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[Hydrad]

but it would be kinda awkward.

[Hydrad]

actually I think that would be kinda hilarious. If I could just talk to scum kinda guessing who they are. I'd enjoy that.

[Hydrad]

Also I believe that if Jimmm used his 1-shot then scum wouldn't have their 1-shot either. But we can wait on faust to confirm that

[gkrieg13]

If Jimmmm used his bulletproofer shot, would the mafia that inherited his role from killing him (assuming that is how he died) also get a shot, or would they just be a neighbor?

Hold up -

Scum inherit the powers of the night-killed, yes?

So if Jimmm's neighbor is still alive and is town, then would scum have taken Jimmm's place in the neighborhood? --- That is:

If someone were Jimmm's neighbor, and they now have a new person in their QT, that person must be scum...

Right?

I assume scum took it from knowing Jimmmm's role, and knew that they would get his bulletproofing capabilities.

[faust]

If Jimmmm used his bulletproofer shot, would the mafia that inherited his role from killing him (assuming that is how he died) also get a shot, or would they just be a neighbor?

Scum will inherit any role with however many shot are left. They are not informed how many shots are left.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

I also think its fairly likely that flavor is tied to role based on the flips we have seen.

I strongly disagree with this.

Flavor and role are somewhat related. I came into this game completely against role claiming and asked faust N0 so I wouldn't have to wait for an answer if people brought up flavor claiming.

[gkrieg13]

I also think its fairly likely that flavor is tied to role based on the flips we have seen.

I strongly disagree with this.

Flavor and role are somewhat related. I came into this game completely against role claiming and asked faust N0 so I wouldn't have to wait for an answer if people brought up flavor claiming.

I guess mine doesn't seem very related, although I guess you could shoehorn it in there.

[EFHW]

I also think its fairly likely that flavor is tied to role based on the flips we have seen.

I strongly disagree with this.

Flavor and role are somewhat related. I came into this game completely against role claiming and asked faust N0 so I wouldn't have to wait for an answer if people brought up flavor claiming.

Why ask faust? Or what? You would know if your flavor matched your role.

[Swowl]

If Jimmmm used his bulletproofer shot, would the mafia that inherited his role from killing him (assuming that is how he died) also get a shot, or would they just be a neighbor?

Hold up -

Scum inherit the powers of the night-killed, yes?

So if Jimmm's neighbor is still alive and is town, then would scum have taken Jimmm's place in the neighborhood? --- That is:

If someone were Jimmm's neighbor, and they now have a new person in their QT, that person must be scum...

Right?

I assume scum took it from knowing Jimmmm's role, and knew that they would get his bulletproofing capabilities.

I do not really agree with this in terms of "because to get his BP ability", just because I don't think a 1 shot BP is really like all that crazy strong - but whatever, not my primary point anyways. Main point would kind of the other side of what Galz pointed out about the Neighbor Changing or whatever.

I am just gonna get ahead of the questions here and say that "my pr is complicated" (or at least it is to me). Specifically, it leads me to believe it is possible that Skum!Neighbor may of had a PR that expires, or is forced to be used at an exact time.
Essentially what I am trying to say that if there was a situation last night where Skum!Nieghbor was "forced" to be the person to carry out the kill - then they would of had to kill Jim right?  I am saying this under the assumption they would be removed from the Neighborhood or whatever once that was no longer part of their PR.

Does that make sense? I just re read it and I feel like it follows.

[Galzria]

If Jimmmm used his bulletproofer shot, would the mafia that inherited his role from killing him (assuming that is how he died) also get a shot, or would they just be a neighbor?

Hold up -

Scum inherit the powers of the night-killed, yes?

So if Jimmm's neighbor is still alive and is town, then would scum have taken Jimmm's place in the neighborhood? --- That is:

If someone were Jimmm's neighbor, and they now have a new person in their QT, that person must be scum...

Right?

I assume scum took it from knowing Jimmmm's role, and knew that they would get his bulletproofing capabilities.

I do not really agree with this in terms of "because to get his BP ability", just because I don't think a 1 shot BP is really like all that crazy strong - but whatever, not my primary point anyways. Main point would kind of the other side of what Galz pointed out about the Neighbor Changing or whatever.

I am just gonna get ahead of the questions here and say that "my pr is complicated" (or at least it is to me). Specifically, it leads me to believe it is possible that Skum!Neighbor may of had a PR that expires, or is forced to be used at an exact time.
Essentially what I am trying to say that if there was a situation last night where Skum!Nieghbor was "forced" to be the person to carry out the kill - then they would of had to kill Jim right?  I am saying this under the assumption they would be removed from the Neighborhood or whatever once that was no longer part of their PR.

Does that make sense? I just re read it and I feel like it follows.

DAMA,

But no, I don't follow.

[Galzria]

Are you suggesting that if Jimmm's neighbor (scum) had (for some reason) to do the kill for his team last night, then he - by necessity - had to kill Jimmm because by virtue of scum's power changing Jimmm would know that his neighbor was scum?

That seems... convoluted to my drunk state of mind.

[Galzria]

I do agree though that killing Jimmm for his potential power here (If Jimmm used his power last night then scum acquiring it is non-value anyway) seems like a weak play for scum. Unless said scum is inexperienced on playing to a town neighbor, having the town neighbor would be much more valuable to me then potentially gaining Jimmm's role here. One of my favorite (lost) games from way back was getting absolutely owned by scum!Robz in a neighborhood QT - Was it Modern Family, Robz? - because it showed just how powerful that could play in scum's favor.

[SpaceAnemone]

My flavour and role don't match up all that well, so add me as a tally to the tally of people who're not totally sure how much to expect role and flavour to be obviously linked.

I like what gkrieg was doing about trying to find Jimmmmm neighbours. I was in the M game that just finished, where Hydrad's neighbourhood was really useful, though of course there was still the problem of making Robz (who was a de facto IC over there, and with whom I shared the neighbourhood after other neighbours had died) believe I was town.. so presumably Jimmmmm wouldn't have believed outright that his neighbour was town on D1, would he?

[SpaceAnemone]

Why all the self recriminations? Hammering was the right move,  even though we ended up being wrong

Yeah, I rushed in thinking that hammering was really the right answer without thinking much about it beyond that it's usually something we want to do. I'm not generally afraid of overthinking things, but here I took the "normal" option instead of giving LL a fair re-read, so now I feel guilt because I'd have liked to play more with him.

[iguanaiguana]

My thoughts on the Jimmmmm kill were

1. It may point to a commonly NK'd player on the scum team.
2. Maybe scum had some narrative in mind for 'explaining the odd NK' which I guess would point to gkrieg.

I think the neighbor theory gkrieg put up is interesting but not the likeliest thing.

[EFHW]

I do agree though that killing Jimmm for his potential power here (If Jimmm used his power last night then scum acquiring it is non-value anyway) seems like a weak play for scum. Unless said scum is inexperienced on playing to a town neighbor, having the town neighbor would be much more valuable to me then potentially gaining Jimmm's role here. One of my favorite (lost) games from way back was getting absolutely owned by scum!Robz in a neighborhood QT - Was it Modern Family, Robz? - because it showed just how powerful that could play in scum's favor.

Modern Community. I remember it well.

[EFHW]

I am just gonna get ahead of the questions here and say that "my pr is complicated" (or at least it is to me). Specifically, it leads me to believe it is possible that Skum!Neighbor may of had a PR that expires, or is forced to be used at an exact time.
Essentially what I am trying to say that if there was a situation last night where Skum!Nieghbor was "forced" to be the person to carry out the kill - then they would of had to kill Jim right?  I am saying this under the assumption they would be removed from the Neighborhood or whatever once that was no longer part of their PR.

Does that make sense? I just re read it and I feel like it follows.

Jimmmmm was the one with the neighbor power, so even if the scum had a time-limited power, it would be something else and Jimmmmm wouldn't know anything. If there was a scum!Neighborizer, they would have their own separate neighborhood.

[Eevee]

I do agree though that killing Jimmm for his potential power here (If Jimmm used his power last night then scum acquiring it is non-value anyway) seems like a weak play for scum. Unless said scum is inexperienced on playing to a town neighbor, having the town neighbor would be much more valuable to me then potentially gaining Jimmm's role here. One of my favorite (lost) games from way back was getting absolutely owned by scum!Robz in a neighborhood QT - Was it Modern Family, Robz? - because it showed just how powerful that could play in scum's favor.

Modern Community. I remember it well.

Modern Community was such a great game. The same thing also happened in Ozle’s first Murder Mystery Mafia. I think it was scumGalzria running circles around me in that game.

[mcmcsalot]

DAMA I feel like I get what Hydrad is saying and that I did good things during the night. If that makes sense to hydrad he should let me know.

[Hydrad]

I feel out on the mafia lingo. whats DAMA

[Robz888]

I do agree though that killing Jimmm for his potential power here (If Jimmm used his power last night then scum acquiring it is non-value anyway) seems like a weak play for scum. Unless said scum is inexperienced on playing to a town neighbor, having the town neighbor would be much more valuable to me then potentially gaining Jimmm's role here. One of my favorite (lost) games from way back was getting absolutely owned by scum!Robz in a neighborhood QT - Was it Modern Family, Robz? - because it showed just how powerful that could play in scum's favor.

Yep, that was the one. Great game!

If Jimm was in a neighborhood with scum, I would expect scum to NOT kill him, for this reason. In fact, in the game that just wrapped up, I may the correct assumption that the neighborizer (hydrad) was town, because the guy he neigbhborized Night 1 (WW) was the Night 2 mafia kill.

You should really read M-116, Galz. It's an example of me playing well as town!

[Robz888]

DAMA: Drunk, ask me anything

[Robz888]

My thoughts on the Jimmmmm kill were

1. It may point to a commonly NK'd player on the scum team.

Why?

[Hydrad]

DAMA I feel like I get what Hydrad is saying and that I did good things during the night. If that makes sense to hydrad he should let me know.

Ok i'll be honest I have no idea what this is trying to say. So no it does not make sense to me.

[Robz888]

DAMA I feel like I get what Hydrad is saying and that I did good things during the night. If that makes sense to hydrad he should let me know.

Ok i'll be honest I have no idea what this is trying to say. So no it does not make sense to me.

I also have no idea what it was trying to say, although my guess is some kind of letter messenger thing, that hydrad apparently did not receive?