on: September 25, 2018, 07:54:56 pm »

Wow, slow day.. only nine posts since my post this morning about Morgrim voting, and it's bedtime already.

I wonder whether the fact he appeared on a "Popular" wagon gives us any clue about whose puppet he is right now. Personally, I'm not quite a fan of the silver wagon yet.

Did you vote for galzria?
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« Reply #594 on: September 25, 2018, 07:56:13 pm »

Wow, slow day.. only nine posts since my post this morning about Morgrim voting, and it's bedtime already.

I wonder whether the fact he appeared on a "Popular" wagon gives us any clue about whose puppet he is right now. Personally, I'm not quite a fan of the silver wagon yet.

Did you vote for galzria?

Never mind, missed it the first time through.  Why are you still voting for galzria?  Do you have any scum reads?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #595 on: September 25, 2018, 09:05:01 pm »

Part of my ability messes with my own vote, not with anyone else's.
If someone was "borrowing" your ability, would it have these effects?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #596 on: September 25, 2018, 09:11:10 pm »

Now Morgrim is on silver, when before his vote on silver was ignored. There doesn't seem to be a pattern in the ways his vote is changed. This could be a game level thing, rather tham a person using an ability.
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« Reply #597 on: September 25, 2018, 09:19:02 pm »

I will get caught up tonight - weekends are always crazy time for me and then I picked up some classes yesterday that have thrown my whole schedule off... although this waking up at 5:00am to go swim thing that I've recently started probably hasn't helped either...
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« Reply #598 on: September 25, 2018, 09:52:51 pm »

Part of my ability messes with my own vote, not with anyone else's.
If someone was "borrowing" your ability, would it have these effects?

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« Reply #599 on: September 25, 2018, 09:54:17 pm »

Also we only have until tomorrow really to lynch.  No one has responded to anything I said about silver, which makes me not want to do other targeted rereads.
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« Reply #600 on: September 25, 2018, 09:54:43 pm »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #601 on: September 25, 2018, 10:11:22 pm »


Unvote

Sorry, I forgot about the test vote from before.

If Morgrim vote is loopy because he’s been swapped, he’s probably town. And if his vote is being put on silver, he’s likely town as well.
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« Reply #602 on: September 25, 2018, 10:29:25 pm »

Also we only have until tomorrow really to lynch.  No one has responded to anything I said about silver, which makes me not want to do other targeted rereads.

I am currently voting Silver, and for different reasons than you’ve given. I believe that without having to explicitly state these reasons that they should be clear to anybody that takes a moment to evaluate everything that’s been said,claimed and done. This is relevant only because I believe that stating these reasons would -probably- be anti-town... especially as it’s not actually my place to expand on them. If I need to in order to help get the lynch through then I will. Otherwise, I simply encourage rereading everyone, evaluating what you’ve read, and then voting Silver.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #603 on: September 25, 2018, 11:49:31 pm »

Also we only have until tomorrow really to lynch.  No one has responded to anything I said about silver, which makes me not want to do other targeted rereads.

I am currently voting Silver, and for different reasons than you’ve given. I believe that without having to explicitly state these reasons that they should be clear to anybody that takes a moment to evaluate everything that’s been said,claimed and done. This is relevant only because I believe that stating these reasons would -probably- be anti-town... especially as it’s not actually my place to expand on them. If I need to in order to help get the lynch through then I will. Otherwise, I simply encourage rereading everyone, evaluating what you’ve read, and then voting Silver.

You do the [reasons] thing too much to make this statement. I am not calling you skummy for it, and I understand the value in what you are suggesting in this post... but you should accept the... "paranoia" it creates for the rest of us. Reason being that if it is so obvious that everyone should see it... then skum sees it too, so what is the downside of putting it on the table if you already expect everyone to know the answer? Keep in mind, I only speak for me here, and I COMPLETELY accept that it is likely that I am just being a dodo and am like the only one that does not get it.

Additionally, as you stated, I assume if the reasons were necessary to get a lynch off you assume to be correct... that you would in fact divulge them.

Now all of that is assuming you are Town. And as I am town reading you at this point I guess I will get on board.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #604 on: September 25, 2018, 11:52:26 pm »


Unvote

Sorry, I forgot about the test vote from before.

If Morgrim vote is loopy because he’s been swapped, he’s probably town. And if his vote is being put on silver, he’s likely town as well.

You posted something else like this earlier as well...

1) Town points to WCD as I don't think they would make this point multiple times as skum, and they also probably truley believe it is an accurate statement.

2) WCD - We are playing with fucking magicians. If you are town then it is almost GTD that there is at least a decade of experience under the belt of the skum team. Assume that they have mapped out some shit. For reference, look at the game we just finished. I am NOT saying you must be wrong, I am just saying that you shouldn't dismiss it as an option.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #605 on: September 26, 2018, 12:06:09 am »

Gonna do this so it is on public record. Starting at VC 1.5 where I found the first error.

VC 1.5
Morgrim7 (1):, SpaceAnemone
iguanaiguana (1): Hydrad
EFHW (1): gkrieg13
WestCoastDidds (2): iguanaiguana, chairs
silverspawn (4): Awaclus, Morgrim7, 2.71828....., EFHW
Galzria (1): DatSwan
ashersky (1): silverspawn
2.71828..... (1): WestCoastDidds
Not voting (2): Galzria, ashersky

EFHW is correctly on silver.
2.7 is correctly on silver.
WCD is correctly on 2.7
SS is correctly on Ashes
Morgrim is correctly on silver.
Swan is correctly on Galz.
Awaclus is correctly on silver.
Chairs is correctly on silver.
Iguana is correctly on WCD.
Space is correctly on Morgrim.
GK is correctly on EFHW.
Galz and Ashes both not voting and had not voted.
Hydrad votes WCD in 259. Instead he is on Iguana.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #606 on: September 26, 2018, 12:10:36 am »

VC 1.6
Morgrim7 (1):, SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Hydrad
silverspawn (5): Awaclus, 2.71828....., EFHW, chairs, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
ashersky (1): silverspawn
2.71828..... (1): WestCoastDidds
SpaceAnemone (1): iguanaiguana
chairs (1): Morgrim7
Not voting (2): Galzria, ashersky

Chairs moves to silver
Igu moves to Space
Morgrim votes Chairs
Hydrad moves to WCD
GK moves to silver
Everything seems to be in order
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #607 on: September 26, 2018, 12:12:32 am »

VC 1.7
Morgrim7 (1):, SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Hydrad
silverspawn (5): Awaclus, 2.71828....., EFHW, chairs, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
chairs (4): Morgrim7, silverspawn, WestCoastDidds, iguanaiguana
Not voting (2): Galzria, ashersky

Silver votes Chairs
WCD votes Chairs
Igu votes Chairs
Everything checks out.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #608 on: September 26, 2018, 12:14:31 am »

VC 1.8
Morgrim7 (1):, SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Hydrad
silverspawn (3): Awaclus, EFHW, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
chairs (4): Morgrim7, silverspawn, WestCoastDidds, iguanaiguana
Hydrad (3): Galzria, chairs, 2.71828.....
Not voting (1): ashersky

Galz votes Hydrad.
Chairs votes Hydrad
2.7 votes Hydrad
Everything checks out.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #609 on: September 26, 2018, 12:22:35 am »

VC 1.9
Morgrim7 (1): SpaceAnemone
silverspawn (3): Awaclus, EFHW, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
chairs (1): Hydrad
Awaclus (7): iguanaiguana, Galzria, silverspawn, chairs, Morgrim7, WestCoastDidds, 2.71828.....
Not voting (1): ashersky
Hydrad votes Chairs
Igu votes Awaclus
Galz votes Awaclus
SS votes Awaclus
Chairs votes Awaclus
Swan unvotes – Ended up being on Galz still.
Morgrim votes Awaclus
WCD votes Awaclus
2.7 votes Awaclus

Swan unvote was not registered.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #610 on: September 26, 2018, 12:24:07 am »

Day 1 Final VC
Morgrim7 (1): SpaceAnemone
silverspawn (3): Awaclus, EFHW, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
Awaclus (8): iguanaiguana, Galzria, silverspawn, chairs, Morgrim7, WestCoastDidds, 2.71828....., Hydrad
Not voting (1): ashersky

Hydrad votes for Awaclus
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #611 on: September 26, 2018, 12:28:39 am »

So Day 1 there are two issues I see:

1) Hydrad votes WCD in 259. Instead he ends up on Iguana.

2) My unvote from Galz did not register.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #612 on: September 26, 2018, 12:29:18 am »

OK thats day 1.
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« Reply #613 on: September 26, 2018, 12:37:28 am »

correction in 1.3 Ashes tries to vote Igu and it does not register also.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #614 on: September 26, 2018, 03:57:10 am »

VC 2.1
silverspawn (1): gkrieg13
WestCoastDidds (1): silverspawn
Not voting (9): Galzria, SpaceAnemone, EFHW, DatSwan, Hydrad, Morgrim7, chairs, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds

GK votes silver
SS votes WCD
Morgrim votes silver

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #615 on: September 26, 2018, 04:00:18 am »

VC 2.2

silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (1): silverspawn
Morgrim7 (2): chairs, SpaceAnemone
2.71828..... (1): EFHW
Not voting (5): DatSwan, Hydrad, Morgrim7, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds


Chairs votes for Morgrim
Galz votes for silver
Space votes for Morgrim
EFHW votes for 2.7

Everything checks out. Morgrim is still not voting for silverspawn.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #616 on: September 26, 2018, 04:06:49 am »

VC 2.3 is directly after VC 2.2 - MOD posted because Galz bringz up "did you not see the Morgrim vote on silverspawn". MOD also notes that Swan's vote previously dictated in my wall post's was in fact a MISTAKE.



VC 2.4

silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (2): silverspawn, Hydrad
Morgrim7 (1): chairs
Galzria (2): SpaceAnemone, DatSwan
SpaceAnemone (1): EFHW
DatSwan (1): WestCoastDidds
Hydrad (1): Morgrim7
Not voting (1): 2.71828.....

Space votes Galz
EFHW votes Space
WCD votes Swan
Swan Votes Galz
Hydrad votes WCD

Everything checks out.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #617 on: September 26, 2018, 04:11:15 am »

VC 2.5

silverspawn (3): gkrieg13, Galzria, Morgrim7
WestCoastDidds (2): silverspawn, Hydrad
Galzria (2): SpaceAnemone, DatSwan
DatSwan (1): WestCoastDidds
Not voting (3): 2.71828....., chairs, EFHW
Chairs Unvotes
EFHW Unvotes
Morgrim Unvotes – No. Morgrim switches to silverspawn.

Difference is that Morgrim tries to unvote Hydrad, but instead votes silverspawn.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #618 on: September 26, 2018, 04:14:31 am »

VC 2.6

?????

Morgrim Unvotes
WCD Unvotes
Swan Votes silverspawn

Do not yet know what took and didn't take vote-wise.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #619 on: September 26, 2018, 04:21:09 am »

VC 2.3 is directly after VC 2.2 - MOD posted because Galz bringz up "did you not see the Morgrim vote on silverspawn". MOD also notes that Swan's vote previously dictated in my wall post's was in fact a MISTAKE.



VC 2.4

silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (2): silverspawn, Hydrad
Morgrim7 (1): chairs
Galzria (2): SpaceAnemone, DatSwan
SpaceAnemone (1): EFHW
DatSwan (1): WestCoastDidds
Hydrad (1): Morgrim7
Not voting (1): 2.71828.....

Space votes Galz
EFHW votes Space
WCD votes Swan
Swan Votes Galz
Hydrad votes WCD

Everything checks out.

Correction:
Morgrim votes for Hydrad and it registers.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #620 on: September 26, 2018, 04:46:57 am »

Swan unvote was not registered.

I already posted about this, and we have confirmation from LaLight back at post #530 that the unvote was not supposed to have been missed out.

I also posted about the Ash one at #146, but if there was another one with Hydrad then I missed it.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #621 on: September 26, 2018, 04:53:14 am »

Galz and gkrieg seem entrenched in their silver case.

I've left my "test vote" on Galz because I think he's being lazy about giving a good justification. Gkrieg is trying harder, at least, but I still don't think it's enough to go on.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #622 on: September 26, 2018, 04:53:56 am »

When all is said and done, after the MOD has clarified on errors, we are left with:

- Day 1: Ashes tries to vote for Iguana and it doesn't register
- Day 1: Hydrad votes for WCD, but ends up voting for Iguana
- Coming up to 2.1:  Morgrim's vote on silverspawn does not register
- Coming up to 2.5: Morgrim tries to unvote Hydrad, but votes silverspawn


I am sure I am missing something here, so please help and point it out. However, acting under the assumption my posts are accurate we have 3 points to look at:

1) Ashes trying to vote for Iguana - They are both conf!town... so not really anything to be made of that other than they were probably not involved in the decision.
2) Hydrad tries to vote WCD, but ends up voting Iguana.
3) Morgrim tries to vote silverspawn, and eventually ends up on silverspawn. He does this by in the interim voting Hydrad, and when unvoting, ends up on silverspawn.

From point #1 we gain essentially nothing. There could be a theory about the two being unknowingly tied together as Town, but upon skimming the wiki page for the show.. I see nothing.
From point #2 we find a link between Hydrad, WCD, and Town!Iguana
From point #3 we find a link between Morgrim, silverspawn, and Hydrad.


The LCDs here are Hydrad and silverspawn. I have no freekin clue what the mechanic in play here is - but, given the information, I think we should lynch within Hydrad!SS. Specifically, I think we should lynch SS because if they flip town we will gain a ton of re-read information based on the fact this has been pretty much the only thing that has been talked about thus far.

That is what I got. Deadline is like 22 hours from now my time I think. I will not be here until the last 4-5 hours, but I should be here for the last 4-5 hours.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #623 on: September 26, 2018, 04:57:45 am »

Also we only have until tomorrow really to lynch.  No one has responded to anything I said about silver, which makes me not want to do other targeted rereads.

I am no-one?

I think your case was very weak, and that people should take this as weak evidence that I am in fact town. Which I am.

Lynching me without a case, which is what galz is suggesting, is outrageously anti-town. He basically said "the reasons are obv plx".

Listen dude. I would without hesitation bet money with you that the reasons are not obvious, in that most people would reread me and if they had to build a case wouldn't share y our reasons.

Also you're wrong.

Also you're anti town.

I suggest you unvote or write down your reasons so I can tell you why you're wrong.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #624 on: September 26, 2018, 04:59:29 am »

I think we should lynch within Hydrad!SS.

Come on this is not what ! means. You say property!player. If you say hydrad!ss it means ss (who is hydrad)

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #625 on: September 26, 2018, 05:01:08 am »

The LCDs here are Hydrad and silverspawn. I have no freekin clue what the mechanic in play here is - but, given the information, I think we should lynch within Hydrad!SS. Specifically, I think we should lynch SS because if they flip town we will gain a ton of re-read information based on the fact this has been pretty much the only thing that has been talked about thus far.

What is LCD?

If you're suggesting that you should vote for either of us because we were involved as targets in the weird voting mechanic, that is, err, stupid?

Saying we should lynch me, not because I might be scum, but for information, is also stupid.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #626 on: September 26, 2018, 05:01:41 am »

I think we should lynch within Hydrad!SS.

Come on this is not what ! means. You say property!player. If you say hydrad!ss it means ss (who is hydrad)

I apologize. I did not know that. I have used that a ton on here and no one has ever called me out on it.


To rephrase - "I think we should lynch within [Hydrad, silverspawn]"
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #627 on: September 26, 2018, 05:02:13 am »

The LCDs here are Hydrad and silverspawn. I have no freekin clue what the mechanic in play here is - but, given the information, I think we should lynch within Hydrad!SS. Specifically, I think we should lynch SS because if they flip town we will gain a ton of re-read information based on the fact this has been pretty much the only thing that has been talked about thus far.

What is LCD?

If you're suggesting that you should vote for either of us because we were involved as targets in the weird voting mechanic, that is, err, stupid?

Saying we should lynch me, not because I might be scum, but for information, is also stupid.

Seems like you already grasp what LCD means....
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #628 on: September 26, 2018, 05:03:37 am »

Galz and gkrieg seem entrenched in their silver case.

I've left my "test vote" on Galz because I think he's being lazy about giving a good justification. Gkrieg is trying harder, at least, but I still don't think it's enough to go on.

I'm not saying I think silver is conf!town, but I'm saying I'm not interested in the cases on him today.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #629 on: September 26, 2018, 05:04:41 am »

Galz and gkrieg seem entrenched in their silver case.

I've left my "test vote" on Galz because I think he's being lazy about giving a good justification. Gkrieg is trying harder, at least, but I still don't think it's enough to go on.

I'm not saying I think silver is conf!town, but I'm saying I'm not interested in the cases on him today.

yes I know, I wasn't trying to dissolve your previous comments. I was just reading through from start to finish and posting all of it as I went.

Obviously, I meant to quote your previous post - sorry.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #630 on: September 26, 2018, 05:05:30 am »

Also galz you have admitted that I feel DIFFERENT from the past game where I was scum. The natural conclusion to draw from that is that I'm town, not scum. Yet somehow you just say "well but obvious reasons now you're scum". This is incredibly annoying. I hope I am not this annoying when I'm tunneling someone.

Seems like you already grasp what LCD means....
But what's it an abbreviation for?

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #631 on: September 26, 2018, 05:06:53 am »

Also galz you have admitted that I feel DIFFERENT from the past game where I was scum. The natural conclusion to draw from that is that I'm town, not scum. Yet somehow you just say "well but obvious reasons now you're scum". This is incredibly annoying. I hope I am not this annoying when I'm tunneling someone.

Seems like you already grasp what LCD means....
But what's it an abbreviation for?

Lowest Common Denominator
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #632 on: September 26, 2018, 05:11:18 am »

Also galz you have admitted that I feel DIFFERENT from the past game where I was scum. The natural conclusion to draw from that is that I'm town, not scum. Yet somehow you just say "well but obvious reasons now you're scum". This is incredibly annoying. I hope I am not this annoying when I'm tunneling someone.

Seems like you already grasp what LCD means....
But what's it an abbreviation for?

Also... you could be "SK, not skum"
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #633 on: September 26, 2018, 05:16:10 am »

Galz and gkrieg seem entrenched in their silver case.

I've left my "test vote" on Galz because I think he's being lazy about giving a good justification. Gkrieg is trying harder, at least, but I still don't think it's enough to go on.

I'm not saying I think silver is conf!town, but I'm saying I'm not interested in the cases on him today.

yes I know, I wasn't trying to dissolve your previous comments. I was just reading through from start to finish and posting all of it as I went.

Yeah, but it's nicer for other people if you flag your intentions up-front. To me it totally looked like you were ignoring stuff I'd said ~90 posts ago, filling the thread with a load of stuff that's purely mechanical and offers no insight or conversation to the other people in the thread, and boils down to one little post where you say "hey, here are three points where things don't make sense".

One little post saying "I found these three voting mismatches, and I wonder why Space missed the Hydrad one? Maybe they're scum together!" would have been a much better way of getting some engagement going. Flooding the thread with stuff that the conversational people aren't interested in re-reading, verifying or engaging with, in a game that's already stalling pretty badly, doesn't actually seem all that pro-town.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #634 on: September 26, 2018, 05:36:05 am »

Let's provide some alternatives. I'll do a reread of...

someone who hasn't been talked about.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #635 on: September 26, 2018, 05:42:26 am »

Galz and gkrieg seem entrenched in their silver case.

I've left my "test vote" on Galz because I think he's being lazy about giving a good justification. Gkrieg is trying harder, at least, but I still don't think it's enough to go on.

I'm not saying I think silver is conf!town, but I'm saying I'm not interested in the cases on him today.

yes I know, I wasn't trying to dissolve your previous comments. I was just reading through from start to finish and posting all of it as I went.

Yeah, but it's nicer for other people if you flag your intentions up-front. To me it totally looked like you were ignoring stuff I'd said ~90 posts ago, filling the thread with a load of stuff that's purely mechanical and offers no insight or conversation to the other people in the thread, and boils down to one little post where you say "hey, here are three points where things don't make sense".

One little post saying "I found these three voting mismatches, and I wonder why Space missed the Hydrad one? Maybe they're scum together!" would have been a much better way of getting some engagement going. Flooding the thread with stuff that the conversational people aren't interested in re-reading, verifying or engaging with, in a game that's already stalling pretty badly, doesn't actually seem all that pro-town.

I disagree with you that I am "flooding the thread" with "stuff the conversational people are not interested in reading" - I posted a summarized VCA based on the mechanic that is being discussed so that we can look at it from a compartmentalized POV. As there are literally NO "conversational" people in the game to point - outside of that one single point of observation - I do not see  how you disregarding by summary of events is helpful at all.

and again, in case you didn't grab it the first time, I apologize - my intention of the posts was to point out the links between the players mentioned multiple times, not to call you out on the one small thing.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #636 on: September 26, 2018, 05:43:19 am »

Let's provide some alternatives. I'll do a reread of...

someone who hasn't been talked about.

e.

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« Reply #637 on: September 26, 2018, 05:44:34 am »

First a voting history. L-X not included for day 2 because I still haven't implemented it properly.

#51: Awaclus votes silverspawn (L-5)
#52: e votes ashersky (L-5)
#55: chairs votes Morgrim7 (L-5)
#57: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-4)
#58: silverspawn votes e (L-5)
#62: gkrieg13 votes WestCoastDidds (L-5)
#72: Hydrad votes SpaceAnemone (L-5)
#73: Hydrad votes Galzria (L-5)
#74: Hydrad votes DatSwan (L-5)
#85: SpaceAnemone votes Morgrim7 (L-4)
#103: e votes iguanaiguana (L-5)
#111: silverspawn votes e (L-5)
#140: Hydrad votes iguanaiguana (L-4)
#146: ashersky votes iguanaiguana (L-3)
#168: gkrieg13 votes EFHW (L-5)
#177: EFHW unvotes
#178: Awaclus votes EFHW (L-4)
#180: Morgrim7 unvotes
#189: silverspawn votes Awaclus (L-5)
#194: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-5)
#200: Morgrim7 votes silverspawn (L-4)
#212: EFHW unvotes
#220: iguanaiguana votes WestCoastDidds (L-5)
#229: chairs votes WestCoastDidds (L-4)
#230: Morgrim7 votes WestCoastDidds (L-3)
#231: EFHW votes chairs (L-5)
#232: Awaclus votes silverspawn (L-5)
#235: DatSwan votes Galzria (L-5)
#237: Morgrim7 votes silverspawn (L-4)
#242: silverspawn votes ashersky (L-5)
#244: WestCoastDidds votes e (L-5)
#253: e votes silverspawn (L-3)
#284: EFHW votes WestCoastDidds (L-3)
#285: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-2)
#288: chairs votes silverspawn (L-1)
#291: iguanaiguana votes e (L-4)
#293: Morgrim7 unvotes
#301: Hydrad votes WestCoastDidds (L-5)
#304: gkrieg13 votes silverspawn (L-1)
#305: iguanaiguana votes SpaceAnemone (L-5)
#307: Morgrim7 votes chairs (L-5)
#313: silverspawn votes chairs (L-4)
#315: WestCoastDidds votes chairs (L-3)
#316: iguanaiguana votes chairs (L-2)
#346: Galzria votes Hydrad (L-5)
#347: chairs votes Hydrad (L-4)
#349: e votes Hydrad (L-3)
#360: Hydrad votes chairs (L-1)
#374: iguanaiguana votes Awaclus (L-5)
#385: Galzria votes Awaclus (L-4)
#386: silverspawn votes Awaclus (L-3)
#387: chairs votes Awaclus (L-2)
#393: DatSwan unvotes
#397: Morgrim7 votes Awaclus (L-1)
#405: WestCoastDidds hammers Awaclus
#413: e votes Awaclus (L--1)
#420: Hydrad votes Awaclus (L--2)
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#433: gkrieg13 votes silverspawn
#439: silverspawn votes EFHW
#452: silverspawn votes WestCoastDidds
#480: Morgrim7 votes silverspawn
#488: chairs votes Morgrim7
#489: Galzria votes silverspawn
#490: SpaceAnemone votes Morgrim7
#493: EFHW votes e
#528: Morgrim7 unvotes
#533: SpaceAnemone votes Galzria
#536: EFHW votes SpaceAnemone
#539: WestCoastDidds votes DatSwan
#547: DatSwan votes Galzria
#549: Hydrad votes WestCoastDidds
#550: Morgrim7 votes Hydrad
#553: chairs unvotes
#554: EFHW unvotes
#562: Morgrim7 unvotes
#583: Morgrim7 unvotes
#601: WestCoastDidds unvotes
#603: DatSwan votes silverspawn
#609: DatSwan unvotes
#617: DatSwan unvotes

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #638 on: September 26, 2018, 05:47:44 am »

First a voting history. L-X not included for day 2 because I still haven't implemented it properly.

#51: Awaclus votes silverspawn (L-5)
#52: e votes ashersky (L-5)
#55: chairs votes Morgrim7 (L-5)
#57: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-4)
#58: silverspawn votes e (L-5)
#62: gkrieg13 votes WestCoastDidds (L-5)
#72: Hydrad votes SpaceAnemone (L-5)
#73: Hydrad votes Galzria (L-5)
#74: Hydrad votes DatSwan (L-5)
#85: SpaceAnemone votes Morgrim7 (L-4)
#103: e votes iguanaiguana (L-5)
#111: silverspawn votes e (L-5)
#140: Hydrad votes iguanaiguana (L-4)
#146: ashersky votes iguanaiguana (L-3)
#168: gkrieg13 votes EFHW (L-5)
#177: EFHW unvotes
#178: Awaclus votes EFHW (L-4)
#180: Morgrim7 unvotes
#189: silverspawn votes Awaclus (L-5)
#194: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-5)
#200: Morgrim7 votes silverspawn (L-4)
#212: EFHW unvotes
#220: iguanaiguana votes WestCoastDidds (L-5)
#229: chairs votes WestCoastDidds (L-4)
#230: Morgrim7 votes WestCoastDidds (L-3)
#231: EFHW votes chairs (L-5)
#232: Awaclus votes silverspawn (L-5)
#235: DatSwan votes Galzria (L-5)
#237: Morgrim7 votes silverspawn (L-4)
#242: silverspawn votes ashersky (L-5)
#244: WestCoastDidds votes e (L-5)
#253: e votes silverspawn (L-3)
#284: EFHW votes WestCoastDidds (L-3)
#285: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-2)
#288: chairs votes silverspawn (L-1)
#291: iguanaiguana votes e (L-4)
#293: Morgrim7 unvotes
#301: Hydrad votes WestCoastDidds (L-5)
#304: gkrieg13 votes silverspawn (L-1)
#305: iguanaiguana votes SpaceAnemone (L-5)
#307: Morgrim7 votes chairs (L-5)
#313: silverspawn votes chairs (L-4)
#315: WestCoastDidds votes chairs (L-3)
#316: iguanaiguana votes chairs (L-2)
#346: Galzria votes Hydrad (L-5)
#347: chairs votes Hydrad (L-4)
#349: e votes Hydrad (L-3)
#360: Hydrad votes chairs (L-1)
#374: iguanaiguana votes Awaclus (L-5)
#385: Galzria votes Awaclus (L-4)
#386: silverspawn votes Awaclus (L-3)
#387: chairs votes Awaclus (L-2)
#393: DatSwan unvotes
#397: Morgrim7 votes Awaclus (L-1)
#405: WestCoastDidds hammers Awaclus
#413: e votes Awaclus (L--1)
#420: Hydrad votes Awaclus (L--2)
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#433: gkrieg13 votes silverspawn
#439: silverspawn votes EFHW
#452: silverspawn votes WestCoastDidds
#480: Morgrim7 votes silverspawn
#488: chairs votes Morgrim7
#489: Galzria votes silverspawn
#490: SpaceAnemone votes Morgrim7
#493: EFHW votes e
#528: Morgrim7 unvotes
#533: SpaceAnemone votes Galzria
#536: EFHW votes SpaceAnemone
#539: WestCoastDidds votes DatSwan
#547: DatSwan votes Galzria
#549: Hydrad votes WestCoastDidds
#550: Morgrim7 votes Hydrad
#553: chairs unvotes
#554: EFHW unvotes
#562: Morgrim7 unvotes
#583: Morgrim7 unvotes
#601: WestCoastDidds unvotes
#603: DatSwan votes silverspawn
#609: DatSwan unvotes
#617: DatSwan unvotes

I see a lot of silverspawn being put to L-X and then I am still here talking to silverspawn...
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #639 on: September 26, 2018, 05:58:39 am »

and just iguana:

#52: e votes ashersky
#103: e votes iguanaiguana
#253: e votes silverspawn
#349: e votes Hydrad
#413: e votes Awaclus

(or visual!)

Ok, now the actual things that come to mind

– doesn't like plan
– even votes iguana for it
– jokes about his own day 1 cases always being bad when I challenge him. is this a thing? is e one of those anti day 1 people?
– Still don't understand this
– Some fluff about iguana not being confident
– votes me without any reason. This is about halfway into day 1 and he stays there for about half of the remaining half (as you can see in the image)
– Doesn't like WCD votes. Interesting.

– Also interesting:
So, about iguana.  I kind of laughed to myself a bit at this post

I dunno e, I feel like you put me in your scumbucket already so it doesn't matter what I tell you, but FWIW I am, without hesitation, pursuing my current 'plan' of waiting to see what Ash has got to say before I share my opinions on people's reactions to what I've said.

because nothing could be further from the truth.  I was actually town-reading you at that point but maintaining my "scum" read and vote to see if anyone else would jump on the wagon and vote against your plan.  I still don't like the plan, but was just trying to see what I could learn.  Nothing came of it (no one felt like wagoning iguana), which is interesting in itself, but that is that. 

Iguana's defense later on (those blocks of posts) also felt very townie to me.

– "I would be willing to lynch chairs or silverspawn, prefer silverspawn."
– votes hydrad than awaclus than day 2 begins
– only a few posts, promises reread which hasn't come yet

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #640 on: September 26, 2018, 05:59:35 am »

Conclusion: lazy town. Classically scummy in a way that scum is less often than town, at least when the player ought to know what they're doing.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #641 on: September 26, 2018, 06:00:16 am »

I see a lot of silverspawn being put to L-X and then I am still here talking to silverspawn...

Are you suggesting this is scum indicative?

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #642 on: September 26, 2018, 06:20:48 am »

So e is bad. Next up is EFHW

#57: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-4)
#177: EFHW unvotes
#194: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-5)
#212: EFHW unvotes
#231: EFHW votes chairs (L-5)
#284: EFHW votes WestCoastDidds (L-3)
#285: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-2)

–– Day 2 ––

#493: EFHW votes e (L-5)
#536: EFHW votes SpaceAnemone (L-5)
#554: EFHW unvotes

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Notes from reread:
– Interested in plan
– Says alignment changing is usually bastard. This is noticeable because it means she probably doesn't know that they are in the game if they are
– "This is the kind of plan where mini-claims lead to questions that lead to more claims by more people and next thing you know town has revealed too much. I've seen it happen more than once."
– Not in favor of either plan after hearing them for solid reasons
– tries to start wagon on chairs because lynching noobies is lame. when questioned, says the case on WCD is basically zero information
– changes her mind, votes WCD after all. Then votes me immediately afterwards. This is very towny.
– hints at chairs again

Ok I'm going to stop here, because there's no way I'm going to push this lynch. I dont' know how towny EFHW is as scum, so I'm not saying I'm super confident that she is in fact town, but nonetheless, I'm not going to push someone who hasn't done anything scummy. In particular, I would want to see chairs' alignment before considering EFHW. If he is town, then maybe there is something.

It's noticeable how basically every post she does has a real point to it. Much unlike e. where again whether that's scummy or not depends on her meta (anyone want to chime in?)

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #643 on: September 26, 2018, 06:21:14 am »

chairs is next.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #644 on: September 26, 2018, 06:46:28 am »

#55: chairs votes Morgrim7 (L-5)
#229: chairs votes WestCoastDidds (L-4)
#288: chairs votes silverspawn (L-1)
#347: chairs votes Hydrad (L-4)
#387: chairs votes Awaclus (L-2)
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#488: chairs votes Morgrim7 (L-5)
#553: chairs unvotes

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Notes:
– not interested in plan, then participates jokingly
– says his computer broke hence phone posting. that's a legit excuse for lack of long posts
– very nonchalant attitude about day vigs and such early (is this a town tell?)
– Does support WCD. this is the second vote. And it's L-4. WCD really is the player whose alignment I want to know the most right now.
– Then abandons the wagon to vote for me. What does it mean? Also this is... L-3 not L-1. Oh oh it seems like the L-X aren't working in general. Please ignore all of them in all voting histories I posted. apologies for not realizing this sooner
– Reads list-ish post

Sorry, my weekends are really bad for September. I’m not sure as I have much to say, though - I was intrigued by e’s claim that e had already townread iguana and was faking a scum read for the interactions - that annoys me a little as I tend to trust in upfront Town play mostly, but I can’t be too mad because 1) it does sound like town!e, and 2) I have definitely mislead as Town before, to the benefit of my team. I would vote for silver what with the don’t you trust me line which is super scummy sounding to me, but I’m already doing that! I’m feeling Town on galz, Town on efhw, scum on ash, scum on as, kind of neutral on everyone else. I wish galz had put down his vote but this does fit what I remember of him as Town hence the Town read

– continues to be nonchalant. votes hydrad at a fairly important time
– votes Awaclus for survival
– [Day 2] Does his rereads on morgrim and ash. doesn't amount to much. this might be slightly towny
– Self-conscious about activity even after doing those rereads. What does it mean[2]?

Conclusion: conflicted / unsure / null

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #645 on: September 26, 2018, 06:48:44 am »

Meta questions I want other people to chime in on

– is chairs being unconcerned a town or scum tell?
– How is EFHW different as town and scum?

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #646 on: September 26, 2018, 06:50:46 am »

so chairs would be an option but pretty disappointing for day 2. EFHW is towny and e is too though he needs to do more.

Maybe Hydrad next

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #647 on: September 26, 2018, 07:35:31 am »

First a voting history. L-X not included for day 2 because I still haven't implemented it properly.

#51: Awaclus votes silverspawn (L-5)
#52: e votes ashersky (L-5)
#55: chairs votes Morgrim7 (L-5)
#57: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-4)
#58: silverspawn votes e (L-5)
#62: gkrieg13 votes WestCoastDidds (L-5)
#72: Hydrad votes SpaceAnemone (L-5)
#73: Hydrad votes Galzria (L-5)
#74: Hydrad votes DatSwan (L-5)
#85: SpaceAnemone votes Morgrim7 (L-4)
#103: e votes iguanaiguana (L-5)
#111: silverspawn votes e (L-5)
#140: Hydrad votes iguanaiguana (L-4)
#146: ashersky votes iguanaiguana (L-3)
#168: gkrieg13 votes EFHW (L-5)
#177: EFHW unvotes
#178: Awaclus votes EFHW (L-4)
#180: Morgrim7 unvotes
#189: silverspawn votes Awaclus (L-5)
#194: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-5)
#200: Morgrim7 votes silverspawn (L-4)
#212: EFHW unvotes
#220: iguanaiguana votes WestCoastDidds (L-5)
#229: chairs votes WestCoastDidds (L-4)
#230: Morgrim7 votes WestCoastDidds (L-3)
#231: EFHW votes chairs (L-5)
#232: Awaclus votes silverspawn (L-5)
#235: DatSwan votes Galzria (L-5)
#237: Morgrim7 votes silverspawn (L-4)
#242: silverspawn votes ashersky (L-5)
#244: WestCoastDidds votes e (L-5)
#253: e votes silverspawn (L-3)
#284: EFHW votes WestCoastDidds (L-3)
#285: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-2)
#288: chairs votes silverspawn (L-1)
#291: iguanaiguana votes e (L-4)
#293: Morgrim7 unvotes
#301: Hydrad votes WestCoastDidds (L-5)
#304: gkrieg13 votes silverspawn (L-1)
#305: iguanaiguana votes SpaceAnemone (L-5)
#307: Morgrim7 votes chairs (L-5)
#313: silverspawn votes chairs (L-4)
#315: WestCoastDidds votes chairs (L-3)
#316: iguanaiguana votes chairs (L-2)
#346: Galzria votes Hydrad (L-5)
#347: chairs votes Hydrad (L-4)
#349: e votes Hydrad (L-3)
#360: Hydrad votes chairs (L-1)
#374: iguanaiguana votes Awaclus (L-5)
#385: Galzria votes Awaclus (L-4)
#386: silverspawn votes Awaclus (L-3)
#387: chairs votes Awaclus (L-2)
#393: DatSwan unvotes
#397: Morgrim7 votes Awaclus (L-1)
#405: WestCoastDidds hammers Awaclus
#413: e votes Awaclus (L--1)
#420: Hydrad votes Awaclus (L--2)
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#433: gkrieg13 votes silverspawn
#439: silverspawn votes EFHW
#452: silverspawn votes WestCoastDidds
#480: Morgrim7 votes silverspawn
#488: chairs votes Morgrim7
#489: Galzria votes silverspawn
#490: SpaceAnemone votes Morgrim7
#493: EFHW votes e
#528: Morgrim7 unvotes
#533: SpaceAnemone votes Galzria
#536: EFHW votes SpaceAnemone
#539: WestCoastDidds votes DatSwan
#547: DatSwan votes Galzria
#549: Hydrad votes WestCoastDidds
#550: Morgrim7 votes Hydrad
#553: chairs unvotes
#554: EFHW unvotes
#562: Morgrim7 unvotes
#583: Morgrim7 unvotes
#601: WestCoastDidds unvotes
#603: DatSwan votes silverspawn
#609: DatSwan unvotes

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #648 on: September 26, 2018, 07:51:30 am »

I didn’t hammer Awaclus. Hydrad did...at #420

Oh oh it seems like the L-X aren't working in general. Please ignore all of them in all voting histories I posted. apologies for not realizing this sooner

I initially thought it applied day 1 number of players everywhere and hence day 2 is off, but I think it's the other way around, that it thinks there are always as many players alive as on the most recent day.

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« Reply #649 on: September 26, 2018, 08:38:37 am »


2) WCD - We are playing with fucking magicians. If you are town then it is almost GTD that there is at least a decade of experience under the belt of the skum team. Assume that they have mapped out some shit. For reference, look at the game we just finished. I am NOT saying you must be wrong, I am just saying that you shouldn't dismiss it as an option.

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« Reply #650 on: September 26, 2018, 09:01:26 am »

Yeah, instead of the reread last night I played a miserable 6 games of dominion and lost my dominion championship match.  Call it karma for not rereading.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #651 on: September 26, 2018, 09:04:10 am »

I like silverspawns work here, not voting him today.

Hidden votes/secret votes/vote manipulation is 100% scum power, any townie with such a power should have claimed first post D1.
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« Reply #652 on: September 26, 2018, 09:20:02 am »

I think hydrad or chairs today.

Vote: hydrad

Vote count 1.8

Morgrim7 (1):, SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Hydrad
silverspawn (3): Awaclus, EFHW, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
chairs (4): Morgrim7, silverspawn, WestCoastDidds, iguanaiguana
Hydrad (3): Galzria, chairs, 2.71828.....
Not voting (1): ashersky

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends, Tuesday, 18th of September, at 7am. This is in 17 hours

Last second town lynches tend to move away from scum and onto town. silverspawn, chairs, and hydrad are the wagons before awaclus happened. silverspawn is the least scummy of these three. Hydrad is the best option.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #653 on: September 26, 2018, 10:44:53 am »

I really want to contribute here but this is my week where I get to spend time with the girlfriend :( I’ll try to find a little time tonight. In the meantime vote: hydrad

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #654 on: September 26, 2018, 11:52:57 am »

The vote discrepancy on Hydrad Day 1 foils my theory that a single different person (or random person) is targeted each day for voting weirdness.

Lalight: When Hydrad's vote for WCD at #259 was placed instead on iguana, was that a mistake?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #655 on: September 26, 2018, 11:58:47 am »

Datswan unvote not counting is not part of the pattern.

DatSwan's unvote at #393 was overlooked. You precious mod does make mistakes apparently.
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« Reply #656 on: September 26, 2018, 12:57:37 pm »

The vote discrepancy on Hydrad Day 1 foils my theory that a single different person (or random person) is targeted each day for voting weirdness.

Lalight: When Hydrad's vote for WCD at #259 was placed instead on iguana, was that a mistake?

Looking back at this, Hydrad's voet at #258 was malformed (no space), so it's not valid anyway. And he was already voting for Iguana from #140, so I think LL handled that correctly. That also explains why my script didn't pick anything up there as an error :-)
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #657 on: September 26, 2018, 01:00:50 pm »

As for EFHW's theory, that's exactly what I was thinking, and it fits all the evidence I have. Ash was affected D1 but nobody noticed. Morgrim has been affected D1.

Note that datswan's unvote was a genuine mod mistake, and the alleged discrepancy around Hydrad is Swan missing that the vote wasn't valid, so neither of these things breaks the pattern.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #658 on: September 26, 2018, 01:03:25 pm »

As for EFHW's theory, that's exactly what I was thinking, and it fits all the evidence I have. Ash was affected D1 but nobody noticed. Morgrim has been affected D1.

Note that datswan's unvote was a genuine mod mistake, and the alleged discrepancy around Hydrad is Swan missing that the vote wasn't valid, so neither of these things breaks the pattern.

I meant D2 for Morgrim, obviously!

I'd also like to recorded that I don't take this as strong evidence of Morgrim's towniness even if we decide this is a scum power, because it's clearly a neat tactic scum might try. The way it's been used in D2 hasn't been subtle, almost like whoever's pulling the puppet strings wanted us to notice.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #659 on: September 26, 2018, 01:14:54 pm »

Just reread hydrad, there is not much there. I think his defense D1 that a wagon is forming on him which is bad since he is "obviously town" is weak and scummy. Also the delayed "wait a few hours before I go to bed and vote" is also scummy. Almost as if hydrad is completely comfortable with either chairs or Awaclus getting lynched since he knows both are town.

In this way, a hydrad lynch also helps (in my opinion) determine that chairs is town. I don't think it necessarily works the other way (lynch chairs and hydrad is/isn't scum based on flip).


TL;DR: lynch hydrad.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #660 on: September 26, 2018, 01:19:44 pm »

Also with vote manipulating we need a united town front. 11 alive, 6 to lynch.

1 vote we can't trust, 3 scum (+SK?). Which means we need (almost?) all remaining town to vote. Basically, scum love the inactivity and in no way want to influence the game to be more active. That being said, silverspawn is 100% NOT regular mafia. Likely is town, could potentially be a SK, but doubtful.

Also, focusing on the whole vote count thing doesn't count as "keeping the game active."
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #661 on: September 26, 2018, 01:25:45 pm »

Vote count 2.6

silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (3): silverspawn, Hydrad, Morgrim7
Galzria (1): SpaceAnemone
Hydrad (2): 2.71828....., chairs
Not voting (3): EFHW, WestCoastDidds, DatSwan

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, 27th of September, at 4am

Lalight: When Hydrad's vote for WCD at #259 was placed instead on iguana, was that a mistake?

It was not officially formed vote.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #662 on: September 26, 2018, 01:35:24 pm »

Hmm given that i also agree with EFHWs theory.
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« Reply #663 on: September 26, 2018, 01:36:51 pm »

Hmm given that i also agree with EFHWs theory.

That's great. Who do you want to lynch?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #664 on: September 26, 2018, 01:45:09 pm »

 Also, rereading I don't really get the WCD case. Can someone explain?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #665 on: September 26, 2018, 01:46:55 pm »

Mogrim's vote is on me now....so interesting how this is working. EFHW's theory makes sense (1 person being controlled) and also fits with flavor.

I appreciate the work and theorizing, so given that and the vote swapping, I'm feeling town on Silver (and probably anyone else the swapped vote is being put on), Morgim, and EFHW.

vote: Hydrad
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« Reply #666 on: September 26, 2018, 01:47:18 pm »

Have a conference in 15 minutes. That will run about an hour. It seems that I will unfortunately need to spell out exactly why the lynch should be Silver, so I will do so after that.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #667 on: September 26, 2018, 01:49:37 pm »

Vote: Galz

Just to see what happens. Though I'm not townreading Morgrim just yet.

This is a bad vote that should be changed or justified
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #668 on: September 26, 2018, 01:51:54 pm »

Also, rereading I don't really get the WCD case. Can someone explain?

Seems to me iguana that I wasn't contributing enough or enough of quality (probably true....see Swan's "fucking magicians" argument as to why) and Silver thought that I was the reason that Iguana had died since there was a kill if he followed the wrong person, or maybe that he didn't like that I thought there was an SK in the game and wondered about how we'd go about dealing with that.  Better players than I have attributed this to my newness, especially with the closed format (true) and I guess that it also has something to do with the way I joke or think aloud (also true) but maybe that seems shifty.  I fully admit to being in over my head, but that isn't scummy.
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« Reply #669 on: September 26, 2018, 01:55:21 pm »

Mogrim's vote is on me now....so interesting how this is working. EFHW's theory makes sense (1 person being controlled) and also fits with flavor.

I appreciate the work and theorizing, so given that and the vote swapping, I'm feeling town on Silver (and probably anyone else the swapped vote is being put on), Morgim, and EFHW.

vote: Hydrad

Are you intentionally trying to state that you are town in an underhand not-so-obvious way? Because this post was totally scummy. But to some extent I think it was scummy in a townie sort of way. Like, does scum do this?

Still like hydrad, could lynch WCD if we need numbers.
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« Reply #670 on: September 26, 2018, 01:58:20 pm »

vote: Hydrad

Is this vote just wagoning? Or you actually endorse my case?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #671 on: September 26, 2018, 02:05:22 pm »

I disagree with the town read on Hydrad though, and do believe his vote on WCD for "newbiness" was opportunisticly scummy.

This is from D1, do you still think hydrad is scummy?

I look forward to your case on silverspawn, I don't know that you will convince me (today).

I do think galzria is town
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« Reply #672 on: September 26, 2018, 02:11:06 pm »

We have what, 14 hours left?
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« Reply #673 on: September 26, 2018, 02:49:53 pm »

Gonna start by apologizing to Morgrim here for ruining (as I'm seeing it) his game plan:

I am Detective Zimmerfield.

The case on Silver stems from this. Morgrim claimed a "Detective" based character - but clearly didn't claim what his associated PR actually is. Tracker, Watcher, Cop, etc.

Now, let's look at his posts here D2:

I'm still alive, just exhausted. Don't have the energy to read everything and post something that makes sense tonight - you'll just have to wait until tomorrow. Although, I guess posting something random and nonsensical would be pretty morgrim-esque, huh?

vote: silver there that isn't too crazy

I don’t think there is a point in building a case against silver here because pretty much everyone thinks he’s scum. I was going to, but I’m on my phone and don’t feel like getting out of bed to grab my laptop. Just reread him, the case builds itself.

And I don’t think we can afford to not lynch scum today even if he is an SK who could potentially hit the mafia.

Based on flavor, I would be inclined to think that there is an SK in this game. Iguana seems like a pretty reasonable kill for the mafia, and there were a lot of people scum reading ashes so he’s a pretty good target for an SK (or a vig I guess).

Pretty sure WCD is town.

Also morgrim didn’t you claim det zimm?
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unvote, although I don’t think it will do anything.

I have absolutely no idea why my vote doesn’t count or why I’m voting for myself. I’m not controlling it, that much is clear. I’m not sure

Test vote: hydrad

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I didn’t vote for silverspawn on a QT or anywhere. I have no idea what is going on.

I have a huge presentation that I need to prepare for work by Friday. I’ll still have access but that’s gonna he taking up most of my time, so don’t expect too much content from me.

I’ll build my case against silver though because apparently that actually needed to happen. I think I need to reevaluate a few things now that I know my vote isn’t actually my vote, though.

This is classic "Cop-Has-Results-But-Doesn't-Want-To-Divulge" tactics. He doesn't want scum to know what his PR is. He's going as far out of his way as possible NOT to divulge that information. He doesn't HAVE a great case on Silver and hasn't been able to put one together because he doesn't NEED to - he has results that incriminate Silver instead - be that a tracking result that saw Silver visit Ash/Igu, a Watching result that saw Silver stop by at night, or simply just a Cop result.

This is why I said "It's not my place" to expand on this, and why I didn't want to do so earlier. If Morgrim wanted to expand or say more, he could have. He obviously didn't want to. Note that MY vote for Silver here:

vote: Silver {Reasons}

Came 9 posts after Morgrim's first post voting for Silver. The fact that Morgrim has continued with "I don’t think there is a point in building a case against silver here" and "I’ll build my case against silver though because apparently that actually needed to happen." just made me believe that my read on {reasons} is accurate.

Morgrim, at this point, if I'm wrong - that's fine, say so. If I'm not, while I don't think you should divulge what your investigative power is, I think you should confirm if you have an incriminating result on Silver (sooner rather than later, as deadline is in 13 hours).
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #674 on: September 26, 2018, 03:59:21 pm »

Oh that's the reason. Well in that case I apologize for calling you annoying, given that you actually had a legit reason for being purposefully vague.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #675 on: September 26, 2018, 04:00:46 pm »

So yeah @Morgrim just clarify that you don't have a guilty result, and this apparent misunderstanding is solved.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #676 on: September 26, 2018, 04:05:46 pm »

I have to say their posts really do sound like they're hinting at a result.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #677 on: September 26, 2018, 04:08:00 pm »

ok so here is the slightly more interesting part.
I point blank asked Morgrim if they had results - they said “no”.
At which point either they are lying Town (Galz theory), lying skum (detective fake claim), or truthful town.

Galz - if you are theorizing that he is Town and withholding on purpose... why call him out? You have just dissolved his plan by pointing it out. You could of posted this days ago instead of “reasons”. Instead you sat and did nothing and waited until 12 hours before DL to post this case. I mean i am inclined to believe you are being truthful here - but this is exactly what i was talking about as using “reasons” as a skum tactic.

The best play  here is to hear from morgrim in some way - hoping they have time before dL
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #678 on: September 26, 2018, 05:25:35 pm »

ok so here is the slightly more interesting part.
I point blank asked Morgrim if they had results - they said “no”.
At which point either they are lying Town (Galz theory), lying skum (detective fake claim), or truthful town.

Galz - if you are theorizing that he is Town and withholding on purpose... why call him out? You have just dissolved his plan by pointing it out. You could of posted this days ago instead of “reasons”. Instead you sat and did nothing and waited until 12 hours before DL to post this case. I mean i am inclined to believe you are being truthful here - but this is exactly what i was talking about as using “reasons” as a skum tactic.

The best play  here is to hear from morgrim in some way - hoping they have time before dL

And in the meantime vote hydrad
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #679 on: September 26, 2018, 05:33:53 pm »

I have to say their posts really do sound like they're hinting at a result.

I get the same thing looking back. However, whatever result may have been had is likely not explicit, only suggestive, which I don't think is good enough for D2. Especially since silverspawn has been the primary contributor leading to end of day.

And we are still potentially looking at a no lynch given the activity levels
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #680 on: September 26, 2018, 05:35:03 pm »

I also find gkrieg highly suspicious after reading back through. Nothing solid, nothing to vote for..... yet
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #681 on: September 26, 2018, 05:52:25 pm »

vote: Hydrad

Is this vote just wagoning? Or you actually endorse my case?

And also...

Are you intentionally trying to state that you are town in an underhand not-so-obvious way? Because this post was totally scummy. But to some extent I think it was scummy in a townie sort of way. Like, does scum do this?


Largely wagonning, but he seems a good choice since he isn't on my list of town folk. I did it now because I'm also busier at work than I expected so I didn't want to be not-helpful as far as voting with the DL approaching. I don't think my wagon or the silver wagon are as appealing as the Hydrad one.

I'm not trying to be underhand or not obvious. Ash and then Morgrim's swapped vote has been on three people, I think, not just me, and mostly I was talking in this instance about silver.  Admittedly, my knowledge of what scum does is limited, but I was trying to say why I had a town sense on silver and was not voting for him. Any scumminess was inadvertent. I wasn't really trying to defend myself, rather thinking aloud about what Ash and now Morgrim's controlled vote might reveal.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #682 on: September 26, 2018, 05:57:17 pm »

Vote count 2.7

silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (2): silverspawn, Hydrad
Galzria (2): SpaceAnemone, Morgrim7
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #683 on: September 26, 2018, 06:01:11 pm »

Ok so that pretty much clarified that someone is controlling Morgrims vote as there was no action morgrim took to have it randomized since the last VC
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #684 on: September 26, 2018, 06:09:50 pm »

Vote: Galz

Just to see what happens. Though I'm not townreading Morgrim just yet.

This is a bad vote that should be changed or justified

Here is where I gave my justification:

I've left my "test vote" on Galz because I think he's being lazy about giving a good justification.


I'll reread Hydrad and see whether I agree with sheeping that.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #685 on: September 26, 2018, 06:13:33 pm »

Vote: Galz

Just to see what happens. Though I'm not townreading Morgrim just yet.

This is a bad vote that should be changed or justified

Here is where I gave my justification:

I've left my "test vote" on Galz because I think he's being lazy about giving a good justification.


I'll reread Hydrad and see whether I agree with sheeping that.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #686 on: September 26, 2018, 06:28:52 pm »

I also find gkrieg highly suspicious after reading back through. Nothing solid, nothing to vote for..... yet

What does this even mean?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #687 on: September 26, 2018, 06:32:56 pm »

I also find gkrieg highly suspicious after reading back through. Nothing solid, nothing to vote for..... yet

What does this even mean?

This means that if all goes well I might vote for you tomorrow. But we shouldn't try to lynch you today with like 10 hours to deadline
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #688 on: September 26, 2018, 06:38:46 pm »

Hydrad's D2 can certainly be read in a scummy-ish light. Like, he opens it trying to seem unworried about the possibility of two NKs, like he doesn't want to be the person accused of being mafia for bringing up the SK possibility too soon or something.

He said he didn't think he'd been scum since he came back, but I've verified that he really did sub into M115, where I started out being scum with TWM and Galz, and ended up with Hydrad and LL as partners because the other two subbed out. Hydrad lasted ten posts in the game before being lynched (Galz had left him in a really bad spot), so maybe there wasn't a lot of play from his point of view, but I feel like if that was his only taste of scum since coming back then he should remember it. However, if he's also scum in another place, it gets less memorable because he's trying not to think about being scum. Do other people's brains work that way?

I don't know.. it all feels quite tenuous, but I'll vote to get a lynch through. Note that it's coming on for midnight in my timezone, and the deadline for me is 9am. I'm someone who needs a solid 8 hours of sleep, so I'm aiming to get there by 00.30, so I can be awake before the deadline just in case, but also that means I have to leave here pretty soon now (and I have boring household stuff to do before I can sleep, too...).

Vote: hydrad

I'm still not interested in a silver lynch, and would probably be happier voting Morgrim, Galz or possibly even gkrieg, though the latter deserves a reread before I'm sure on that.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #689 on: September 26, 2018, 06:51:42 pm »

unvote

I'll wake up 2h before the deadline, which will be enough to make an informed decision.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #690 on: September 26, 2018, 07:22:09 pm »

I would vote Hydrad, but still think silver is a better choice.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #691 on: September 26, 2018, 07:36:31 pm »

I would vote Hydrad, but still think silver is a better choice.

I would vote Hydrad, but a no lynch is better than lynching my partner.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #692 on: September 26, 2018, 09:13:39 pm »

@e: Why did you say silver is 100% not mafia?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #693 on: September 26, 2018, 09:16:55 pm »

I see Galzria's logic about Morgrim seeming like he has a result, but we might not hear any result from him in time for this deadline. It could wait for Day 3. I'm around for a couple more hours. Will place a vote before I go.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #694 on: September 26, 2018, 09:25:14 pm »

I would vote Hydrad, but still think silver is a better choice.

I would vote Hydrad, but a no lynch is better than lynching my partner.


Partner? Did I miss something?
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« Reply #695 on: September 26, 2018, 09:25:30 pm »

I disagree with WCD about townreading the people affected by the voting strangeness. There have been too many contradictions to read any particular agenda into the vote changes. My current theory, which I alluded to earlier, is that this is not a player but rather a part of the game, with random determination of targets.
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« Reply #696 on: September 26, 2018, 09:26:37 pm »

I would vote Hydrad, but still think silver is a better choice.

I would vote Hydrad, but a no lynch is better than lynching my partner.


Partner? Did I miss something?
He's translating gkrieg's post into a scum narrative.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #697 on: September 26, 2018, 09:29:34 pm »

Hmm. this isn't good.

I'm looking like I'm going to be lynched.
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« Reply #698 on: September 26, 2018, 09:30:54 pm »

I don't scum read e for this case on me. I don't think I have really been that helpful as town so I can see why he would go to voting for me.

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« Reply #699 on: September 26, 2018, 09:32:58 pm »

Hydrad's D2 can certainly be read in a scummy-ish light. Like, he opens it trying to seem unworried about the possibility of two NKs, like he doesn't want to be the person accused of being mafia for bringing up the SK possibility too soon or something.

He said he didn't think he'd been scum since he came back, but I've verified that he really did sub into M115, where I started out being scum with TWM and Galz, and ended up with Hydrad and LL as partners because the other two subbed out. Hydrad lasted ten posts in the game before being lynched (Galz had left him in a really bad spot), so maybe there wasn't a lot of play from his point of view, but I feel like if that was his only taste of scum since coming back then he should remember it. However, if he's also scum in another place, it gets less memorable because he's trying not to think about being scum. Do other people's brains work that way?

I don't know.. it all feels quite tenuous, but I'll vote to get a lynch through. Note that it's coming on for midnight in my timezone, and the deadline for me is 9am. I'm someone who needs a solid 8 hours of sleep, so I'm aiming to get there by 00.30, so I can be awake before the deadline just in case, but also that means I have to leave here pretty soon now (and I have boring household stuff to do before I can sleep, too...).

Vote: hydrad

I'm still not interested in a silver lynch, and would probably be happier voting Morgrim, Galz or possibly even gkrieg, though the latter deserves a reread before I'm sure on that.

I will say I actually forgot about that game I subbed in on.

I will say though the game that was ongoing when I made that post I was actually scum in but I felt like I couldn't say I'm scum in that game since it was still going on.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #700 on: September 26, 2018, 09:34:05 pm »

I will not be around for the moment before deadline. But I will still be up for a couple hours at least.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #701 on: September 26, 2018, 09:40:46 pm »

I would vote Hydrad, but still think silver is a better choice.

I would vote Hydrad, but a no lynch is better than lynching my partner.


Partner? Did I miss something?

I was speaking for gkrieg here. I guess it missed it's effect for you
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« Reply #702 on: September 26, 2018, 09:41:53 pm »

I don't scum read e for this case on me. I don't think I have really been that helpful as town so I can see why he would go to voting for me.

This self awareness makes me more confident hydrad is scum.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #703 on: September 26, 2018, 09:44:50 pm »

@e: Why did you say silver is 100% not mafia?

Because mafia benefit most from a no lynch or random lynch and silverspawn fought against that the most.
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« Reply #704 on: September 26, 2018, 09:58:50 pm »

@e: Why did you say silver is 100% not mafia?

Because mafia benefit most from a no lynch or random lynch and silverspawn fought against that the most.
He did a very convincing eod show in his last scum game.
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« Reply #705 on: September 26, 2018, 10:05:24 pm »

@e: Why did you say silver is 100% not mafia?

Because mafia benefit most from a no lynch or random lynch and silverspawn fought against that the most.
He did a very convincing eod show in his last scum game.

But was that just following 5 or so days of inactivity or when he was about to be lynched? Activity in this game was volunteered without any real pressure
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« Reply #706 on: September 26, 2018, 10:08:56 pm »

I disagree with WCD about townreading the people affected by the voting strangeness. There have been too many contradictions to read any particular agenda into the vote changes. My current theory, which I alluded to earlier, is that this is not a player but rather a part of the game, with random determination of targets.

The more random that vote gets, the more I agree with you.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #707 on: September 26, 2018, 10:09:10 pm »

man I don't even know who I want to lynch other then me really. I'm not sure I like SS
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #708 on: September 26, 2018, 10:24:40 pm »

Well, I am about to go to bed. Lack of alternative cases kind of worries me about a hydrad lynch, but I am cautiously optimistic
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #709 on: September 26, 2018, 10:25:34 pm »

There is the silverspawn case, but unless a wild morgrim appears I don't think I will be convinced until tomorrow
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« Reply #710 on: September 26, 2018, 10:28:29 pm »

Something to be considered:

unvote

I didn’t vote for silverspawn on a QT or anywhere. I have no idea what is going on.

I have a huge presentation that I need to prepare for work by Friday. I’ll still have access but that’s gonna he taking up most of my time, so don’t expect too much content from me.

I’ll build my case against silver though because apparently that actually needed to happen. I think I need to reevaluate a few things now that I know my vote isn’t actually my vote, though.


That is Morgrim saying he did not ever vote Silver, as well as he would have to re-evaluate a few things.

Not the confidence I would expect from "a cop with a result".

I will be here until DL. Who else will be here?
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« Reply #711 on: September 26, 2018, 10:30:18 pm »

Can get a vote count?
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« Reply #712 on: September 26, 2018, 10:35:56 pm »

@e: Why did you say silver is 100% not mafia?

Because mafia benefit most from a no lynch or random lynch and silverspawn fought against that the most.
He did a very convincing eod show in his last scum game.

But was that just following 5 or so days of inactivity or when he was about to be lynched? Activity in this game was volunteered without any real pressure
He wasn't in danger or inactive.
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« Reply #713 on: September 26, 2018, 10:36:38 pm »

Something to be considered:

unvote

I didn’t vote for silverspawn on a QT or anywhere. I have no idea what is going on.

I have a huge presentation that I need to prepare for work by Friday. I’ll still have access but that’s gonna he taking up most of my time, so don’t expect too much content from me.

I’ll build my case against silver though because apparently that actually needed to happen. I think I need to reevaluate a few things now that I know my vote isn’t actually my vote, though.


That is Morgrim saying he did not ever vote Silver, as well as he would have to re-evaluate a few things.

Not the confidence I would expect from "a cop with a result".

I will be here until DL. Who else will be here?

You’ve mistaken his point - he’s obviously attempted (in thread) to have voted for (and pushed for) Silver today. His comment was directly and solely related to his seeming lack of control over his vote. This applies to both “I didn’t vote for silver spawn in my QT or anywhere”, as well as “I think I may need to re-evaluate a few things now that I know my vote isn’t my vote”.

They are separate points to his wanting to lynch Silver.
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« Reply #714 on: September 26, 2018, 10:37:16 pm »

I'm still alive, just exhausted. Don't have the energy to read everything and post something that makes sense tonight - you'll just have to wait until tomorrow. Although, I guess posting something random and nonsensical would be pretty morgrim-esque, huh?

vote: silver there that isn't too crazy
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« Reply #715 on: September 26, 2018, 10:37:53 pm »

Something to be considered:

unvote

I didn’t vote for silverspawn on a QT or anywhere. I have no idea what is going on.

I have a huge presentation that I need to prepare for work by Friday. I’ll still have access but that’s gonna he taking up most of my time, so don’t expect too much content from me.

I’ll build my case against silver though because apparently that actually needed to happen. I think I need to reevaluate a few things now that I know my vote isn’t actually my vote, though.


That is Morgrim saying he did not ever vote Silver, as well as he would have to re-evaluate a few things.

Not the confidence I would expect from "a cop with a result".

I will be here until DL. Who else will be here?
He definitely did vote silver earlier, just not that particular time.

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« Reply #716 on: September 26, 2018, 10:39:26 pm »

Here in and out for a while.
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« Reply #717 on: September 26, 2018, 10:41:41 pm »

:( not Morgrim.

I have to go. I think the most helpful thing since I won't be here for deadline will be to vote: Hydrad. My other choices would be WCD or chairs.  Postponing silver until we hear from Morgrim.
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« Reply #718 on: September 26, 2018, 10:42:51 pm »

L-1
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #719 on: September 26, 2018, 10:44:40 pm »

I am very curious where morgrim's vote is right now
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« Reply #720 on: September 26, 2018, 11:04:10 pm »

if thats L-1 i'm claiming
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« Reply #721 on: September 26, 2018, 11:04:16 pm »

I'm a mason
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« Reply #722 on: September 26, 2018, 11:04:40 pm »

I didn't want to have to cclaim because now I'm assuming that I have to out my mason friend as well :/
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #723 on: September 26, 2018, 11:05:47 pm »

maybe I should have claimed sooner so we would have more time. but I was hoping I wouldn't get so close to being lynched.
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« Reply #724 on: September 26, 2018, 11:05:58 pm »

That's interesting
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« Reply #725 on: September 26, 2018, 11:06:52 pm »

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« Reply #726 on: September 26, 2018, 11:07:23 pm »

Hydrad, who do you propose we lynch?
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« Reply #727 on: September 26, 2018, 11:07:28 pm »

e as I think you are town. do you think I should claim my partner? I'd rather not but at the same time I don't know if people will not lynch me unless I try to have some proof.
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« Reply #728 on: September 26, 2018, 11:08:25 pm »

Will not vote Hydrad. Hydrad should not claim Mason partner.
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« Reply #729 on: September 26, 2018, 11:09:03 pm »

I think your partner would be the one who should claim

You claiming for them doesn't help your case I think?
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« Reply #730 on: September 26, 2018, 11:09:19 pm »

Hydrad, who do you propose we lynch?

Thats just it. I'm terrible and I actually don't really have many good ideas. For some reason I'm not feeling the SS lynch like others are suggesting but I would do it if its to get a lynch through.

WCD I'm still feeling weird about so my top choice is there I think but no one else shares that opinion so that probably doesn't work.

I see some people were interested in a chairs lynch also but like that would kinda be more of a default lynch for my choice as I have no strong read on him in any direction.
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« Reply #731 on: September 26, 2018, 11:09:55 pm »

Will not vote Hydrad. Hydrad should not claim Mason partner.

Errr probably. Driving and thinking.
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SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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« Reply #732 on: September 26, 2018, 11:11:35 pm »

I think your partner would be the one who should claim

You claiming for them doesn't help your case I think?

I guess me claiming them doesn't fully help thats true. I was just kinda thinking that if I was scum I would be happy if I didn't have to link myself to anyone so maybe people wouldn't trust me. But at some point people would ask for a link anyways so I guess it doesn't matter too much.
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« Reply #733 on: September 26, 2018, 11:11:55 pm »

Will not vote Hydrad. Hydrad should not claim Mason partner.

Errr probably. Driving and thinking.

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« Reply #734 on: September 26, 2018, 11:12:33 pm »

 So. Mason.

I know I tend to be terrible as an IC as far as contribution goes. I know people won't lynch me, and that is usually where my best activity is driven from (fighting a lynch)

So there is definitely believability there
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« Reply #735 on: September 26, 2018, 11:13:37 pm »

So. Mason.

I know I tend to be terrible as an IC as far as contribution goes. I know people won't lynch me, and that is usually where my best activity is driven from (fighting a lynch)

So there is definitely believability there

ya. I kinda had the whole thing of like. ah its fine I can't really get lynched as long as I don't get quick hammered. which is not the correct way to play of course. I couldn't help it.
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« Reply #736 on: September 26, 2018, 11:14:34 pm »

But yeah. We can lynch liars tomorrow (if they are lying)

No lynch is not AWFUL due to the extra NK (especially if there is only one NK tonight)

That being said, we should still try to lynch
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« Reply #737 on: September 26, 2018, 11:15:54 pm »

Mason partner should NOT claim today I think
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« Reply #738 on: September 26, 2018, 11:16:54 pm »

Mason partner should NOT claim today I think

ya I think this will be pro town.
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« Reply #739 on: September 26, 2018, 11:17:18 pm »

The whole silverspawn thing could totally be a lynch I guess...but i think I prefer

Vote: WCD
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« Reply #740 on: September 26, 2018, 11:20:37 pm »

1) been on ALL the wagons from chairs in VC 1.8 to Awaclus on the D1 lynch to hydrad today

2) brought up morgrim's scum-directed vote as a means of identifying town, which I think is super scummy.

3) has had a ton of mentions and pseudo-wagons that never went anywhere
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« Reply #741 on: September 26, 2018, 11:20:47 pm »

Let's do this
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« Reply #742 on: September 26, 2018, 11:22:28 pm »

Hydrad, would claiming your flavor be useful?

I really don't know if it would help/hurt since I don't know the flavor at all
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« Reply #743 on: September 26, 2018, 11:23:13 pm »

It's only the middle of the night, where are people? Haha
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« Reply #744 on: September 26, 2018, 11:32:38 pm »

Home.

My thoughts while driving is that scum!Ash claims Mason. Scum!Robz claims Mason. Scum!O claims Mason. Hell, scum!Galzria claims Mason. But scum!Hydrad doesn't. Like... ever.

And because I just don't see Hydrad making this claim as scum, I don't think he needs to out his partner. Yes, if Hydrad is killed at some point without divulging that information it could potentially set up a 1v1 counter claim down the line - but I believe that there is probably enough thread data to deduce a liar in that situation... and by outting the partner now we lose out on the value of a potential hidden "reveal when it helps best" IC, which can be played suuuuper strongly (see Mcmc a few games back when he had an item that could reveal him as IC).
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #745 on: September 26, 2018, 11:35:09 pm »

Hydrad, would claiming your flavor be useful?

I really don't know if it would help/hurt since I don't know the flavor at all

I don't think I should claim my flavor today. Tommorow I think I could but I don't think I should here.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #746 on: September 26, 2018, 11:36:28 pm »

I think SS is the best chance of finding scum. I don't know whether he's Mafia or SK, but I do believe that he's the best chance we have right now - but I do wish Morgrim had reappeared.

When was Chairs last post? What has he contributed D2? I didn't find WCD scummy D1, haven't been exceptionally swayed here D2 either... but I will move to get a lynch.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #747 on: September 26, 2018, 11:40:12 pm »

I will set an alarm to wake up before the lynch at like 330. The deadline is 4am forum time (eastern US) which is just over 4 hours, right? (Double checking to insure I don't wake up am hour late)
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« Reply #748 on: September 26, 2018, 11:41:06 pm »

I will move my vote for a lynch at that time of necessary, but I really do need some sleep
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« Reply #749 on: September 26, 2018, 11:43:49 pm »

I will set an alarm to wake up before the lynch at like 330. The deadline is 4am forum time (eastern US) which is just over 4 hours, right? (Double checking to insure I don't wake up am hour late)

That is correct
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #750 on: September 27, 2018, 12:16:35 am »

The voting case is compelling on WCD and if silver isn’t happening. vote: WCD
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« Reply #751 on: September 27, 2018, 12:19:29 am »

vote: WCD - better than a no lynch, and I don’t see a ton of activity happening anytime soon
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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« Reply #752 on: September 27, 2018, 12:22:58 am »

I believe L-2 pending the unknown location of Morgrim’s vote.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Total Wins: 30
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« Reply #753 on: September 27, 2018, 12:30:30 am »

3 n and had hours left - probably let morgrim re appear if possible
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« Reply #754 on: September 27, 2018, 12:53:37 am »

I believe L-2 pending the unknown location of Morgrim’s vote.

Also this is a good point. Probably assume that putting anyone at L1 rn should be viewed as a potential hammer.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #755 on: September 27, 2018, 12:59:15 am »

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« Reply #756 on: September 27, 2018, 02:38:55 am »

Here and awake earlier than expected. Not awake enough to be on the computer to check vote counts though.

I'm okay about letting Hydrad off for now. I don't think he should his partner today because if he's not lying then we don't want to make it too easy for scum.

Who else is awake just now?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #757 on: September 27, 2018, 02:45:17 am »

Here
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« Reply #758 on: September 27, 2018, 02:46:13 am »

Here as well
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #759 on: September 27, 2018, 03:32:30 am »

Well shit. Where is the VC?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #760 on: September 27, 2018, 03:36:15 am »

Looking back WCD has 4 votes and is the only real option for a lynch right now.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #761 on: September 27, 2018, 03:37:33 am »

Ok well i don’t like the spot the mason claim put us in but
Vote: WCD
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #762 on: September 27, 2018, 03:39:10 am »

No one thinks silver could be fake mason claiming?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #763 on: September 27, 2018, 03:41:09 am »

I really wanna do silver but i need me and another - anyone good with that?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #764 on: September 27, 2018, 03:41:47 am »

Vote count 2.e

WestCoastDidds (5): Hydrad, e, gkrieg13, Galzria, datswan
Galzria (2): SpaceAnemone, Morgrim7(?)
Hydrad (3): chairs, WestCoastDidds, EFHW
Not voting (1): silverspawn


I think at this point?
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« Reply #765 on: September 27, 2018, 03:42:21 am »

I really wanna do silver but i need me and another - anyone good with that?

Do you mean hydrad?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #766 on: September 27, 2018, 03:42:46 am »

I obv meant Hydrad not silver btw
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« Reply #767 on: September 27, 2018, 03:43:03 am »

I really wanna do silver but i need me and another - anyone good with that?

Do you mean hydrad?

Yeah
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #768 on: September 27, 2018, 03:43:29 am »

And i guess i need two others
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #769 on: September 27, 2018, 03:43:40 am »

Vote count 2.e

WestCoastDidds (5): Hydrad, e, gkrieg13, Galzria, datswan
Galzria (1): Morgrim7(?)
Hydrad (3): chairs, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, space
Not voting (1): silverspawn


I think at this point?

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« Reply #770 on: September 27, 2018, 03:44:34 am »

I believe this is up to date:

WestCoastDidds (5/6): Hydrad, Morgrim7 (??), 2.718, Gkrieg, Galzria, Datswan
Galzria (1): SpaceAnemone
Hydrad (3): chairs, EFHW, WestCoastDidds
Not Voting (1): silverspawn

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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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« Reply #771 on: September 27, 2018, 03:44:56 am »

Wait so there are 4 on Hydrad?
Back to my original question then
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #772 on: September 27, 2018, 03:45:41 am »

I believe this is up to date:

WestCoastDidds (5/6): Hydrad, Morgrim7 (??), 2.718, Gkrieg, Galzria, Datswan
Galzria (1): SpaceAnemone
Hydrad (3): chairs, EFHW, WestCoastDidds
Not Voting (1): silverspawn

Assuming morgrim vote is registered
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« Reply #773 on: September 27, 2018, 03:46:33 am »

Vote count 2.e

WestCoastDidds (5): Hydrad, e, gkrieg13, Galzria, datswan
Galzria (1): Morgrim7(?)
Hydrad (3): chairs, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, space
Not voting (1): silverspawn


I think at this point?

Corrected

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Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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« Reply #774 on: September 27, 2018, 03:47:31 am »

Wait so there are 4 on Hydrad?
Back to my original question then

Convince me hydrad is lying. You have 10 minutes.
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« Reply #775 on: September 27, 2018, 03:47:43 am »

Space - what is your stance? Are you no lynch over WCD?
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« Reply #776 on: September 27, 2018, 03:47:54 am »

No one thinks HYDRAD could be fake mason claiming?

No, I don’t. Not from him. From Robs, or Ash, or Faust - sure. But I don’t see Hydrad.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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« Reply #777 on: September 27, 2018, 03:49:29 am »

Vote: Hydrad

Perfect skum play. He claims mason without claiming partner.
If someone asks he tries to come off super town not willing to put his partner because “what if you lynch me anyways and then i give skum the free IC kill”
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #778 on: September 27, 2018, 03:50:45 am »

Vote: Hydrad

Perfect skum play. He claims mason without claiming partner.
If someone asks he tries to come off super town not willing to put his partner because “what if you lynch me anyways and then i give skum the free IC kill”

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« Reply #779 on: September 27, 2018, 03:50:48 am »

am here.

hydrad claimed mason?

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« Reply #780 on: September 27, 2018, 03:51:11 am »

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« Reply #781 on: September 27, 2018, 03:52:23 am »

Vote: Hydrad

Perfect skum play. He claims mason without claiming partner.
If someone asks he tries to come off super town not willing to put his partner because “what if you lynch me anyways and then i give skum the free IC kill”

He very clearly was willing to claim it though at e's request. It's too bold for him. Scum!Hydrad doesn't bluff that hard.
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« Reply #782 on: September 27, 2018, 03:53:08 am »

and deadline is in 7 minutes?

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« Reply #783 on: September 27, 2018, 03:53:23 am »

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« Reply #784 on: September 27, 2018, 03:53:41 am »

and deadline is in 7 minutes?

Yeah. You should vote WCD
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« Reply #785 on: September 27, 2018, 03:54:06 am »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #786 on: September 27, 2018, 03:54:27 am »

Vote: WCD I guess. Not awake enough for this.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #787 on: September 27, 2018, 03:55:06 am »

Vote count 2.e

WestCoastDidds (6): Hydrad, e, gkrieg13, Galzria, Silverspawn, space
Galzria (1): Morgrim7(?)
Hydrad (3): chairs, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, datswan


I think at this point?

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« Reply #788 on: September 27, 2018, 03:55:47 am »

One more should vote just to guard against vote shenanigans (someone not counting for some reason)
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #789 on: September 27, 2018, 03:58:34 am »

 Unless shenanigans already happened and a hidden vote lynched hydrad
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« Reply #790 on: September 27, 2018, 03:59:14 am »

datswan you should vote wcd

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #791 on: September 27, 2018, 04:00:29 am »

One more should vote just to guard against vote shenanigans (someone not counting for some reason)

Fine
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« Reply #792 on: September 27, 2018, 04:00:58 am »

Unless shenanigans already happened and a hidden vote lynched hydrad

In which case there would be nothing we could do at this point anyway - and I would be cross with LL for not being on earlier to lock and flip so I could've been in bed instead of waiting up until a 1:00am deadline. :P
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« Reply #793 on: September 27, 2018, 04:02:00 am »

One more should vote just to guard against vote shenanigans (someone not counting for some reason)

Fine
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« Reply #794 on: September 27, 2018, 04:05:28 am »

Well fuck - nvm then.
Hydrad should be looked at.
2.7 should is be looked at if Hydrad is believable
Galz actually seems towny this game

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #795 on: September 27, 2018, 04:06:36 am »

Also on the off chance that WCD is some skum bomb mechanic space and Galz should be added to the list
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #796 on: September 27, 2018, 04:14:19 am »

I just hope hydrad isn't hammered, which unfortunately is possible.

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« Reply #797 on: September 27, 2018, 04:37:19 am »

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« Reply #798 on: September 27, 2018, 04:44:55 am »

Vote count 2.final

WestCoastDidds (6): Hydrad, 2.71828....., gkrieg13, Galzria, silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
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« Reply #799 on: September 27, 2018, 04:56:49 am »

"So, can you fix The Machine or what?! It didn't work last time! They say you're good!"

Ken was genuinely afraid. A lot of bald faces who seemed really dangerous were trying to get him to fix some device he has never seen before.

"Well... I can try... Don't do anything to me!"

"You better fix it. MY FAVORITE DOG DIED"

Ken looked at the machine. Under a lot of eyes he opened it with trembling hands. "What... What does it do? I should be better at fixing it if I know the effects"

"You won't know what it does! Fix it!"

"But see, I can't fix something if I –"

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« Reply #800 on: September 29, 2018, 05:03:35 am »

"My sister calls... Something is happening to her!" Todd ran away from the building trying to stop the nearest car.

"Todd, wait! Don't go there, I don't like where this is going..."

"What are you, kidding me?! SOMETHING HAPPENED TO HER!"

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Pararibulitis: every night one of these outcomes will happen with the same probability:

Water instead of air - You may target a player. The player will know you targeted them. If a player is not Universe-aligned, you will die.

Fire around - In the end of the night you will know flavor names of all the people who targeted you that night.

Knife instead of drumstick - In the end of the night you will get a QT with all the people who targeted you that night. The neighborhood will last only for the next day.

Barbwire tightens - Your vote doesn't count the next Day.

You will know which one you'll get in the beginning of the night.

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Probability Manipulator: Every night you may choose a player. If your target has any actions that are happening with some probability, they will be able to choose the outcome of their actions.

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Day 3 starts now!

Vote count 3.0

Not voting (7): Galzria, SpaceAnemone, EFHW, DatSwan, Hydrad, Morgrim7, chairs

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #801 on: September 29, 2018, 07:26:32 am »

What about gkrieg?
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« Reply #802 on: September 29, 2018, 07:42:55 am »

What about gkrieg?

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« Reply #803 on: September 29, 2018, 07:49:47 am »

interesting.  For e's power, you say the player gets to pick their outcome. Does this mean they get to pick which ability they can use?
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« Reply #804 on: September 29, 2018, 07:51:58 am »

interesting.  For e's power, you say the player gets to pick their outcome. Does this mean they get to pick which ability they can use?

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« Reply #805 on: September 29, 2018, 08:04:40 am »

"If your target has any actions that are happening with some probability, they will be able to choose the outcome of their actions" What does the target get to choose? It seems unlikely they could pick the results of their randomly chosen action. Or is that what you mean?
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« Reply #806 on: September 29, 2018, 08:06:47 am »

"If your target has any actions that are happening with some probability, they will be able to choose the outcome of their actions" What does the target get to choose? It seems unlikely they could pick the results of their randomly chosen action. Or is that what you mean?

Let's say you have an example action of "Do something. It's 67% you succeed, 20% you don't succeed and nothing happens, 10% you don't succeed and die, 3% you don't succeed and you die along with your target and 5 other players". If Todd would target this person, this person would choose one of 4 outcomes.
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« Reply #807 on: September 29, 2018, 08:08:39 am »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #808 on: September 29, 2018, 08:34:45 am »

We've had two town deaths now that could have happened by weak hider/visitor mechanics.

Interesting news: silver targeted me N1. It led me to townread him because that clearly wasn't an NK shot he sent my way, and because I think I'm someone whose alignment town!silver would want to be sure of. I had assumed cop/tracker or somesuch, rather than just visitor, especially because Iguana's flip made it look like we had already discovered one visitor-type role, so it didn't occur to me to look for another.

Then there's this, which he posted in early D2, when he was urging us all to go back and look for breadcrumbs from Iguana:

If I had a WV power, even if it was just one of many powers, I would have breadcrumbed in some way that I was going to use it on you before actually doing so. It seems like it'd be pretty poor play not to do that.

Now we know silver's role was fractionally that of a WV, he must have breadcrumbed me in D1. Similarly, unless he had decided already before the end of D2 that he wasn't going to use any WV shot he got in N2, then he ought to have left another breadcrumb D2 as well.

Unfortunately, right now I have to go out for several hours, so my re-read will have to wait till later. It's probably worth duplicating the search across several people, though, as he suggested we should do with Iguana.
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« Reply #809 on: September 29, 2018, 08:38:55 am »

Incidentally, this is also why I thought so little of Galz's argument about Morgrim having suspected tracker evidence about silver: I knew exactly who silver had targeted D1, and it wasn't either of the dead people.

I'm still very suspicious of both Galz, and also quite suspicious of Morgrim for conveniently vanishing and not doing anything to put the breaks on that exercise in totally unfounded speculation.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #810 on: September 29, 2018, 09:48:55 am »

Well silver will always just be read the opposite of what I think about him from now on. Gaming convention today and tomorrow, on less than normal, I have not vote today.
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« Reply #811 on: September 29, 2018, 09:49:13 am »

I have no vote
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #812 on: September 29, 2018, 10:12:13 am »

Multiple weak visitors?

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #813 on: September 29, 2018, 12:05:04 pm »

Sorry for completely vanishing when the world needed me most. The work project went well.

Phone posting right now so don’t expect anything too long or juicy, but here are my thoughts.

1) Galz was partially right and partially wrong - I do have a cop ability. I get two shots, one yielding the correct result and one yielding an incorrect result. I was not told which one would be the correct one though. Night one I targeted iguanaiguana because I was almost 100% sure he was town and thought that the result would tell me which cop I had left, the correct one or the incorrect one. Copping Iguana returned town, so I assumed that I had the incorrect one left. I copped silver last night, and again got a town result, which makes no sense.

2) I’m curious to know how many scum are left. Based off my cop results, something tells me that everything might not be as it seems with the alignments we’ve been getting from LaLight. Unless my copping ability is wrong or one of silver/iguana was a godfather of sorts, one of them had to be scum.

3) The info from above makes me question whether or not I can correctly make reads on who silver thought was scum yesterday based off the stuff silver said. I still think there’s a possibility that he was actually scum.

4) Galz is giving me scum vibes, as is chairs and maybe EFHW.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #814 on: September 29, 2018, 04:52:05 pm »

and we are back.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #815 on: September 29, 2018, 04:54:23 pm »

1) Galz was partially right and partially wrong - I do have a cop ability. I get two shots, one yielding the correct result and one yielding an incorrect result. I was not told which one would be the correct one though. Night one I targeted iguanaiguana because I was almost 100% sure he was town and thought that the result would tell me which cop I had left, the correct one or the incorrect one. Copping Iguana returned town, so I assumed that I had the incorrect one left. I copped silver last night, and again got a town result, which makes no sense.


so scum probably has a way to mess with results?

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #816 on: September 29, 2018, 04:55:03 pm »

I can't really think or many other options for what that means.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #817 on: September 29, 2018, 05:12:10 pm »

Multiple weak visitors?

One was half a weak hider, the other was one quarter weak visitor, apparently. That still adds up to less than a full 100% WV/WH role in the game.

We don't know for sure that any of the deaths was caused by the "weak" part of anyone's role. Though losing two players to 75%-worth of "weak" role mechanics seems very unlucky for us, if we can't find crumbs to make meaning out of the deaths. If we had just one single 100% WV person, at least we'd only have been able to lose at most one player to the role.

From the flips we've had so far, I think we probably have a "usual-ish" selection of RMM roles, but they're probably in pieces split up between the various players.
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« Reply #818 on: September 29, 2018, 05:47:22 pm »

I have no vote

Is that specifically what is going on? It is factoring you out of the line up all together it looks like (as in it is showing only as 7 players).

Not a huge deal but I mean if there "are only 7" then it takes 4 to lynch, but if you are still there just without a vote, it takes 5.
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« Reply #819 on: September 29, 2018, 05:50:08 pm »

NVM - GK not listed but it clearly says "with 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch".
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #820 on: September 29, 2018, 06:02:32 pm »

1) Galz was partially right and partially wrong - I do have a cop ability. I get two shots, one yielding the correct result and one yielding an incorrect result. I was not told which one would be the correct one though. Night one I targeted iguanaiguana because I was almost 100% sure he was town and thought that the result would tell me which cop I had left, the correct one or the incorrect one. Copping Iguana returned town, so I assumed that I had the incorrect one left. I copped silver last night, and again got a town result, which makes no sense.


so scum probably has a way to mess with results?


Re Direction? But idk why skum would re-direct onto one of their own?
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« Reply #821 on: September 29, 2018, 06:56:53 pm »

1) Galz was partially right and partially wrong - I do have a cop ability. I get two shots, one yielding the correct result and one yielding an incorrect result. I was not told which one would be the correct one though. Night one I targeted iguanaiguana because I was almost 100% sure he was town and thought that the result would tell me which cop I had left, the correct one or the incorrect one. Copping Iguana returned town, so I assumed that I had the incorrect one left. I copped silver last night, and again got a town result, which makes no sense.


so scum probably has a way to mess with results?
That, or there’s something about the cop ability I have that I don’t know about. It is an odd coincidence that both times I copped someone, that person died the next morning. I really hope that I have nothing to do with that.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #822 on: September 29, 2018, 07:37:41 pm »

It is an odd coincidence that both times I copped someone, that person died the next morning.

Well, yes, you said it, but I was already thinking that it's certainly convenient that both of your claimed targets are dead. Safest fakeclaim around, and has the advantage that if you're actually performing the NK, a tracker will back up your targets.

(OTOH, silver seems a less-likely NK last night, because there was already a bit of witch hunt on him, especially from gkrieg and Galz).
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #823 on: September 29, 2018, 07:38:32 pm »

I feel like it would be Bastard if you were told you were a cop but somehow you were a vig instead.

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« Reply #824 on: September 29, 2018, 07:40:39 pm »

1) Galz was partially right and partially wrong

Wasn't Galz's entire case against was based around the fact that he thought you were signalling during D2 that you had an incriminating PR result on silver?

To me, that's pretty close to being fully wrong :-P
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« Reply #825 on: September 29, 2018, 07:44:05 pm »

Hi LL! Quick question: If someone's flip says they were Universe-Aligned, is there any possible way within this game that they could secretly not have been Universe-Aligned after all?

My feeling is that that would be bastard if a green-coloured flip could still be a scum, but I'd like to make sure.
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« Reply #826 on: September 29, 2018, 07:46:17 pm »

and we are back.

Could you please do a re-read of silver and look for breadcrumbs?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #827 on: September 29, 2018, 08:31:46 pm »

Hi LL! Quick question: If someone's flip says they were Universe-Aligned, is there any possible way within this game that they could secretly not have been Universe-Aligned after all?

My feeling is that that would be bastard if a green-coloured flip could still be a scum, but I'd like to make sure.

No.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #828 on: September 29, 2018, 09:41:46 pm »

Space - If you are willing to answer this, did you get a message that silver targeted you, or was it something about your role that gave you the information?
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« Reply #829 on: September 29, 2018, 09:42:07 pm »

and we are back.

Could you please do a re-read of silver and look for breadcrumbs?
It looks to me like the breadcrumb was Hydrad!
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« Reply #830 on: September 29, 2018, 09:45:13 pm »

Hydrad, did you get any messages from the mod overnight?
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« Reply #831 on: September 29, 2018, 10:10:38 pm »

and we are back.

Could you please do a re-read of silver and look for breadcrumbs?

you asked a bad person to do this.

I didn't really see anything that looked like breadcrumbs to me. But I wouldn't put it past me to miss them.
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« Reply #832 on: September 29, 2018, 10:11:02 pm »

and we are back.

Could you please do a re-read of silver and look for breadcrumbs?
It looks to me like the breadcrumb was Hydrad!

welp. thats interesting I don't know how you came to that conclusion but i didn't see it.
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« Reply #833 on: September 29, 2018, 10:12:01 pm »

Hydrad, did you get any messages from the mod overnight?

I didn't get any extra messages from the mod or anything from what I can tell. I asked a question and the mod answered if that counts as the mod messaging me. But getting a message I didn't expect no I don't believe I got anything like that.
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« Reply #834 on: September 29, 2018, 10:47:41 pm »

and we are back.

Could you please do a re-read of silver and look for breadcrumbs?
It looks to me like the breadcrumb was Hydrad!

welp. thats interesting I don't know how you came to that conclusion but i didn't see it.
You were the last person he mentioned before the day ended.
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« Reply #835 on: September 29, 2018, 11:14:22 pm »

and we are back.

Could you please do a re-read of silver and look for breadcrumbs?
It looks to me like the breadcrumb was Hydrad!

welp. thats interesting I don't know how you came to that conclusion but i didn't see it.
You were the last person he mentioned before the day ended.

ah interesting. see I wouldn't have even thought about something like that but I guess that makes sense.
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« Reply #836 on: September 29, 2018, 11:29:26 pm »

hydrad's partner needs to speak up now.
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« Reply #837 on: September 29, 2018, 11:30:34 pm »

hydrad's partner needs to speak up now.

To be super clear - it would be anti town given the options at foot for Hydrad to state their partner. The partner needs to speak up.
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« Reply #838 on: September 30, 2018, 12:23:45 am »

hydrad's partner needs to speak up now.

To be super clear - it would be anti town given the options at foot for Hydrad to state their partner. The partner needs to speak up.

While I won't state it now. is it a terrible idea to try to save the person to potentially get a late game IC? although D3 is decently late.
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« Reply #839 on: September 30, 2018, 02:10:49 am »

hydrad's partner needs to speak up now.

To be super clear - it would be anti town given the options at foot for Hydrad to state their partner. The partner needs to speak up.

While I won't state it now. is it a terrible idea to try to save the person to potentially get a late game IC? although D3 is decently late.

8 alive. Assuredly, at least 2 skum. It would appear probable an SK. Even with only a two person skum team, than is 1-2-5 right now. The difference in value between now vs later is essentially equivalent to “today Vs tomorrow”.
Also, again, i am not saying you yourself should say anything aboait it at all.
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« Reply #840 on: September 30, 2018, 07:04:54 am »

hydrad's partner needs to speak up now.
I think you are jumping the gun here. Even if he breadcrumbed Hydrad, we don't know that he actually visited him.
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« Reply #841 on: September 30, 2018, 08:26:51 am »

Space - If you are willing to answer this, did you get a message that silver targeted you, or was it something about your role that gave you the information?

I received a message saying that silver has visited me. It was nothing to do with my own role.
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« Reply #842 on: September 30, 2018, 08:41:57 am »

and we are back.

Could you please do a re-read of silver and look for breadcrumbs?
It looks to me like the breadcrumb was Hydrad!

Did you read my suggestion about first finding the way in which he had breadcrumbed me in D1, and then applying a similar method to D2? I mean, unless he was redirected onto me (and we have no evidence of redirects in the game), then I would expect there to be something there after his D2 opening where he basically says that if he had a partial WV power he would have breadcrumbed it!

As far as silver in D1 goes, he talked about me being hard to read at #366, but then in the very next post he also talked about Hydrad being hard to read too, so I'm not confident that was intended as his N1 crumb.

The last person silver mentioned D1 was Awaclus (our lynch), and the last person he quoted/responded to was EFHW, so that is apparently not the style of breadcrumbing he's using.
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« Reply #843 on: September 30, 2018, 09:21:02 am »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #844 on: September 30, 2018, 11:39:42 am »

Should we do votes to see who’s affected by the vote shenanigans today?

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« Reply #845 on: September 30, 2018, 11:40:06 am »

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« Reply #846 on: September 30, 2018, 12:32:04 pm »

Should we do votes to see who’s affected by the vote shenanigans today?

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #847 on: September 30, 2018, 02:20:09 pm »

I think the breadcrumb that EFHW posted is very plausible, so my test vote can be Vote: Datswan :-)
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #848 on: September 30, 2018, 03:19:12 pm »

I am really bad with the bread crumb stuff - can someone spell out for me what it is about my end of day posts that looks like crumbing?

Also, Test Voting for GK.

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« Reply #849 on: September 30, 2018, 04:01:59 pm »

I am really bad with the bread crumb stuff - can someone spell out for me what it is about my end of day posts that looks like crumbing?

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Nobody's talking about your posts looking like breadcrumbs, we're talking about silver having breadcrumbed that you were his intended weak visitor target.

We know that one of silver's abilities was a loud weak visitor, and he's dead. He also made a big point early in D2 about breadcrumbing, then used the word "visit" in relation to you at the end of D2, which indicates that if he was a weak visitor that night, you would be his target. Now we've got a dead weak visitor, so it's definitely worth considering the possibility that he's dead because he visited you.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #850 on: September 30, 2018, 04:04:41 pm »

Other possibilities for silver's death are NK, SK, or vig, plus maybe the possibility of some weird double-kill RMM mechanic (which I guess would still be a kind of NK).

I think NK is unlikely because certain people were trying to convince the rest of the game that he was widely scumread, and he'd had a wagon, so seems a bit of an unlikely kill target compared to e, who was broadly townie.

Vig is an outside possibility, though it's not generally a good idea for the vig to shoot early, and I think most players here agree with that.

I'm not convinced there's any evidence for an SK in the game, especially now we've seen a third-faction flip in Ken/WCD.
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« Reply #851 on: September 30, 2018, 05:14:40 pm »

I don't see any comparable breadcrumbs for Space, or anyone, Day 1. I agree that is strange given his statements on Day 2. Maybe someone else can find something. I'll reread DatSwan next.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #852 on: September 30, 2018, 05:55:42 pm »

hydrad's partner needs to speak up now.

To be super clear - it would be anti town given the options at foot for Hydrad to state their partner. The partner needs to speak up.

While I won't state it now. is it a terrible idea to try to save the person to potentially get a late game IC? although D3 is decently late.

It's terrible to leave you alive if we still think there's a strong chance you're just a scum who claimed Mason to avoid being the lynch. I know someone already opined that you're not brazen enough to go for that, but I can totally imagine scum!Galz pushing you into it, for example.

If your partner outs themself now, then if one of you gets flipped overnight, that sets up the other to get IC status for D3. If they don't claim today, will we necessarily believe them? Scum may force a 1v1 scenario for D3, and it may all be over by D4, depending on what scum's real kill capacity is... I honestly don't know whether we've just been very unlucky with town "weak" deaths or if it's all going to be over much sooner than we'd like.

Annoyingly, it probably gives scum a disincentive to flip claimed Masons, but I'd hope we have some investigative roles left to cover that base, probabilistic or otherwise.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #853 on: September 30, 2018, 06:08:30 pm »

I am really bad with the bread crumb stuff - can someone spell out for me what it is about my end of day posts that looks like crumbing?

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Nobody's talking about your posts looking like breadcrumbs, we're talking about silver having breadcrumbed that you were his intended weak visitor target.

We know that one of silver's abilities was a loud weak visitor, and he's dead. He also made a big point early in D2 about breadcrumbing, then used the word "visit" in relation to you at the end of D2, which indicates that if he was a weak visitor that night, you would be his target. Now we've got a dead weak visitor, so it's definitely worth considering the possibility that he's dead because he visited you.

But he said I was late visiting to him? Or is there a different post? The one at the end of the day is referring to me visiting him. I mean I get what you are saying and you can consider away, but I think it is a pretty far reach. Also as I am not skum he did not visit me.
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« Reply #854 on: September 30, 2018, 07:21:15 pm »

But he said I was late visiting to him? Or is there a different post? The one at the end of the day is referring to me visiting him. I mean I get what you are saying and you can consider away, but I think it is a pretty far reach. Also as I am not skum he did not visit me.

He explicitly used the term "visit", which is what he had suggested at #428 was the kind of thing he would have expected Iguana to have done to breadcrumb whom he'd intended to visit. I think it's quite a compelling statement of intent, especially given that it's quite a weird phrasing for what he was trying to say in English anyway, and while not a native speaker, he's better at writing than plenty of native speakers I've met, so the more I think about it, the more I believe it has to have been a deliberate crumb.

I wonder if it's telling that you're arguing that he cannot have visited you because you're not scum, rather than suggesting that he may just have died for some reason other than visiting you.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #855 on: September 30, 2018, 08:20:16 pm »

But he said I was late visiting to him? Or is there a different post? The one at the end of the day is referring to me visiting him. I mean I get what you are saying and you can consider away, but I think it is a pretty far reach. Also as I am not skum he did not visit me.

He explicitly used the term "visit", which is what he had suggested at #428 was the kind of thing he would have expected Iguana to have done to breadcrumb whom he'd intended to visit. I think it's quite a compelling statement of intent, especially given that it's quite a weird phrasing for what he was trying to say in English anyway, and while not a native speaker, he's better at writing than plenty of native speakers I've met, so the more I think about it, the more I believe it has to have been a deliberate crumb.

I wonder if it's telling that you're arguing that he cannot have visited you because you're not scum, rather than suggesting that he may just have died for some reason other than visiting you.

Given as we are talking about him dying at night due to specifically "visiting" me - my point is that he did not die from visiting me, so yes.. obviously I believe he must of died a different way.

Given (if I understand the role correctly) he only had a 25% chance to get the WV at all... if anything the "visit us" would be a hint at him wanting me to target him in some way hoping he got the QT Role or would learn my flavor.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #856 on: September 30, 2018, 08:35:51 pm »

Going with multiple avenues of thought (not dismissing the breadcrumb thing) I just only have like an hour and I have a few things I want to get out there for input:

1) How many skum? Not like crazy important I guess, but I have only played I think 3 RMMs so I am a little unclear on what "standard" is in this situation. We had a Survivor - does that normally factor in to how many there are?

2) Presence of a SK - We started like the whole Day 1 under this assumption that SK. To Space's point previously made.. is it possible there is no SK?

3) If we get another horrible sequence of flips (all three town flips) and there is no SK, but there are 3 Skum, we wake up to 2 Town vs 3 Skum (which is game over). If there is an SK then we would wake up to 2-2-1,

I find the above two questions important because of the idea of a mass claim. With an SK and the confirmed Survivor, I would assume that there are only 2 skum (if that is stupid, someone tell me). In this situation we wake up 2-2-1 if we mislynch and there are 2 Town deaths at night. If there is no SK, I assume there are 3 Skum (again, I could just be wrong on the assumption). If that is the case and we mislynch and there are 2 Town deaths at night... we lose.


We have a mason claim, we have the weird Morgrim backwards cop result, we have some other random claims of being visited and ect.... getting it all out there might be something to consider.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #857 on: September 30, 2018, 09:00:34 pm »

From the re reads I have done on my suspicious player list, this is where I am at:

Morgrim:

Day 1:
1) They claim Det Zimm. That is weird. Why would you outright claim a cop designated PR D1 for no reason? I couldn't, and now still cannot get over that. I did in the middle because I thought Galz made a good case about Morgrim pushing silver without a lot of real given reason.
 
2) I am giving skum points to anyone that just jumped on the Awaclus wagon, which Morgrim was right in the middle of. Awaclus claim seemed ridiculously towny and clearly hinted at having a time traveling component to it (which I would assume skum would want to eliminate asap).

Day 2:
1) They wake up - see below to why I don't think that makes sense.
2) They disappear for the Galz push on silver thing and for the end of day to verify anything.

Day 3:
1) They claim results on 2 dead players.
2) They give themselves 2 shots, which they have used up. Thus creating no reason for "Skum to kill them at night".
3) They throw in the silver reverse flip to add in a little craziness and, I am assuming, make it seem more believable.


Then there is just the logic of how the Det Zimm claim played out. In the below three steps they have created a role for themselves that checks out, that has no reason to be NK'd (because all shots are used), and also creates chaos of information (with the "results on SS").

Step 1 - Claimed Det Zimm.
Gave no insight as to what he could actually do, but as it has been universally kind of accepted, it was def expected to hint at having a cop-like ability set. Also, since Awaclus was the only other claim and they were the lynch... I find it strange that the deaths for the night were Iguana, who they could easily of pushed a skum meta for based on their opening of D1... so IDK why they would want him dead... and then Ashes, who essentially pushed a similar concept to Iguana so they could of also pushed a case on them. Why would Town!Morgrim wake up? Cop results in a game like this can be extremely damning to skum... they just what... rolled the dice he wasn't gonna pick on of them?

Step 2 - Disappear Day 2 after Galz makes their case about silver.
As we know now, silver was Town, as well as the final lynch of WCD. Why speak up if it is Skum!Morgrim? They can just let it play out. The only other wagon that got close was Hydrad, who I also think is skummy at this point and that obviously got de-railed onto WCD.

Step 3 - Claim results and render themselves a non-target.
They claimed Iguana Night 1 to verify the bullets. Then claimed the backwards result on silver Night 2. THIS IS A PERFECT PLAY. They have verified they are a cop, they have given results that do not tie them to anyone at all. Annnnndddd they even throw in a little chaos about the reverse flip on silver to make it seem more believable.


I am staying on GK for the test vote right now, but Morgrim is my top pick at this point.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #858 on: September 30, 2018, 09:02:16 pm »

i'd be fine with a mass claim.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #859 on: September 30, 2018, 09:25:37 pm »

Hydrad:

Day 1:

1) Post 158 - states they are OK with Ashes flavor claim plan, but not so much with the list of flavor connections plan. I can't really decide, but I think there are town points to be given here under the assumption they are actually a mason. Flavor claim, if they have a town partner as mason, would be beneficial to finding skum because they can communicate and create a foundation to prove they are actually masons down the road. It could also be skum just agreeing to flavor claim because it would help them isolate valuable targets.

2)  Post 184 - does a "mini claim" in which all they state is that they do not need anyone for their role to activate. This could just be mason saying it out loud to remove themselves from any wasted Town PR targets and/or to remove themselves from Skum NK targets. However, it also could be skum trying to avoid being targeted.

3) Post 218 - points out that time travel would be a town power and the Awaclus claim makes Awaclus towny for it. Again, town points I think. I want to say it could be conf!bias, but the only player on the Awaclus wagon at that point was Town!silver so I would think that skum would want to push it there.

4) Post 259 - "cool with lynching the new guy" post and gets on the Town!WCD wagon. Skum points for that.

5) Post 419 - Intent to hammer Awaclus. No points - even with the Town read I shared with them regarding Awaclus, I still would of hammered the only viable wagon to avoid no lynch.

6) Post 421 - Hammers Awaclus. No points - even with the Town read I shared with them regarding Awaclus, I still would of hammered the only viable wagon to avoid no lynch.


Day 2:

1) Post 587 - Idea that Ashes redacted ability could be something to do with controlling the vote. Kind of far fetched of a plan for skum to make. Seems paranoid-ish to me. Town points.

2) Culmination of posts - Town read Awaclus Day 1, Town read E! "even though they are pushing a case", Town read SS and doesn't know who to lynch. Thats 3 for 3 which is strange for me to accept. Null points.

3) Post 722 - claims mason. didn't want to because they would have to out their partner. which never happened. Null points.

4) Post 728 - Asks Town!E if they think they should claim their mason partner. This is weird. They could be skum here knowing that they can kill E! to get a town flip for cred. But if E! says yes... then what do they do? Claim a skum partner? Seems risky. Starting to lean actual town at this point.


Day 3:

1) Post 817 - Skum has to have a way to mess with results, can't see another explanation for why Morgrim got a weird result. Never considered Morgrim could be skum. That could be combo conf!bias as Town!Morgrim plus knowledge of skum having that power. It could also be Morgrim!Hydrad. Or just quick check in silliness, but skumish points here.



Whatever, all in all I guess this is why we do re reads because I was totally on Skum!Hydrad before... and while I am not saying I am not considering them, I def like them a lot more for town after the read then before.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #860 on: September 30, 2018, 09:48:24 pm »

100% there is an SK.

Which means we should probably mass claim today.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #861 on: September 30, 2018, 09:51:12 pm »

Actually I take that back. Partner should claim, then town non masons know 3 town and there are probably only 4 town left.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #862 on: September 30, 2018, 10:04:35 pm »

Agree with DatSwan that the Awaclus lynch was scummy (need to look at the wagon itself tomorrow) and that Morgrim surviving N1 and N2 is remarkable.
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« Reply #863 on: September 30, 2018, 10:07:38 pm »

Actually I take that back. Partner should claim, then town non masons know 3 town and there are probably only 4 town left.
If we're going to do claiming, that seems like a good start, rather than starting with full mass claim. Hydrad seemed reluctant, though. I'm not sure what his reasoning was.
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« Reply #864 on: September 30, 2018, 10:10:50 pm »

Actually I take that back. Partner should claim, then town non masons know 3 town and there are probably only 4 town left.
If we're going to do claiming, that seems like a good start, rather than starting with full mass claim. Hydrad seemed reluctant, though. I'm not sure what his reasoning was.

? Hrsyad said he would be fine with it
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #865 on: September 30, 2018, 10:39:59 pm »

I was thinking of this. I guess he did give a reason.

hydrad's partner needs to speak up now.

To be super clear - it would be anti town given the options at foot for Hydrad to state their partner. The partner needs to speak up.

While I won't state it now. is it a terrible idea to try to save the person to potentially get a late game IC? although D3 is decently late.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #866 on: September 30, 2018, 10:49:13 pm »

I was thinking of this. I guess he did give a reason.

hydrad's partner needs to speak up now.

To be super clear - it would be anti town given the options at foot for Hydrad to state their partner. The partner needs to speak up.

While I won't state it now. is it a terrible idea to try to save the person to potentially get a late game IC? although D3 is decently late.

i've thought about it more since then and I don't really mind. we could be at lylo already for all i know.
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« Reply #867 on: October 01, 2018, 12:29:04 am »

I would be okay with a mass claim.

I’m Hydrad’s partner.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #868 on: October 01, 2018, 12:43:13 am »

I would be okay with a mass claim.

I’m Hydrad’s partner.

confirming.
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« Reply #869 on: October 01, 2018, 01:43:14 am »

Hydrad, would claiming your flavor be useful?

I really don't know if it would help/hurt since I don't know the flavor at all

I don't think I should claim my flavor today. Tommorow I think I could but I don't think I should here.

I would be okay with a mass claim.

I’m Hydrad’s partner.

I believe both of them primarily because of this. Morgrim claimed Detective Zimmerfield D1. His partner is Detective Estevez. Had Hydrad claimed such yesterday, it would’ve outted Morgrim yesterday, something he was trying not to do - especially with Morgrim being MIA and not being able to chime in.

For this to be faked, it would’ve needed to be planned from D1 with Morgrim’s claim.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #870 on: October 01, 2018, 04:50:34 am »

Vote count 3.1

EFHW (1): chairs
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« Reply #871 on: October 01, 2018, 07:03:17 am »

Ok that’s that for me at least.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #872 on: October 01, 2018, 01:33:16 pm »

Test vote: galz
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #873 on: October 01, 2018, 01:41:35 pm »

Well, if we assume 3 scum and 1 SK (seems reasonable for this size game.  Other possibility is 2 scum), then me and the other townie just need to find each other.  That assumes we believe the masons, which due to galz's point seems reasonable.

I am voteless today, which means we need the SK to vote along with town to lynch scum unless any of them bus.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #874 on: October 01, 2018, 06:28:59 pm »

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Hm well Again not knowing the show has caused me to waste time - i am not 100% sold still but i am willing to forgoe it for the day and focus on looking else where.

Unfortunately my top two cases were the alleged masons sooo i need to look into some other stuff.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #875 on: October 01, 2018, 06:33:59 pm »

Hydrad, would claiming your flavor be useful?

I really don't know if it would help/hurt since I don't know the flavor at all

I don't think I should claim my flavor today. Tommorow I think I could but I don't think I should here.

I would be okay with a mass claim.

I’m Hydrad’s partner.

I believe both of them primarily because of this. Morgrim claimed Detective Zimmerfield D1. His partner is Detective Estevez. Had Hydrad claimed such yesterday, it would’ve outted Morgrim yesterday, something he was trying not to do - especially with Morgrim being MIA and not being able to chime in.

For this to be faked, it would’ve needed to be planned from D1 with Morgrim’s claim.

and ya I guess i should confirm.

I am Estevez. I had a feeling someone would figure it out even if i died last night so thats partially why i didn't think claiming was a huge deal yesterday either.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #876 on: October 01, 2018, 07:18:37 pm »

@gkreig, are you really certain we have an SK in a game with a known third-alignment player, and two flipped players with town-death as parts of their roles?

I'm coming at that question from three angles:

1. Is there something that makes you certain there's an SK?

2. Don't you think it's kind of unbalanced to make 4 scum in 13, and then give town so many additional ways to die?

3. Are you saying that you think the existing weak visitor and weak hider deaths are not related to the roles, but to an NK/SK instead?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #877 on: October 01, 2018, 07:19:27 pm »

Does anyone other than Swan think that silver wasn't clearly breadcrumbing Swan at the end of D2?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #878 on: October 01, 2018, 07:25:51 pm »

@gkreig, are you really certain we have an SK in a game with a known third-alignment player, and two flipped players with town-death as parts of their roles?

I'm coming at that question from three angles:

1. Is there something that makes you certain there's an SK?

2. Don't you think it's kind of unbalanced to make 4 scum in 13, and then give town so many additional ways to die?

3. Are you saying that you think the existing weak visitor and weak hider deaths are not related to the roles, but to an NK/SK instead?

I hadn't realized that silver had something that he could die with.  I agree with your points above actually.  I need to go back and reread.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #879 on: October 01, 2018, 07:54:03 pm »

Ah, we were 14 to begin with, not 13. But three mafia, a survivor and at least two townies with death-causing roles seems quite enough to erode our numbers even without an SK.

I'm trying to think of a plausible set of townies from S1 that wouldn't include having Zimmerfield and Estevez, and it seems unlikely, so reluctantly I think I'm going to give Morgrim and Hydrad a pass for the day.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #880 on: October 01, 2018, 07:56:07 pm »

Does anyone other than Swan think that silver wasn't clearly breadcrumbing Swan at the end of D2?

I think he was breadcrumbing it.

But from the wording of his role it sounds like there was only like a 25% chance that he would get that role that he breadcrumbed. Because until the night started he wouldn't know what power he had right?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #881 on: October 01, 2018, 07:57:04 pm »

gkreig. I don't know if you think you should say or not. Do you know why you can't vote or did you at least choose to have that happen? or was it unexpected.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #882 on: October 01, 2018, 09:34:57 pm »

gkreig. I don't know if you think you should say or not. Do you know why you can't vote or did you at least choose to have that happen? or was it unexpected.

I doubt it was entirely unexpected - he said D2 that he had a voting mechanic restriction as part of his role.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #883 on: October 01, 2018, 09:35:53 pm »

Test vote: Gkrieg
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #884 on: October 01, 2018, 09:49:20 pm »

@gkreig, are you really certain we have an SK in a game with a known third-alignment player, and two flipped players with town-death as parts of their roles?

I'm coming at that question from three angles:

1. Is there something that makes you certain there's an SK?

2. Don't you think it's kind of unbalanced to make 4 scum in 13, and then give town so many additional ways to die?

3. Are you saying that you think the existing weak visitor and weak hider deaths are not related to the roles, but to an NK/SK instead?

I hadn't realized that silver had something that he could die with.  I agree with your points above actually.  I need to go back and reread.
How did you not realize that with all this discussion?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #885 on: October 01, 2018, 09:51:24 pm »

Does anyone other than Swan think that silver wasn't clearly breadcrumbing Swan at the end of D2?

I think he was breadcrumbing it.

But from the wording of his role it sounds like there was only like a 25% chance that he would get that role that he breadcrumbed. Because until the night started he wouldn't know what power he had right?
This 25% weak visitor is really quite weak.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #886 on: October 01, 2018, 09:52:43 pm »

I reread DatSwan. Will type it up tomorrow. Nothing earthshattering in it.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #887 on: October 01, 2018, 10:20:24 pm »

gkreig. I don't know if you think you should say or not. Do you know why you can't vote or did you at least choose to have that happen? or was it unexpected.

100% knew it was a possibility. Like most roles, it had some percentage of happening.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #888 on: October 01, 2018, 10:20:59 pm »

Masons have high likelihood of being town because of Morgrims strange voting D2
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #889 on: October 01, 2018, 10:23:45 pm »

Vote count 3.1

EFHW (1): chairs
chairs (1): EFHW
DatSwan (1): SpaceAnemone
gkrieg13 (1): DatSwan
Not voting (3): Galzria, Hydrad, Morgrim7

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Interesting. Noted that Gkrieg is still a viable voting candidate. I missed this VC before my test vote.
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« Reply #890 on: October 01, 2018, 10:28:51 pm »

I, for one, firmly believe the Mason claim.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #891 on: October 01, 2018, 10:37:41 pm »

Vote count 3.1

EFHW (1): chairs
chairs (1): EFHW
DatSwan (1): SpaceAnemone
gkrieg13 (1): DatSwan
Not voting (3): Galzria, Hydrad, Morgrim7

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Interesting. Noted that Gkrieg is still a viable voting candidate. I missed this VC before my test vote.

Thats why I picked him :)
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« Reply #892 on: October 01, 2018, 10:38:28 pm »

I hesitantly think we should strongly consider mass claim at this point. We could very easily be at LyLo, and right now I think getting as much information out as possible is in our best interest. I’m also going to run some VCA tonight/tomorrow to see if anyone jumps out at me.
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #893 on: October 01, 2018, 10:39:45 pm »

Vote count 3.1

EFHW (1): chairs
chairs (1): EFHW
DatSwan (1): SpaceAnemone
gkrieg13 (1): DatSwan
Not voting (3): Galzria, Hydrad, Morgrim7

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Saturday, 6th of October, at 5am

Interesting. Noted that Gkrieg is still a viable voting candidate. I missed this VC before my test vote.

Thats why I picked him :)

Me too! I just missed the VC. :P

I’m still gonna leave my vote there to try and make sure that I’m in control of it.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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« Reply #894 on: October 01, 2018, 10:40:38 pm »

Damn dirty iPhone makes phone posting WAY more inconvenient than Android. Just saying.
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #895 on: October 01, 2018, 10:40:45 pm »

Does anyone other than Swan think that silver wasn't clearly breadcrumbing Swan at the end of D2?

I think he was breadcrumbing it.

But from the wording of his role it sounds like there was only like a 25% chance that he would get that role that he breadcrumbed. Because until the night started he wouldn't know what power he had right?
This 25% weak visitor is really quite weak.

Weak as in you think my pointing it out is weak or weak as in something else. Because actually, I am gonna point out my own logic flaw here... if you knew that you only had one visiting role and it was WV then it wouldn't matter - SS would of breadcrumbed anyways I suppose given how they flipped.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #896 on: October 01, 2018, 11:00:42 pm »

@ Masons - You were both on Awaclus lynch Day 1. You must of talked about it. What was the deciding factor to vote there for you?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #897 on: October 01, 2018, 11:12:33 pm »

@ Masons - You were both on Awaclus lynch Day 1. You must of talked about it. What was the deciding factor to vote there for you?

I'll be honest there isn't a ton of talking that we are doing. I think I need to be talking in it more.

Personally my vote for it was there was a couple hours till deadline and I wasn't going to be on at deadline and the only other potential was maybe silver but it felt far away? I guess I could have left it on silver instead when I went to sleep but they are both town now so I guess either way my choice was bad there.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #898 on: October 02, 2018, 02:32:18 am »

I was blocked last night most likely.

why?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #899 on: October 02, 2018, 06:05:30 am »

@ Masons - You were both on Awaclus lynch Day 1. You must of talked about it. What was the deciding factor to vote there for you?

We actually didn’t talk about it much. For my part, I had a short list of people I was okay with lynching and Awaclus happened to be on that list.

I think we need to revisit the D1 wagons though, because they tend to leave scum and hop on town at the last minute. Which means we should look at people like chairs.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #900 on: October 02, 2018, 09:03:42 am »

Does anyone other than Swan think that silver wasn't clearly breadcrumbing Swan at the end of D2?

I think he was breadcrumbing it.

But from the wording of his role it sounds like there was only like a 25% chance that he would get that role that he breadcrumbed. Because until the night started he wouldn't know what power he had right?

There was only a 25% chance at the start of the night that he got to use his power that way, but that does not mean that in retrospect, knowing he died, you have to believe that it's only a 25% chance that he died from being a weak visitor. If you did, you would have to be 75% sure that he (or Iguana) died as a result of some other as-yet-unrevealed death mechanic like a second scum NK, SK or vig.

OTOH, what if e targeted silver and let him pick what part of his role to use? Then wouldn't silver, knowing he'd left a solid breadcrumb, along with quite detailed instructions of what to look for when someone who's a WV dies, think it's a perfect opportunity to use WV effectively? I just did a quick read back, and silver wasn't e's biggest townread, though of course WCD's flip and the overall end-of-day play may have influenced him without him having a chance to post newer reads.

Anyway, what I'm saying is that we know silver died while breadcrumbing Swan. So either:
1. Something else caused a second death.
2. Silver died because Swan is scum.
3. Something messed with silver's ability to target, in a way that moved him from town!Swan to scum. (Would a scum redirect a townie's power onto themself?)
4. Silver changed his mind about who to target, even after that solid breadcrumb.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #901 on: October 02, 2018, 09:04:37 am »

Question for everyone: if you don't think silver targeted Swan in the night and died as a result, which other option (from the ones I just posted) are you suggesting is the true explanation, and what other decisions are you making based on that belief?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #902 on: October 02, 2018, 09:06:35 am »

Does anyone other than Swan think that silver wasn't clearly breadcrumbing Swan at the end of D2?

I think he was breadcrumbing it.

But from the wording of his role it sounds like there was only like a 25% chance that he would get that role that he breadcrumbed. Because until the night started he wouldn't know what power he had right?
This 25% weak visitor is really quite weak.

Weak as in you think my pointing it out is weak or weak as in something else. Because actually, I am gonna point out my own logic flaw here... if you knew that you only had one visiting role and it was WV then it wouldn't matter - SS would of breadcrumbed anyways I suppose given how they flipped.
Weak as in it's very hard to make use of as a power.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #903 on: October 02, 2018, 10:07:41 am »

Does anyone other than Swan think that silver wasn't clearly breadcrumbing Swan at the end of D2?

I think he was breadcrumbing it.

But from the wording of his role it sounds like there was only like a 25% chance that he would get that role that he breadcrumbed. Because until the night started he wouldn't know what power he had right?

There was only a 25% chance at the start of the night that he got to use his power that way, but that does not mean that in retrospect, knowing he died, you have to believe that it's only a 25% chance that he died from being a weak visitor. If you did, you would have to be 75% sure that he (or Iguana) died as a result of some other as-yet-unrevealed death mechanic like a second scum NK, SK or vig.

OTOH, what if e targeted silver and let him pick what part of his role to use? Then wouldn't silver, knowing he'd left a solid breadcrumb, along with quite detailed instructions of what to look for when someone who's a WV dies, think it's a perfect opportunity to use WV effectively? I just did a quick read back, and silver wasn't e's biggest townread, though of course WCD's flip and the overall end-of-day play may have influenced him without him having a chance to post newer reads.

Anyway, what I'm saying is that we know silver died while breadcrumbing Swan. So either:
1. Something else caused a second death.
2. Silver died because Swan is scum.
3. Something messed with silver's ability to target, in a way that moved him from town!Swan to scum. (Would a scum redirect a townie's power onto themself?)
4. Silver changed his mind about who to target, even after that solid breadcrumb.
I think 3 and 4 are really unlikely. Of 1 and 2, 1 is more likely. But 2 is greater than 25% because e! might have targeted silver and/or both 1 and 2 could be true.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #904 on: October 02, 2018, 10:09:21 am »

My last point doesn't really increase the likelihood of 2. It just makes the chances of either independent of each other.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #905 on: October 02, 2018, 12:46:52 pm »

I was blocked last night most likely.

why?

I don’t plan on claiming right now, but something should have happened that didn’t so I was blocked.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #906 on: October 02, 2018, 12:49:20 pm »

Summary of reread of DatSwan:

The first part of Day 1, he deals with the various plans, asking questions and evaluating them, mostly negatively. He asks if scum have fakeclaims. He says if we are going to do any plan, it should be today before scum get a chance to coordinate. He also defends WCD and votes Galz for lurking. Later he challenges WCD for saying his vote on Galzria had solid reasoning, and ends up putting her on his short list for scum: WCD, silver, e!. He unvotes Galz and just misses getting back for deadline.

Day 2 he starts out pointing fingers at those people who are SK hunting since that favors scum, but doesn't mention specific people. He asks Morgrim for results and misunderstands silver comment about having 2 votes. 508 he says silver is towny. 604 He roundly chastises Galzria for "[reasons]", but he also townreads him. He votes silver. 605 WCD is towny. 606-620 VCA. The discrepancies he found were subsequently resolved. 623 concludes the Least Common Denominator must be Hydrad and silver, so proposes we lynch one of them. Later he says silver could be the SK. Still later he says "". 678 He again calls out Galzria for the "[reasons]" thing.

Nearing deadline he disagrees that Morgrim sounds like a cop with a result. He warns town that L-1 should be considered a possible hammer. He is unhappy with the mason claim, but votes WCD. He tries drumming up support for a silver lynch, asks Space for their take on WCD, then votes Hydrad for perfect scum play. Switches back to WCD after the hammer.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #907 on: October 02, 2018, 03:58:01 pm »

The missing quotation from my previous post is this: #639 "I see a lot of silverspawn being put to L-X and then I am still here talking to silverspawn..."

During Twilight of Day 2, DatSwan says we need to look at Hydrad and e! He again says Galz is towny. But then he says #796 "Also on the off chance that WCD is some skum bomb mechanic space and Galz should be added to the list," which I really don't get.

Day 3: He suggests redirection to explain Morgrim's puzzling results. When I suggest silver was breadcrumbing Hydrad, he immediately wants Hydrad's partner to claim, but not Hydrad himself. I read him as being a bit flustered when the breadcrumb turned out to be much more likely on him. Then asks town for input on several things - how many scum? Maybe no SK? If we have more bad luck, we will either lose or wake up to 2-2-1. He rereads Morgrim and finds him quite scummy. Later has to revise his conclusion. Rereads Hydrad and finds him townier on reread than he had previously.

My take on this: DatSwan looks towny to me up until he starts scumreading silver. Then I start having some doubts, of course accentuated because we now know silver was town. I'm also a bit perplexed by the frequent townreads on Galzria, often accompanied by serious criticism. The last thing he said Day 2 is confusing. Then there was the scumread on Morgrim, who we also know now is probably town. I'd say I'd be willing to vote DatSwan, but I wouldn't tunnel him.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #908 on: October 02, 2018, 10:42:19 pm »

Where is everyone?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #909 on: October 02, 2018, 11:29:46 pm »

Where is everyone?

Busy right now. Trying to answer questions directly to me but this will be my last game for a while.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #910 on: October 03, 2018, 01:26:19 am »

Question for everyone: if you don't think silver targeted Swan in the night and died as a result, which other option (from the ones I just posted) are you suggesting is the true explanation, and what other decisions are you making based on that belief?


1) This could be potentially valuable information, especially if I am lynched today. silverspawn did NOT target me - just want to make that super clear. As in I did NOT receive a message saying he targeted me. Which is valuable info even if I get lynched today - Just cuz the kill would go off last in the resolution I believe (I have not confirmed that yet). This means that even if they targeted me, I would of got a message. So as Space #4 is like the most unlikely of options, and if they were killed at night I would of got a message, I think that either they were re-directed onto skum or they did not get the WV ability and they were killed. Unlikely that skum would of killed them, but SK would have to be aware they need to start offing skum if the SK exists.

2) I have to concede at this point that the crumb is fairly obvious. So, IMO it absolutely cannot be option #4  in Space's list. That would be so anti town for him to lay that out there and then switch because if he dies at night he obv puts me in this situation and then that's 2 dead town... I mean he wouldn't know I am town, but still I don't see any reason for his last post to be that crumb and then to switch given the potential downside.

3) In regards to #3, I do not at all see why people are hesitant to believe skum would redirect silver onto one of their own team mates. If this crumb silver left was SO obvious to everyone, then what is the downside of them not doing it? I am assuming that skum did not know what silver's role was, but as Space mentioned they made it a big deal to point out the use of the word "visit" and all that - so I don't think it is a stretch for skum to assume upon using that forced sentence at the end of day yesterday, that SS may just be some form of weak visitor.

3 SOUNDS like a paranoia theory, but really just run it through, it is not that far fetched.


On the other hand, #4 here is absolutely a paranoia theory, but I am putting it out there anyway:
4) The next of silverspawn's potential abilities was the no vote power. What if Skum followed all logic listed under the assumption that SS was WV, but instead SSrolled no vote. And now today we have GK with a No Vote ability on them. Yeah, it's a reach but I wanna throw it out there.

The QT opening thing is not relevant unless somehow Skum new silver's role. Which is unlikely.



Summary:

1) If everyone noticed silver's stance on the use of the word "visit" and using it as a crumb at the end of day yesterday.... and said crumb they left on me was so obvious to most - then why would it be weird for skum to re-direct silver onto a team mate? That is essentially an extra kill for them if SS is a WV of sorts.

2) With the crumb they left, combined with their previous statments about using the term "visit", I do not think it is possible that silver rolled the WV role and chose anyone but me.

3) I did NOT receive a message saying silver targeted me at night. So, assuming I am right about the resolution, they did not roll WV and also get killed at night.

4) If the no vote ability is directable, then the fact that GK has no vote is suspicious imo.

5) The last role of "opening a 1 day QT" is irrelevant unless skum somehow knew silver's actual role.

All in all, I do not think that is could be #4. I think it is suspicious of Space to question their #3 after they made all the points about SS using the term "weak" and pointing out how obvious the crumb was, that it would be weird for skum to re-direct onto their own. I know for a fact it is not #2. I think it is potentially also likely that if an SK is in play, they would consider targeting silver - I am basing that on my bias that I thought SS was coming off as skummy and if there is an SK they would want to kill skum at night at this point.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #911 on: October 03, 2018, 01:41:40 am »

Question for everyone: if you don't think silver targeted Swan in the night and died as a result, which other option (from the ones I just posted) are you suggesting is the true explanation, and what other decisions are you making based on that belief?


1) This could be potentially valuable information, especially if I am lynched today. silverspawn did NOT target me - just want to make that super clear. As in I did NOT receive a message saying he targeted me. Which is valuable info even if I get lynched today - Just cuz the kill would go off last in the resolution I believe (I have not confirmed that yet). This means that even if they targeted me, I would of got a message. So as Space #4 is like the most unlikely of options, and if they were killed at night I would of got a message, I think that either they were re-directed onto skum or they did not get the WV ability and they were killed. Unlikely that skum would of killed them, but SK would have to be aware they need to start offing skum if the SK exists.

2) I have to concede at this point that the crumb is fairly obvious. So, IMO it absolutely cannot be option #4  in Space's list. That would be so anti town for him to lay that out there and then switch because if he dies at night he obv puts me in this situation and then that's 2 dead town... I mean he wouldn't know I am town, but still I don't see any reason for his last post to be that crumb and then to switch given the potential downside.

3) In regards to #3, I do not at all see why people are hesitant to believe skum would redirect silver onto one of their own team mates. If this crumb silver left was SO obvious to everyone, then what is the downside of them not doing it? I am assuming that skum did not know what silver's role was, but as Space mentioned they made it a big deal to point out the use of the word "visit" and all that - so I don't think it is a stretch for skum to assume upon using that forced sentence at the end of day yesterday, that SS may just be some form of weak visitor.

3 SOUNDS like a paranoia theory, but really just run it through, it is not that far fetched.


On the other hand, #4 here is absolutely a paranoia theory, but I am putting it out there anyway:
4) The next of silverspawn's potential abilities was the no vote power. What if Skum followed all logic listed under the assumption that SS was WV, but instead SSrolled no vote. And now today we have GK with a No Vote ability on them. Yeah, it's a reach but I wanna throw it out there.

The QT opening thing is not relevant unless somehow Skum new silver's role. Which is unlikely.



Summary:

1) If everyone noticed silver's stance on the use of the word "visit" and using it as a crumb at the end of day yesterday.... and said crumb they left on me was so obvious to most - then why would it be weird for skum to re-direct silver onto a team mate? That is essentially an extra kill for them if SS is a WV of sorts.

2) With the crumb they left, combined with their previous statments about using the term "visit", I do not think it is possible that silver rolled the WV role and chose anyone but me.

3) I did NOT receive a message saying silver targeted me at night. So, assuming I am right about the resolution, they did not roll WV and also get killed at night.

4) If the no vote ability is directable, then the fact that GK has no vote is suspicious imo.

5) The last role of "opening a 1 day QT" is irrelevant unless skum somehow knew silver's actual role.

All in all, I do not think that is could be #4. I think it is suspicious of Space to question their #3 after they made all the points about SS using the term "weak" and pointing out how obvious the crumb was, that it would be weird for skum to re-direct onto their own. I know for a fact it is not #2. I think it is potentially also likely that if an SK is in play, they would consider targeting silver - I am basing that on my bias that I thought SS was coming off as skummy and if there is an SK they would want to kill skum at night at this point.

one thing is its harder to notice breadcrumbs when you don't know what role they are yet. I would be impressed if scum figured out from that SS post that he was a WK. But once someone flips you can go back and kinda see potential breadcrumbs.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #912 on: October 03, 2018, 02:29:54 am »

Question for everyone: if you don't think silver targeted Swan in the night and died as a result, which other option (from the ones I just posted) are you suggesting is the true explanation, and what other decisions are you making based on that belief?


1) This could be potentially valuable information, especially if I am lynched today. silverspawn did NOT target me - just want to make that super clear. As in I did NOT receive a message saying he targeted me. Which is valuable info even if I get lynched today - Just cuz the kill would go off last in the resolution I believe (I have not confirmed that yet). This means that even if they targeted me, I would of got a message. So as Space #4 is like the most unlikely of options, and if they were killed at night I would of got a message, I think that either they were re-directed onto skum or they did not get the WV ability and they were killed. Unlikely that skum would of killed them, but SK would have to be aware they need to start offing skum if the SK exists.

2) I have to concede at this point that the crumb is fairly obvious. So, IMO it absolutely cannot be option #4  in Space's list. That would be so anti town for him to lay that out there and then switch because if he dies at night he obv puts me in this situation and then that's 2 dead town... I mean he wouldn't know I am town, but still I don't see any reason for his last post to be that crumb and then to switch given the potential downside.

3) In regards to #3, I do not at all see why people are hesitant to believe skum would redirect silver onto one of their own team mates. If this crumb silver left was SO obvious to everyone, then what is the downside of them not doing it? I am assuming that skum did not know what silver's role was, but as Space mentioned they made it a big deal to point out the use of the word "visit" and all that - so I don't think it is a stretch for skum to assume upon using that forced sentence at the end of day yesterday, that SS may just be some form of weak visitor.

3 SOUNDS like a paranoia theory, but really just run it through, it is not that far fetched.


On the other hand, #4 here is absolutely a paranoia theory, but I am putting it out there anyway:
4) The next of silverspawn's potential abilities was the no vote power. What if Skum followed all logic listed under the assumption that SS was WV, but instead SSrolled no vote. And now today we have GK with a No Vote ability on them. Yeah, it's a reach but I wanna throw it out there.

The QT opening thing is not relevant unless somehow Skum new silver's role. Which is unlikely.



Summary:

1) If everyone noticed silver's stance on the use of the word "visit" and using it as a crumb at the end of day yesterday.... and said crumb they left on me was so obvious to most - then why would it be weird for skum to re-direct silver onto a team mate? That is essentially an extra kill for them if SS is a WV of sorts.

2) With the crumb they left, combined with their previous statments about using the term "visit", I do not think it is possible that silver rolled the WV role and chose anyone but me.

3) I did NOT receive a message saying silver targeted me at night. So, assuming I am right about the resolution, they did not roll WV and also get killed at night.

4) If the no vote ability is directable, then the fact that GK has no vote is suspicious imo.

5) The last role of "opening a 1 day QT" is irrelevant unless skum somehow knew silver's actual role.

All in all, I do not think that is could be #4. I think it is suspicious of Space to question their #3 after they made all the points about SS using the term "weak" and pointing out how obvious the crumb was, that it would be weird for skum to re-direct onto their own. I know for a fact it is not #2. I think it is potentially also likely that if an SK is in play, they would consider targeting silver - I am basing that on my bias that I thought SS was coming off as skummy and if there is an SK they would want to kill skum at night at this point.

one thing is its harder to notice breadcrumbs when you don't know what role they are yet. I would be impressed if scum figured out from that SS post that he was a WK. But once someone flips you can go back and kinda see potential breadcrumbs.

I mean yeah... but it was, as pointed out.... pointed out so much. I think it should at least be considered that a team of players vs a team of individual players could of used said info to select a decision.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #913 on: October 03, 2018, 02:45:50 am »

Since we all about the breadcrumbs:

iguana is town and Awaclus is annoyingly probably town. the people to look at here are e and ... actually I don't know if anyone else is, really..

the above is the only real crumb I can find day 1 from silver. Let alone (feel free to read back) - there is ABSOLUTELY ZERO reference to visiting Space, or really any mention of Space at all.


Urgh, busy night. Seems reasonably likely that ash was the NK and Iguana died by targeting the wrong person while in human form. I need to read back to work out who Iguana would have been scumreading, and work out whether he'd have played to die as a way of catching scum at all anyway, especially with a randomly switching role like that.

If I had a WV power, even if it was just one of many powers, I would have breadcrumbed in some way that I was going to use it on you before actually doing so. It seems like it'd be pretty poor play not to do that.

I think we should look through igu's post history for such clues.

this is both accurate to exactly how they flipped and marking the fact that they would of bread crumbed in the previous day. Also this is like one of many times in D2 that they make a HUGE point of linking Iguana's potential WV power, but I cannot find a triangle between SS-Igu-PlayerX anywhere on Day 1.



I just hope hydrad isn't hammered, which unfortunately is possible.

And then there is the above here also suggesting a potential crumb at a viable Town!Hydrad result from N1. It is a reach, but it is all I got.


My point here is - and I think I have substantiated enough potential evidence at this point to at the very least not have this dismissed as OMGUS - that I think Space is skum.

1) They believe that SS was adamant about leaving breadcrumbs for their targets. They did not leave any for Space. After SS flips, Space claims an unverifiable result. It is in fact safe seeing as how no one brought up any connection to point about a QT being made, nor did SS say anything about being getting the Watcher role, nor did SS have a no vote ability on D2.

2) Upon seeing the crumb, which Space is very good at - I can't remember the most recent example exactly, but it was whatever game Awaclus won out as WW in. In hindsight of the game ending, it was a clear crumb, but no one caught it the whole time (for the purposes of that game, just being clear, Space did well and we sucked) - but that is also kind of my point for Skum!Space now. Space sees the crumb, they obviously had the "visit"t thing ready to go... is it really that far fetched to say they could articulate a plan as skum to follow this narrative. I mean damn, there doesn't even need to be a skum re-director for this to make sense, they could of just gotten lucky and an SK could of shot SS. Or even SK could of shot E! and skum shot SS with this as the set up plan the whole time.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #914 on: October 03, 2018, 02:50:12 am »

I truly believe in the aforementioned case. We need to consider a mass claim as an actual option. At this point I think it will put more of the puzzle together than what we currently have. If everyone would agree to... I hesitantly suggest that the "masons" choose the order. But more than anything I think we need to claim out to have a chance to win at this point.

The longer we stall the less time we have to discuss - so even if your opinion is "no", everyone needs to speak up.
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« Reply #915 on: October 03, 2018, 02:52:29 am »

also something I forgot to mention earlier - just cuz no weird vote has been rendered doesn't mean it is not a thing. Keep it in mind when we move to end of day.
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« Reply #916 on: October 03, 2018, 02:55:42 am »

also also... masons - if you are masons... you need to do better. IDK what that means, but there are supposedly 2 of you that know you are town and you are doing just like frikin nothing. You need to start using your role to our advantage or we are screwed.

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« Reply #917 on: October 03, 2018, 02:58:01 am »

Where is everyone?

Busy right now. Trying to answer questions directly to me but this will be my last game for a while.

Direct question - if you are aware you will not be able to participate a lot, and you know you have a piece of information that town does not, what is the hesitation in claiming said info today vs waiting for assumedly tomorrow?
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« Reply #918 on: October 03, 2018, 03:02:30 am »

Last thing before I go to watch the Ozark finale... Chairs and Galz are like insanely out of character this game. I still want to TR Galz for the catches on the voting mechanic stuff and their case on the cop connection... but it is becoming more difficult as time moves on. Chairs I have literally no clue on, but just like everyone needs to be talking more at this point. This will be 2 games in a row where allowing non-activity to be a somewhat norm "on FDS" to cost us the game. Further than this game now, it should be addressed. We should set a standard and make it harder for skum to lurk within for games to come.
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« Reply #919 on: October 03, 2018, 03:25:56 am »

Question for everyone: if you don't think silver targeted Swan in the night and died as a result, which other option (from the ones I just posted) are you suggesting is the true explanation, and what other decisions are you making based on that belief?

I really wish I had thought of this before posting what I just have... but how about you Space? If you remove me being skum and SS WVing me at night from the equation, what do you thing is the most plausible next option of the options you provided?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #920 on: October 03, 2018, 04:37:06 am »

Vote count 3.2

DatSwan (1): SpaceAnemone
Galzria (1): Hydrad
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Not voting (4): Morgrim7, chairs, DatSwan, EFHW

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« Reply #921 on: October 03, 2018, 08:20:21 am »

I honestly had a dream that this game was over already. Oops.

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« Reply #922 on: October 03, 2018, 09:35:59 am »

I honestly had a dream that this game was over already. Oops.
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« Reply #923 on: October 03, 2018, 09:38:52 am »

I don't know why it's so quiet, with the exception of DatSwan, but we need to jumpstart things here. Unless there's a significant objection, I suggest we go ahead with the mass claim.

HYDRAD and MORGRIM: Please set up an order for us to claim in!
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« Reply #924 on: October 03, 2018, 10:43:37 am »

I don't know why it's so quiet, with the exception of DatSwan, but we need to jumpstart things here. Unless there's a significant objection, I suggest we go ahead with the mass claim.

HYDRAD and MORGRIM: Please set up an order for us to claim in!

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Space
gkrieg
chairs
Galz

I guess idek

I ordered that list from who I think is the most scummy to least scummy. Chairs and gkrieg are kinda tied. Pretty sure galz is just town here. EFHW looks really confusing to me.

Actually, I would like gkrieg to claim first I am curious about the thing he said about being blocked after night one.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #925 on: October 03, 2018, 10:48:24 am »

I don't know why it's so quiet, with the exception of DatSwan, but we need to jumpstart things here. Unless there's a significant objection, I suggest we go ahead with the mass claim.

HYDRAD and MORGRIM: Please set up an order for us to claim in!

I'm hosting my colleagues for a boardgames night tonight, so I'll be mostly preoccupied till late.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #926 on: October 03, 2018, 10:57:40 am »

DatSwan
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gkrieg
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Galz

I find the ordering quite funny, because my leading hypothesis at the moment is that Swan and Galz are scumbuddies... it's so uncharacteristic of Swan not to be super-suspicious of Galz, and we have a breadcrumb from a dead WV on Swan. And then there's Galz's awful silver case, which he built on top of allegedly reading incorrectly into Morgrim's posts.. If Galz is that great at reading the finer details, why was he missing all my "it's not silver" subtext at the same time? I think he was looking to build a mislynch case, rather than trying to read into the game that subtly. And why is Galz not engaging with the breadcrumb conversation?

At least Morgrim and I agree that Swan is looking scummy. If I were dictating the order, I'd suggest something more along the lines of:

Swan
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Hydrad

As it is, masons, do you have daychat? If so, I think you should be debating this in your own QT, then presenting town with a finished list, rather than musing openly in here.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #927 on: October 03, 2018, 01:06:23 pm »

DatSwan
EFHW
Space
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Galz

I find the ordering quite funny, because my leading hypothesis at the moment is that Swan and Galz are scumbuddies... it's so uncharacteristic of Swan not to be super-suspicious of Galz, and we have a breadcrumb from a dead WV on Swan. And then there's Galz's awful silver case, which he built on top of allegedly reading incorrectly into Morgrim's posts.. If Galz is that great at reading the finer details, why was he missing all my "it's not silver" subtext at the same time? I think he was looking to build a mislynch case, rather than trying to read into the game that subtly. And why is Galz not engaging with the breadcrumb conversation?

At least Morgrim and I agree that Swan is looking scummy. If I were dictating the order, I'd suggest something more along the lines of:

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Galz
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EFHW
Space
Morgrim
Hydrad

As it is, masons, do you have daychat? If so, I think you should be debating this in your own QT, then presenting town with a finished list, rather than musing openly in here.

My case on Silver was solid, I correctly guessed at Morgrim’s role, and while I misinterpreted his meaning (through little fault of my own, given Morgrim’s posts yesterday), it was by far the best case to be made yesterday in the hunt to find scum. Your town reading of Silver was based on next to nothing at all (He messaged me N1!), and you’ve been going out of your way to spin this whole thing since yesterday - almost as if you in fact KNEW that Silver was town.

As for the breadcrumb that you’re weighting so heavily- it’s funny that you think Silver was such an obvious breadcrumb for DatSwan D2... yet can’t point to the same about yourself from him D1. My guess is that you saw the potential crumb as an opportunity to attempt to frame Swan, but didn’t bother to do your research on how that fit together with trying to claim he targeted you N1 - something no evidence suggests to be true.
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« Reply #928 on: October 03, 2018, 01:07:30 pm »

Case on Space to come today
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #929 on: October 03, 2018, 01:09:32 pm »

Actually, I would like gkrieg to claim first I am curious about the thing he said about being blocked after night one.

I really think I should claim later.  Much of my role is verifiable by what has happened thus far, and it would be beneficial for the blocker to not know exactly how I know I was blocked.
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« Reply #930 on: October 03, 2018, 01:10:43 pm »

Also, I do not care where I claim. I asked that we do it earlier today, and I think we’ve wasted much of today thus far not getting it done. Space at this point is stalling the clock trying to get re-ordering done, but honestly I’ll happily go first just to get this going.
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« Reply #931 on: October 03, 2018, 01:17:51 pm »

I'm very surprised that Space is so insistent on focusing on the claim order, instead of just doing it.  I'm also surprised that EFHW is suggesting that we do a massclaim and pushing it with little reason.

EFHW has been way too under the radar this game for her to be town. 

The breadcrumb on Datswan is incriminating, considering silver definitely would have left a breadcrumb after looking for one from iguana so hard D2.  Also Space has a good point about Datswan and galzria not scum reading each other, but I don't think that incriminates galz.

Space has not been as systematic today as I would expect from their town selves.  No voting analysis, even after doing that in the past actually caught someone.

I would have to guess that galz is the other townie, Space/Datswan/EFHW is the scum team, and chairs has gone back to his lurker ways?  I guess we will know more after the massclaim.
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« Reply #932 on: October 03, 2018, 02:48:34 pm »

As it is, masons, do you have daychat? If so, I think you should be debating this in your own QT, then presenting town with a finished list, rather than musing openly in here.

Yeah we're talking about it

Actually, I would like gkrieg to claim first I am curious about the thing he said about being blocked after night one.

I really think I should claim later.  Much of my role is verifiable by what has happened thus far, and it would be beneficial for the blocker to not know exactly how I know I was blocked.

Later meaning when? We kinda have to lynch scum today or we're just about dead in the water, which means everyone should claim today IMO. Are you proposing that you claim nearer to last, or don't claim at all today? If you were suggesting that you should be exempt from the mass claim which should and probably will happen today, that seems scummy to me.

Ugh galz please don't be scum I am literally basing all my reads on you not being scum
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« Reply #933 on: October 03, 2018, 03:33:59 pm »

As it is, masons, do you have daychat? If so, I think you should be debating this in your own QT, then presenting town with a finished list, rather than musing openly in here.

Yeah we're talking about it

Actually, I would like gkrieg to claim first I am curious about the thing he said about being blocked after night one.

I really think I should claim later.  Much of my role is verifiable by what has happened thus far, and it would be beneficial for the blocker to not know exactly how I know I was blocked.

Later meaning when? We kinda have to lynch scum today or we're just about dead in the water, which means everyone should claim today IMO. Are you proposing that you claim nearer to last, or don't claim at all today? If you were suggesting that you should be exempt from the mass claim which should and probably will happen today, that seems scummy to me.

Ugh galz please don't be scum I am literally basing all my reads on you not being scum

I just mean late in the order.  You were proposing I claim first and I was saying I should not claim first.
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« Reply #934 on: October 03, 2018, 03:40:34 pm »

I guess I havn't posted since we suggested claiming. I think claiming is good and ya me and morgrim are talking about it we just are missing each other slightly in timing of messages. Sorry!
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« Reply #935 on: October 03, 2018, 04:35:27 pm »

DatSwan
EFHW
Space
gkrieg
chairs
Galz

I find the ordering quite funny, because my leading hypothesis at the moment is that Swan and Galz are scumbuddies... it's so uncharacteristic of Swan not to be super-suspicious of Galz, and we have a breadcrumb from a dead WV on Swan. And then there's Galz's awful silver case, which he built on top of allegedly reading incorrectly into Morgrim's posts.. If Galz is that great at reading the finer details, why was he missing all my "it's not silver" subtext at the same time? I think he was looking to build a mislynch case, rather than trying to read into the game that subtly. And why is Galz not engaging with the breadcrumb conversation?

At least Morgrim and I agree that Swan is looking scummy. If I were dictating the order, I'd suggest something more along the lines of:

Swan
Galz
chairs
gkrieg
EFHW
Space
Morgrim
Hydrad

As it is, masons, do you have daychat? If so, I think you should be debating this in your own QT, then presenting town with a finished list, rather than musing openly in here.

My case on Silver was solid, I correctly guessed at Morgrim’s role, and while I misinterpreted his meaning (through little fault of my own, given Morgrim’s posts yesterday), it was by far the best case to be made yesterday in the hunt to find scum. Your town reading of Silver was based on next to nothing at all (He messaged me N1!), and you’ve been going out of your way to spin this whole thing since yesterday - almost as if you in fact KNEW that Silver was town.

As for the breadcrumb that you’re weighting so heavily- it’s funny that you think Silver was such an obvious breadcrumb for DatSwan D2... yet can’t point to the same about yourself from him D1. My guess is that you saw the potential crumb as an opportunity to attempt to frame Swan, but didn’t bother to do your research on how that fit together with trying to claim he targeted you N1 - something no evidence suggests to be true.

I also pointed this out and agree.
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« Reply #936 on: October 03, 2018, 06:21:36 pm »

Space at this point is stalling the clock trying to get re-ordering done, but honestly I’ll happily go first just to get this going.

I did genuinely come close to an actual lol when I saw that you seem to be Morgrim's top townread... that was in my office, in the middle of my work day! My post was mostly surprise at how differently Morgrim is reading it.

I'm really not happy about Morgrim's most recent post about "Please don't be scum Galz" because considering all the options is something Morgrim and Hydrad absolutely need to do.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #937 on: October 03, 2018, 06:23:20 pm »

Space has not been as systematic today as I would expect from their town selves.  No voting analysis, even after doing that in the past actually caught someone.

Yeah, but this voting weirdness stuff is kryptonite for my vote counter and usual vote analysis, because all the wagons I see in my derived page are based on votes cast visibly, not votes counted by the mod... so I've got wrong numbers everywhere, and no time to re-write it enough to auto-correct at the vote counts, since currently I don't parse the mod-provided counts :-(
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #938 on: October 03, 2018, 06:30:29 pm »

My case on Silver was solid, I correctly guessed at Morgrim’s role, and while I misinterpreted his meaning (through little fault of my own, given Morgrim’s posts yesterday), it was by far the best case to be made yesterday in the hunt to find scum.

Your story about how you read between the lines of Morgrim's posts just doesn't read true to me when you failed at the same time to read between the lines of what I was saying.

Come on, it's much stronger than that! He targeted me, so that vastly reduces the chance of him also having done a killing action, and people were specifically accusing him of being an SK.

As for the breadcrumb that you’re weighting so heavily- it’s funny that you think Silver was such an obvious breadcrumb for DatSwan D2... yet can’t point to the same about yourself from him D1. My guess is that you saw the potential crumb as an opportunity to attempt to frame Swan, but didn’t bother to do your research on how that fit together with trying to claim he targeted you N1 - something no evidence suggests to be true.

Actually, if you read back and check the order things happened in, I spent too long searching for the pattern from D1 and then posted in-thread to say I couldn't find much of a crumb at all D1. It was EFHW who found the crum for N2 before I'd even gotten around to giving up my search for the D1 crumb and moving to D2.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #939 on: October 03, 2018, 06:32:19 pm »

I honestly had a dream that this game was over already. Oops.
Who were the scum?

I had a dream once where Mcmc was all the scum. He wasn't even playing in the game I was in at the time, though :-(
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #940 on: October 03, 2018, 06:41:52 pm »

Question for everyone: if you don't think silver targeted Swan in the night and died as a result, which other option (from the ones I just posted) are you suggesting is the true explanation, and what other decisions are you making based on that belief?

I really wish I had thought of this before posting what I just have... but how about you Space? If you remove me being skum and SS WVing me at night from the equation, what do you thing is the most plausible next option of the options you provided?

Let me state first that I think silver will have at least attempted to make good on the targeting and WV thing he was schooling us all on in D2.

If we have to have the constraint that you're town, then it's possible silver tried to visit you and was swapped onto scum. Maybe there's a soul-swapping mechanic on the scum team side, and a particular scum can swap with another player, such that actions targeting that townie would instead target the scum and vice versa. That would sort of be an effective "godfather" tactic. It might explain Morgrim's weird cop results if one of his targets had been swapped with a scum. It would also make my earlier question of "why would a scum redirect actions on a townie to themself?" make a little more sense.

I guess I think there's a reasonably small chance of an actual SK, but it's there.. maybe 10% or something like that. It's also possible that scum could just have been given an extra way of killing, like a one-off vig shot for scum, depending on how LL and faust felt about the game balance beforehand. Again, I think this is a low-likelihood option. Of course, if it came with a consequence, like having their vote removed for the next day, it might feel a little more nuanced :-P
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #941 on: October 03, 2018, 06:48:44 pm »

2) Upon seeing the crumb, which Space is very good at - I can't remember the most recent example exactly, but it was whatever game Awaclus won out as WW in. In hindsight of the game ending, it was a clear crumb, but no one caught it the whole time (for the purposes of that game, just being clear, Space did well and we sucked) - but that is also kind of my point for Skum!Space now. Space sees the crumb, they obviously had the "visit"t thing ready to go... is it really that far fetched to say they could articulate a plan as skum to follow this narrative. I mean damn, there doesn't even need to be a skum re-director for this to make sense, they could of just gotten lucky and an SK could of shot SS. Or even SK could of shot E! and skum shot SS with this as the set up plan the whole time.

I'm kind of baffled at this description, but then I know I have a pretty bad memory for some of this stuff. Are you really describing a game I played in?

As far as I can remember, I'm not at all good at spotting crumbs, and I think when I've tried to leave them for other people, they've tended to be missed, too.

As for this game, you're forgetting that it was EFHW and not me who was first to pick up on silver's breadcrumb. And all of your other theories rely on there being another killing role out there.. after we already know there's a flipped third-faction survivor, and at least two town roles revealed that can themselves cause their own death. This just seems like too much town dying for there to need to be another killing role out there, so I think mechanics that explain the deaths without needing there to be an SK are worth thinking about.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #942 on: October 03, 2018, 07:22:19 pm »

I'm very surprised that Space is so insistent on focusing on the claim order, instead of just doing it.  I'm also surprised that EFHW is suggesting that we do a massclaim and pushing it with little reason.

EFHW has been way too under the radar this game for her to be town. 
I feel this is a mischaracterization. Needing to get the game going again is a valid reason for a mass claim.

Your second point is kind of arbitrary and I haven't been that under the radar. I have 26 more posts than you, for example.
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« Reply #943 on: October 03, 2018, 07:41:31 pm »

Anywhere in the order is fine with me. Space setting the order with nothing near to IC status is problematic, though.
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« Reply #944 on: October 03, 2018, 07:45:08 pm »

If everyone is in agreement that the claim should happen, i can start it as i imagine i will be the top at anyone’s list. But an order should be chosen. And it should be chosen by the masons.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D2)
« Reply #945 on: October 03, 2018, 10:27:44 pm »

One more should vote just to guard against vote shenanigans (someone not counting for some reason)

Fine
vote: WCD

well you missed your time to visit us, the deadline was a minute ago
This looks like a possible DatSwan bc

Point to space - this is efhw pointing out the crumb and it is the first one.
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« Reply #946 on: October 04, 2018, 11:09:09 am »

The more space talks the scummier he looks to me.

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« Reply #947 on: October 04, 2018, 11:47:55 am »

The more space talks the scummier he looks to me.

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« Reply #948 on: October 04, 2018, 11:56:30 am »

The more space talks the scummier he looks to me.

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« Reply #949 on: October 04, 2018, 12:10:29 pm »

The more space talks the scummier he looks to me.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #950 on: October 04, 2018, 12:31:32 pm »

I honestly had a dream that this game was over already. Oops.
Who were the scum?

I’m a bit fuzzy on details but I wanna say it was Space and Galz as mafia and then you were the SK

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #951 on: October 04, 2018, 12:42:32 pm »

Ok we need a claiming order today. Stop talking about it and post it otherwise we won’t have any time to look at it.
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« Reply #952 on: October 04, 2018, 12:43:01 pm »

And by look at it I mean the claims after we have all claimed.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #953 on: October 04, 2018, 02:11:36 pm »

Ok list time. Sorry it took so long.

Space.
Dat.
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Gkrieg.
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« Reply #954 on: October 04, 2018, 02:24:03 pm »

go go space space
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #955 on: October 04, 2018, 07:08:45 pm »

@Morgrim and Hydrad: Wow, you guys are waaaaay off if I'm at the top of your list because you think I'm acting like scum! We are screwed if you just go along with what Galz says (not that he's actually even posted a case on me!) and/or follow Morgrim's gut on me "sounding scummy". @Morgrim: I'm very frequently mislynched as town. Like, it used to happen every game. Gkrieg was usually waving an extra-big pitchfork. Apparently I just sound self-conscious or too analytical or excessively I-don't-know-what.

Anyway, I'm Dirk Gently. My power has a 50% chance of essentially role-blocking someone, and a 50% chance of essentially motivating them with an extra shot of their power.

On the first night, I targeted nobody because I was really not hooked into the game enough to be sure what to do, and my deadline is early because other people need time to react to the possible extra shot.

On the second night, I targeted silver, because I had a theory that he was a loud cop or loud tracker or something (I actually thought loud->rowdy 3->following people). It makes sense to me that he'd cop me or track me early on to see whether he could trust me, since he and I have a lot of similarities in our approaches sometimes.

Note that with silver's 25% WV, having two shots increases the chance of him being a WV from 25% to 43.75%, assuming LL re-randomised twice independently. And either he had a greatly increased chance of being WV, or he was blocked entirely, meaning there is an entirely different kill mechanism in the game. (Or my shot was switched onto someone else, or something else modified my shot or silver's shot etc, but these with a much lower probability...).
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« Reply #956 on: October 04, 2018, 07:14:56 pm »

go go space space

Sorry for the gap there :-( I was at work till just before Hydrad posted the list, then at a friend's 21st birthday party, then when I got home I had some urgent proof-reading for work (I'm one of rather few native speakers, since we hire more for technical ability than report-writing skills!) and the day's duolingo to do before I let myself back onto the forum.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #957 on: October 04, 2018, 07:18:42 pm »

I mean, what can go wrong with a random British singleton popping up in the US? :-P

Oh yeah, and I said this as a sort of Dirk breadcrumb early on, since I was referring to myself while drawing a parallel with Dirk :-)
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« Reply #958 on: October 04, 2018, 07:22:01 pm »

I assume you are purposefully withholding something about the roleblocking - which is fine, just want to verify. Also, have you clarified with LL what would happen to your modifier in the silver instance?
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« Reply #959 on: October 04, 2018, 07:56:45 pm »

I assume you are purposefully withholding something about the roleblocking - which is fine, just want to verify. Also, have you clarified with LL what would happen to your modifier in the silver instance?

No, I'm just wary about quoting my QT too closely, so I paraphrased. What else is it you want to know? I either get to give them an extra shot, with 50% chance, or if not, they can't do anything at all. I don't get told which way it went.
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« Reply #960 on: October 04, 2018, 07:57:43 pm »

I assume you are purposefully withholding something about the roleblocking - which is fine, just want to verify. Also, have you clarified with LL what would happen to your modifier in the silver instance?

No, I'm just wary about quoting my QT too closely, so I paraphrased. What else is it you want to know? I either get to give them an extra shot, with 50% chance, or if not, they can't do anything at all. I don't get told which way it went.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #961 on: October 04, 2018, 07:58:20 pm »

Ah, though now I've just asked a question, it's about to hit 1am and I need sleep. Sorry!

PPE 1: okay.. if you're happy with that, then it's your turn to claim, isn't it?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #962 on: October 04, 2018, 07:59:35 pm »

Space, you’re claiming NOT to have targeted Gkrieg N1, yeah?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #963 on: October 04, 2018, 08:05:40 pm »

Regardless, no reason to slow it up... here is mine:

You are Gripps, a Universe-Aligned Rowdy3 Member

Your abilities:

Your need to feed on the emotional energy of others is insatiable...

Psychic vampire - Every night you may target a player. If the target is Universe-Aligned, you will be informed you have absorbed their energy. If the target is not Universe-Aligned, you will die. If you do not absorb another player's energy at night, you will die the following night.

You know Amanda Brotzman is in the game. If you successfully target Amanda Brotzman at night, their Pararibulitis will be healed.

*When I asked for how my role card would flip, I learned the entirety of the information regarding Amanda Brotzman was to be [Redacted]*


My night actions were:

Night 1: I targeted Ashes - mainly because I didn't know who to target, and they were playing similarly to the other game I have played with them.

Night 2: I targeted Galz - which is obviously why I have been hard town reading them today. I had a small amount of paranoia end of D2 with the bomb mechanic, but then thought about it and decided they were a good verifiable target. Also, if I died and flipped, I assumed people would look to Galz based on the same suspicions I have been dealing with today.


I clarified with the MOD that if I do not absorb the energy of a player then "I will not receive a confirmation". I am taking that to mean that if I am role blocked or something in some way and my action is nullified I will not be informed of anything.

I also clarified regarding re-direction. The only response I get is that I "successfully absorbed energy". So technically I do not know if I did so from the targeted player. Obviously Ashes is town, and I am a strong strong town read on Galz, but just making sure it is known. 

Lastly, regarding Amnda Brotzman and Pararibulitis - I had to go to Wiki because I have not really seen the show. It led me to believe that finding her would be helpful. In hindsight, I am assuming I would of alleviated the chance factor of her role thus allowing her to choose which ability to use at night.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #964 on: October 04, 2018, 08:06:16 pm »

Ah, though now I've just asked a question, it's about to hit 1am and I need sleep. Sorry!

PPE 1: okay.. if you're happy with that, then it's your turn to claim, isn't it?

you answered my question. just wanted clarification that there was nothing you were holding back about "essentially roleblocker".
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #965 on: October 04, 2018, 09:12:48 pm »

I have barely digested Space and DatSwan's claims, but I don't want to leave this until morning.

I'm Scott Riggins, the Universe Aligned Black Wing Colonel. I'm a motion detector. If I repeatedly target the same person then each time I get an additional power. I targeted silver N1 and there was motion. I targeted him again N2 and there was motion and I learned his flavor character was female. I got all excited thinking I had found Bart, but then he died and I saw the flip.

@DatSwan - Did you do any breadcrumbing?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #966 on: October 04, 2018, 09:17:46 pm »

I have barely digested Space and DatSwan's claims, but I don't want to leave this until morning.

I'm Scott Riggins, the Universe Aligned Black Wing Colonel. I'm a motion detector. If I repeatedly target the same person then each time I get an additional power. I targeted silver N1 and there was motion. I targeted him again N2 and there was motion and I learned his flavor character was female. I got all excited thinking I had found Bart, but then he died and I saw the flip.

@DatSwan - Did you do any breadcrumbing?

Not really - Definetly did 0% intentionally on Ashes. Last minute did the bomb Galz comment as i decided on Galz end of day 2.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #967 on: October 04, 2018, 09:18:35 pm »

@Space: I guess silver could even have WV'd twice.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #968 on: October 04, 2018, 09:58:34 pm »

I'm Hugo Friedkin, the Universe-aligned Dumb Military Unit.

I have a 50% chance vig shot.  If I miss, I become voteless the next day (really swingy)

I shot silver both nights.  The first night I was blocked, because silver didn't die, but I didn't miss and lose my vote (I also got a message that said I was unable to shoot). 

The second night silver died, but I was told I missed and was now voteless.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #969 on: October 05, 2018, 12:34:39 am »

@Morgrim and Hydrad: Wow, you guys are waaaaay off if I'm at the top of your list because you think I'm acting like scum! We are screwed if you just go along with what Galz says (not that he's actually even posted a case on me!) and/or follow Morgrim's gut on me "sounding scummy". @Morgrim: I'm very frequently mislynched as town. Like, it used to happen every game. Gkrieg was usually waving an extra-big pitchfork. Apparently I just sound self-conscious or too analytical or excessively I-don't-know-what.

Anyway, I'm Dirk Gently. My power has a 50% chance of essentially role-blocking someone, and a 50% chance of essentially motivating them with an extra shot of their power.

On the first night, I targeted nobody because I was really not hooked into the game enough to be sure what to do, and my deadline is early because other people need time to react to the possible extra shot.

On the second night, I targeted silver, because I had a theory that he was a loud cop or loud tracker or something (I actually thought loud->rowdy 3->following people). It makes sense to me that he'd cop me or track me early on to see whether he could trust me, since he and I have a lot of similarities in our approaches sometimes.

Note that with silver's 25% WV, having two shots increases the chance of him being a WV from 25% to 43.75%, assuming LL re-randomised twice independently. And either he had a greatly increased chance of being WV, or he was blocked entirely, meaning there is an entirely different kill mechanism in the game. (Or my shot was switched onto someone else, or something else modified my shot or silver's shot etc, but these with a much lower probability...).

Also, just thought about this... your math is wrong (bold to say to you, so I apologize). But if you targeted silver N2 and had a 50/50 chance of role blocking them I am unclear as to why you are so set on them WVing me. Your action alone creates a 50% probability that they were unable to take any action at all.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #970 on: October 05, 2018, 12:58:34 am »

we essentially have one "cross time zone day" to the end of day... so we should get this done probably.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #971 on: October 05, 2018, 05:56:23 am »

@Space: I guess silver could even have WV'd twice.

I considered that, but if he had two WV shots and one clearly-indicated target, would he really decide to target twice? I think I would have used one shot and declined to target a second person in that scenario (or just targeted the same person twice if forced to pick target). Otherwise, the information put into the game by silver's death gets very fuzzy, and I think he'd think about maximising information, especially given that he had a town result on my by D2, and he knows how I think.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #972 on: October 05, 2018, 06:10:26 am »

Also, just thought about this... your math is wrong (bold to say to you, so I apologize). But if you targeted silver N2 and had a 50/50 chance of role blocking them I am unclear as to why you are so set on them WVing me. Your action alone creates a 50% probability that they were unable to take any action at all.

My maths isn't wrong, you just think I should have done different maths to start with :-P

I mostly said it just to counter the arguments about how rolling a 25% chance of something was too unlikely for WV to be worth considering. I believed that the game is bleeding townies too fast for there to be even more killing mechanisms out there, and therefore silver most likely died from his WV power, therefore my posterior belief that my shot had motivated rather than suppressed his power was much higher than 50%.

Now that gkrieg has come out as a vig who had it in for silver, I don't know what to think about my whole "too many things killing town" theory so much. I mean, gkrieg may well be scum trying to get his scumbiddy off the hook by muddying the waters around the breadcrumb issue, but at the same time, why risk that as scum rather than taking advantage of the good position they must be in by now just to go after one of their own for the townpoints? I'll have to wait for the other claims and see if anything anyone else makes any more or less sense.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #973 on: October 05, 2018, 06:11:15 am »

Space, you’re claiming NOT to have targeted Gkrieg N1, yeah?

I'm categorically stating that I didn't use my power at all N1.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #974 on: October 05, 2018, 10:23:04 am »

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« Reply #975 on: October 05, 2018, 10:32:22 am »

I’m Agent Nathan, the FBI Agent.

Anyway my ability is “it’s the fbi” and I’m a delayed Cop, with a flavor saying “investigations take a while”... but I think I’m also an enabler for scum’s vote manipulation because I targeted ashersky for n0 (Town, btw, though I got the result n1) and morgrim n1 (also town). The reason I think I’m the enabler/selector for scum’s vote manipulation is that I targeted e last night and we haven’t seen any manipulation today.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #976 on: October 05, 2018, 10:34:19 am »

Hope that makes sense I’m phone posting so couldn’t read over to make sure autocorrect didn’t screw things up

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #977 on: October 05, 2018, 11:48:33 am »

Almost done!

I am Farah Black, the Universe-Aligned Faltering Security Officer for the Spring family. I have been charged with the ability to protect, but due to certain events in my past, I often lack in self confidence.

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Power of Protection - At night, I may choose 3 players to protect. If any of them were to die, they will instead live, and I will lose my power to protect for the rest of the game. If I fail to protect anyone, then on any subsequent night I can only choose up to 2 players. If I fail to protect again, then I may only choose a single player, and if I fail to protect for 3 nights (total), then I lose the power entirely.

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As long as Lydia Spring is alive, I was determined to find and help her. Each night I could target two people and would get "Lydia/Not Lydia" as a result. I wasn't told what my finding her would do, except that she desperately needed my help - My guess is that if I found her, she would've lost the randomness of her powers and gotten the opportunity to choose each night.

Night 1 I did not use my power of protection at all. There were 13 alive players (12 that I could choose from), and the odds of me even finding somebody to protect were at their lowest. My reads weren't really that strong, and I had no idea about any other game mechanics at that time. Due to the fact that my initial shot can save up to THREE people at once, I figured holding off and giving myself the chance to make it really valuable instead of just hoping to get a random protect that I wouldn't even be able to pinpoint.

Night 2 we were now down 4 players (none of whom were scum), and there were 10 alive (9 for me to choose from). I did my research on Hydrad's claim. Rereading D1 & D2, it was incredibly obvious that his partner was either Morgrim or Space (based on voting and stated read histories of all players involved with Hydrad). With the added comment by Hydrad right at the end of the day yesterday about not wanting to flavor claim, it heavily tipped the scales towards Morgrim. Given that Hydrad was likely Detective Estevez, and Morgrim Detective Zimmerfield, and that if I had pieced that together so would scum, it seemed the obvious choice to protect our Mason-Cops last night. I made Grkrieg my third as he was my largest town read following D2 since he was the only person that I felt was actually looking for scum in trying to get Silver lynched.

Having failed to protect anybody last night (I received a note from the Mod saying my confidence level has dropped slightly), I can now only protect two people tonight. That said, I can confirm that none of Hydrad/Morgrim/Gkrieg were targeted to die last night.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #978 on: October 05, 2018, 12:19:40 pm »

EFHW has the claim that doesn't fit with the others.  Space is probably town considering they are the main character of the show.  Galzria's power seems necessary considering town had so many ways to die.

Datswan's power doesn't make a lot of sense for town.  It does make a lot of sense for scum.

chairs also doesn't strike me as town, and is probably the scum member that does vote manipulation.

Still no one claimed to have done anything to have blocked me N1, so my guess is that scum has a roleblocker.  I haven't looked back at the flips of other people yet.

Space and galz seem the towniest to me other than the masons after the claims, which leaves EFHW/chairs/Datswan as the scums.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #979 on: October 05, 2018, 12:50:12 pm »

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« Reply #980 on: October 05, 2018, 12:53:55 pm »

Do we know Hydad's power?

No, Morgrim & Hydrad finish out the claims.

Does Hydrad need to claim?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #981 on: October 05, 2018, 02:00:20 pm »

I’m Agent Nathan, the FBI Agent.

Anyway my ability is “it’s the fbi” and I’m a delayed Cop, with a flavor saying “investigations take a while”... but I think I’m also an enabler for scum’s vote manipulation because I targeted ashersky for n0 (Town, btw, though I got the result n1) and morgrim n1 (also town). The reason I think I’m the enabler/selector for scum’s vote manipulation is that I targeted e last night and we haven’t seen any manipulation today.

Also because of this claim, either the masons are town or chairs is scum with them. 
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #982 on: October 05, 2018, 02:59:16 pm »

I think morgrim has basically already claimed but I think our claims are the same. We are both masons and share a QT that is always open. We are both cops that shared the power. We had 2cop shots. One would return incorrect and one would turn correct. We weren't allowed to choose ourselves with the shot. We could choose who would do the cop action. N1: morgrim used it on iguana and N2: I used it on silver.

Both results turned up as town so I don't know how that happened.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #983 on: October 05, 2018, 03:44:35 pm »

I think morgrim has basically already claimed but I think our claims are the same. We are both masons and share a QT that is always open. We are both cops that shared the power. We had 2cop shots. One would return incorrect and one would turn correct. We weren't allowed to choose ourselves with the shot. We could choose who would do the cop action. N1: morgrim used it on iguana and N2: I used it on silver.

Both results turned up as town so I don't know how that happened.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #984 on: October 05, 2018, 04:13:07 pm »

EFHW has the claim that doesn't fit with the others.  Space is probably town considering they are the main character of the show.  Galzria's power seems necessary considering town had so many ways to die.

Datswan's power doesn't make a lot of sense for town.  It does make a lot of sense for scum.

chairs also doesn't strike me as town, and is probably the scum member that does vote manipulation.

Still no one claimed to have done anything to have blocked me N1, so my guess is that scum has a roleblocker.  I haven't looked back at the flips of other people yet.

Space and galz seem the towniest to me other than the masons after the claims, which leaves EFHW/chairs/Datswan as the scums.

I am not quite sure what makes my role suspicious. However i agree with you on space and Galz. Your role seems a little suspicious to me, but you seem towny so idk what to do with that right now
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #985 on: October 05, 2018, 04:25:49 pm »

It's pretty suspicious to absorb people's powers...
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #986 on: October 05, 2018, 04:28:24 pm »

I wanna clarify - i do NOT absorb their powers. I absorb their ENERGY, which is some thing my character does in the show i am to believe. Either way - in mafia terms - the absorption of energy is flavor only
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #987 on: October 05, 2018, 04:47:59 pm »

It's pretty suspicious to absorb people's powers...
WCD did, and she was town.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #988 on: October 05, 2018, 05:39:51 pm »

It's pretty suspicious to absorb people's powers...
WCD did, and she was town.

Wcd was a survivor
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #989 on: October 05, 2018, 05:45:13 pm »

It's pretty suspicious to absorb people's powers...
WCD did, and she was town.

Wcd was a survivor
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #990 on: October 05, 2018, 06:17:40 pm »

I say we should all lynch EFHW.  She has been scummy and her claim is scummy.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #991 on: October 05, 2018, 06:54:41 pm »

If I repeatedly target the same person then each time I get an additional power.

Do you now get to detect motion and gender on your N3 target, if it's an additional power, not just additional information on your target the second time you pick the same person?

If so, given that there are not that many significant female characters left in the show, you could target Galz to check he's Farah, or target gkrieg on the off-chance he's Bart masquerading as a vig.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #992 on: October 05, 2018, 06:57:01 pm »

I'm Hugo Friedkin, the Universe-aligned Dumb Military Unit.

I have a 50% chance vig shot.  If I miss, I become voteless the next day (really swingy)

I shot silver both nights.  The first night I was blocked, because silver didn't die, but I didn't miss and lose my vote (I also got a message that said I was unable to shoot). 

The second night silver died, but I was told I missed and was now voteless.

Does this mean "miss" as in you try to shoot and the coin-flip goes the wrong way, or "miss" as in you try to shoot at someone who is protected, already dead, or for some other reason cannot be targeted?
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« Reply #993 on: October 05, 2018, 07:08:09 pm »

@gkreig, to clarify, I'm wondering whether the order of resolution matters in your "miss" thing, and whether silver dying of a weak visit means he becomes in invalid target, because I still want to make some sense of what went on with silver, especially since it seems that even our extra revealed kill mechanism doesn't account for his death.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #994 on: October 05, 2018, 07:10:13 pm »

It's pretty suspicious to absorb people's powers...
WCD did, and she was town.

Wcd was a survivor
oh right. Not scum, though.

... is this an error more likely to be made by someone on the scum team? If EFHW viewed WCD as "town" simply because WCD was not on EFHW's scum-team, I think this kind of slip may be marginally more likely.

Of course, then I have to worry about why gkrieg, who's posted right after EFHW to call for her lynch, wasn't paying attention to something like that (or wasn't commenting, at any rate...).
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #995 on: October 05, 2018, 07:12:53 pm »

Chairs and Swan are the ones whose flavour gives me the most worry. Chairs because I'd forgotten the character entirely and had to look him up, and Swan because if I were trying to put fake flavour for scum somewhere, additional Rowdy Three members would be an easy solution (and also the other Rowdy Three member has flipped, so we know he was town, and I'm just generally suspicious of Swan still).
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #996 on: October 05, 2018, 07:21:26 pm »

Okay, last thing before I go to bed! What's everyone else's best explanation for why the masons got two "town" responses on two townies when they were supposed to get one try and one false.

I wonder if there's some kind of soul-swap mechanic, where we think we're targeting one player, but actually get an output from another player thanks to some scum-controlled soul-swap role/power/machine. That feels just too wild and unsolvable for town though, because with that much messing around and Galz's claimed protective ability, the WV-type roles would mean very little other than a high death rate for town.

Has anyone thought it through any further? If not, why not? :-P I'm more or less happy treating the masons as ICs now, though I'd be happy to listen to arguments as to why that's bad, if anyone wants to make them...
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #997 on: October 05, 2018, 07:25:18 pm »

upon reading up on the show I think the whole Machine Men Clan people could be skum and the idea of soul swapping could def be a thing. Probably not terribly worth while for us to work on it too much right now in regards to the masons, but that is just based on the small amount of time we have left until DL.

Speaking of which... I am teaching for the next 3-4 hours, but then should be around more or less for the last 4ish hours of DL.

I would be OK with EFHW, Chairs, or GK today (the order of which I am not sure of at this point).
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #998 on: October 05, 2018, 08:35:36 pm »

Here is a summary of our claimed actions. It's in order of claims. Italics show open questions or things we have no explanation for:

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Chairs targeted ashersky with delayed cop. Result: town, and voting weirdness

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Space claims silver targeted them N1 with WV. Result: silver lived. No breadcrumb.
Space targeted no one.
DatSwan t'd ashersky with WV. Result: DatSwan absorbed energy and lived.
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gkrieg t'd silver with 50% vig. Result: Didn't miss, but silver didn't die.
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Galz t'd no one.
Morgrim t'd iguana. Result: town. Means next result should be false.

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Space t'd silver with 50%RB, 50%Motivator. Result: unknown
DatSwan t'd Galz with WV. Result: DatSwan lived. Did he absorb energy?
EFHW t'd silver with MD+. Result: yes and flavor is female.
gkrieg t'd silver with 50% vig. Result: Missed and lost vote for D3.
chairs t'd e. Result: None yet, but will be town. No voting weirdness.
Galzria t'd Hydrad, Morgrim and gkrieg for Doctoring. Result: Not needed.
Galzria t'd ?? in search of Lydia.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #999 on: October 05, 2018, 08:38:25 pm »

I say we should all lynch EFHW.  She has been scummy and her claim is scummy.
Just stating that I am scummy is scummy itself. Can you elaborate?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1000 on: October 05, 2018, 08:39:51 pm »

re: The mason's investigation, it could be that the N1 result was the false one but was tampered with somehow, and the N2 one was legit.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1001 on: October 05, 2018, 08:41:29 pm »

Need to add to N2:

silver t'd ?? (Best guess is DatSwan) Result: unknown, but might be why silver died.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1002 on: October 05, 2018, 08:45:11 pm »

If I repeatedly target the same person then each time I get an additional power.

Do you now get to detect motion and gender on your N3 target, if it's an additional power, not just additional information on your target the second time you pick the same person?

If so, given that there are not that many significant female characters left in the show, you could target Galz to check he's Farah, or target gkrieg on the off-chance he's Bart masquerading as a vig.
No. I'll have to pick a new target which means I'll go back to simple Motion Detector for N3.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1003 on: October 05, 2018, 08:54:22 pm »

Chairs and Swan are the ones whose flavour gives me the most worry. Chairs because I'd forgotten the character entirely and had to look him up, and Swan because if I were trying to put fake flavour for scum somewhere, additional Rowdy Three members would be an easy solution (and also the other Rowdy Three member has flipped, so we know he was town, and I'm just generally suspicious of Swan still).

It's also worrisome that we seem to have three WV's and a vig. Seems like either DatSwan or gkrieg is lying.
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« Reply #1004 on: October 05, 2018, 08:56:35 pm »

Add to N1:

iguana t'd ?? 50%RB, 50%WV. Result: ?? May have died from weak visiting
ashersky t'd ?? with ??. Result: ?? If he chose RB, maybe he targeted gkrieg. If he chose bodyguard, maybe that is how he died. I'll look for breadcrumbs.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1005 on: October 05, 2018, 09:02:39 pm »

Shoot (just a figure of speech!) I need to be more organized:

Add to N1:

WCD t'd no one. She didn't have any powers yet.
e t'd ?? with probability manipulator. Result: ??. He may have targeted someone without probability in their role, targeted silver, been roleblocked, or targeted scum and they aren't saying.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #1006 on: October 05, 2018, 09:11:16 pm »

Day 1 passes: Morgrim (obv), Galz (too useful as any alignment, most likely to die N1 as town), EFHW (lacking her trademark scumminess that I remember) and new people (see my debut game).

From this, I'd guess that ashersky would bodyguard Galzria. So there is a chance Galzria was scum's intended nk.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1007 on: October 05, 2018, 10:56:36 pm »

Phone for another hour or so, but i think i like chairs the best. I’ll get more into when I’m at a computer
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« Reply #1008 on: October 05, 2018, 11:36:11 pm »

With Swan at a bar. We’ll both be DAMA posting to deadline. Both mobile for the next hour or so.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1009 on: October 05, 2018, 11:50:31 pm »

Are we planning to no lynch? I'm going to sleep, so vote: gkrieg
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1010 on: October 06, 2018, 12:01:10 am »

I'm feeling

Vote: EFHW

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« Reply #1011 on: October 06, 2018, 12:11:48 am »

I say we should all lynch EFHW.  She has been scummy and her claim is scummy.

Lol “we”? Not digging into this at all just pointing it out bc it’s funny as GK can’t vote.
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« Reply #1012 on: October 06, 2018, 12:17:31 am »

Hydrad EFHW you all around til DL or what’s up?
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« Reply #1013 on: October 06, 2018, 12:31:57 am »

vote: EFHW. I’m around till DL to discuss.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1014 on: October 06, 2018, 12:38:49 am »

I'm Hugo Friedkin, the Universe-aligned Dumb Military Unit.

I have a 50% chance vig shot.  If I miss, I become voteless the next day (really swingy)

I shot silver both nights.  The first night I was blocked, because silver didn't die, but I didn't miss and lose my vote (I also got a message that said I was unable to shoot). 

The second night silver died, but I was told I missed and was now voteless.

Does this mean "miss" as in you try to shoot and the coin-flip goes the wrong way, or "miss" as in you try to shoot at someone who is protected, already dead, or for some other reason cannot be targeted?

It means that the coin flips the wrong way. I specifically was told that something happened that made me unable to shoot N1 and then told I missed N2 and am voteless.
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« Reply #1015 on: October 06, 2018, 12:40:04 am »

@gkreig, to clarify, I'm wondering whether the order of resolution matters in your "miss" thing, and whether silver dying of a weak visit means he becomes in invalid target, because I still want to make some sense of what went on with silver, especially since it seems that even our extra revealed kill mechanism doesn't account for his death.

If he were an invalid target I wouldn’t be able to shoot him and wouldn’t lose my vote.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1016 on: October 06, 2018, 12:42:10 am »

Are we planning to no lynch? I'm going to sleep, so vote: gkrieg

Lol at telling me I’m scummy for saying you’re scummy without saying why then voting for me without saying why I’m scummy other than the little bit about my claim.
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« Reply #1017 on: October 06, 2018, 12:43:31 am »

If I had a vote it would be going at Datswan EFHW or chairs.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1018 on: October 06, 2018, 12:51:08 am »

We need 5/7 votes to lynch. I prefer chairs still, but EFHW is tied for number 2 so

Vote: EFHW
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1019 on: October 06, 2018, 12:53:23 am »

If I had a vote it would be going at Datswan EFHW or chairs.

I am on EFHW now - I could be convinced to do Chairs if the votes were there.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1020 on: October 06, 2018, 12:55:00 am »

We need 5/7 votes to lynch. I prefer chairs still, but EFHW is tied for number 2 so

Vote: EFHW

What’s the actual VC? Do we put EDHW at 3 of 5? Are we 2 of the 3 on wagon right now?
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1021 on: October 06, 2018, 01:08:24 am »

VC is Galz, Swan, Hydrad (3) on EFHW
And EFHW on GK
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1022 on: October 06, 2018, 01:20:54 am »

And space is on Swan i believe
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1023 on: October 06, 2018, 01:57:51 am »

Also 3 hours to DL
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« Reply #1024 on: October 06, 2018, 02:08:10 am »

*crickets*
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1025 on: October 06, 2018, 02:15:23 am »

unfortunatly I have to go to sleep right away here.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1026 on: October 06, 2018, 02:16:04 am »

EFHW is the one I like the most and the one closest to getting lynched so i think keeping my vote there is fine? but getting 5 votes might be hard if gkrieg can't vote.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1027 on: October 06, 2018, 02:31:25 am »

EFHW is the one I like the most and the one closest to getting lynched so i think keeping my vote there is fine? but getting 5 votes might be hard if gkrieg can't vote.

Swan and I could switch to Chairs, which would put him at 3 if you switched too.
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1028 on: October 06, 2018, 02:34:26 am »

EFHW is the one I like the most and the one closest to getting lynched so i think keeping my vote there is fine? but getting 5 votes might be hard if gkrieg can't vote.

Swan and I could switch to Chairs, which would put him at 3 if you switched too.

What about GK? I mean i am good with chairs GK or efhw whatever gets it done.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1029 on: October 06, 2018, 03:03:46 am »

Vote count 3.3

DatSwan (1): SpaceAnemone
gkrieg13 (1): EFHW
EFHW (3): Hydrad, Galzria, DatSwan
Not voting (2): Morgrim7, chairs

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Saturday, 6th of October, at 5am. That's in 2 hours.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1030 on: October 06, 2018, 03:20:01 am »

Thunderstorm here, woke me up. vote: chairs.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1031 on: October 06, 2018, 06:30:00 am »

Thread locked.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1032 on: October 06, 2018, 06:30:38 am »

Vote count 3.final

DatSwan (1): SpaceAnemone
EFHW (3): Hydrad, Galzria, DatSwan
chairs (1): EFHW
Not voting (2): Morgrim7, chairs

With 8 alive, it should've taken 5 to lynch.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #1033 on: October 06, 2018, 06:32:45 am »

Universe can not tell you what to do if you do nothing.

No one was lynched.

Night 3 starts now and ends in 48 hours, 6:30am, 8th of October.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #1034 on: October 08, 2018, 10:44:18 am »

When Dirk approached the place of Todd's death, he noticed 2 cars. Both black, both signless. But who cares about that? He felt the urge to investigate!

From both cars 2 figures in black followed Dirk. Meeting each other on the doorstep of the building they suspiciously looked into each other... and simultaneously suddenly pulled the triggers of their guns.

gkrieg13 has died! He was Hugo Friedkin, the Universe-aligned Dumb Military Unit.

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Your abilities:

Shoot'em up!: Each night you may target a person. You shoot at your target and with a 50% probablity you hit your aim and a person dies.
I'm the boss!: If your shot was successful, you become a doublevoter for the next day: you will have 2 votes in thread.
Didn't understand you sir, no sir: If your shot was unsuccessful, you become voteless for the next day: your votes will not count.

chairs died! He was was Joseph Weedle, the REDACTED FBI Agent and a Traitor.

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Your abilities:

Open the door, it's FBI: Each night including N0 you may choose a player. Next day you will be able to secretly vote for that player in this QT. To do that, type [Playername] vote: [Target]
If you are the target of your faction's nightkill, you will join the REDACTED.
Your fakeclaim is REDACTED


Day 4 starts now!

Vote count 4.0

Not voting (6): Galzria, SpaceAnemone, EFHW, DatSwan, Hydrad, Morgrim7

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends Monday, 15th of October, at 11am

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1035 on: October 08, 2018, 11:10:43 am »

So the scum are obviously leaving Hydrad and I alive as a lynch target for today, that much is clear.

Still kinda have to assume that Galz is town here, which means that two of the remaining three are scum, correct?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1036 on: October 08, 2018, 11:23:48 am »

What is the basis of your townread on Galzria?

DatSwan - Why are you alive?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1037 on: October 08, 2018, 11:29:07 am »

What is the basis of your townread on Galzria?

DatSwan - Why are you alive?
Oh, I see, it's DatSwan's result. But I'm feeling quite suspicious of DatSwan at the moment. It seems to me like he didn't absorb any energy N2 and should now be dead.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1038 on: October 08, 2018, 11:38:02 am »

It should be noted that we’re almost certainly in MyLo. Assuming 2 scum left, it will take all 4 town voting together to lynch scum - and I don’t believe that no-lynching again to try and even the numbers out is correct here, simply due to the unknown potential for additional NK’s.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1039 on: October 08, 2018, 11:39:22 am »

Swan, as you’re alive, I’m assuming you targeted town last night? Who did you target?
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1040 on: October 08, 2018, 11:42:15 am »

What is the basis of your townread on Galzria?

DatSwan - Why are you alive?
Oh, I see, it's DatSwan's result. But I'm feeling quite suspicious of DatSwan at the moment. It seems to me like he didn't absorb any energy N2 and should now be dead.
Alright, I reread and see that I misunderstood. I thought I was onto something for a moment.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1041 on: October 08, 2018, 11:44:35 am »

What is the basis of your townread on Galzria?

DatSwan - Why are you alive?
Oh, I see, it's DatSwan's result. But I'm feeling quite suspicious of DatSwan at the moment. It seems to me like he didn't absorb any energy N2 and should now be dead.

Why would you think that he didn’t absorb N2? He targeted me and lived.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1042 on: October 08, 2018, 11:50:29 am »

What is the basis of your townread on Galzria?

DatSwan - Why are you alive?
Oh, I see, it's DatSwan's result. But I'm feeling quite suspicious of DatSwan at the moment. It seems to me like he didn't absorb any energy N2 and should now be dead.

Why would you think that he didn’t absorb N2? He targeted me and lived.
I am in a muddle. First I was seriously considering the option that you were both scum, and that he was only pretending to WV you. Then I thought he had confirmed getting energy from ash and not confirmed getting energy from you. But I looked back at it just now, and I see he didn't differentiate. And he wouldn't have died if he was scum, anyway, so yeah.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1043 on: October 08, 2018, 11:54:45 am »

From my perspective now, either Hydrad and Morgrim are scum together or it's two out of Galzria, Space and DatSwan. I'll share my thoughts on these choices once I have my head back in the game.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1044 on: October 08, 2018, 11:59:01 am »

EFHW, who did you target as a motion detector last night?
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Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Total Wins: 30
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1045 on: October 08, 2018, 12:03:07 pm »

Space, who did you target to motivate/RB?
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1046 on: October 08, 2018, 01:51:11 pm »

EFHW, who did you target as a motion detector last night?
I would prefer not to say yet.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1047 on: October 08, 2018, 04:50:22 pm »

What is the basis of your townread on Galzria?

DatSwan - Why are you alive?

I don’t get it? I am alive bc i am alive and my Town read on Galz is because i visited n2 and i didn’t die.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1048 on: October 08, 2018, 06:01:02 pm »

What is the basis of your townread on Galzria?

DatSwan - Why are you alive?

I don’t get it? I am alive bc i am alive and my Town read on Galz is because i visited n2 and i didn’t die.

So did you visit anyone last night?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1049 on: October 08, 2018, 06:13:23 pm »

Space, who did you target to motivate/RB?

I didn't want to take the risk, since my power seems pretty much a net zero gain, and motivating scum could have been a disaster, as could RBing town, so I did nothing again. I nearly targeted the masons, but I verified that it would not have given them an extra shot, so I thought there was no upside. I would have targeted you (Galz) in order to try to spread protection to more townies, but I didn't want to risk RBing you, and you were the only person I felt confident in my townread on after the claims.

I was pretty sure by the start of the night phase that chairs was scum -- I even noted in my QT that he's the only possible scum on the D1 lynch once I'd coloured you and the masons green. Good shot gkrieg :-) (Assuming that's how that played out!).

I'm still reasonably confident that Swan must be scum -- even moreso now that we've seen a genuine vig flip, since he insisted he wasn't the one who killed either of the WV people who already died, making silver's death due to actual WVing more likely.

I also wrote in the night that I thought EFHW was possibly more likely to be town than gkrieg, so it's kind of handy that scum have taken one half of that balance away.

So yeah: my best guess is that EFHW and Swan are the two others.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1050 on: October 08, 2018, 06:36:10 pm »

Hey! I'm not dead. thats great.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1051 on: October 08, 2018, 06:38:14 pm »

ok. so there is still a chance that there is an SK and gkrieg didn't shoot. Thats not what completely what I believe right now tho. If there is  no SK it does paint datswan pretty badly though.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1052 on: October 08, 2018, 06:47:28 pm »

ok. so there is still a chance that there is an SK and gkrieg didn't shoot. Thats not what completely what I believe right now tho. If there is  no SK it does paint datswan pretty badly though.

I mean, it's also possible that there's an SK and it's Swan.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1053 on: October 08, 2018, 06:52:55 pm »

ok. so there is still a chance that there is an SK and gkrieg didn't shoot. Thats not what completely what I believe right now tho. If there is  no SK it does paint datswan pretty badly though.

I mean, it's also possible that there's an SK and it's Swan.

Actually, scratch that... it's very unlikely we have an SK left.

Chairs was a traitor, and I think it very unlikely that we have a one-person scum-team plus traitor, so I think that means there have to be at least two scum-team people left. For there to be Two scum-team people left and an SK left means three non-town out of the five of you left alive, meaning from my perspective one of Galz, Morgrim and Hydrad has to be some flavour of scum on top of EFHW and Swan. That just seems less likely to me.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1054 on: October 08, 2018, 07:08:36 pm »

What is the basis of your townread on Galzria?

DatSwan - Why are you alive?

I don’t get it? I am alive bc i am alive and my Town read on Galz is because i visited n2 and i didn’t die.

So did you visit anyone last night?

Yeah I did... I targeted chairs and I got the confirmation that I absorbed energy... so not really sure what to make of that. I was dead wrong on my read. I was fairly certain given the just my overall reads of the situation that it was gonna end up being EFHW and GK. Obviously I was wrong.

My line of reasoning for my choice actually leads me into a larger point so I am going to put it in a next post.


PPE: the next post is kind of what space just pointed out.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1055 on: October 08, 2018, 07:11:53 pm »

I chose Chairs because I thought they were town of the options.
I also was assuming the skum team would be consisting of EFHW and GK.
IF the skum team was EFHW and GK, they would never kill inside [Swan,Chairs] because they want to keep that group of 4 as large as possible.
So, my thought was, hopefully to IC Chairs today... or at least make it so the choice was Chairs!Swan or EFHW!GK... as chairs would have to be town in the situation and I would have to be alive I thought it was a good idea.

Now instead we are here so... yeah.
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« Reply #1056 on: October 08, 2018, 07:22:55 pm »

Next, to add onto what Space just said about traitor and all that.

I also agree that I think it makes it less likely that there is an SK in the game. More likely there started a 2 man skum team and they had the ability to recruit the traitor to make it a 3 man team. I am a little unsure on this part... but I think 3 skum, plus a SK, so 4/14 would be a little high on the skum side of things wouldn't it?

Whatever that aside... we can go ahead and assume that skum chose to NOT kill Chairs last night, so they had to die by some other means.

Chairs claimed to of targeted Morgrim on N1 and get a town result. Now they could of done that as skum, knowing Morgrim is town, just for a safe claim, or it could of been skum helping skum. OK cool.. but then both Chairs and GK die at night.

That just makes no sense to me if the team was Swan!EFHW. We all knew who was to be looked at - pretty much everyone had conceded yesterday to skum being within [EFHW, Chairs, GK, Swan]... so why would skum team consisting of 2 players there kill off a town player in that same group? Especially, when they could of killed someone like Galz and gotten rid of the shielding stuff.

If the Masons were skum - they would not kill Chairs. But they sure as hell would kill GK. Also, the point about Chairs linking them together would help them if they are skum because they assumedly control the kills. So without a lynch on Chairs, he probably wasn't going to flip. Which would bring up... why wouldn't they want to push chairs yesterday (if the masons are town) to get ahead of the situation.
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« Reply #1057 on: October 08, 2018, 07:23:37 pm »

Another thing.
Chairs in their claims (while they did not have the result) I do not ever claimed who they targeted on N2. Which is super super weird that no one pushed that.
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« Reply #1058 on: October 08, 2018, 07:24:07 pm »

Another thing.
Chairs in their claims (while they did not have the result) I do not ever claimed who they targeted on N2. Which is super super weird that no one pushed that.

Chairs in their claims (while they did not have the result) I do not *think* ever claimed who they targeted on N2. Which is super super weird that no one pushed that.
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« Reply #1059 on: October 08, 2018, 07:33:57 pm »

So yeah. I think it is most likely Hydrad!Morgrim. I know that sounds crazy but I can't find a more realistic option.

It started Hydrad!Morgrim
They found Chairs on some night (not sure how that happened with all the kills, that is the one kink in the theory)
Last night GK did their 50-50 vig on Chairs, flipped good and killed them.
Morgrim!Hydrad killed GK because he was the towniest of the 4 suspected players, and really had the only threatening role (as they would know chairs is skum).

If they got what they wanted and there was only one death at night and it was the one they laid on GK, then we would wake up as 7 (assuming 4 Town - 3 Skum). All they would have to do at this point is get me or EFHW lynched over chairs and it is game over.

I concrete this imo with the mindset that I think it is borderline impossible that Galz and Space's claims were given to them as fake claims. This would essentially remove the 2 lead roles in the show from the game.

So if Galz and Space must be town (imo), the only other realistic skum teams must consist of [Hydrad, Morgrim, EFHW, Swan]. As Hydrad and Morgrim CANNOT be skum with Swan or EFHW, it creates two options:

1) EFHW!Swan
2) Morgrim!Hydrad

Regardless of my knowledge of my own role, the actions of last night alone would lead me to believe Morgrim!Hydrad.
Also, I was very much trying to get EFHW lynched yesterday. Just throwing that in there.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1060 on: October 08, 2018, 07:50:51 pm »

ok. so there is still a chance that there is an SK and gkrieg didn't shoot. Thats not what completely what I believe right now tho. If there is  no SK it does paint datswan pretty badly though.

I mean, it's also possible that there's an SK and it's Swan.

Actually, scratch that... it's very unlikely we have an SK left.

Chairs was a traitor, and I think it very unlikely that we have a one-person scum-team plus traitor, so I think that means there have to be at least two scum-team people left. For there to be Two scum-team people left and an SK left means three non-town out of the five of you left alive, meaning from my perspective one of Galz, Morgrim and Hydrad has to be some flavour of scum on top of EFHW and Swan. That just seems less likely to me.

Assuming both you and Galz are town... this could potentially make sense if it is EFHW as SK and Masons are skum. I guess also makes sense if I were SK... but [insert I am not SK quote here].
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« Reply #1061 on: October 08, 2018, 07:57:15 pm »

Galz - did you proc last night?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1062 on: October 08, 2018, 08:12:45 pm »

Space, who did you target to motivate/RB?

I didn't want to take the risk, since my power seems pretty much a net zero gain, and motivating scum could have been a disaster, as could RBing town, so I did nothing again. I nearly targeted the masons, but I verified that it would not have given them an extra shot, so I thought there was no upside. I would have targeted you (Galz) in order to try to spread protection to more townies, but I didn't want to risk RBing you, and you were the only person I felt confident in my townread on after the claims.

I was pretty sure by the start of the night phase that chairs was scum -- I even noted in my QT that he's the only possible scum on the D1 lynch once I'd coloured you and the masons green. Good shot gkrieg :-) (Assuming that's how that played out!).

I'm still reasonably confident that Swan must be scum -- even moreso now that we've seen a genuine vig flip, since he insisted he wasn't the one who killed either of the WV people who already died, making silver's death due to actual WVing more likely.

I also wrote in the night that I thought EFHW was possibly more likely to be town than gkrieg, so it's kind of handy that scum have taken one half of that balance away.

So yeah: my best guess is that EFHW and Swan are the two others.

I have no response to your point on silver's death. Like.. I really am trying to come up with a way to explain it but I can't. But they didn't target me.

What was your thought process on not targeting a mason last night?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1063 on: October 08, 2018, 08:41:12 pm »

Galz - did you proc last night?

I take this back - unless you proced someone that died you should probably not state whether you did or not.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1064 on: October 09, 2018, 12:52:58 am »

ok. so there is still a chance that there is an SK and gkrieg didn't shoot. Thats not what completely what I believe right now tho. If there is  no SK it does paint datswan pretty badly though.

I mean, it's also possible that there's an SK and it's Swan.

Actually, scratch that... it's very unlikely we have an SK left.

Chairs was a traitor, and I think it very unlikely that we have a one-person scum-team plus traitor, so I think that means there have to be at least two scum-team people left. For there to be Two scum-team people left and an SK left means three non-town out of the five of you left alive, meaning from my perspective one of Galz, Morgrim and Hydrad has to be some flavour of scum on top of EFHW and Swan. That just seems less likely to me.

ah you make a good point. I didn't notice it was a traitor chairs. That changes my views a decent amount.
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« Reply #1065 on: October 09, 2018, 09:02:08 am »

Another thing.
Chairs in their claims (while they did not have the result) I do not ever claimed who they targeted on N2. Which is super super weird that no one pushed that.

Chairs in their claims (while they did not have the result) I do not *think* ever claimed who they targeted on N2. Which is super super weird that no one pushed that.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1066 on: October 09, 2018, 09:48:44 am »

Revised actions and targets

N0:
Chairs chose a player to secretly vote for. This seems different from the voting weirdness we noticed

N1:
iguana t'd ?? 50%Tracker, 50%WV. Result: ?? May have died from weak visiting. No breadcrumb.
ashersky t'd ?? with ??. Result: ?? If he chose RB, maybe he targeted gkrieg. If he chose bodyguard, maybe that is how he died. Some indication he might have chosen Galzria.
WCD t'd no one. She didn't have any powers yet.
e! t'd ?? with probability manipulator. Result: ??. He may have targeted someone without probability in their role, targeted silver, been roleblocked, or targeted scum and they aren't saying.
Space claimed that silver targeted them N1 with loud WV. Result: silver lived. No breadcrumb. We know the last two possible actions did not happen, so 50%WV, 50%no target.
Space targeted no one.
DatSwan t'd ashersky with WV. Result: DatSwan absorbed energy and lived.
EFHW t'd silver with Motion Detector. Result: yes
gkrieg t'd silver with 50% vig. Result: Didn't miss, but silver didn't die.
Chairs chose to secret vote who?
Galz t'd no one with healing. t'd ?? in search of Lydia.
Morgrim t'd iguana. Result: town. Meant next result should be false.
Hydrad took no action.

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silver t'd ??  25%loud WV, 75%passive role, no target (breadcrumbed DatSwan) Result: unknown, but might be why silver died.
Space t'd silver with 50%RB, 50%Motivator. Result: unknown
DatSwan t'd Galz with WV. Result: DatSwan absorbed energy and lived.
EFHW t'd silver with MD+. Result: yes and flavor is female.
gkrieg t'd silver with 50% vig. Result: Missed and lost vote for D3.
chairs t'd ??.
Galzria t'd Hydrad, Morgrim and gkrieg for Doctoring. Result: Not needed.
Hydrad t'd silver. Result: Town. But should have received "scum" as result.
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« Reply #1067 on: October 09, 2018, 11:17:32 am »

Another thing.
Chairs in their claims (while they did not have the result) I do not ever claimed who they targeted on N2. Which is super super weird that no one pushed that.

Chairs in their claims (while they did not have the result) I do not *think* ever claimed who they targeted on N2. Which is super super weird that no one pushed that.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1068 on: October 09, 2018, 12:50:14 pm »

So yeah. I think it is most likely Hydrad!Morgrim. I know that sounds crazy but I can't find a more realistic option.

It started Hydrad!Morgrim
They found Chairs on some night (not sure how that happened with all the kills, that is the one kink in the theory)
Last night GK did their 50-50 vig on Chairs, flipped good and killed them.
Morgrim!Hydrad killed GK because he was the towniest of the 4 suspected players, and really had the only threatening role (as they would know chairs is skum).

If they got what they wanted and there was only one death at night and it was the one they laid on GK, then we would wake up as 7 (assuming 4 Town - 3 Skum). All they would have to do at this point is get me or EFHW lynched over chairs and it is game over.

I concrete this imo with the mindset that I think it is borderline impossible that Galz and Space's claims were given to them as fake claims. This would essentially remove the 2 lead roles in the show from the game.

So if Galz and Space must be town (imo), the only other realistic skum teams must consist of [Hydrad, Morgrim, EFHW, Swan]. As Hydrad and Morgrim CANNOT be skum with Swan or EFHW, it creates two options:

1) EFHW!Swan
2) Morgrim!Hydrad

Regardless of my knowledge of my own role, the actions of last night alone would lead me to believe Morgrim!Hydrad.
Also, I was very much trying to get EFHW lynched yesterday. Just throwing that in there.
I looked at the Hydrad/Morgrim scum team hypothesis, and from the information we have it could really go either way. I don't see how you are so sure about it. What makes you think they found chairs? How is you wanting to lynch me relevant to your argument about Morgrim/Hydrad?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1069 on: October 09, 2018, 06:48:01 pm »

What was your thought process on not targeting a mason last night?

What good would have come of it? I confirmed that I couldn't give them a shot if their pool of shots is depleted as they said it was, so there was no active benefit. I also know that there's some weirdness that let the masons get two townie results in the first place, and on the off-chance that scum can retarget powers onto themselves, I really didn't want to give them a double shot.
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« Reply #1070 on: October 09, 2018, 07:01:12 pm »

What was your thought process on not targeting a mason last night?

What good would have come of it? I confirmed that I couldn't give them a shot if their pool of shots is depleted as they said it was, so there was no active benefit. I also know that there's some weirdness that let the masons get two townie results in the first place, and on the off-chance that scum can retarget powers onto themselves, I really didn't want to give them a double shot.

I was along the lines of if you can't reload them, then either you do nothing to them or you block them. And if they are town then they have nothing to block so it doesn't matter. But yeah.. there are outside elements I suppose.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1071 on: October 09, 2018, 11:23:35 pm »

I’m going to have to schedule some actual time for this tomorrow or Thursday - I keep opening it up and having 10 or 15 minutes... which just hasn’t been enough to actually participate.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1072 on: October 10, 2018, 12:09:35 am »

So, until people get back I am gonna continue to build this case:

Sorry for completely vanishing when the world needed me most. The work project went well.

Phone posting right now so don’t expect anything too long or juicy, but here are my thoughts.

1) Galz was partially right and partially wrong - I do have a cop ability. I get two shots, one yielding the correct result and one yielding an incorrect result. I was not told which one would be the correct one though. Night one I targeted iguanaiguana because I was almost 100% sure he was town and thought that the result would tell me which cop I had left, the correct one or the incorrect one. Copping Iguana returned town, so I assumed that I had the incorrect one left. I copped silver last night, and again got a town result, which makes no sense.

2) I’m curious to know how many scum are left. Based off my cop results, something tells me that everything might not be as it seems with the alignments we’ve been getting from LaLight. Unless my copping ability is wrong or one of silver/iguana was a godfather of sorts, one of them had to be scum.

3) The info from above makes me question whether or not I can correctly make reads on who silver thought was scum yesterday based off the stuff silver said. I still think there’s a possibility that he was actually scum.

4) Galz is giving me scum vibes, as is chairs and maybe EFHW.

Response to 1) First off this would make perfect sense from skum disappearing and not confirming Galz's theory prior to deadline. After that they don't have to do any work. Someone else already laid the groundwork for their fake claim, they don't even have to be the one to do it. It is perfect. Secondly, I am *assuming* that skum does actually have the ability to mess with results so they threw in the SS part... or maybe they were setting it up as defense in case anyone ever got a result on them.

Response to 2) Knowing that there is a traitor in the game - saying this as skum makes a lot of sense. Trying to suggest that that there is already a dead skum that flipped town.

Response to 3) Same as #2.

Response to 4) Perfect triangle at the time. Their skum partner + Galz + lurksauce.


If both detective fake claims were given to skum, it is really not that hard to imagine that they pulled this off.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1073 on: October 10, 2018, 01:13:46 am »

I’m going to have to schedule some actual time for this tomorrow or Thursday - I keep opening it up and having 10 or 15 minutes... which just hasn’t been enough to actually participate.

I feel like I'm having the same issue.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1074 on: October 10, 2018, 01:15:11 am »

So, until people get back I am gonna continue to build this case:

Sorry for completely vanishing when the world needed me most. The work project went well.

Phone posting right now so don’t expect anything too long or juicy, but here are my thoughts.

1) Galz was partially right and partially wrong - I do have a cop ability. I get two shots, one yielding the correct result and one yielding an incorrect result. I was not told which one would be the correct one though. Night one I targeted iguanaiguana because I was almost 100% sure he was town and thought that the result would tell me which cop I had left, the correct one or the incorrect one. Copping Iguana returned town, so I assumed that I had the incorrect one left. I copped silver last night, and again got a town result, which makes no sense.

2) I’m curious to know how many scum are left. Based off my cop results, something tells me that everything might not be as it seems with the alignments we’ve been getting from LaLight. Unless my copping ability is wrong or one of silver/iguana was a godfather of sorts, one of them had to be scum.

3) The info from above makes me question whether or not I can correctly make reads on who silver thought was scum yesterday based off the stuff silver said. I still think there’s a possibility that he was actually scum.

4) Galz is giving me scum vibes, as is chairs and maybe EFHW.

Response to 1) First off this would make perfect sense from skum disappearing and not confirming Galz's theory prior to deadline. After that they don't have to do any work. Someone else already laid the groundwork for their fake claim, they don't even have to be the one to do it. It is perfect. Secondly, I am *assuming* that skum does actually have the ability to mess with results so they threw in the SS part... or maybe they were setting it up as defense in case anyone ever got a result on them.

Response to 2) Knowing that there is a traitor in the game - saying this as skum makes a lot of sense. Trying to suggest that that there is already a dead skum that flipped town.

Response to 3) Same as #2.

Response to 4) Perfect triangle at the time. Their skum partner + Galz + lurksauce.


If both detective fake claims were given to skum, it is really not that hard to imagine that they pulled this off.

hmm. I feel like the game is telling me you have to be scum. But you are playing this really well and its making me hesitate.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D3)
« Reply #1075 on: October 10, 2018, 01:53:18 am »

So, until people get back I am gonna continue to build this case:

Sorry for completely vanishing when the world needed me most. The work project went well.

Phone posting right now so don’t expect anything too long or juicy, but here are my thoughts.

1) Galz was partially right and partially wrong - I do have a cop ability. I get two shots, one yielding the correct result and one yielding an incorrect result. I was not told which one would be the correct one though. Night one I targeted iguanaiguana because I was almost 100% sure he was town and thought that the result would tell me which cop I had left, the correct one or the incorrect one. Copping Iguana returned town, so I assumed that I had the incorrect one left. I copped silver last night, and again got a town result, which makes no sense.

2) I’m curious to know how many scum are left. Based off my cop results, something tells me that everything might not be as it seems with the alignments we’ve been getting from LaLight. Unless my copping ability is wrong or one of silver/iguana was a godfather of sorts, one of them had to be scum.

3) The info from above makes me question whether or not I can correctly make reads on who silver thought was scum yesterday based off the stuff silver said. I still think there’s a possibility that he was actually scum.

4) Galz is giving me scum vibes, as is chairs and maybe EFHW.

Response to 1) First off this would make perfect sense from skum disappearing and not confirming Galz's theory prior to deadline. After that they don't have to do any work. Someone else already laid the groundwork for their fake claim, they don't even have to be the one to do it. It is perfect. Secondly, I am *assuming* that skum does actually have the ability to mess with results so they threw in the SS part... or maybe they were setting it up as defense in case anyone ever got a result on them.

Response to 2) Knowing that there is a traitor in the game - saying this as skum makes a lot of sense. Trying to suggest that that there is already a dead skum that flipped town.

Response to 3) Same as #2.

Response to 4) Perfect triangle at the time. Their skum partner + Galz + lurksauce.


If both detective fake claims were given to skum, it is really not that hard to imagine that they pulled this off.

hmm. I feel like the game is telling me you have to be scum. But you are playing this really well and its making me hesitate.

Well if it makes you feel any better the only alternative anyone should see to me be skum is you being skum, so you shouldn't really feel the need to hesitate.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1076 on: October 10, 2018, 02:19:01 am »

The teams can realistically be:

Space!Galz - At this point if this is a thing we lose. I don't think anyone is on board with lynching either of these players today.

1)
Space!Swan
Galz!Swan
Space!EFHW
Galz!EFHW

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Swan!EFHW

3)
Hydrad!Morgrim


1) For any team including Space or Galz.. I just don't see it. Space confirmed with the MOD in the public forum that "the flip is the flip". So there is no nonsense going on there. Which is the only way I see Dirk or Farah being safe claims (as in if they had the ability to kill and absorb their flavor or something, but it was confirmed otherwise).

2) This shit just doesn't make sense. It would have to be Chairs!Swan!EFHW... so the only explanation for night actions would be what... that team kills GK, the only other viable target for a lynch instead of Space or Galz? Also, just go back and read... Chairs!Swan!EFHW is not a coherent option for the skum team.

3) Day 1 - Morgrim sets the fake claim in place. Day 2 - Galz unfortunately does the job for them piecing their crumb together. Then they disappear so they do not have to go on record about anything. Then during Night 2 they pick the most looked at target??? No way! That is horrible cop mentality, they go for the outside EVERY TIME. They either got spooked because WCD flipped a 3rd alignment, and/or they just didn't want to create another "IC" that could incriminate them. Day 3 - They throw the confusion of the reverse result into play to cause confusion. Night 3 - Oh weird, the only guy with killing potential outside of them died... how strange! I would also like to point out that if GK had either killed no-one, or killed town, we would be at either 6 or 7 alive (either way 4 to lynch). So if Chairs didn't get lynched today, like if we lynched me or assumedly EFHW, that is game over. And then even then, if Chairs was lynched, it would be dependent upon GK killing a town the previous night. If that happened.. It literally wouldn't matter. We would wake up to the assumed 3-3 of [Hydrad, Chairs, Morgrim] and [3 Town]. So.. game over.

This is cut and dry to me. I hate that I am on the block.. I wish I were Space or Galz and was giving this insight, but fuck me right?

Vote: Hydrad
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #1077 on: October 10, 2018, 02:43:14 am »

Vote count 4.1

Morgrim7 (1): DatSwan
Not voting (5): Galzria, SpaceAnemone, EFHW, Hydrad, Morgrim7

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends Monday, 15th of October, at 11am.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1078 on: October 10, 2018, 07:50:59 am »

See the frustrating thing is that even though DatSwan is pretty adamant about their read and have been since the beginning of the day I still don’t know if I am positive that it makes them scum...

I still think that the most likely team Swan/EFHW more so than any other team. Galz hasn’t done anything to sully his good name in my books. Space is definitely still on the table, although their claim seems pretty believable to me given how important the flavor is to the story.

I’m gonna go ahead and plop my vote into Datswan for now

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1079 on: October 10, 2018, 09:42:10 am »

In case anyone is re-reading and looking for cohesive scum-teams, bear in mind that we may have a two-person scum team who didn't know chairs was their partner.

The kills and behaviour from the team need to be looked at in the knowledge that the "full" scums may have been picking their NK targets not only to kill townie players, but to attempt to recruit their missing traitor. It's possible they killed gkrieg yesterday because they thought a confessed vig would be a likely candidate for being their missing teammate.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1080 on: October 10, 2018, 11:05:38 am »

I'm having a lot of trouble with DatSwan's case on Morgrim/Hydrad. While we don't have any evidence to clear them from suspicion, DatSwan's case has some significant problems. His point #1: eliminating Galz and Space from consideration. This is unnecessarily narrowing the lynchpool, in my estimation. Dirk could easily be a fakeclaim. We have no direct evidence of Space's role being as they described it. Galz is somehow practically IC, and I really can't see why. The main evidence of his towniness comes from DatSwan himself.  Galzria's claim is also not verifiable. If DatSwan flips scum, I'll be looking to Galz or Space next.

His point #2: He is correct that we are not partners! But his reasoning doesn't take into account that a vig is a significant threat to scum and his very argument implicates Galz and Space by asking why they are still alive, yet he expresses no suspicion of them.

His point #3: The scum narrative works, up to a point. I lose him when it comes to N2. Why wouldn't a cop investigate a controversial and influential player? Why would they be thrown off by WCD being self-aligned? Creating confusion about the meaning of their result fits into a scum narrative. But the N3 kill of gkrieg fits any scum pairing you want to try out. Same thing with gkrieg's target. If he had targeted town, it would be game over, no matter who the two scum were. That doesn't point to Hydrad and Morgrim in particular.

[Counterarguments I am also considering:

Why am I the one pointing these things out instead of Morgrim who just posted?
Now that we know Morgrim didn't have a result on silver, his call to lynch him Day 2 seems scummy.
Morgrim's feeling confident voting when there is a risk of quickhammer if one more town player votes also looks like scum.]

I won't vote officially yet, but considering me voting DatSwan right now.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1081 on: October 10, 2018, 11:41:18 am »

@EFHW I didn't talk about DatSwan eliminating Galz and Space from suspicion because out of all of us, they seem to be less scummy than you and DatSwan (aside from hydrad. And me, obviously), so to a certain extent I think that is somewhat reasonable. I am not saying I am opposed to lynching Space (I said earlier that they are still on the table as a lynch candidate).

I find it a bit odd that DatSwan eliminated Space and Galz from the lynchpool after calling me scummy for doing the same thing with Galz.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1082 on: October 10, 2018, 01:34:55 pm »

In case anyone is re-reading and looking for cohesive scum-teams, bear in mind that we may have a two-person scum team who didn't know chairs was their partner.

The kills and behaviour from the team need to be looked at in the knowledge that the "full" scums may have been picking their NK targets not only to kill townie players, but to attempt to recruit their missing traitor. It's possible they killed gkrieg yesterday because they thought a confessed vig would be a likely candidate for being their missing teammate.

fair enough. what if we look at it from the other way around - as in Chairs was searching for their needed killer... When they fake claim, they claimed to of targeted Morgrim N2 and got a town result.
Could the mind set here not of been, "well either they are town and it will be true, or they are my skum buddy and I am waiving a giant red flag in their face with a reverse result"?

I feel like that is yet another likely scenario for this skum team.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1083 on: October 10, 2018, 01:44:30 pm »

@EFHW I didn't talk about DatSwan eliminating Galz and Space from suspicion because out of all of us, they seem to be less scummy than you and DatSwan (aside from hydrad. And me, obviously), so to a certain extent I think that is somewhat reasonable. I am not saying I am opposed to lynching Space (I said earlier that they are still on the table as a lynch candidate).

I find it a bit odd that DatSwan eliminated Space and Galz from the lynchpool after calling me scummy for doing the same thing with Galz.

These are different times. Today... if we are 6 alive and 2 skum, we could potentially lose on a mislynch.
So... today... from my perspective I either have to create a skum team including Galz or Space... or it is the masons.
It seems like a large removal of the pool, but my read is the masons. As it just cannot be one of the masons with *not* one of the masons... the lynch pool isolation sort of works itself out.

Also... I am anything if not stubborn. But if ya'll would like me to even consider entertaining a lynch on Galz/Space... someone needs to come up with a better case then "I have been suspicious of them..."
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1084 on: October 10, 2018, 07:03:59 pm »

I've been doing a bit of re-reading and trying to piece things together.

One partially-formed theory: what if the fact that iguana had made such a big deal of "roles that need other roles to activate them" had led scum to believe that he was signalling traitor, and asking to be targeted by the NK to recruit him? That would explain his lack of breadcrumb, and would mean that Ash is the one who'd died by other means, so bodyguarding sounds likely there. Someone already pointed out that Galz would be a likely person for him to have protected.

I was also playing around with a second part to my ideas about how N1 played out that had a bunch of scum-driven redirects, but I don't think it holds up. Before I remembered about Ash's bodyguard ability, I'd wondered whether gkrieg's missing shot had been redirected onto him, the masons' cop shot had been redirected onto a non-universe-aligned person, and silver's WV shot had been redirected onto me from someone he actually left a plausible breadcrumb for. However, that all seems rather far-fetched and I don't quite see a good flavour reason for it either, so maybe the redirecting was not nearly so wide-spread. Also, gkrieg actually said he'd received a message in his QT about not having been able to shoot, so I guess it's not possible for him to have shot Ash by accident after all, hence the bodyguard conclusion above.

Has anyone noticed anything e might have said that would have made scum think that he was the traitor, in case that's a motive for them having shot him as well?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1085 on: October 10, 2018, 07:06:01 pm »

I've also just done a re-read of EFHW. She's certainly very good if she is scum, and she and Swan haven't been afraid to engage with each other in-thread. Calling WCD town rather than third-faction is a bit of a snag there, though.

I feel like she pretty much has to be scum through PoE, but if not, she's really not the first person I'd be looking at.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1086 on: October 10, 2018, 08:22:04 pm »


Has anyone noticed anything e might have said that would have made scum think that he was the traitor, in case that's a motive for them having shot him as well?

only thing I found has already been mentioned by someone... which is their claim as Vig.
I think GK is dead simply because his role posed the largest threat to skum.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1087 on: October 10, 2018, 09:15:38 pm »


Has anyone noticed anything e might have said that would have made scum think that he was the traitor, in case that's a motive for them having shot him as well?

only thing I found has already been mentioned by someone... which is their claim as Vig.
I think GK is dead simply because his role posed the largest threat to skum.
They were asking about e.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1088 on: October 10, 2018, 09:19:56 pm »

Can we check our votes just in case? Chairs' pm didn't match what we saw days 1 and 2. Just everyone vote for someone different.

vote: Hydrad

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1089 on: October 10, 2018, 09:27:55 pm »

unvote. I read "vote for" as place a vote on someone, not change their vote.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1090 on: October 10, 2018, 09:51:42 pm »

Reread on Chairs, as I'm assuming that he knew who his scum-mates were from the start of the game (as most Traitors are designed this way):

First post (#55) - votes for Morgrim, raw vote, no reason. Could be a loose signal.
vote: morgrim

Next few posts are mostly about a potential for Bart to exist, and don't really involve anybody directly still in the game.

Post #133 is a bit odd, but I'm not sure if it's made more with EFHW as a scum partner, or with EFHW as town:
Ok I think we can safely conclude that the scumteam is e / EFHW / ashersky.

dayvig: EFHW

I want this to be real

In #229, votes WCD (town, from his perspective). In #288, votes Silver (town).

In #318, he gives a short "reads" list, that consists of town on me, town on EFHW, and scum on Ash. This definitely gives scum points to EFHW, as I would expect one scum partner to be in his town reads list:
Sorry, my weekends are really bad for September. I’m not sure as I have much to say, though - I was intrigued by e’s claim that e had already townread iguana and was faking a scum read for the interactions - that annoys me a little as I tend to trust in upfront Town play mostly, but I can’t be too mad because 1) it does sound like town!e, and 2) I have definitely mislead as Town before, to the benefit of my team. I would vote for silver what with the don’t you trust me line which is super scummy sounding to me, but I’m already doing that! I’m feeling Town on galz, Town on efhw, scum on ash, scum on as, kind of neutral on everyone else. I wish galz had put down his vote but this does fit what I remember of him as Town hence the Town read

In #320, he could be telegraphing something to scum teammates Hydrad/Morgrim - either a suggestion that they go with a Mason fakeclaim, or an acknowledgement that he noted Morgrim's claim of Det. Zimmerfield and was on board with where that would lead down the line:
I could be a mason with ash and still find him scum some days lol

In #342 he notes that he likes my case on Hydrad, and in #347 he votes Hydrad. This is on 9.17 at 2:43 FT. This is approximately 17 hours to deadline, and represents vote 2 of 8 needed to lynch. e! quickly follows to put Hydrad at 3. While the time to deadline isn't super long, 17 hours is honestly enough time for everybody to log on and participate at least once more before deadline. A lot could happen in that time. I'm not so certain that Chairs, even with vote #2, decides to cast his vote on one of his two partners at this juncture. It just doesn't seem like a good move when he was himself the second wagon (at 4) and he was moving FROM the leading wagon (town-Silver) who was at 5 votes.

Like, this move alone makes me want to completely write off any chance of Hydrad (and by association Morgrim) as being scum.

That said, he doesn't stay there long, and in #387 he jumps quickly to the Awaclus wagon, where he stays until the end of D1.

D2 he opens in the exact same way he did D1:
vote: morgrim

If you're a believer in the Morgrim/Hydrad/Chairs scum team, this definitely looks like, twice, he tried to signal to them.

His next meaningful contribution (there are posts throughout D2, but they almost all relate to being too busy, or are about the vote that he was controlling [Note to self: Reread who Chairs moved votes to]) comes in #653, when he votes for Hydrad... without really much explanation as to why:
I really want to contribute here but this is my week where I get to spend time with the girlfriend :( I’ll try to find a little time tonight. In the meantime vote: hydrad

... and that's it for D2. So his entire D2 consisted of voting for Morgrim, and then Hydrad.

On D3, he opens early with a "test" vote on EFHW (#844) - although he would know full well that his vote would count and who's vote he controlled at this time. Following this, he turns his first actual post of D3 into an endorsement of Hydrad/Morgrim:
I, for one, firmly believe the Mason claim.

This is interesting... Chairs is either trying to steer all potential reads/lynches away from his partners (Hydrad/Morgrim), or he names at least one of his partners as scum in his dream:
I honestly had a dream that this game was over already. Oops.
Who were the scum?

I’m a bit fuzzy on details but I wanna say it was Space and Galz as mafia and then you were the SK

And that's all for Chairs.

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So, reading this, if it weren't for the late D1 switch off of town!Silver (leading wagon) to Hydrad when Chairs himself was the second leading wagon, I would definitely think that the votes for Morgrim/Hydrad D1 & D2 were signals to partners. Like, that's pretty decent evidence. But... I honestly just don't think Traitor!Chairs (at 4 votes) moves from town!Silver (at 5 votes) to Mafia!Hydrad with 17 hours to deadline.

There are a couple of things that suggest that EFHW could be a Chairs partner though, and then Chairs never once mentioned Datswan in any fashion whatsoever.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1091 on: October 10, 2018, 10:00:36 pm »

Space, can you please run your vote tracker and post a list of JUST the discrepancies where we're to believe that Chairs would've been controlling the vote?

On day 1, I think he was controlling Ashersky's vote? - If memory serves, this is the only discrepancy that I can recall where a vote was cast by a player, but not counted by the mod.

On day 2, Chairs was controlling Morgrim's vote. Can we get a list of all the places he moved it?

On day 3, do we know whose vote Chairs was controlling?

Do we think we all have control over our own votes today? If he had activated his ability to steal somebody's vote today and then he was killed at night, would that player get control of their vote back?

Test Vote: Galzria
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1092 on: October 10, 2018, 10:04:28 pm »

While we can assume with a decent likelihood that Chairs knew who his teammates were, I doubt that went the other way, unless scum managed to shoot/recruit him at some point. Thus I think there isn't a whole heck of a lot of use looking for interactions towards Chairs.
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1093 on: October 10, 2018, 11:37:14 pm »

Note that WCD is painted in green for all VC's below:

Day 1:

Vote count 1.1

silverspawn (2): Awaclus, EFHW
ashersky (2): 2.71828....., Morgrim7
Morgrim7 (1): chairs
2.71828..... (1) silverspawn
Not voting (8): Galzria, SpaceAnemone, gkrieg13, DatSwan, iguanaiguana, Hydrad, WestCoastDidds, ashersky

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends, Tuesday, 18th of September, at 7am

Vote count 1.2

silverspawn (2): Awaclus, EFHW
ashersky (1): Morgrim7
Morgrim7 (2): chairs, SpaceAnemone
2.71828..... (1) silverspawn
WestCoastDidds (1): gkrieg13
DatSwan (1): Hydrad
iguanaiguana (1): 2.71828.....
Not voting (5): Galzria, DatSwan, iguanaiguana, WestCoastDidds, ashersky

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends, Tuesday, 18th of September, at 7am

Vote count 1.3

silverspawn (2): Awaclus, EFHW
ashersky (1): Morgrim7
Morgrim7 (2): chairs, SpaceAnemone
2.71828..... (1) silverspawn
iguanaiguana (2): 2.71828....., Hydrad
EFHW (1): gkrieg13
Not voting (5): Galzria, DatSwan, iguanaiguana, WestCoastDidds, ashersky

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends, Tuesday, 18th of September, at 7am

Vote count 1.4

Morgrim7 (2): chairs, SpaceAnemone
iguanaiguana (2): 2.71828....., Hydrad
EFHW (2): gkrieg13, Awaclus
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
silverspawn (1) EFHW
Not voting (6): Galzria, DatSwan, iguanaiguana, WestCoastDidds, ashersky, Morgrim7

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends, Tuesday, 18th of September, at 7am

Vote count 1.5

Morgrim7 (1):, SpaceAnemone
iguanaiguana (1): Hydrad
EFHW (1): gkrieg13
WestCoastDidds (2): iguanaiguana, chairs
silverspawn (4): Awaclus, Morgrim7, 2.71828....., EFHW
Galzria (1): DatSwan
ashersky (1): silverspawn
2.71828..... (1): WestCoastDidds
Not voting (2): Galzria, ashersky

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends, Tuesday, 18th of September, at 7am

Vote count 1.6

Morgrim7 (1):, SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Hydrad
silverspawn (5): Awaclus, 2.71828....., EFHW, chairs, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
ashersky (1): silverspawn
2.71828..... (1): WestCoastDidds
SpaceAnemone (1): iguanaiguana
chairs (1): Morgrim7
Not voting (2): Galzria, ashersky

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends, Tuesday, 18th of September, at 7am. This is in 26 hours

Vote count 1.7

Morgrim7 (1):, SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Hydrad
silverspawn (5): Awaclus, 2.71828....., EFHW, chairs, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
chairs (4): Morgrim7, silverspawn, WestCoastDidds, iguanaiguana
Not voting (2): Galzria, ashersky

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends, Tuesday, 18th of September, at 7am. This is in 23 hours

Vote count 1.8

Morgrim7 (1):, SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Hydrad
silverspawn (3): Awaclus, EFHW, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
chairs (4): Morgrim7, silverspawn, WestCoastDidds, iguanaiguana
Hydrad (3): Galzria, chairs, 2.71828.....
Not voting (1): ashersky

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends, Tuesday, 18th of September, at 7am. This is in 17 hours

Vote count 1.9

Morgrim7 (1): SpaceAnemone
silverspawn (3): Awaclus, EFHW, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
chairs (1): Hydrad
Awaclus (7): iguanaiguana, Galzria, silverspawn, chairs, Morgrim7, WestCoastDidds, 2.71828.....
Not voting (1): ashersky

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends, Tuesday, 18th of September, at 7am. This is in 5 hours

Vote count 1.final

Morgrim7 (1): SpaceAnemone
silverspawn (3): Awaclus, EFHW, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
Awaclus (8): iguanaiguana, Galzria, silverspawn, chairs, Morgrim7, WestCoastDidds, 2.71828....., Hydrad
Not voting (1): ashersky

With 14 alive, it took 8 to lynch.

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Thoughts from D1:

- End of Day (1.Final & 1.9): Either the entire wagon on Awaclus was town (I'm discounting Chairs vote here in the hunt for Mafia, as Mafia would've assumed Chairs to be town - thus their choice to be involved with the Awaclus wagon or not would not have been impacted by Chairs being on wagon or not), or Morgrim/Hydrad are scum. From everybody else's perspective, I could be scum on the Awaclus wagon as well, which would honestly be a decent argument against me (especially from the claimed Mason's). The "all town wagon" is rare, but not impossible - it's more common in a rush to get a lynch through at deadline, and it's especially possible given that we are talking about Awaclus as the lynch.
- In vote counts 1.2 & 1.3, either all scum are voting, or Datswan is scum (or again, possibly me from your perspective). This isn't hard to believe if you think Morgrim/Hydrad are scum, but it's worth noting.
- Similar, with the Silver wagon in 1.6 & 1.7, either it's an all town wagon (again, Chair's vote excluded for the purposes of this exercise), or EFHW is scum.
- With the two points above, either all non-voters were town (1.2/1.3), in which case the scum team is either [Hydrad/Morgrim] or [Space/EFHW], or Swan is scum | And either all Silver voters were town (1.6/1.7), in which case the scum team is either [Hydrad/Morgrim] or [Space/Swan], or EFHW is scum.

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Note that MORGRIM is painted PURPLE for all VOTES in the VC's below, due to being controlled by Chairs.

Day 2:

Vote count 2.1

silverspawn (1): gkrieg13
WestCoastDidds (1): silverspawn
Not voting (9): Galzria, SpaceAnemone, EFHW, DatSwan, Hydrad, Morgrim7, chairs, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, 27th of September, at 4am

Vote count 2.2

silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (1): silverspawn
Morgrim7 (2): chairs, SpaceAnemone
2.71828..... (1): EFHW
Not voting (5): DatSwan, Hydrad, Morgrim7, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, 27th of September, at 4am

Vote count 2.3

silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (1): silverspawn
Morgrim7 (3): chairs, SpaceAnemone, Morgrim7
2.71828..... (1): EFHW
Not voting (4): DatSwan, Hydrad, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, 27th of September, at 4am

Vote count 2.3

silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (1): silverspawn
Morgrim7 (2): chairs, SpaceAnemone
2.71828..... (1): EFHW
Not voting (5): DatSwan, Hydrad, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds, Morgrim7

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, 27th of September, at 4am

Vote count 2.4

silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (2): silverspawn, Hydrad
Morgrim7 (1): chairs
Galzria (2): SpaceAnemone, DatSwan
SpaceAnemone (1): EFHW
DatSwan (1): WestCoastDidds
Hydrad (1): Morgrim7
Not voting (1): 2.71828.....

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, 27th of September, at 4am

Vote count 2.5

silverspawn (3): gkrieg13, Galzria, Morgrim7
WestCoastDidds (2): silverspawn, Hydrad
Galzria (2): SpaceAnemone, DatSwan
DatSwan (1): WestCoastDidds
Not voting (3): 2.71828....., chairs, EFHW

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, 27th of September, at 4am

Vote count 2.6

silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (3): silverspawn, Hydrad, Morgrim7
Galzria (1): SpaceAnemone
Hydrad (2): 2.71828....., chairs
Not voting (3): EFHW, WestCoastDidds, DatSwan

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, 27th of September, at 4am

Vote count 2.7

silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (2): silverspawn, Hydrad
Galzria (2): SpaceAnemone, Morgrim7
Hydrad (3): 2.71828....., chairs, WestCoastDidds
Not voting (2): EFHW, DatSwan

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, 27th of September, at 4am. This is in 10 hours.

Vote count 2.final

WestCoastDidds (6): Hydrad, 2.71828....., gkrieg13, Galzria, silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
Galzria (1): Morgrim7
Hydrad (4): chairs, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, DatSwan

With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

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Thoughts from D2:

- I'm really just not picking up on anything D2. Everything seems so scattered, no matter what I look for in teams. Two small things that catch my eye: The first place that Chairs moves Morgrim's vote is onto Morgrim himself, where Chairs is already voting. The second place Chairs moves Morgrim's vote is onto Hydrad, where Chairs spends most of his day voting (including at deadline). This again, seems like a strong coincidence to just be random chance on Chairs part... but my follow up thought to that is... why in the world would Traitor!Chairs steal his own teammates vote? Like, that's just awful from a strategic standpoint. Note that from VC 2.5 to 2.6 Chairs moves Morgrim's vote but does NOT move his own - and he chooses NOT place Morgrim onto Hydrad's wagon with him (in what would've made Hydrad the leading wagon by 2 votes, and placed him to L-2), instead choosing to place Morgrim's vote onto me, where it stayed until the end of the day.

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Note that on Day 3, I don't know who, if anybody, had their vote controlled by Chairs, so everybody here is colored normally.

Day 3:

Vote count 3.1

EFHW (1): chairs
chairs (1): EFHW
DatSwan (1): SpaceAnemone
gkrieg13 (1): DatSwan
Not voting (3): Galzria, Hydrad, Morgrim7

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Saturday, 6th of October, at 5am

Vote count 3.2

DatSwan (1): SpaceAnemone
Galzria (1): Hydrad
gkrieg13 (1): Galzria
Not voting (4): Morgrim7, chairs, DatSwan, EFHW

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Saturday, 6th of October, at 5am

Vote count 3.3

DatSwan (1): SpaceAnemone
gkrieg13 (1): EFHW
EFHW (3): Hydrad, Galzria, DatSwan
Not voting (2): Morgrim7, chairs

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Saturday, 6th of October, at 5am. That's in 2 hours.

Vote count 3.final

DatSwan (1): SpaceAnemone
EFHW (3): Hydrad, Galzria, DatSwan
chairs (1): EFHW
Not voting (2): Morgrim7, chairs

With 8 alive, it should've taken 5 to lynch.

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Thoughts from D3:
- Morgrim never voted: Is this correct?
- One could argue that if EFHW is scum, Space is their likeliest partner, as that time of day is generally when Space is up and around, and we shouldn't have gone to no-lynch there. But it's not entirely impossible that, given the deadline, Datswan could be partnered with EFHW here. He could've been banking on a likely no lynch, with a worst case scenario of bussing his partner (when there wasn't much need to do so). Scum were easily ahead in the game at that point, and this would be the perfect setup to bus with a high-probability of not actually lynching.
- On the flip side, if EFHW is town, then scum is almost certainly messed up the chance to win the game, as either a [Swan/Space] pairing should've both been on the EFHW wagon to attempt to secure the lynch, or the same can be said of a [Hydrad/Morgrim] pairing.
-I'm really curious on the Morgrim not voting D3 thing though. That's just really, really bad if he's town.

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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1094 on: October 10, 2018, 11:38:09 pm »

  • above is meant to be [x]
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1095 on: October 11, 2018, 12:18:00 am »

Targeted rereads based on teams of [EFHW/Space], [EFHW/Swan], [Swan/Space] & [Morgrim/Hydrad] to come tomorrow.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1096 on: October 11, 2018, 02:04:46 am »


Has anyone noticed anything e might have said that would have made scum think that he was the traitor, in case that's a motive for them having shot him as well?

only thing I found has already been mentioned by someone... which is their claim as Vig.
I think GK is dead simply because his role posed the largest threat to skum.
They were asking about e.

correct you are. sorry - I was doing a GK read at the time.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1097 on: October 11, 2018, 02:10:43 am »

Galz I'm really hoping you aren't scum because I don't know if i cann vote you.

As for today I'm still currently thinking its datswan with EFHW as the partner. But the EFHW is mainly because the claim just doesn't fit in my mind, it feels off. But EFHW and datswan do not really feel like teammembers in how they are playing. Unless they realized they have to make sure one of them lives? I dunno.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1098 on: October 11, 2018, 02:19:21 am »

Space, can you please run your vote tracker and post a list of JUST the discrepancies where we're to believe that Chairs would've been controlling the vote?

On day 1, I think he was controlling Ashersky's vote? - If memory serves, this is the only discrepancy that I can recall where a vote was cast by a player, but not counted by the mod.

On day 2, Chairs was controlling Morgrim's vote. Can we get a list of all the places he moved it?

On day 3, do we know whose vote Chairs was controlling?

Do we think we all have control over our own votes today? If he had activated his ability to steal somebody's vote today and then he was killed at night, would that player get control of their vote back?

Test Vote: Galzria

Day 1 - yeah I believe it was Ashes

Day 2 - I posted it previously, but you seem to have done it yourself. They were controlling Morgrim.

Day 3 - My thoughts are either they figured there was such a small player base (with Morgrim still alive and all) that using the power might help us use PoE to find them, so they chose to not utilize it unless like lifesaving. Only other thing I can think of is they were blocked, but that would suggest Space blocked Chairs and lied... which would mean Space is skum.. so I don't really see it. It could also mean the actual skum could have an RB ability and blocked Chairs. But yeah - all vote counts on Day 3 add up to what they are supposed to from what I can tell.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1099 on: October 11, 2018, 02:25:22 am »

Galz I'm really hoping you aren't scum because I don't know if i cann vote you.

As for today I'm still currently thinking its datswan with EFHW as the partner. But the EFHW is mainly because the claim just doesn't fit in my mind, it feels off. But EFHW and datswan do not really feel like teammembers in how they are playing. Unless they realized they have to make sure one of them lives? I dunno.

In the scenario it is Swan!EFHW... why are Chairs and GK dead if the only way that scenario plans out is to make sure one of us lives? This would mean we (representing 50% of the pool of suspected players) chose to make us wake up to 2/3 instead of 2/4 again. Also, we would of had to chose not to kill the person with an RB ability, or the guy with a bodyguard ability. That just doesn't make sense.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1100 on: October 11, 2018, 02:44:15 am »

Note that WCD is painted in green for all VC's below:

Day 1:

Vote count 1.1

silverspawn (2): Awaclus, EFHW
ashersky (2): 2.71828....., Morgrim7
Morgrim7 (1): chairs
2.71828..... (1) silverspawn
Not voting (8): Galzria, SpaceAnemone, gkrieg13, DatSwan, iguanaiguana, Hydrad, WestCoastDidds, ashersky

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends, Tuesday, 18th of September, at 7am

Vote count 1.2

silverspawn (2): Awaclus, EFHW
ashersky (1): Morgrim7
Morgrim7 (2): chairs, SpaceAnemone
2.71828..... (1) silverspawn
WestCoastDidds (1): gkrieg13
DatSwan (1): Hydrad
iguanaiguana (1): 2.71828.....
Not voting (5): Galzria, DatSwan, iguanaiguana, WestCoastDidds, ashersky

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends, Tuesday, 18th of September, at 7am

Vote count 1.3

silverspawn (2): Awaclus, EFHW
ashersky (1): Morgrim7
Morgrim7 (2): chairs, SpaceAnemone
2.71828..... (1) silverspawn
iguanaiguana (2): 2.71828....., Hydrad
EFHW (1): gkrieg13
Not voting (5): Galzria, DatSwan, iguanaiguana, WestCoastDidds, ashersky

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends, Tuesday, 18th of September, at 7am

Vote count 1.4

Morgrim7 (2): chairs, SpaceAnemone
iguanaiguana (2): 2.71828....., Hydrad
EFHW (2): gkrieg13, Awaclus
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
silverspawn (1) EFHW
Not voting (6): Galzria, DatSwan, iguanaiguana, WestCoastDidds, ashersky, Morgrim7

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends, Tuesday, 18th of September, at 7am

Vote count 1.5

Morgrim7 (1):, SpaceAnemone
iguanaiguana (1): Hydrad
EFHW (1): gkrieg13
WestCoastDidds (2): iguanaiguana, chairs
silverspawn (4): Awaclus, Morgrim7, 2.71828....., EFHW
Galzria (1): DatSwan
ashersky (1): silverspawn
2.71828..... (1): WestCoastDidds
Not voting (2): Galzria, ashersky

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends, Tuesday, 18th of September, at 7am

Vote count 1.6

Morgrim7 (1):, SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Hydrad
silverspawn (5): Awaclus, 2.71828....., EFHW, chairs, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
ashersky (1): silverspawn
2.71828..... (1): WestCoastDidds
SpaceAnemone (1): iguanaiguana
chairs (1): Morgrim7
Not voting (2): Galzria, ashersky

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends, Tuesday, 18th of September, at 7am. This is in 26 hours

Vote count 1.7

Morgrim7 (1):, SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Hydrad
silverspawn (5): Awaclus, 2.71828....., EFHW, chairs, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
chairs (4): Morgrim7, silverspawn, WestCoastDidds, iguanaiguana
Not voting (2): Galzria, ashersky

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends, Tuesday, 18th of September, at 7am. This is in 23 hours

Vote count 1.8

Morgrim7 (1):, SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Hydrad
silverspawn (3): Awaclus, EFHW, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
chairs (4): Morgrim7, silverspawn, WestCoastDidds, iguanaiguana
Hydrad (3): Galzria, chairs, 2.71828.....
Not voting (1): ashersky

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends, Tuesday, 18th of September, at 7am. This is in 17 hours

Vote count 1.9

Morgrim7 (1): SpaceAnemone
silverspawn (3): Awaclus, EFHW, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
chairs (1): Hydrad
Awaclus (7): iguanaiguana, Galzria, silverspawn, chairs, Morgrim7, WestCoastDidds, 2.71828.....
Not voting (1): ashersky

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends, Tuesday, 18th of September, at 7am. This is in 5 hours

Vote count 1.final

Morgrim7 (1): SpaceAnemone
silverspawn (3): Awaclus, EFHW, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
Awaclus (8): iguanaiguana, Galzria, silverspawn, chairs, Morgrim7, WestCoastDidds, 2.71828....., Hydrad
Not voting (1): ashersky

With 14 alive, it took 8 to lynch.

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Thoughts from D1:

- End of Day (1.Final & 1.9): Either the entire wagon on Awaclus was town (I'm discounting Chairs vote here in the hunt for Mafia, as Mafia would've assumed Chairs to be town - thus their choice to be involved with the Awaclus wagon or not would not have been impacted by Chairs being on wagon or not), or Morgrim/Hydrad are scum. From everybody else's perspective, I could be scum on the Awaclus wagon as well, which would honestly be a decent argument against me (especially from the claimed Mason's). The "all town wagon" is rare, but not impossible - it's more common in a rush to get a lynch through at deadline, and it's especially possible given that we are talking about Awaclus as the lynch.
- In vote counts 1.2 & 1.3, either all scum are voting, or Datswan is scum (or again, possibly me from your perspective). This isn't hard to believe if you think Morgrim/Hydrad are scum, but it's worth noting.
- Similar, with the Silver wagon in 1.6 & 1.7, either it's an all town wagon (again, Chair's vote excluded for the purposes of this exercise), or EFHW is scum.
- With the two points above, either all non-voters were town (1.2/1.3), in which case the scum team is either [Hydrad/Morgrim] or [Space/EFHW], or Swan is scum | And either all Silver voters were town (1.6/1.7), in which case the scum team is either [Hydrad/Morgrim] or [Space/Swan], or EFHW is scum.

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Note that MORGRIM is painted PURPLE for all VOTES in the VC's below, due to being controlled by Chairs.

Day 2:

Vote count 2.1

silverspawn (1): gkrieg13
WestCoastDidds (1): silverspawn
Not voting (9): Galzria, SpaceAnemone, EFHW, DatSwan, Hydrad, Morgrim7, chairs, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, 27th of September, at 4am

Vote count 2.2

silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (1): silverspawn
Morgrim7 (2): chairs, SpaceAnemone
2.71828..... (1): EFHW
Not voting (5): DatSwan, Hydrad, Morgrim7, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, 27th of September, at 4am

Vote count 2.3

silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (1): silverspawn
Morgrim7 (3): chairs, SpaceAnemone, Morgrim7
2.71828..... (1): EFHW
Not voting (4): DatSwan, Hydrad, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, 27th of September, at 4am

Vote count 2.3

silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (1): silverspawn
Morgrim7 (2): chairs, SpaceAnemone
2.71828..... (1): EFHW
Not voting (5): DatSwan, Hydrad, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds, Morgrim7

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, 27th of September, at 4am

Vote count 2.4

silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (2): silverspawn, Hydrad
Morgrim7 (1): chairs
Galzria (2): SpaceAnemone, DatSwan
SpaceAnemone (1): EFHW
DatSwan (1): WestCoastDidds
Hydrad (1): Morgrim7
Not voting (1): 2.71828.....

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, 27th of September, at 4am

Vote count 2.5

silverspawn (3): gkrieg13, Galzria, Morgrim7
WestCoastDidds (2): silverspawn, Hydrad
Galzria (2): SpaceAnemone, DatSwan
DatSwan (1): WestCoastDidds
Not voting (3): 2.71828....., chairs, EFHW

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, 27th of September, at 4am

Vote count 2.6

silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (3): silverspawn, Hydrad, Morgrim7
Galzria (1): SpaceAnemone
Hydrad (2): 2.71828....., chairs
Not voting (3): EFHW, WestCoastDidds, DatSwan

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, 27th of September, at 4am

Vote count 2.7

silverspawn (2): gkrieg13, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (2): silverspawn, Hydrad
Galzria (2): SpaceAnemone, Morgrim7
Hydrad (3): 2.71828....., chairs, WestCoastDidds
Not voting (2): EFHW, DatSwan

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, 27th of September, at 4am. This is in 10 hours.

Vote count 2.final

WestCoastDidds (6): Hydrad, 2.71828....., gkrieg13, Galzria, silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
Galzria (1): Morgrim7
Hydrad (4): chairs, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, DatSwan

With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

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Thoughts from D2:

- I'm really just not picking up on anything D2. Everything seems so scattered, no matter what I look for in teams. Two small things that catch my eye: The first place that Chairs moves Morgrim's vote is onto Morgrim himself, where Chairs is already voting. The second place Chairs moves Morgrim's vote is onto Hydrad, where Chairs spends most of his day voting (including at deadline). This again, seems like a strong coincidence to just be random chance on Chairs part... but my follow up thought to that is... why in the world would Traitor!Chairs steal his own teammates vote? Like, that's just awful from a strategic standpoint. Note that from VC 2.5 to 2.6 Chairs moves Morgrim's vote but does NOT move his own - and he chooses NOT place Morgrim onto Hydrad's wagon with him (in what would've made Hydrad the leading wagon by 2 votes, and placed him to L-2), instead choosing to place Morgrim's vote onto me, where it stayed until the end of the day.

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Note that on Day 3, I don't know who, if anybody, had their vote controlled by Chairs, so everybody here is colored normally.

Day 3:

Vote count 3.1

EFHW (1): chairs
chairs (1): EFHW
DatSwan (1): SpaceAnemone
gkrieg13 (1): DatSwan
Not voting (3): Galzria, Hydrad, Morgrim7

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Saturday, 6th of October, at 5am

Vote count 3.2

DatSwan (1): SpaceAnemone
Galzria (1): Hydrad
gkrieg13 (1): Galzria
Not voting (4): Morgrim7, chairs, DatSwan, EFHW

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Saturday, 6th of October, at 5am

Vote count 3.3

DatSwan (1): SpaceAnemone
gkrieg13 (1): EFHW
EFHW (3): Hydrad, Galzria, DatSwan
Not voting (2): Morgrim7, chairs

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Saturday, 6th of October, at 5am. That's in 2 hours.

Vote count 3.final

DatSwan (1): SpaceAnemone
EFHW (3): Hydrad, Galzria, DatSwan
chairs (1): EFHW
Not voting (2): Morgrim7, chairs

With 8 alive, it should've taken 5 to lynch.

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Thoughts from D3:
- Morgrim never voted: Is this correct?
- One could argue that if EFHW is scum, Space is their likeliest partner, as that time of day is generally when Space is up and around, and we shouldn't have gone to no-lynch there. But it's not entirely impossible that, given the deadline, Datswan could be partnered with EFHW here. He could've been banking on a likely no lynch, with a worst case scenario of bussing his partner (when there wasn't much need to do so). Scum were easily ahead in the game at that point, and this would be the perfect setup to bus with a high-probability of not actually lynching.
- On the flip side, if EFHW is town, then scum is almost certainly messed up the chance to win the game, as either a [Swan/Space] pairing should've both been on the EFHW wagon to attempt to secure the lynch, or the same can be said of a [Hydrad/Morgrim] pairing.
-I'm really curious on the Morgrim not voting D3 thing though. That's just really, really bad if he's town.

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Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I *ALMOST* hit the
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Soooo...

Day 1 Lynch: Hydrad!Morgrim and Galz are on the wagon. Swan and Space are off. Ashes is being controlled, and not voting.

Day 2 Lynch: Hydrad, Galz, and Space are on the wagon. Swan AND EFHW are off. Morgrim is being controlled, and the only vote on Galz.

Day 3 *no*Lynch: Hydrad, Galz, Swan are trying to lynch EFHW. Space is on Swan. EFHW is on Chairs. Morgrim and Chairs are not voting. IDK what to make of this one.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1101 on: October 11, 2018, 02:44:39 am »

forgot to snip that last one sorry.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1102 on: October 11, 2018, 07:24:14 am »

I come away from Galzria's chairs analysis thinking chairs did not know who his partners were.  I also don't this assuming that he did know. "What if" is useful, but it feels like Galz forgets he is doing a what if. Same with assuming that wagons can't be all town.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1103 on: October 11, 2018, 07:25:37 am »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1104 on: October 11, 2018, 07:29:04 am »

Day 3 chairs did say he had vote-targeted e!, who had just died. It would have been safest for him to claim his real target.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1105 on: October 11, 2018, 12:57:11 pm »

Forgot to charge up my computer last night, so I'm starting this with only 53%. Will do the team pairs I can until it dies on me.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1106 on: October 11, 2018, 01:31:55 pm »

Hi all! I'm busy tonight hosting a games night (yay, Haddock's coming!), then tomorrow night I have a leaving do for a colleague, and then Sat-Sun I'm properly VLA because my a cappella group has a gig in Bruges, so we're doing an overnight trip to the continent, which is somewhat nuts, and means I'll be computerless. That means time is limited :-(

@Galz, you asked for a VC highlighting places where I disagree with the main VC, I think. I can't do that because my script doesn't parse out anything to do with the main VC. I can do a post that is every voting state through the game as it would have been counted if there were no behind-the-scenes shenanigans, though -- does that suit your needs at all?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1107 on: October 11, 2018, 03:44:12 pm »

Player: Space
Possible Pairs: {EFHW, Datswan}

D1:

Through post #403 (22/98 for Space, including pregame), Space has not interacted with either EFHW or Datswan in any meaningful way (One comment agreeing with EFHW that Silver seemed odd for focusing so much on Bart, and one comment to EFHW about the show itself). I made this my first cut point because Space did a reread on two players immediately prior to this, and stated a desire to do a reread on two others in this post - while it's all of mild value, those four players were: Chairs, Morgrim, Hydrad, Silver. This is also Space's last post for D1 (didn't realize this above when I stopped to write. :P ). The only vote that Space ever cast, for the entirety of D1, was their first post in #85 where they voted for Morgrim. The post at #403 was on September 17th, at 7:30pm FT, approximately 11 1/2 hours to deadline D1. At this point in time theirs was the only vote on Morgrim and in no way was it helping us towards a lynch. The actual hammer on Awaclus was cast on September 18th at 3:00am, 4 hours prior to deadline, and 7 1/2 hours after Space's previous post. According to Space's post at #403, deadline would've been around noon for them, so the lynch occured around 8:00am. My biggest problem with Space from D1 is simply that they did... nothing - like, at all. I'll grant that the majority of what ended up being Awaclus's lynch occured during the time that Space was most likely asleep - but even in their last post before going to bed the night before the deadline... there was no attempt at really finding scum. The only vote they cast being on Morgrim from their first post D1 just really doesn't help matters. As far as pairings go - at least from a Space-to-X view, there's nothing to match them with either Swan or EFHW.

D2:

Space was the first person to post out of the gates on D2, at #426:
Urgh, busy night. Seems reasonably likely that ash was the NK and Iguana died by targeting the wrong person while in human form. I need to read back to work out who Iguana would have been scumreading, and work out whether he'd have played to die as a way of catching scum at all anyway, especially with a randomly switching role like that.

If that leaves Ash as the NK, then it kind of points to older players who're more aware of his big meta. I don't see Ash as that big and scary a target, and I suspect others who think a bit more like me (silver, for isntance) would leave him be as scum just because he has a high chance of lying to town and self-destructing even as town.

Then there's the good old "why didn't Galz/gkrieg die?" thing. There's bound to be wifom in here somewhere along the line, though. More reading and thinking when I'm not at work...

I actually responded to this post at the time (see: #432), and what struck me as off about the entire post then still does now: At the time, there was really no reason to assume that Ash was a scum kill and Igu was a WV death. I mean, it was a possibility, sure - but so were a lot of other things. SK, Vig, PGO, etc - It simply feels off to me to instantly jump to the conclusion that Space did simply because there's evidence of the possibility that the suggested outcome occurred - without considering the potential for unknown possibilities, especially in an RMM. It felt then as it does now - that Space already knew that Ash was the NK, so quickly jumped to why they felt Igu must've died.

It also feels as if both Space's second and third statement in that quote are designed to create WIFOM - certainly there's no real measure of support to either opinion - the second of which has simply been false recently, and the first of which could be stated exactly opposite (ie. "I think the newer players are more likely to have killed Ash at night because they're afraid of the legend - whereas older players know how to deal with him"). I just felt like neither statement had any actual value in the process of helping find scum, but more than that, were designed to cast shade without any real support.

Space DOES spend a LOT of time defending Silver right out of the gates Day 2, which does suggest that Silver had in fact visited them Night 1. The problem is, I would expect Space to do this as either alignment because it would look weird to Silver if they didn't. Still, this does at least support Space's claim regarding Silver.

The majority of the middle of the day is spent talking about vote scripts and what amounted to Chairs controlling Morgrim's vote. Post #620 is Space's first (and thusfar only) interaction with or mention of Datswan... but it's a nothing post. Post #633 continue's this little "feud" between them - it could definitely be forced interaction from teammates that have realized they have no interactions thusfar:

Swan unvote was not registered.

I already posted about this, and we have confirmation from LaLight back at post #530 that the unvote was not supposed to have been missed out.

I also posted about the Ash one at #146, but if there was another one with Hydrad then I missed it.
Galz and gkrieg seem entrenched in their silver case.

I've left my "test vote" on Galz because I think he's being lazy about giving a good justification. Gkrieg is trying harder, at least, but I still don't think it's enough to go on.

I'm not saying I think silver is conf!town, but I'm saying I'm not interested in the cases on him today.

yes I know, I wasn't trying to dissolve your previous comments. I was just reading through from start to finish and posting all of it as I went.

Yeah, but it's nicer for other people if you flag your intentions up-front. To me it totally looked like you were ignoring stuff I'd said ~90 posts ago, filling the thread with a load of stuff that's purely mechanical and offers no insight or conversation to the other people in the thread, and boils down to one little post where you say "hey, here are three points where things don't make sense".

One little post saying "I found these three voting mismatches, and I wonder why Space missed the Hydrad one? Maybe they're scum together!" would have been a much better way of getting some engagement going. Flooding the thread with stuff that the conversational people aren't interested in re-reading, verifying or engaging with, in a game that's already stalling pretty badly, doesn't actually seem all that pro-town.

In #688 Space moves their vote from me to Hydrad, while noting that they preferred to lynch Morgrim, me, or Gkrieg. In #786 Space moved from Hydrad to WCD to help get the lynch through.

D2 is where I first really started to feel like Space was scum, and was definitely where I was going to pull much of my case on them from when I was talking about it D3 prior to claims. Space and I simply read the game state completely differently day 2. I thought that it was naive of Space not to consider other options regarding the N1 deaths, Space thought it was presumptuous of me to believe that there might be without any evidence. I felt that, given Morgrim's posts, there was enough evidence there to support a case on Silver being scum - Space felt that, given their knowledge that Silver visited them Night 1, my evidence was circumstantial at best, and unsupported directly by Morgrim himself. Space wanted to lynch me, and the people I read as town, while they defended the person that I wanted to lynch, and the people I thought were scum. We were about as polar opposite as you can get on Day 2. As far as interactions go, Space continues to have next to nothing in regards to interactions with EFHW, and the interactions that they have with Datswan D2 are extremely limited - although the nitpick points of contention between the two definitely feel like they could be a forced interaction.

D3:

Space opens in #808 by claiming that Silver had visited them N1, which explains their read on Silver for all of D2. It still bothers me that there's no breadcrumb from Silver to support this - especially after Silver made such a big deal about Iguana NOT leaving a breadcrumb on D1. But if you re-read D2 from Space it does SEEM like Space's assertion that Silver visited them is accurate.

In #809, Space continues to attack my case on Silver by misrepresenting what I had said - I never claimed it was based on Morgrim having Tracker evidence, I had said that I suspected Morgrim of having *some form of cop like results*, which could be, but wasn't limited to: Tracker, Watcher, Cop, etc. Space claims that my speculation was "totally unfounded", and yet I would still argue that anybody reading Morgrim from D2, knowing that they had claimed SOME form of "Detective" would read his posts to STRONGLY suggest they had a result on Silver.

By this point I had been feeling like Space was going out of their way to discredit me, and had been since the very beginning of day 2 when they opened with what was essentially the WIFOM suggesting it was weird that I wasn't yet dead. It felt like they had decided on an agenda to get me lynched, and they were going to push it regardless of the cases/evidence of what I was saying. I'll fully admit that I was wrong about Morgrim having a result on Silver Day 2 - but I do not feel that I was at all wrong in reading Morgrim as telegraphing that he did, and moreover, given the limited amount of information that we had to work with up to that point, I don't think it was at all wrong of me to find this sort of evidence compelling enough to push a case. In #822, Space continues to frame the pushing of the cases on Silver as scummy, saying that Gkrieg and I had been on a "Witch Hunt" to get Silver lynched.

D3 continues with EFHW finding the "breadcrumb" from Silver on Datswan, and in #847 Space jumps on it:
I think the breadcrumb that EFHW posted is very plausible, so my test vote can be Vote: Datswan :-)

Between #847 & #901, Space makes 6 different posts talking about the breadcrumb that Silver left that implicate Swan as scum. While I agree very much with the strength of the breadcrumb (as far as breadcrumbs go), I find it very off-putting that Space wants to put so much weight in this crumb, but cannot show where Silver made a similar crumb about Space on D1 - I mean, in a vacuum, sure, this is great. But I find it difficult to find the argument that "Silver said he would leave great breadcrumbs, and here's a great breadcrumb, so Swan must be Swan. Also, he targeted me Night 1, and you all will just have to believe me because Silver didn't breadcrumb it" to be credible. I'm just left feeling like Space will call things out when they're convenient for them, and ignore things when they aren't - something that strikes me as a particularly scummy trait. WITH that said, I do feel like this makes a Space/Swan pairing a little LESS likely, unless Space felt really compelled to push this argument against their partner - which would only be the case if they felt the evidence was completely damning. Maybe they did? I dunno. But to me it takes away from this potential pairing.

DatSwan
EFHW
Space
gkrieg
chairs
Galz

I find the ordering quite funny, because my leading hypothesis at the moment is that Swan and Galz are scumbuddies... it's so uncharacteristic of Swan not to be super-suspicious of Galz, and we have a breadcrumb from a dead WV on Swan. And then there's Galz's awful silver case, which he built on top of allegedly reading incorrectly into Morgrim's posts.. If Galz is that great at reading the finer details, why was he missing all my "it's not silver" subtext at the same time? I think he was looking to build a mislynch case, rather than trying to read into the game that subtly. And why is Galz not engaging with the breadcrumb conversation?

At least Morgrim and I agree that Swan is looking scummy. If I were dictating the order, I'd suggest something more along the lines of:

Swan
Galz
chairs
gkrieg
EFHW
Space
Morgrim
Hydrad

As it is, masons, do you have daychat? If so, I think you should be debating this in your own QT, then presenting town with a finished list, rather than musing openly in here.

Responding to the bold above (which I never did at the time, but was planning on it when making the case against Space): Because there was no evidence, circumstantial or not, to support your read on Silver! Day 2 was essentially (Me): "Here's all these posts from a claimed Detective suspecting Silver - so I'm going to go out on a limb and say he probably has result implicating Silver but doesn't want to fully out himself so he's not full claiming at this time". (You): "No, you're wrong, Silver is town". It was your word/read against a claimed detective that was beating the same drum the entire day! I had far more reason to trust Morgrim than to trust you!

In #938 & #941 Space tries slightly to distance themselves from harping about the breadcrumb implicating Swan as scum - making sure it's noted that EFHW is the one that found the crumb, not them. But as I noted above, while that may be true, Space definitely jumped on and pushed the breadcrumb. These two things combined though (Space pushing it first, and then trying to distance themselves after) definitely leave me feeling like the [Space/Swan] team is less likely. If they were partners, then either Space wouldn't have pushed the crumb at all, trying to avoid a Swan lynch, or they would've wanted to make sure they got credit for it later if Swan DID get lynched. This makes any potential scum team here most likely to be [Space/EFHW].

In #955 Space claims Dirk, which is when/where I decided NOT to push a case against them yesterday (despite the massive AtE that they open the post with). When I was Samurai Jack in the game of the same name, I felt that claiming the titular character D1 would make it extremely unlikely that I was fake-claiming (and I wasn't - I was SJ, and was town). While this isn't a D1 claim, it's the first claim based off Morgrim's ordering - and either Space was given Dirk as a fakeclaim, and they know Dirk isn't in the game (possible), or they are town and telling the truth. Given that we hadn't had/seen any scum death's at this point, it seemed reasonable to remove Space from the lynch pool yesterday based simply on their flavor claim.

Most of the rest of Space's day consists of talking about the claims and asking questions about how exactly powers work - something I would expect from both town and scum. Space concludes that their biggest two scum reads after the claims are Chairs and Datswan (#995).

Space's last post was on October 5th at 7:21pm FT, which is consistent with when they usually go to sleep. Deadline was on October 6th at 5:00am FT - which was 9 1/2 hours after Space posted. That would've been around 10:00am FT for Space. EFHW was by far the likeliest candidate to get lynched at that point (sitting at 3 votes) - while I cannot hold Space solely responsible for the fact that we went to no lynch (especially as EFHW still needed TWO votes to lynch), it is odd that Space didn't even check in knowing we were this close to deadline.

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And that's about all I have for now. I'm down to 13% so won't get to Datswan/EFHW until later today. To conclude on the reread though, I do definitely see things that point towards Space potentially being scum. If they ARE scum, I feel like the their partner is much more likely to be EFHW and not Datswan. There are almost no interactions with EFHW on D1 or D2, and while there are a few mentions of / interactions with EFHW on D3, they're mostly to agree with things EFHW has said - they aren't really engaging with EFHW. Combined with Space's absence at deadline yesterday when EFHW was the most likely lynch, I could definitely see this pair being possible. I feel like if the pair were [Space/Swan] then Space definitely would've found the time to log in and vote for EFHW before deadline yesterday.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1108 on: October 11, 2018, 07:56:44 pm »

Maybe I've been too careless, but I thought that given I'm the titular character, which I left a breadcrumb for early on, then I was going to be able to IC myself without too much difficulty. My power itself is pretty useless, so I kind of took the pseudo-IC-ness to be a useful part of my role. I don't think I'd have had the confidence to do stuff like attempt to dictate the order that claims should go in if I wasn't feeling that I've been pretty darn townie :-P

In response to a few things Galz has said:
Deadlines: have been painful for me this game, because I'm entirely a night owl. I wake around 9am typically (on a weekday; later on a weekend given the chance), but I'm not functional till later in the day, so thinking to check in is rare unless I'm so invested that it actually negatively impacts my sleep so that I wake early and have to suffer the rest of the day tired, which I hate, so I try to avoid needing to do that. Usually I'm here around 10pm-midnight, though at times like now it gets later than that.

D1: I was legitimately busy and not really engaging with a lot, and I struggle with D1s more than later play anyway. You may well be right that I didn't engage with Swan or EFHW, but did I really engage with all of other players that much more?

I don't recall exactly when my suspicions of Galz happened, but my notes from D2 say "Swan hasn't been complaining about/being suspicious of Galz. I think that means both he and Galz are scum." Coming from that standpoint, his claim to have "found" a way by reading Morgrim that meant that he thought he had a strong silver case, while not reading the same amount into anything I was saying really did feel off. I mean, I'm using the past tense here only because I can't see Farah not being in the game, and I do think the claimed protective role makes a lot of sense with the number of possible deaths. Otherwise, I think it's a terrible idea to base pretty much an entire case off someone else's careless posts, and then not at least pause to reconsider when that person failed to show up. To me it just looked too much like Morgrim (my scum read from D1) and Galz were colluding to mislynch silver. Sorry if you see it differently, but that was my honest read of the situation.

Galz's re-read of my does rather miss the point that I didn't collaborate lynch the actual townie I thought wasn't super-scummy, and did correctly lynch the third-party person who even the mafia (and whatever traitors etc we have) couldn't have known wasn't town, so my actions were pro-town.

As for the no-lynch, I took my eye off the ball there. Nobody was posting about how close the deadline was.. I'd posted early in the day from work, and then there had only been about 20 posts from the rest of you the whole day before I came back in here late at night. I still had a lot of questions about how the various roles could work (like whether EFHW could target gkreig to find out if he was secretly female and therefore our Bart candidate), and I just hadn't noticed when I went to bed that I wasn't going to get a chance to digest the answers to those questions and move my vote. It was 11am my time, but it was a weekend, and I was sorely in need of some sleep and relaxation after a very heavy week, so I didn't even set an alarm. I was quite miffed when I realised it was a no-lynch given that I was sitting on a perfectly good lynch target all the way through, but I got over it by the time we started D4.

Last thing before sleep: the silver breadcrumb. I don't know why he didn't breadcrumb me D1, but it's not the most un-silver-like thing to realise he'd not played optimally, to regret that, and then to broadcast the correct way to play back into the game, like him schooling us all on what he should have done! That was my internal explanation for it during D2, especially after his obvious crumb was exposed. That breadcrumb is just so much exactly what he said he'd do, and so obviously deliberate in retrospect. So even if you think I might be scummy, why are you ignoring what conf!town!silver did? I mean, yes, there might be redirects in play -- and there needs to be something like that to explain the masons' weird results -- but if you're letting Swan off the hook for that, then also consider that silver may have breadcrumbed someone else D1 and been redirected onto me, but nobody else is claiming to have been targeted, and he's still alive, meaning that it should still make you consider that he targeted me, since scum trying to make up that they'd received a WV when there was only a low chance of it having happened seems far-fetched, especially so early in the game, and especially if that scum is me, who you know is a don't-take-risks sort of scum player at best.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1109 on: October 11, 2018, 09:22:11 pm »

Space, still from phone so not doing more than just responding -

Please don’t take my post on you to mean that I think you are the best candidate to lynch today to find scum. I hope to do a equal  evaluation of everybody, and for this exercise I am intentionally being unfair towards my rereads, as I’m looking for the most likely scum narrative and the most likely scum teams. This does not mean that I think you must be scum, simply that I see a narrative where you and EFHW could be partners. You just happened to be first on my reread, but please be assured you won’t be alone, and I’m not out to criminalize you specifically.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #1110 on: October 12, 2018, 08:39:32 am »

Vote count 4.2

Morgrim7 (1): DatSwan
Galzria (1): Galzria
Not voting (4): SpaceAnemone, EFHW, Hydrad, Morgrim7

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends Monday, 15th of October, at 11am.
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« Reply #1111 on: October 12, 2018, 08:42:12 am »

Vote count 4.2

Morgrim7 (1): DatSwan
Galzria (1): Galzria
Not voting (4): SpaceAnemone, EFHW, Hydrad, Morgrim7

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends Monday, 15th of October, at 11am.

So being more aware this time. We might have to lynch on the weekend or early Monday so we can't leave it supernlast minute   
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1112 on: October 12, 2018, 04:41:31 pm »

Galz and i will also be a little VLA at a company conference starting tomorrow evening.

We could ask for a day extension?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1113 on: October 12, 2018, 11:27:26 pm »

Galz and i will also be a little VLA at a company conference starting tomorrow evening.

We could ask for a day extension?

This is true, and I wouldn’t be opposed to an extension. That said, I plan on trying to finish my rereads and posts while on the plane tomorrow, and should be feeling confident enough to place my vote by Sunday morning.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1114 on: October 13, 2018, 04:08:11 am »

OK - Pretty much the last case I can make here:

1) Galz/Space - I do not think either of you are skum. However, I am as certain as I can be based on game mechanics, that both of you are not. So this should speak to at least one of you. From either of your "Town POVs" the possible teams have to be either [Swan!EFHW, Swan!Space, Swan!Galz, EFHW!Space, EFHW!Galz, Hydrad!Morgrim].
So it is either EFHW and me, the other of you and me, or the other of you and EFHW.

Points for Space/Galz to consider:
- If it is EFHW!Swan, why are both of you alive?
- Do you find it more likely it is either Swan or EFHW with the other of you, then the masons?


2) EFHW - I also do not think you are skum. Whether you are or not, we both know to 100% certainty that we are not both skum. If you are town and are choosing between Swan!Space and Swan!Galz, I see how I would be the obvious choice for you. So I would press you to look at the game as it has been played.

Points to EFHW:
- Do you think it is more likely Swan!Space or Swan!Galz instead of the masons?
- If I am skum with either Galz or Space, why are all the masons alive?


3) Masons - You are skum. Playing well.. but still skum.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1115 on: October 13, 2018, 11:14:25 am »

Definitely swan/galz is more likely, since you gave a result in Galz's favor.

The masons are most likely still alive for several reasons. 1. Scum were looking for the traitor. 2. Scum needed to eliminate the vig. 3. These masons aren't very active players or very aggressive scumhunters, so they are lower priority targets. 4. The masons could provide a mislynch for scum.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1116 on: October 13, 2018, 11:25:05 am »

I'm  not sure I interpreted your question correctly. If you meant why are masons less likely to be scum than you paired with Space or Galz, it's because I feel your case on them was scummy.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1117 on: October 13, 2018, 02:55:39 pm »

Definitely swan/galz is more likely, since you gave a result in Galz's favor.

The masons are most likely still alive for several reasons. 1. Scum were looking for the traitor. 2. Scum needed to eliminate the vig. 3. These masons aren't very active players or very aggressive scumhunters, so they are lower priority targets. 4. The masons could provide a mislynch for scum.

Fair enough - i would like to point out the only potential skum team possible that REALLY would care about GKs shot would be the masons... everyone else would still have 1 alive if GK shot them
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« Reply #1118 on: October 13, 2018, 02:57:33 pm »

Psychic vampire - Every night you may target a player. If the target is Universe-Aligned, you will be informed you have absorbed their energy. If the target is not Universe-Aligned, you will die. If you do not absorb another player's energy at night, you will die the following night.

What is the basis of your townread on Galzria?

DatSwan - Why are you alive?

I don’t get it? I am alive bc i am alive and my Town read on Galz is because i visited n2 and i didn’t die.

So did you visit anyone last night?

Yeah I did... I targeted chairs and I got the confirmation that I absorbed energy... so not really sure what to make of that. I was dead wrong on my read. I was fairly certain given the just my overall reads of the situation that it was gonna end up being EFHW and GK. Obviously I was wrong.

My line of reasoning for my choice actually leads me into a larger point so I am going to put it in a next post.


PPE: the next post is kind of what space just pointed out.

Umm... why is Swan alive?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1119 on: October 13, 2018, 04:04:36 pm »

Definitely swan/galz is more likely, since you gave a result in Galz's favor.

The masons are most likely still alive for several reasons. 1. Scum were looking for the traitor. 2. Scum needed to eliminate the vig. 3. These masons aren't very active players or very aggressive scumhunters, so they are lower priority targets. 4. The masons could provide a mislynch for scum.

Fair enough - i would like to point out the only potential skum team possible that REALLY would care about GKs shot would be the masons... everyone else would still have 1 alive if GK shot them

Not following you here. Or maybe I get it. You mean because if one is revealed the other is as well? At first I thought you were suggesting scum lovers!
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1120 on: October 13, 2018, 04:06:14 pm »

Psychic vampire - Every night you may target a player. If the target is Universe-Aligned, you will be informed you have absorbed their energy. If the target is not Universe-Aligned, you will die. If you do not absorb another player's energy at night, you will die the following night.

What is the basis of your townread on Galzria?

DatSwan - Why are you alive?

I don’t get it? I am alive bc i am alive and my Town read on Galz is because i visited n2 and i didn’t die.

So did you visit anyone last night?

Yeah I did... I targeted chairs and I got the confirmation that I absorbed energy... so not really sure what to make of that. I was dead wrong on my read. I was fairly certain given the just my overall reads of the situation that it was gonna end up being EFHW and GK. Obviously I was wrong.

My line of reasoning for my choice actually leads me into a larger point so I am going to put it in a next post.


PPE: the next post is kind of what space just pointed out.

Umm... why is Swan alive?
That is a really good question!
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1121 on: October 13, 2018, 08:13:27 pm »

Psychic vampire - Every night you may target a player. If the target is Universe-Aligned, you will be informed you have absorbed their energy. If the target is not Universe-Aligned, you will die. If you do not absorb another player's energy at night, you will die the following night.

What is the basis of your townread on Galzria?

DatSwan - Why are you alive?

I don’t get it? I am alive bc i am alive and my Town read on Galz is because i visited n2 and i didn’t die.

So did you visit anyone last night?

Yeah I did... I targeted chairs and I got the confirmation that I absorbed energy... so not really sure what to make of that. I was dead wrong on my read. I was fairly certain given the just my overall reads of the situation that it was gonna end up being EFHW and GK. Obviously I was wrong.

My line of reasoning for my choice actually leads me into a larger point so I am going to put it in a next post.


PPE: the next post is kind of what space just pointed out.

Umm... why is Swan alive?

I addressed this at the begining of the day - i don’t know. Posted the weirdness of it at the beginning of the day.
Are you just now reading to that point of the game?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1122 on: October 13, 2018, 10:10:45 pm »

Psychic vampire - Every night you may target a player. If the target is Universe-Aligned, you will be informed you have absorbed their energy. If the target is not Universe-Aligned, you will die. If you do not absorb another player's energy at night, you will die the following night.

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DatSwan - Why are you alive?

I don’t get it? I am alive bc i am alive and my Town read on Galz is because i visited n2 and i didn’t die.

So did you visit anyone last night?

Yeah I did... I targeted chairs and I got the confirmation that I absorbed energy... so not really sure what to make of that. I was dead wrong on my read. I was fairly certain given the just my overall reads of the situation that it was gonna end up being EFHW and GK. Obviously I was wrong.

My line of reasoning for my choice actually leads me into a larger point so I am going to put it in a next post.


PPE: the next post is kind of what space just pointed out.

Umm... why is Swan alive?

I addressed this at the begining of the day - i don’t know. Posted the weirdness of it at the beginning of the day.
Are you just now reading to that point of the game?

I fail to see where you covered that...
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1123 on: October 14, 2018, 12:10:13 am »

So... what I’m seeing is...:

Silver breadcrumbs Swan, and Silver dies... and Swan can’t explain why.
Swan claims to have targeted Chairs, but is alive, even though he should be dead... and Swan can’t explain why.

It’s possible that scum have a redirect, sure. But they would’ve needed to play both nights perfectly to explain this situation: N2 redirecting Silver from Swan onto themselves, and N3 redirecting Swan from Chairs onto town - and that’s assuming they wouldn’t just redirect Swan onto themselves to activate his weak visitor modifier.

It seems to me the more likely scenario here is that Swan is lying scum, who couldn’t die by targeting Chairs last night because that isn’t actually his role, and he inadvertently killed Silver N2 when Silver choose to target him.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1124 on: October 14, 2018, 12:14:51 am »

This would most likely make EFHW his partner (as I find it more or less unlikely that a claimed Dirk is scum, and I don’t think Space’s interactions suggest that they’re partnered with Swan). This would make Swan’s vote on EFHW yesterday a gambit in which Swan was banking on the low activity to result in a no lynch - and would explain why he kept trying to redirect to Chairs (whose alignment I believe was unknown to him) and Gkrieg.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1125 on: October 14, 2018, 12:18:17 am »

I think that barring much else, I would like to lynch Swan here. I would be ok lynching EFHW instead, and I will not lynch the Masons. I do not see a world where a Morgrim/Hydrad scum team play out their claims the way they did.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1126 on: October 14, 2018, 12:39:43 am »

vote: Datswan
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1127 on: October 14, 2018, 01:07:27 am »

Vote: datswan

I honestly don't see my vote changing today so i'm just putting it here.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1128 on: October 14, 2018, 05:45:11 am »

So... what I’m seeing is...:

Silver breadcrumbs Swan, and Silver dies... and Swan can’t explain why.
Swan claims to have targeted Chairs, but is alive, even though he should be dead... and Swan can’t explain why.

It’s possible that scum have a redirect, sure. But they would’ve needed to play both nights perfectly to explain this situation: N2 redirecting Silver from Swan onto themselves, and N3 redirecting Swan from Chairs onto town - and that’s assuming they wouldn’t just redirect Swan onto themselves to activate his weak visitor modifier.

It seems to me the more likely scenario here is that Swan is lying scum, who couldn’t die by targeting Chairs last night because that isn’t actually his role, and he inadvertently killed Silver N2 when Silver choose to target him.

Lol that’s a stretch? Who would i put myself in that situation as skum? I could of just claimed GK and got universe aligned as result (or if i were skum i would 100% know town so i guess i could of claimed anyone if that were the case)

And me “covering it” was me saying “Idk how it happened” didn’t say i had an explanation. You forcing this is lazy and poor town play. 
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1129 on: October 14, 2018, 06:09:28 am »

So... what I’m seeing is...:

Silver breadcrumbs Swan, and Silver dies... and Swan can’t explain why.
Swan claims to have targeted Chairs, but is alive, even though he should be dead... and Swan can’t explain why.

It’s possible that scum have a redirect, sure. But they would’ve needed to play both nights perfectly to explain this situation: N2 redirecting Silver from Swan onto themselves, and N3 redirecting Swan from Chairs onto town - and that’s assuming they wouldn’t just redirect Swan onto themselves to activate his weak visitor modifier.

It seems to me the more likely scenario here is that Swan is lying scum, who couldn’t die by targeting Chairs last night because that isn’t actually his role, and he inadvertently killed Silver N2 when Silver choose to target him.

Lol that’s a stretch? Who would i put myself in that situation as skum? I could of just claimed GK and got universe aligned as result (or if i were skum i would 100% know town so i guess i could of claimed anyone if that were the case)

And me “covering it” was me saying “Idk how it happened” didn’t say i had an explanation. You forcing this is lazy and poor town play.

You didn’t want to claim Gkrieg because it would look WAY too suspicious as he must have been the scum kill (only logical explanation). You didn’t want to claim any other random townie (Space, masons) because you didn’t want to create additional IC’s. This is especially true for the Masons as it would’ve confirmed both of them - something, by the way, town!swan would’ve wanted to do. And you were fine claiming Chairs because you already knew that the story you had to spin to succeed was that there is a redirector - as that’s the story you’re using for why Silver died targeting you.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1130 on: October 14, 2018, 06:10:53 am »

You could have, conceivably, claimed your scum partner EFHW - but if either of you got lynched today it would be instant game over.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1131 on: October 14, 2018, 06:34:52 am »

So... what I’m seeing is...:

Silver breadcrumbs Swan, and Silver dies... and Swan can’t explain why.
Swan claims to have targeted Chairs, but is alive, even though he should be dead... and Swan can’t explain why.

It’s possible that scum have a redirect, sure. But they would’ve needed to play both nights perfectly to explain this situation: N2 redirecting Silver from Swan onto themselves, and N3 redirecting Swan from Chairs onto town - and that’s assuming they wouldn’t just redirect Swan onto themselves to activate his weak visitor modifier.

It seems to me the more likely scenario here is that Swan is lying scum, who couldn’t die by targeting Chairs last night because that isn’t actually his role, and he inadvertently killed Silver N2 when Silver choose to target him.

Lol that’s a stretch? Who would i put myself in that situation as skum? I could of just claimed GK and got universe aligned as result (or if i were skum i would 100% know town so i guess i could of claimed anyone if that were the case)

And me “covering it” was me saying “Idk how it happened” didn’t say i had an explanation. You forcing this is lazy and poor town play.

You didn’t want to claim Gkrieg because it would look WAY too suspicious as he must have been the scum kill (only logical explanation). You didn’t want to claim any other random townie (Space, masons) because you didn’t want to create additional IC’s. This is especially true for the Masons as it would’ve confirmed both of them - something, by the way, town!swan would’ve wanted to do. And you were fine claiming Chairs because you already knew that the story you had to spin to succeed was that there is a redirector - as that’s the story you’re using for why Silver died targeting you.

Any Swan would never of targeted the masons. As i mentioned yesterday - i didn’t believe them all that much. I assumed if i targeted one of them i would not be alive the next day and at that point the only person that was safe from potentially being my target would of been you.

Point is, if i thought it would IC them... i would of done it. But i didn’t think it would ic them.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1132 on: October 14, 2018, 06:43:08 am »

You could have, conceivably, claimed your scum partner EFHW - but if either of you got lynched today it would be instant game over.

Yeah i could of done a lot of stuff.
I actually did consider efhw, but ended on chairs bc i thought them the towniest of the GK/Chairs/EFHW.

But whatever. What’s more interesting your attack on me. Also this time. Kind of like you had it ready the whole time and waited until now when there is no time to talk... Just enough time for you to make a weak case and win... but then again i can’t get over the fact that i think the masons have to be the skum so idk i guess.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1133 on: October 14, 2018, 07:31:15 am »

I'm good with vote: DatSwan.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #1134 on: October 14, 2018, 07:40:37 am »

Vote count 4.2

Morgrim7 (1): DatSwan
Galzria (1): Galzria
Not voting (4): SpaceAnemone, EFHW, Hydrad, Morgrim7

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends Monday, 15th of October, at 11am.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1135 on: October 14, 2018, 07:42:42 am »

Forgot to hold my question
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1136 on: October 14, 2018, 12:01:58 pm »

vote: datswan just in case
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1137 on: October 14, 2018, 12:25:38 pm »

Well unless Town is controlling a vote mechanic somehow that’s probably game over...
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1138 on: October 14, 2018, 12:33:56 pm »

Also space is not skum. Dunno if that is gonna end up mattering or not...
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1139 on: October 14, 2018, 01:42:22 pm »

Reading on my phone on a too-small screen risking car sickness to catch up but realising it may not really be necessary if that might have been a hammer. Will come back to it in an hour or two once I'm home if the day's still going.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1140 on: October 14, 2018, 02:09:56 pm »

Well Space if you get back plz hold potential hammer lif needed until after VC. I got something but I’m on phone right now. Not crazy detrimental but it could help.
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« Reply #1141 on: October 14, 2018, 03:21:03 pm »

Well Space if you get back plz hold potential hammer lif needed until after VC. I got something but I’m on phone right now. Not crazy detrimental but it could help.

I'm home now. In desperate need of sleep, so the plan is to turn off my computer before 18.00 forum time.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1142 on: October 14, 2018, 05:46:04 pm »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N1)
« Reply #1143 on: October 14, 2018, 05:46:30 pm »

Vote count 4.final

Morgrim7 (1): DatSwan
DatSwan (4): Galzria, Hydrad, EFHW, Morgrim7
Not voting (1): SpaceAnemone

With 6 alive, it took 4 to lynch.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1144 on: October 14, 2018, 05:49:38 pm »

No time for flavor. Sorry for that.

DatSwan was lynched. They were Bart Curlish, the [REDACTED] Holistic Assassin. His role was as follows:

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Your abilities:

That's what I do, I kill people: Each night you may target a player to kill. Your kill will break through one layer of protection.
See? Nothing can hurt me: You are Bulletproof. Any killing action targeting you will fail as long as [REDACTED]

[REDACTED]

Your fakeclaim is [REDACTED]


Night 4 starts now and ends in 48 hours, Wednesday, 17th of October, at 5.45 pm.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D4)
« Reply #1145 on: October 16, 2018, 12:01:45 pm »

Sorry for some mess-ups with ending, I unexpectedly is on a conference.

The team of Galzria, EFHW and chairs, who were Gordon-Aligned team, wins!

In a couple of days I'll post my thoughts on a game, now feel free to share your QTS and thoughts as well :)

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1146 on: October 16, 2018, 12:03:26 pm »

Unfortunately I can't post any QTs, I don't have an access to quicktopic atm
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1147 on: October 16, 2018, 12:18:47 pm »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1148 on: October 16, 2018, 01:17:24 pm »

Damn I was hoping EFHW would not be scum. That's some towny scum play there.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1149 on: October 16, 2018, 02:12:56 pm »

Duh Galz was scum.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1150 on: October 16, 2018, 03:52:41 pm »

Duh Galz was scum.
I still don't get how his continued survival wasn't a complete giveaway.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1151 on: October 16, 2018, 05:49:53 pm »

Yeah he claimed a powerful doctor, no one else could have protected him, and he didnt die
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1152 on: October 16, 2018, 09:33:31 pm »

Duh Galz was scum.
I still don't get how his continued survival wasn't a complete giveaway.

Only the final day I think, because...

Yeah he claimed a powerful doctor, no one else could have protected him, and he didnt die

Kinda, yeah.

This game was really fun, but also quite stressful. EFHW and I took full advantage of daychat, which at times made us less prevalent in the thread - but it also meant we could fret over every little thing.

I want to say I feel town was too weak here, but someone with more balancing experience can speak to that.

I was really pleased with my fake claim though - it really played into the weaknesses of town as a counter balance.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1153 on: October 16, 2018, 10:14:29 pm »

I'm so happy about this win. I wish I had been a vital part of it :|

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1154 on: October 16, 2018, 10:15:18 pm »

I agree we were a bit too strong. I thought day chat made it much less stressful than usual, and more fun.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1155 on: October 16, 2018, 10:15:53 pm »

I'm so happy about this win. I wish I had been a vital part of it :|
Did you leave us any breadcrumbs? Did you know who we were?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1156 on: October 16, 2018, 10:17:32 pm »

The thing about DatSwan quoting is pretty funny. I noticed it and wondered why he wasn't punished, but I didn't want to draw attention to it in case he was the traitor!
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1157 on: October 16, 2018, 10:20:08 pm »

I also think there weren't enough town players. 5 people were non-town aligned.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1158 on: October 16, 2018, 10:21:22 pm »

Damn I was hoping EFHW would not be scum. That's some towny scum play there.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1159 on: October 17, 2018, 01:23:11 pm »

I'm so happy about this win. I wish I had been a vital part of it :|
Did you leave us any breadcrumbs? Did you know who we were?

I didn’t know who you were, and I had actually decided on n0 to try not to breadcrumb if possible.

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« Reply #1160 on: October 17, 2018, 04:49:37 pm »

Thanks for creating the set-up, LL!! I had fun, even though I think I made mistakes just because I couldn't believe town would be as weak as maybe it was :-P

I still have to go back and look in the QTs to see if everything that happened really did make sense, and what roles really were out there.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1161 on: October 17, 2018, 04:49:47 pm »

Duh Galz was scum.
I still don't get how his continued survival wasn't a complete giveaway.

It seemed like a totally plausible claim because townies were dropping like flies, and because Farah is the best character, so clearly should have been out there :-P When Chairs flipped, the earlier NK targets looked like they were explained by scum looking for their trator.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1162 on: October 17, 2018, 04:53:11 pm »

So I forgot to breadcrumb day 1 and tried to correct that day 2 with the thing space correctly noticed. It seemed very blatant to me.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1163 on: October 17, 2018, 05:59:17 pm »

I'm frustrated that I let myself get so duped by Galz's fakeclaim, because I have been correctly scurmreading him for his manufactured silver case beforehand.

I even picked the wrong pair to try role-blocking in my QT for the final night.. it looked like a choice between the masons or one/both of Galz+EFHW, and I went with targeting Hydrad... I commented that if it was Galz and EFHW it was probably unwinnable anyway.

I don't get why the masons were so sure I was scummy, or why people were expecting me to post more vote count stuff in a game where my auto-counter was not able to keep up with voting weirdness and the count if could show me just didn't say much -- which is understandable given that only one pair of scums actually knew who the other was. Interesting that gkrieg said in the speccy that I wasn't doing my town tell... I thought I was being quite townie!
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1164 on: October 17, 2018, 06:03:40 pm »

So I forgot to breadcrumb day 1 and tried to correct that day 2 with the thing space correctly noticed. It seemed very blatant to me.
I couldn't find it.  But if I had, I wouldn't have said anything.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1165 on: October 21, 2018, 01:36:04 am »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1166 on: October 21, 2018, 04:10:59 am »

Still needs an MVP.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1167 on: October 21, 2018, 04:38:15 am »

Still needs an MVP.

I will make the post tomorrow.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1168 on: October 25, 2018, 07:51:13 am »

Galzria is MVP!
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (Game Over!)
« Reply #1169 on: April 15, 2021, 03:39:13 am »

God this game was unbalanced, chaotic and fun. Wouldn't have changed a thing
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