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[iguanaiguana]

EFHW could be scum if Galzria is town and Eevee tried to shoot Galzria, who was bulletproof because of Jim.

It's only if I blocked the kill or EFHW blocked the kill, then EFHW is conf!town (and y'all can know I'm town too). We'll never get confirmation on that so there will always be uncertainty.

[iguanaiguana]

I do find it likely that Jim would use his bulletproof N1 on Galzria. If he town read Galz, then Galz is an obvious choice as a popular night kill.

Oh wait, town!Galz couldn't have been NK'd by Eevee because he would have detected Eevee targeting him that night. So EFHW really really should be town.

Scum!Robz wouldn't have vanillaized scum's choice for who to lynch D2 (and McMc was clearly their top lynch choice, considering how much he was pushed. I should probably go get evidence for that assertion......) So Robz really should be town.

Awaclus got copped, so he really should be town.....

SO

We have Galz/DatSwan = probably one scum
Hydrad / Space = probably one scum by default because we are out of spots for both to be town and it's very unlikely that they both planned to claim neighbors and both are scum.
IDP = scum, because he's the only spot left to put scum somewhere.

[iguanaiguana]

Someone please check my logic.

[Robz888]

Well, Galz and DS COULD both be scum, and hydrad and Space COULD both be scum, but yeah it's not super likely.

Why is EFHW town again? I believe you, I just don't remember.

[Swowl]

I do find it likely that Jim would use his bulletproof N1 on Galzria. If he town read Galz, then Galz is an obvious choice as a popular night kill.

Oh wait, town!Galz couldn't have been NK'd by Eevee because he would have detected Eevee targeting him that night. So EFHW really really should be town.

Scum!Robz wouldn't have vanillaized scum's choice for who to lynch D2 (and McMc was clearly their top lynch choice, considering how much he was pushed. I should probably go get evidence for that assertion......) So Robz really should be town.

Awaclus got copped, so he really should be town.....

SO

We have Galz/DatSwan = probably one scum
Hydrad / Space = probably one scum by default because we are out of spots for both to be town and it's very unlikely that they both planned to claim neighbors and both are scum.
IDP = scum, because he's the only spot left to put scum somewhere.

I am phone posting but quick read makes sense from your perspective.

[iguanaiguana]

I do find it likely that Jim would use his bulletproof N1 on Galzria. If he town read Galz, then Galz is an obvious choice as a popular night kill.

Oh wait, town!Galz couldn't have been NK'd by Eevee because he would have detected Eevee targeting him that night. So EFHW really really should be town.

Scum!Robz wouldn't have vanillaized scum's choice for who to lynch D2 (and McMc was clearly their top lynch choice, considering how much he was pushed. I should probably go get evidence for that assertion......) So Robz really should be town.

Awaclus got copped, so he really should be town.....

SO

We have Galz/DatSwan = probably one scum
Hydrad / Space = probably one scum by default because we are out of spots for both to be town and it's very unlikely that they both planned to claim neighbors and both are scum.
IDP = scum, because he's the only spot left to put scum somewhere.

I am phone posting but quick read makes sense from your perspective.

It should make sense from your perspective too!

[iguanaiguana]

Well, Galz and DS COULD both be scum, and hydrad and Space COULD both be scum, but yeah it's not super likely.

Why is EFHW town again? I believe you, I just don't remember.

EFHW and I should both be LIKELY town because we both protected each other on N2 when Eevee likely tried to shoot someone and failed. If DatSwan is scum and Galzria is town, then Galzria is likely bulletproof (because he probably detected Jim targeting him N1) and Eevee could have then shot Galzria and then in that case EFHW & Iguana wouldn't be cleared. In that case, we still should be considered town just because we have both been very towny. If DatSwan is town, then his result that Jim didn't bulletproof anyone N1 is likely correct and we should be both towny and cleared by results.

[EFHW]

Well, Galz and DS COULD both be scum, and hydrad and Space COULD both be scum, but yeah it's not super likely.

Why is EFHW town again? I believe you, I just don't remember.

EFHW and I should both be LIKELY town because we both protected each other on N2 when Eevee likely tried to shoot someone and failed. If DatSwan is scum and Galzria is town, then Galzria is likely bulletproof (because he probably detected Jim targeting him N1) and Eevee could have then shot Galzria and then in that case EFHW & Iguana wouldn't be cleared. In that case, we still should be considered town just because we have both been very towny. If DatSwan is town, then his result that Jim didn't bulletproof anyone N1 is likely correct and we should be both towny and cleared by results.

If Eevee shot town!Galzria, that would have shown up in his results.

[Hydrad]

oh a bunch of things are happening while i was asleep.

[iguanaiguana]

Okay, if my logic is correct then I think I solved the game for town.

Again, the logic:

Awaclus is likely town because gkrieg breadcrumbed copping him N2. (Scum probably didn't rolecop gkrieg N1 then redirect him because they killed him N3. If they wanted to redirect gkrieg's cop action to give him false results, they would have let him live and report his results. Killing him in the absence of town redirection indicates that scum feared his PR and his results should be trusted. This also means scum probably doesn't have limitless redirection at their disposal).

Robz is likely town because it would be horrible scum strategy to vanillaize McMcsalot when mafia likely was planning to push his lynch on D2. Picking any townie to vanillaize, scum!Robz should have picked someone who was ostensibly scummy but unlikely to be lynched. And if we look at the McMc wagons, I think we can see that scum should be on there:

Day 2 Final Vote Count

mcmcsalot (7): gkrieg13, Awaclus, SpaceAnemone, IDontPlayThisGame, Hydrad, Eevee, DatSwan
Eevee (5): iguanaiguana, EFHW, mcmcsalot, Galzria, Robz888

Not Voting (0)

With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

The only way the mcmc wagon wasn't scum's top choice is if Galzria/Robz/EFHW has two scum in it and scum would have rather bussed than lynch McMc. And I think scum Robz plays with more finesse than to vanillaize a player and then have his team get them lynched at the same time. He didn't push hard against the McMc lynch at all. Robz is also playing like town!Robz and not like scum!Robz, so that's a thing too.

[EFHW]

I'm ok with an IDP lynch. He is very different this game. He said he's some kind of enabler. It would be good to hear more about that.

Ppe ii

[iguanaiguana]

Well, Galz and DS COULD both be scum, and hydrad and Space COULD both be scum, but yeah it's not super likely.

Why is EFHW town again? I believe you, I just don't remember.

EFHW and I should both be LIKELY town because we both protected each other on N2 when Eevee likely tried to shoot someone and failed. If DatSwan is scum and Galzria is town, then Galzria is likely bulletproof (because he probably detected Jim targeting him N1) and Eevee could have then shot Galzria and then in that case EFHW & Iguana wouldn't be cleared. In that case, we still should be considered town just because we have both been very towny. If DatSwan is town, then his result that Jim didn't bulletproof anyone N1 is likely correct and we should be both towny and cleared by results.

If Eevee shot town!Galzria, that would have shown up in his results.

Oh right, duh, we are both almost 100% totally cleared. We are each other's only conceivable way that the N2 kill got blocked, barring some MAJOR result tampering on scum's part. It was really very very lucky that we targeted each other.

[Hydrad]

I could go with an IDP lynch also.

[Hydrad]

Well, Galz and DS COULD both be scum, and hydrad and Space COULD both be scum, but yeah it's not super likely.

Why is EFHW town again? I believe you, I just don't remember.

EFHW and I should both be LIKELY town because we both protected each other on N2 when Eevee likely tried to shoot someone and failed. If DatSwan is scum and Galzria is town, then Galzria is likely bulletproof (because he probably detected Jim targeting him N1) and Eevee could have then shot Galzria and then in that case EFHW & Iguana wouldn't be cleared. In that case, we still should be considered town just because we have both been very towny. If DatSwan is town, then his result that Jim didn't bulletproof anyone N1 is likely correct and we should be both towny and cleared by results.

If Eevee shot town!Galzria, that would have shown up in his results.

Oh right, duh, we are both almost 100% totally cleared. We are each other's only conceivable way that the N2 kill got blocked, barring some MAJOR result tampering on scum's part. It was really very very lucky that we targeted each other.

I didn't really think about how you guys are mini IC's while the claims were going. I didn't make the connection that you protecting each other is the only real way that n3 a kill didn't go through.

[EFHW]

Robz and Galz on Eevee's wagon does count in their favor.

Hydrad, you mean N2?

[Hydrad]

Robz and Galz on Eevee's wagon does count in their favor.

Hydrad, you mean N2?

err ya sorry

[Hydrad]

so scumteam is most likely

IDP/Galz/Dat?

with me and space on sidelines imo.

[Hydrad]

also if we think we need it and i'm being viewed as a high suspect scum person.

I'm willing to use my power one night to make it so I die instead of one of our towny people.

I don't really know how else to use it.

[EFHW]

also if we think we need it and i'm being viewed as a high suspect scum person.

I'm willing to use my power one night to make it so I die instead of one of our towny people.

I don't really know how else to use it.

You wouldn't die.

[iguanaiguana]

I have a plan. Please read this post.

We LIKELY have only town among EFHW/Iguana/Awaclus/Robz.

We LIKELY have one scum between Hydrad/Space

We LIKELY have one scum between Galzria/DatSwan

That means that IDP is the most likely player to be scum.

Today, we lynch IDP.

If he is town, we play defensively. EFHW should pick at random between Iguana and Robz for a target. Iguana should pick at random between EFHW and Awaclus for a target. That gives scum 50% odds of getting a NK on any of those targets and may help them PoE for us or maybe they won't get a kill.

If he is scum, we put DatSwan's PR to the test. I will rolestop DatSwan, allowing him to use his claimed 1-shot vigilante on Galzria un-tampered with. If EFHW's protection can help make sure my rolestop goes through, she'll use it on me to protect me. Otherwise she'll protect whoever. If DatSwan is town, he shoots Galzria, and we see the scum!Galzria flip we need to see in order to know that DatSwan wasn't lying. If Galzria doesn't die, we should strongly, strongly consider lynching DatSwan. The only way scum could stop this is by protecting Galz directly or by roleblocking both DatSwan and me. No one else should tamper with this. Scum will have two players left, so we would hope a low chance to be able to mess with this plan.

If we can use this plan to sort DatSwan/Galzria and IDP correctly across two days, we have a high chance of going into the decision between Space/Hydrad with two tries. And then we win.

[Hydrad]

also if we think we need it and i'm being viewed as a high suspect scum person.

I'm willing to use my power one night to make it so I die instead of one of our towny people.

I don't really know how else to use it.

You wouldn't die.

I'm macho so i would

[EFHW]

Oh, right. Forgot that detail.

[EFHW]

Iguana, protecting me would allow three people to be protected the next night (me and my two targets.)

[Hydrad]

I have a plan. Please read this post.

We LIKELY have only town among EFHW/Iguana/Awaclus/Robz.

We LIKELY have one scum between Hydrad/Space

We LIKELY have one scum between Galzria/DatSwan

That means that IDP is the most likely player to be scum.

Today, we lynch IDP.

If he is town, we play defensively. EFHW should pick at random between Iguana and Robz for a target. Iguana should pick at random between EFHW and Awaclus for a target. That gives scum 50% odds of getting a NK on any of those targets and may help them PoE for us or maybe they won't get a kill.

If he is scum, we put DatSwan's PR to the test. I will rolestop DatSwan, allowing him to use his claimed 1-shot vigilante on Galzria un-tampered with. If EFHW's protection can help make sure my rolestop goes through, she'll use it on me to protect me. Otherwise she'll protect whoever. If DatSwan is town, he shoots Galzria, and we see the scum!Galzria flip we need to see in order to know that DatSwan wasn't lying. If Galzria doesn't die, we should strongly, strongly consider lynching DatSwan. The only way scum could stop this is by protecting Galz directly or by roleblocking both DatSwan and me. No one else should tamper with this. Scum will have two players left, so we would hope a low chance to be able to mess with this plan.

If we can use this plan to sort DatSwan/Galzria and IDP correctly across two days, we have a high chance of going into the decision between Space/Hydrad with two tries. And then we win.

the one thing we have to be careful of is if there is a bus driver.  other then that it sounds ok to me

[iguanaiguana]

Iguana, protecting me would allow three people to be protected the next night (me and my two targets.)

Hm.

I guess the bare bones of my plan is: we need to lynch IDP and if DatSwan is town he needs to prove it by shooting Galzria. Obviously we can't 100% lock things down with night actions because we don't know what scum can do. But if I rolestop DatSwan that doesn't give him much of an excuse for why his vig shot didn't go through.

We may be able to do something with Hydrad's lightning rod in order to ensure that we lynch correctly there too. But I think that should be a N5 thing not a N4 thing. Maybe?