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Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Full! Class starts soon)
« Reply #75 on: May 05, 2018, 06:21:14 am »

I don't like PR massclaim, but I'd be up for a draft order+quiz answers massclaim.

are you meaning we just claim like what position we were in for the draft?

I am meaning we claim what position we were in for the draft, and what answers we submitted.

Isn't this just a fullclaim?... hmm actually now that I think about it I see how this could be different then a fullclaim.

especially if we did like a random number generator to determine who claims first going by the position of the draft?

That could be interesting. I don't know if its good still but I'd be fine going for it.

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Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Full! Class starts soon)
« Reply #76 on: May 05, 2018, 06:23:43 am »

I don't like PR massclaim, but I'd be up for a draft order+quiz answers massclaim.

are you meaning we just claim like what position we were in for the draft?

I am meaning we claim what position we were in for the draft, and what answers we submitted.

This idea could have merit to it.
But I think probably one then the other, as it gives skum the best chance to hang themselves.

Yeah. I was thinking that we should post the guesses for most popular answers and the draft positions first, then the actual answers.
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Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Full! Class starts soon)
« Reply #77 on: May 05, 2018, 06:24:30 am »

Isn't this just a fullclaim?

No, we're not claiming what PRs we bid for.
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Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Full! Class starts soon)
« Reply #78 on: May 05, 2018, 06:26:30 am »

Isn't this just a fullclaim?

No, we're not claiming what PRs we bid for.

oh... nvm i see. I thought you meant at first what you bid for. but you mean what we drafted as. Ya I'm still ok with that.
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Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Full! Class starts soon)
« Reply #79 on: May 05, 2018, 06:26:51 am »

Isn't this just a fullclaim?

No, we're not claiming what PRs we bid for.

oh... nvm i see. I thought you meant at first what you bid for. but you mean what we drafted as. Ya I'm still ok with that.

err not drafted as. what we put on our tests.
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Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Full! Class starts soon)
« Reply #80 on: May 05, 2018, 08:03:49 am »

I came in last place in the draft order which was no surprise at all considering the subject matter. I bid one shot vig anyway so now I know for certain there is one in the game.
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Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Full! Class starts soon)
« Reply #81 on: May 05, 2018, 08:06:04 am »

D1 is the only time we can force everyone to claim their draft order and expect to be able to force them to be truthful, becuase after that we start losing players, and their answers become lost to the game. Not knowing all the answers means we can't re-evaluate the algorithm mcmc used to confirm everyone's draft position. The other upside of doing this now is that we have 13 slots and 13 players, meaning that there's zero uncertianty about whether to expect a given draft position to be present in the game.

Zero uncertainty about things is nice, but this is Mafia, so I think there are better tradeoffs that get more information into the game, because we're steeped in uncertainty anyway. Also, in later days, scums can take a gamble on claiming slots they think belonged to dead players, and we've seen that go wrong for them in the past, so that temptation might be a good reason to postpone the claim.

The obvious major downside of doing a draft claim now is that we out the people most likely to be powerful PRs, but it's not symmetric: scum can hide their PRs by claiming each other's slots to a certain extent, especially if they're organised enough to have swapped their critical question info in their QT N0. If faust is scum, they may well have done that, for example.

The draft claim is kind of a nice thing for scum to push early, because it sounds liek it has merit on the surface of it, probably enough that a low-placed VT might come out in support. The people most likely to be violently against it are the high-placed PRs, because they realise they're going to be outed without a chance to contribute to the game. So here's me being verbosely against in a self-aware style... hopefull that'll confuse the scums a bit :-)
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Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Full! Class starts soon)
« Reply #82 on: May 05, 2018, 08:08:13 am »

I came in last place in the draft order which was no surprise at all considering the subject matter. I bid one shot vig anyway so now I know for certain there is one in the game.

Claiming VT D1 is not super-townie because you're just taking yourself out of the possible pool of scum targets while upping the risk for all of the actual PRs :-(

I'd never heard of The Magicians till this game.
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Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Full! Class starts soon)
« Reply #83 on: May 05, 2018, 08:12:51 am »

Swan and Raptor know each other IRL. Worth pointing out for the people who haven't played with them before?

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Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Full! Class starts soon)
« Reply #84 on: May 05, 2018, 08:24:05 am »

I came in last place in the draft order which was no surprise at all considering the subject matter. I bid one shot vig anyway so now I know for certain there is one in the game.
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No you don't. Unless you're scum and your teammate is 1-shot vig. The slot being blocked could also be due to someone going for RB.
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Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Full! Class starts soon)
« Reply #85 on: May 05, 2018, 08:25:14 am »

Oh crap. Well you get what it was supposed to look like.

Completely unrelated, vote: Awaclus
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Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Full! Class starts soon)
« Reply #86 on: May 05, 2018, 08:27:12 am »

If faust is scum, they may well have done that, for example.
I'm not though!
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Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Full! Class starts soon)
« Reply #87 on: May 05, 2018, 08:39:32 am »

I came in last place in the draft order which was no surprise at all considering the subject matter. I bid one shot vig anyway so now I know for certain there is one in the game.
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No you don't. Unless you're scum and your teammate is 1-shot vig. The slot being blocked could also be due to someone going for RB.

Hm, it seems odd to me that scum can get Vig, but it doesn't say Town only.
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« Reply #88 on: May 05, 2018, 08:40:41 am »

Swan and Raptor know each other IRL. Worth pointing out for the people who haven't played with them before?

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I’m not claiming VT. Are you claiming one shot vig?
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Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #89 on: May 05, 2018, 09:10:32 am »

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Xxraptorslayer96 (1): Hydrad
Hydrad (1): Jimmmmm
Robz888 (1): schadd
schadd (1): Witherweaver
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Not Voting (8):  Robz888, 2.71828....., pingpongsam, DatSwan, Xxraptorslayer96, Cuzz, Awaclus, SpaceAnemonie

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Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Full! Class starts soon)
« Reply #90 on: May 05, 2018, 09:57:10 am »

Swan and Raptor know each other IRL. Worth pointing out for the people who haven't played with them before?

Also super-subtle early-game reminder: I use they/them pronouns by preference in here, or she/her if you really can't manage that. He/him will be met with grumpiness.

I’m not claiming VT. Are you claiming one shot vig?

Nope, not claiming any role at all. I read you sad saying that you knew it was in the game because you didn't get it, which seems to be how faust took it too. Though I now realise you getting the role in spite of being last in the draft is actually one way of knowing for sure it's there.
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Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Full! Class starts soon)
« Reply #91 on: May 05, 2018, 10:03:38 am »

I don't like PR massclaim, but I'd be up for a draft order+quiz answers massclaim.

No, this is bad. If we are going to claim stuff let's actually claim stuff
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« Reply #92 on: May 05, 2018, 10:07:24 am »

That being said, I don't like claiming until D3 or so
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Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Full! Class starts soon)
« Reply #93 on: May 05, 2018, 10:11:37 am »

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« Reply #94 on: May 05, 2018, 10:12:45 am »

I came in last place in the draft order which was no surprise at all considering the subject matter. I bid one shot vig anyway so now I know for certain there is one in the game.

You know for certain that slot was bid on. Could have been a roleblocker (however unlikely. Like, who takes roleblocker over vig?)
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« Reply #95 on: May 05, 2018, 10:14:19 am »

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Yes, I was caught as the SK in M100 through draft position claiming.  That was completely different than this draft
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« Reply #96 on: May 05, 2018, 10:39:40 am »

I came in last place in the draft order which was no surprise at all considering the subject matter. I bid one shot vig anyway so now I know for certain there is one in the game.

You know for certain that slot was bid on. Could have been a roleblocker (however unlikely. Like, who takes roleblocker over vig?)
Well, maybe pps is actually claiming 1-shot vig.
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Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Full! Class starts soon)
« Reply #97 on: May 05, 2018, 10:43:24 am »

I claim that I had also never heard of the Magicians and that Kingkiller Chronicle should have made the quiz.

Also my parents are visiting this weekend so I’m basically out till Monday.
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« Reply #98 on: May 05, 2018, 12:16:24 pm »

Vote: PPS

If he's a scum vig, great.

If he's scum who swapped claims with another scum, well he's still scum, great.

If he's town... well, I'd rather lose the vig than some other town PR.

If he's VT... meh.
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« Reply #99 on: May 05, 2018, 12:51:32 pm »

Vote: PPS

If he's a scum vig, great.

If he's scum who swapped claims with another scum, well he's still scum, great.

If he's town... well, I'd rather lose the vig than some other town PR.

If he's VT... meh.

So we lynch the least bad person rather than the most scummy. That usually works

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