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[mcmcsalot]

I’ll remind people because I was about to do the same, commenting on Faust proposed scumteam generally without reads is more harmful than helpful because of the info it gives scum for endgame scenarios. But giving thoughts are good.

I’ll post more thought about people hopefully tonight maybe tomorrow

[iguanaiguana]

Vote count 1.4

McMcsalot (2): Lalight, EFHW
Robz888 (2): McMcsalot, pingpongsam
Hydrad (1): IDontPlayThisGame
Lalight (1): Haddock
faust (1): gkrieg13
EFHW (5): faust, Galzria, DatSwan, Hydrad, Robz888

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Saturday, July 07, 2018, 10:30:00 am

[gkrieg13]

Sorry quick thoughts from conference, Hydrad’s play seems scummy and even more so with the claim

I haven’t seen what is scummy about EFHW but may have missed something.

I don’t see why Robz was included in the list people wanted thoughts on, but I haven’t read the entire thread as carefully as I would have liked to.

vote: Hydrad

[Swowl]

MCMC:

I think revealing my item/role would be detrimental so I'm not going to do it. If someone think they have a way to protect items or protect people that would be a helpful claim. otherwise I'm not too sure "coordinating" is going to be good based on scum ability to pick off users.

- This is just like almost too skummy to be skum. Idk how to better put that. It has pinged me, I am dog earing it bc IDK what to make of it.

---In between there is a lot of flavor reveal about what Samurai Jack actually is (regarding Time Travel and whatnot)-------

I think idp is town and don’t want to say why.

- IDP has 7 posts since game start, and like 1-2 of them are him stating VLA. Not calling IDP out for anything, but I fail to see how anything he said could give anyone ANY read (whether town or skum) so far in the game.
- Question at IDP... when you you feel comfortable giving the reason?

--- Everything they have said as of late strikes me on the towny side. I said recently I believe I could go for MCMC but upon re reading the only un-characteristic thing to me is how little they are interacting. So they are moving out of my lynch pool for now. ---



EFHW (18):

Scum!faust could have claimed protective role to encourage Samurai Jack to claim. It's pretty safe to do that since any other protective roles are unlikely to counter him.

If Galz is lying, the real SJ should definitely speak up because people are about to send items to Galz.

- This is the first thing I noted that stood out. Kind of the same thing as MCMC... it is like such a bad idea I almost can't believe it came from skum.

----After this is it is discussion of the claim stuff and defending. Upon this re read I am actually liking this case less. I do not think I have ever played with EFHW as skum, so I don't have much to run on, but I feel like skum in this slot would probably try harder to defend. That being said - the MCMC vote really pinged me as skummy. Not so much the reasoning as the player combined with the timing. ---


Hydrad (16):
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oo we doing claiming?

I will do a claim that I'm not sure how it will go as i'll probably get lynched today. but for the good of the game I want to claim it.

an ability I have is being framed. If you investigate me I will show up as scum.

just doing this so that I don't have to explain myself later or out a cop on a false result. but we will see how this works out.

- Again.. a post that is just like "why would you say this as skum?"

--- The "swap" to EFHW was skummy in timing and reason---




Haddock (5):
Not a lot of content. Skum lean based on game comparison. Could lynch here.


PPS (7):
Not a lot of content. Claimed VLA, acting as such. BC of VLA I would like to not lynch here.



GK (:
- My new favorite vote. Under the radar content. Got on Faust for the skummy claim and all that.
Then this:

Here, sorry.

I think faust's reads/cases are inaccurate, but also i think he is town.

Votes on Efhw don't seem great to me, she seems towny as does galz.

Tbh i still like my lalight vote.

Could always vote pps because always.

Does anyone else agree that faust seems towny and that bad votes against him are bad? Don't like gkrieg's vote there much.

Wow, your reads are the exact opposite of mine.  Also, FOS for the last question you asked.  Gauging people's reactions in that manner is scummy.

- In the same post Haddock states he thinks Faust is Town and then also asks what people think in regards to the votes on Faust (of which GK was one of the votes). This response is actually way more skummy than the question given the context.



Robz (15):
I am literally incapable of reading robz on day 1. I think he is skum, as I think he is skum every single time I am town. I will revisit later. I do not think it would be a good lynch today and I think that the original Robz wagon will be very helpful info after a few flips.


LL (13):
- Not a lot to go on. The "middle-ing" on faust early on comes off as towny. The general interactions come off as towny. Would like to stay away from this spot for today.


I am missing someone. And then Faust/Galz which I am writing up seperately.
I wanna vote GK.

Vote: GK

[faust]

The most likely scumteam right now is EFHW, Robz, LaLight.

I have EFHW/Gkrieg/LaLight.

Any reason Robz over Gkrieg?

Robz is scummy and gkrieg isn't.

[Galzria]

The most likely scumteam right now is EFHW, Robz, LaLight.

I have EFHW/Gkrieg/LaLight.

Any reason Robz over Gkrieg?

Robz is scummy and gkrieg isn't.

Disagree.

[faust]

The most likely scumteam right now is EFHW, Robz, LaLight.

I have EFHW/Gkrieg/LaLight.

Any reason Robz over Gkrieg?

Robz is scummy and gkrieg isn't.

Disagree.

Well I fail to see how gkrieg is scummy then. People cited his vote against me, but that is really something I rather expect from town!gkrieg.

[LaLight]

not sure why gkrieg or efhw are scummy. I for some reason think we should look into lurkers or Hydrad for a lynch

[LaLight]

also I have no idea how to read DatSwan

[Swowl]

The most likely scumteam right now is EFHW, Robz, LaLight.

I have EFHW/Gkrieg/LaLight.

Any reason Robz over Gkrieg?

Robz is scummy and gkrieg isn't.

Disagree.

with which part?

[Swowl]

not sure why gkrieg or efhw are scummy. I for some reason think we should look into lurkers or Hydrad for a lynch

lurkers or hydrad is a strange concept yes?
Pretty much every one (minus 2-3 people) should be considered lurkers so far.

why Hydrad specifically?

[Swowl]

also gonna take this moment to remind everyone that Galz is supposed to say something important or whatever at the end of day 1.

[Galzria]

also gonna take this moment to remind everyone that Galz is supposed to say something important or whatever at the end of day 1.

Incorrect.

[Galzria]

also gonna take this moment to remind everyone that Galz is supposed to say something important or whatever at the end of day 1.

Incorrect.

Simply something not relevant to catching scum, and hence no reason to spend time having a conversation about it.

[LaLight]

not sure why gkrieg or efhw are scummy. I for some reason think we should look into lurkers or Hydrad for a lynch

lurkers or hydrad is a strange concept yes?
Pretty much every one (minus 2-3 people) should be considered lurkers so far.

why Hydrad specifically?

I don't think Hydrad is lurker. I see lurkers here: [Pingpongsam, McMcsalot, IDontPlayThisGame, Haddock, Robz888] (yeah, I know some of them are officially VLA). Hydrad's framed claim is still troubling to me. And I am also not sure I ever played with him, but I have read some old games where he was very good scum player.

[Swowl]

also gonna take this moment to remind everyone that Galz is supposed to say something important or whatever at the end of day 1.

Incorrect.

Simply something not relevant to catching scum, and hence no reason to spend time having a conversation about it.

No conversation needed.

I was referring to this:

I think it's premature to send items to Galz just because he's claimed SJ. If iguana wanted SJ to be an IC, I expect he'd have included "SJ, the town named [whatever]" like with Will Shef in Okkervil River Mafia.

I have a theory as to why he didn't do exactly that, which I'll post at the end of D1.

Pretty clear cut. You stated you would post something at the end of day 1. I am just interested to know what it is - am I alone here?

[faust]

also gonna take this moment to remind everyone that Galz is supposed to say something important or whatever at the end of day 1.

Incorrect.

Simply something not relevant to catching scum, and hence no reason to spend time having a conversation about it.

Because it is so much better to have a conversation about what you were going to be saying instead!

[faust]

Vote: LaLight

I am convinced now. This is a good lynch.

[faust]

Since it seems necessary to spell it out before I inevitably die N1:

Hydrad is town because the role he claimed to have is typically called Miller. If a fakeclaim like this was discussed in the scum QT, they would have referred to it like Miller. They would not have used "framed" because Framer is a name of a scum role, and not the standard name.

[LaLight]

Vote: LaLight

I am convinced now. This is a good lynch.

Convinced by who? Is lynching me D1 the new black? Did it help in the previous game?

[LaLight]

vote: faust

[LaLight]

Something’s really off with faust’s play in this game

[EFHW]

Vote: LaLight

I am convinced now. This is a good lynch.

Convinced by what?

[EFHW]

Something’s really off with faust’s play in this game

How? Do you think he is scummy?

[LaLight]

Something’s really off with faust’s play in this game

How? Do you think he is scummy?

I think this is somewhat very different from usual faust's play and I think this is more scummy than not. I already mentioned his strange claim and change of mind about it in 3,5 minutes at the very beginning of the game and he just seems less thoughtful in this game. I don't believe that he is scumhunting