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[Hydrad]

Presumably, the main things governing whether people want to claim are how much they like solving setups (rather that just trying to catch people out for "sounding scummy"), and how much extra information they feel their role gives them compared to what they think the average role will have.

Scum is clearly at an advantage for the latter point, because they get to know what the roles of themselves and their three buddies are, assuming they're all in a faction QT. Though 4/14 scums seems pretty strong, especially when they can essentially eat the roles of the rest of us, so I wonder whether any of them start out with nerfs. Still, with them able to eat our roles, I don't think letting on the relative strengths of our powers is a good idea even if we have a decent level of protection available to help us keep strong town roles in alive townies' hands, because I don't think faust would design a game that could be easily solved by town just by revealing stuff.

Ok. that makes sense.

Ya I guess I didn't factor in the fact that scum steals the roles they kill this time. But I wouldn't be surprised if even if they didn't steal the roles that we shouldn't claim.

[Robz888]

I’ve fallen behind already, sorry! I should have some time for this later, if boozy brunch doesn’t take me out of commission.

[Galzria]

I'm off work tomorrow and Monday without any real plans, so I'll be back in the action then.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Presumably, the main things governing whether people want to claim are how much they like solving setups (rather that just trying to catch people out for "sounding scummy"), and how much extra information they feel their role gives them compared to what they think the average role will have.

Scum is clearly at an advantage for the latter point, because they get to know what the roles of themselves and their three buddies are, assuming they're all in a faction QT. Though 4/14 scums seems pretty strong, especially when they can essentially eat the roles of the rest of us, so I wonder whether any of them start out with nerfs. Still, with them able to eat our roles, I don't think letting on the relative strengths of our powers is a good idea even if we have a decent level of protection available to help us keep strong town roles in alive townies' hands, because I don't think faust would design a game that could be easily solved by town just by revealing stuff.

Ok. that makes sense.

Ya I guess I didn't factor in the fact that scum steals the roles they kill this time. But I wouldn't be surprised if even if they didn't steal the roles that we shouldn't claim.

What benefits did you see to the plan that offset scum knowing which PRs to snipe/play around?

[mcmcsalot]

vote: hydrad

[Hydrad]

Presumably, the main things governing whether people want to claim are how much they like solving setups (rather that just trying to catch people out for "sounding scummy"), and how much extra information they feel their role gives them compared to what they think the average role will have.

Scum is clearly at an advantage for the latter point, because they get to know what the roles of themselves and their three buddies are, assuming they're all in a faction QT. Though 4/14 scums seems pretty strong, especially when they can essentially eat the roles of the rest of us, so I wonder whether any of them start out with nerfs. Still, with them able to eat our roles, I don't think letting on the relative strengths of our powers is a good idea even if we have a decent level of protection available to help us keep strong town roles in alive townies' hands, because I don't think faust would design a game that could be easily solved by town just by revealing stuff.

Ok. that makes sense.

Ya I guess I didn't factor in the fact that scum steals the roles they kill this time. But I wouldn't be surprised if even if they didn't steal the roles that we shouldn't claim.

What benefits did you see to the plan that offset scum knowing which PRs to snipe/play around?

Kinda what I said before. The fact that scum probably has scummy roles so they either have to think of a fake claim that sounds believable or claim VT. And I guess I was basing it on my experiences but me personally. I can never think of good fakeclaims at all and when I attempt to fakeclaim it either is seen through right away or I claim VT and people narrow it down to me.

But I'm not sure if thats a common problem for other people or if its just me.

[Hydrad]

vote: hydrad

Unfortunate

[Awaclus]

Well, we don't have any idea how good massclaim is because we don't know what the setup is, beyond what we know about our own roles. So we can't really make an informed decision. Scum is able to make a slightly more informed decision. That's why I think that if we just decide normally, scum is able to influence that decision, and then we make the decision that's most beneficial for scum, whichever it is. Instead, I think we should just decide it randomly with a 50/50 chance.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Well, we don't have any idea how good massclaim is because we don't know what the setup is, beyond what we know about our own roles. So we can't really make an informed decision. Scum is able to make a slightly more informed decision. That's why I think that if we just decide normally, scum is able to influence that decision, and then we make the decision that's most beneficial for scum, whichever it is. Instead, I think we should just decide it randomly with a 50/50 chance.

Can you please point me to a game where a massclaim caught scum?

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Well, we don't have any idea how good massclaim is because we don't know what the setup is, beyond what we know about our own roles. So we can't really make an informed decision. Scum is able to make a slightly more informed decision. That's why I think that if we just decide normally, scum is able to influence that decision, and then we make the decision that's most beneficial for scum, whichever it is. Instead, I think we should just decide it randomly with a 50/50 chance.

Can you please point me to a game where a D1 massclaim caught scum?

Fixed a thing

[Awaclus]

Well, we don't have any idea how good massclaim is because we don't know what the setup is, beyond what we know about our own roles. So we can't really make an informed decision. Scum is able to make a slightly more informed decision. That's why I think that if we just decide normally, scum is able to influence that decision, and then we make the decision that's most beneficial for scum, whichever it is. Instead, I think we should just decide it randomly with a 50/50 chance.

Can you please point me to a game where a D1 massclaim caught scum?

Fixed a thing

Why do you think this game is like other games? The setup is closed and it's an RMM.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Well, we don't have any idea how good massclaim is because we don't know what the setup is, beyond what we know about our own roles. So we can't really make an informed decision. Scum is able to make a slightly more informed decision. That's why I think that if we just decide normally, scum is able to influence that decision, and then we make the decision that's most beneficial for scum, whichever it is. Instead, I think we should just decide it randomly with a 50/50 chance.

Can you please point me to a game where a D1 massclaim caught scum?

Fixed a thing

Why do you think this game is like other games? The setup is closed and it's an RMM.

Are you saying this game of mafia is entirely unlike any other game of mafia?

[Awaclus]

Well, we don't have any idea how good massclaim is because we don't know what the setup is, beyond what we know about our own roles. So we can't really make an informed decision. Scum is able to make a slightly more informed decision. That's why I think that if we just decide normally, scum is able to influence that decision, and then we make the decision that's most beneficial for scum, whichever it is. Instead, I think we should just decide it randomly with a 50/50 chance.

Can you please point me to a game where a D1 massclaim caught scum?

Fixed a thing

Why do you think this game is like other games? The setup is closed and it's an RMM.

Are you saying this game of mafia is entirely unlike any other game of mafia?

No, I'm saying that we don't know what it's like.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Well, we don't have any idea how good massclaim is because we don't know what the setup is, beyond what we know about our own roles. So we can't really make an informed decision. Scum is able to make a slightly more informed decision. That's why I think that if we just decide normally, scum is able to influence that decision, and then we make the decision that's most beneficial for scum, whichever it is. Instead, I think we should just decide it randomly with a 50/50 chance.

Can you please point me to a game where a D1 massclaim caught scum?

Fixed a thing

Why do you think this game is like other games? The setup is closed and it's an RMM.

Are you saying this game of mafia is entirely unlike any other game of mafia?

No, I'm saying that we don't know what it's like.

I think we do know what it's like, given that it's labelled RMM instead of M, BM, or Z and the set-up is semiclosed, not closed.

[Awaclus]

Well, we don't have any idea how good massclaim is because we don't know what the setup is, beyond what we know about our own roles. So we can't really make an informed decision. Scum is able to make a slightly more informed decision. That's why I think that if we just decide normally, scum is able to influence that decision, and then we make the decision that's most beneficial for scum, whichever it is. Instead, I think we should just decide it randomly with a 50/50 chance.

Can you please point me to a game where a D1 massclaim caught scum?

Fixed a thing

Why do you think this game is like other games? The setup is closed and it's an RMM.

Are you saying this game of mafia is entirely unlike any other game of mafia?

No, I'm saying that we don't know what it's like.

I think we do know what it's like, given that it's labelled RMM instead of M, BM, or Z and the set-up is semiclosed, not closed.

No, it's closed. Semi means that the mod gives a list of possible roles that the actual setup is randomized from.

[Awaclus]

Eh, I guess faust says it's "semi-closed" in the OP. The actual setup is still pretty much just closed though.

[iguanaiguana]

Oh hey, I exist.  I should post a vla

[gkrieg13]

Eh, I guess faust says it's "semi-closed" in the OP. The actual setup is still pretty much just closed though.

I agree it is much closer to closed.

[gkrieg13]

vote: hydrad

I can’t decide if this fits your town meta or not.

[Hydrad]

Vote: gkrieg13

[EFHW]

Vote: gkrieg13

Based on what?

[Hydrad]

Vote: gkrieg13

Based on what?

I don't like the feeling I'm getting from him.

[Hydrad]

Hmm actually I guess its partly to do with how I feel hes been almost keeping most his comments in RVS I guess?

just feels odd.

[EFHW]

Hmm actually I guess its partly to do with how I feel hes been almost keeping most his comments in RVS I guess?

just feels odd.

You voted him right after he made an on task post.

[Eevee]

Hydrad seems towny. His contemplation reads genuine to me.

Also, I'm back!