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[LaLight]

I somehow scumread all of you, it’s a shame i’m not a doublevoter. Except maybe Hydrad and DatSwan

[infangthief]

Agreed DatSwan seems fairly townie at the moment.
unvote: DatSwan

[LaLight]

Agreed DatSwan seems fairly townie at the moment.
unvote: DatSwan

I like how you're Thief and infangthief. Also you can just say unvote and this will count

vote: chairs

[infangthief]

Hydrad: Voted for Awaclus, clearly Town because voting for Awaclus is always Town.

Chairs, please could you expand on this? Meta reasoning, or wagon incitement?

It is a meta reasoning. There is a history of Town people voting for Awaclus all the time because of his playstyle

Thanks, but I would still like to hear from chairs on the matter.
As far as I can see, chairs, you have given a green light to anyone wanting to jump on a wagon (2 votes at that stage, with no reasonable argument at that point), and then you yourself joined the wagon as the 5th vote (L-1).

[infangthief]

Agreed DatSwan seems fairly townie at the moment.
unvote: DatSwan

I like how you're Thief and infangthief. Also you can just say unvote and this will count

vote: chairs

It took me quite a while there to work out why you wrote "vote: chairs" when you were already on him. Makes sense now.

[LaLight]

Agreed DatSwan seems fairly townie at the moment.
unvote: DatSwan

I like how you're Thief and infangthief. Also you can just say unvote and this will count

vote: chairs

It took me quite a while there to work out why you wrote "vote: chairs" when you were already on him. Makes sense now.

You're now on him as well (though I take it as intentional)

[infangthief]

Agreed DatSwan seems fairly townie at the moment.
unvote: DatSwan

I like how you're Thief and infangthief. Also you can just say unvote and this will count

vote: chairs

It took me quite a while there to work out why you wrote "vote: chairs" when you were already on him. Makes sense now.

You're now on him as well (though I take it as intentional)

Yes, thoroughly intentional, I think that puts him on 3 votes.

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.3

Awaclus (5): Uncleeurope, Hydrad, hypercube, DatSwan, chairs
Xxraptorslayer96 (1): Awaclus
chairs (3): WestCoastDidds, LaLight, infangthief

Not Voting (1): Xxraptorslayer96

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Sep 10, 18:00 forum time. That is in 4 days and 12+ hours.

[LaLight]

I am torn between thinking chairs is 100% scum, WCD is 100% scum and Eddie is 100% scum.

[LaLight]

in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc

[LaLight]

DS can I sheep you please (not right now though)

[LaLight]

infang and hypercube are null, Awaclus is null-a little scummy, DS and Hydrad are on a townie side

[LaLight]

infangthief, is it ok to call you infang?

[Uncleeurope]

I'm alarmed at how quickly we've reached L-1. Especially as the first two votes on the Awaclus wagon were pretty random.

Hydrad and UncleEurope, please could you either give a reason for keeping your vote on Awaclus, or else unvote?

Unvote

My vote was meant as a joke (clearly) and has no bearing on the game state currently, I need to reread everything before someone dies unjustly.

Gimmee a bit to get a post together.

[infangthief]

infangthief, is it ok to call you infang?

I guess so. (Bang goes my cunning plan that no-one would ever vote for a name that's hard to shorten...).
So it seems this time of forum-day is when you and I are awake and everyone else (presumably in the US?) is asleep.
I'm going to make one more post, on the doctor plan theory, then I'm going to try and shut up and wait for some responses from the other folk.

PPE: 1 (is that how I say that I typed this before Uncleeurope's post and haven't gone back to edit it after?)

[LaLight]

infangthief, is it ok to call you infang?

I guess so. (Bang goes my cunning plan that no-one would ever vote for a name that's hard to shorten...).
So it seems this time of forum-day is when you and I are awake and everyone else (presumably in the US?) is asleep.
I'm going to make one more post, on the doctor plan theory, then I'm going to try and shut up and wait for some responses from the other folk.

PPE: 1 (is that how I say that I typed this before Uncleeurope's post and haven't gone back to edit it after?)

yeah, I am used to being easter than anyone else

[LaLight]

infangthief, is it ok to call you infang?

I guess so. (Bang goes my cunning plan that no-one would ever vote for a name that's hard to shorten...).
So it seems this time of forum-day is when you and I are awake and everyone else (presumably in the US?) is asleep.
I'm going to make one more post, on the doctor plan theory, then I'm going to try and shut up and wait for some responses from the other folk.

PPE: 1 (is that how I say that I typed this before Uncleeurope's post and haven't gone back to edit it after?)

yeah, I am used to being easter than anyone else

Awaclus is also European

[infangthief]

Some analysis on the actual doctor plan. Let's assume that by the end of today:
1. we have lynched a non-doctor
2. doctors have no reads regarding who is most likely doctor/vt/scum
(Assumption 1 is an essential assumption when considering the plan; Assumption 2 is unlikely, but simplifies the analysis)

Without the plan:
- chance of protecting two players = 56/64
- chance of protecting one player = 7/64
- chance of protecting no players = 1/64

With the plan:
- chance of protecting two players = 58/64
- chance of protecting one player = 6/64
- chance of protecting no players = 0/64

So the expected number of players protected is slightly higher with the plan than without. But only very slightly.

However, as DatSwan points out, the plan gives the scum team lots of advantages based on things like:
- they know where scum are in the ordering (thus which players are more/less likely to be protected by the plan).
- in the event of no night kill, they know which player they attempted to lynch.

So I am strongly in favour of not coordinating the doctor targets in any way.

[WestCoastDidds]

infangthief, is it ok to call you infang?

Or just fang??

[WestCoastDidds]

Good morning!  I’ve got to get to work and teach a couple of classes but I’ll have a minute after that to catch up.

I appreciate infang, hydrad, and swan laying out pros and cons of having a plan. I’m cool with no plan or a plan or whatever. It just seemed notable that the town PR canceled each other and wondered if coordination was necessary. But I’m compelled that the chances of that are minimal, at least for the time being.

LL, if I’m reading scummy, that is 100% one of your previously noted off reads. I was more enthusiastic yesterday than the last time I played because, we’ll, last time I didn’t know the game had started because newb. This time I knew it was time to go!

You’ll laugh when you read my coaching qt. It has questions like “what is copped?” I’m hoping the coach will help make me more savvy. Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.

[Uncleeurope]

Yesterday was a rough day for me, I had gotten a scarce amount of hours of sleep in the night and have my longest school day on Wednesdays which left me quite exhausted, so when I went to bed I was out for a long while in total.

So sadly I missed this entire storyline in our little game and was unable to react to it sooner.

There are a few elements I need to address.

1. I am not a doctor, I use the phrase "Trust me I'm a _____ Doctor" a lot IRL (pulled it from a video where guy explained something that made no sense and his evidence for trusting him was to trust him because he was a math doctor, despite math being barely related). I realize this makes no sense and is a weird coincidence, but there ya go.

And while I'm here asking questions of particular people, here's another one:

10/10 would lie as town again.

Uncleeurope (may I call you Eddie?) could you give us a percentage chance of how likely you are to lie as town in this particular game?

2. Honestly, medium likelyhood, but it hasn't happened yet. #NotaDoctor

And of course you may call me Eddie, I was handed that nickname last game and it seems destined to stick. (Fastest nickname I have ever achieved on a forum.)

3. I am very hesitant of this doctor preplanning session as well, it seems unintuitive to me to embrace it fully while ignoring the tried and true "Heal who you think will get attacked." I think Swan's reaction to this was a fair one (And does take him off my list where his squirreley behavior early had placed him previously)

in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc

4. Yeah, sorry about that, I have been told that people get used to me, I have also been told to expect to die a lot because of it. If it makes you feel better I only lie when I can perceive some gain from it.

Also, the WCD bit I have noticed a fraction of as well, although I associated the coach to causing the enthusiasm...?

5. Chairs seems reeeeaal iffy to me right now... If only he would respond after signing someone away to death. I don't want to vote for him though, I feel like swinging from one wagon to another has no benefits. I have to say, though, I like this Thief fellow, he seems cautious, and I like that. Swan also seems like someone I trust for the time being. and Raptor not saying ANYTHING is really annoying.

I honestly don't know who to vote for,

Vote: Raptor

I will stick with that until I don't.

[LaLight]

please, don't claim not a Doctor, this gives the scum an opportunity to PoE who doctors are. Also exactly this was the thing I have done as newb!scum once, so...

I'm gonna go back to vote: Uncleeurope

[LaLight]

why are you voting for Raptor?

[LaLight]

I am ok to return to chairs at any given moment

[Uncleeurope]

please, don't claim not a Doctor, this gives the scum an opportunity to PoE who doctors are. Also exactly this was the thing I have done as newb!scum once, so...

I'm gonna go back to vote: Uncleeurope

Sigh... There is no way to react to this properly, but whatever, digging my own grave is something I am accustomed to.

Scum!me would rarely take away options through such a claim as "Not a doctor." That being said, I completely understand that I look bad, this whole doctor business is causing chaos much in the vein of what a scum would want. (AKA I am helping scum with all this malarkey)

So I apologize for that.

Also, my raptor vote is mainly due to him being unresponsive to the game state. Voting on him forces reaction (eventually) if he is lurking.