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[faust]

Why is faust suddenly defending gkrieg?

I don't like the ease with which the wagon has sprung up - after I said I found him scummy and without much of a case at all - while my vote on Idplay that is just as good was ignored. And I'm still wary of Galzria.

I'm not ok with the big wagons forming yet, there's still more to discuss.  See below:

I don't know how big wagons are preventing us from discussing stuff. I'd rather have more happen than to wait for you to finish your 1-post-a-day discussion of things until we're out of time.

I want faust to say what he did last night, because as it stands my role-information from last night is pointing in the direction of scum!faust.

Well okay then. I took no action.

[LaLight]

I'm a machine

[pingpongsam]

I’m a beast.

Vote: Robz

[iguanaiguana]

Vote count 2.2

Robz888 (3): IDontPlayThisGame, EFHW, pingpongsam
IDontPlayThisGame (1): faust
gkrieg13 (4): Galzria, Hydrad, Robz888, Lalight

not voting (3): McMcsalot, gkrieg13, Haddock

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, July 16, 2018, 10:30:00 am

[Robz888]

I'm human.

[mcmcsalot]

I’m human

vote: robz L-2

[Robz888]

Stop. Halt. Desist.

[LaLight]

Stop. Halt. Desist.

What does it mean?

[gkrieg13]

Sorry guys, got home from conference late last night.  I will really get to this later today.  Don't lynch me.

[Haddock]

Why is faust suddenly defending gkrieg?

I don't like the ease with which the wagon has sprung up - after I said I found him scummy and without much of a case at all - while my vote on Idplay that is just as good was ignored. And I'm still wary of Galzria.

I'm not ok with the big wagons forming yet, there's still more to discuss.  See below:

I don't know how big wagons are preventing us from discussing stuff. I'd rather have more happen than to wait for you to finish your 1-post-a-day discussion of things until we're out of time.

I want faust to say what he did last night, because as it stands my role-information from last night is pointing in the direction of scum!faust.

Well okay then. I took no action.

This last changes things.
Mmk.

I still find gkrieg scummy.

What the hell is the case on Robz?

[Galzria]

Fascinating how interested Faust was in a Gkrieg lynch as long as Gkrieg didn't have any votes on him. The moment the lynch might be a thing, Faust backtracked real quick.

Again: I will only vote for Gkrieg or Faust today. I prefer Faust, who has managed to be far more difficult to gain any traction on than Robz, which seems to be the only real reason people are voting Robz.

[pingpongsam]

Vote: faust in solidarity with Galzria's position.

[Galzria]

vote: faust (move from Gkrieg).

[LaLight]

vote: faust, maybe this’ll work this time

[Haddock]

I'm against a faust lynch.

Happy for a gkrieg lynch though.

[faust]

Fascinating how interested Faust was in a Gkrieg lynch as long as Gkrieg didn't have any votes on him. The moment the lynch might be a thing, Faust backtracked real quick.

I always get cold feet when my preferred lynch choice attracts lots of votes for no reason. You still haven't answered my question why his EFHW vote was scummy. Or, I think you didn't. I don't have the best track record noticing your answers this game.

[faust]

Can anyone explain how any of the current lynch choices is a better pick than Idplay?

[Galzria]

Can anyone explain how any of the current lynch choices is a better pick than Idplay?

Can you explain why they're not. Your process of elimination that led you to him was nothing more than arbitrary opinion.

[iguanaiguana]

Vote count 2.3

Robz888 (3): IDontPlayThisGame, EFHW, McMcsalot
IDontPlayThisGame (1): faust
gkrieg13 (2): Hydrad, Robz888
faust (3): pingpongsam, Galzria, Lalight

not voting (2): gkrieg13, Haddock

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, July 16, 2018, 10:30:00 am

[Galzria]

Fascinating how interested Faust was in a Gkrieg lynch as long as Gkrieg didn't have any votes on him. The moment the lynch might be a thing, Faust backtracked real quick.

I always get cold feet when my preferred lynch choice attracts lots of votes for no reason. You still haven't answered my question why his EFHW vote was scummy. Or, I think you didn't. I don't have the best track record noticing your answers this game.

Because it was the first vote after she self voted, and I would expect scum, knowing she's town, to simply accept it far easier than town would. Town would at least take a moment to go "Huh, that's weird, what's going on here?"

[pingpongsam]

Fascinating how interested Faust was in a Gkrieg lynch as long as Gkrieg didn't have any votes on him. The moment the lynch might be a thing, Faust backtracked real quick.

I always get cold feet when my preferred lynch choice attracts lots of votes for no reason. You still haven't answered my question why his EFHW vote was scummy. Or, I think you didn't. I don't have the best track record noticing your answers this game.

Because it was the first vote after she self voted, and I would expect scum, knowing she's town, to simply accept it far easier than town would. Town would at least take a moment to go "Huh, that's weird, what's going on here?"

I dunno about that. I cam along for the hammer but as soon as I saw what she did I pretty much immediately proceeded. There wasn't much about what she did that gave me pause at all. As I said earlier, the only thing bad about her play was the timing of the self-vote. In fact, I think she could have pulled the deal off without the self-vote and gotten more value out of it. But to say that scum sought refuge in her self-vote is pure WIFOM because that sort of play allows free votes from any alignment.

[Galzria]

Fascinating how interested Faust was in a Gkrieg lynch as long as Gkrieg didn't have any votes on him. The moment the lynch might be a thing, Faust backtracked real quick.

I always get cold feet when my preferred lynch choice attracts lots of votes for no reason. You still haven't answered my question why his EFHW vote was scummy. Or, I think you didn't. I don't have the best track record noticing your answers this game.

Because it was the first vote after she self voted, and I would expect scum, knowing she's town, to simply accept it far easier than town would. Town would at least take a moment to go "Huh, that's weird, what's going on here?"

I dunno about that. I cam along for the hammer but as soon as I saw what she did I pretty much immediately proceeded. There wasn't much about what she did that gave me pause at all. As I said earlier, the only thing bad about her play was the timing of the self-vote. In fact, I think she could have pulled the deal off without the self-vote and gotten more value out of it. But to say that scum sought refuge in her self-vote is pure WIFOM because that sort of play allows free votes from any alignment.

As town, it should have given you pause. Her lynch was not good for town. It was strictly worse than a scum lynch. If you had any belief that she was what she claimed, it should have made you reconsider.

Now, I'm not arguing that there was TIME for a different lynch, or that her lynch was worse than no-lynch (which would've been the other option at that time). That's an entirely separate argument - and to be fair, that's not the argument that you're making either here either. But to say that her claim didn't give you any hesitation at all, or that you didn't think "Huh, this probably isn't the best town option at this point" seems like a really strange thing to say.

Now, from your perspective, coming in as late as you did and hammering... well, I can't really say. Maybe you're scum. Maybe you're town that came in and said "Well, this is the only lynch that's happening, deadline is in an hour, and her claim doesn't really change anything so...". But Gkrieg, who voted immediately following her claim, definitely had time to say something - or to weigh in on her claim in some way.

[gkrieg13]

I have learned that we cannot exclude the possibility of EFHW changing alignment even after her death. Which sucks.

Rereading the day and posting things as I go.  This seems pretty unlikely.  A scum restless spirit would be much too powerful I think.

[gkrieg13]

DatSwan kill suggests gkrieg and/or Galzria are scum.

wow, why?

- DatSwan pushed for gkrieg
- DatSwan/Galzria have a history of voting for each other
- Galzria did not die even though he claimed main character.

Given that you claimed a protective role, it is strange that you are saying someone is scummy for not dying.  Just the existence of a protective role implies that scum wouldn't go for the main character without strongman/roleblock (which I guess is pretty likely for them to have).  If you have a protective role that is fairly traditional (JK, Doc, etc.), this is scummy.

[gkrieg13]

I have learned that we cannot exclude the possibility of EFHW changing alignment even after her death. Which sucks.

You know something about alignment-changing?

No, but I asked iguana if we could be sure that EFHW stays town, and he said no. (paraphrasing)

Don't want to be that irritating LaLight again but that's some scummy thinking. "How could we make the best out of situation.. ah, can't restless spirit be on our side?"

Well if I was scum with a way to turn EFHW, it would hardly do much good for me to announce that publicly.

That's been your defense for almost everything this game. "But I wouldn't do that as scum!"

That's not a defense. It's pure WIFOM. And the fact that you're using it as a defense (again and again) definitely merits a vote: faust.

Not to mention:

DatSwan kill suggests gkrieg and/or Galzria are scum.

wow, why?

- DatSwan pushed for gkrieg
- DatSwan/Galzria have a history of voting for each other
- Galzria did not die even though he claimed main character.

- Datswan being town doesn't make his reads good
- As all alignments. Town v Town, Scum v Town,  and Scum v Scum. You're drawing a conclusion that has no relevance here.
- And you, sir, didn't die even though you claimed a protective role, which is far more suspicious as scum at least had the WIFOM in regards to killing me because I -could- be protected, whereas you almost certainly were not. But this line of argument is what I would expect from scum, so, yeah.

This sounds slightly overly defensive from Galzria.  Mainly the "And you, sir" in the last bullet point.  Like Galzria is trying to discredit faust's argument by saying faust should have died.