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Let's Discuss Nocturne Cards: Tragic Hero

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Aleimon Thimble:
Because only two Nocturne cards have their own topic and that's kinda sad. Let's add some more topics now that we've had a bit of time to try these shiny new Nocturne cards.



So Tragic Hero. What do you think about it?

- With the mandatory trashing if you have 8 or more cards, is it more of a BM card than an engine card?
- How do you circumvent the drawback of having to trash it in an engine?
- When is the drawback actually a boon?
(- If the answer is 'almost never', is it strictly worse than Margrave?)

Holunder9:

--- Quote from: Aleimon Thimble on March 29, 2018, 05:05:41 am ---- With the mandatory trashing if you have 8 or more cards, is it more of a BM card than an engine card?
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Not necessarily, you just need to constantly buy more if you play a draw engine. You need some payload after all and the situational advantage of Tragic Hero is that you can sometimes draw into the gained Gold.


--- Quote ---- How do you circumvent the drawback of having to trash it in an engine?

--- End quote ---
Buy more, resurrect it via Lurker, Graverobber or Rogue, play it via Necromancer.


--- Quote ---- When is the drawback actually a boon?
(- If the answer is 'almost never', is it strictly worse than Margrave?)
--- End quote ---
If Fortune and Platinum are in the Kingdom or if your only source of decent payload is Gold.

aku_chi:

--- Quote from: Aleimon Thimble on March 29, 2018, 05:05:41 am ---- With the mandatory trashing if you have 8 or more cards, is it more of a BM card than an engine card?

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The amusing thing is that you usually can't activate the trash condition in a non-engine even if you would want to.


--- Quote from: Aleimon Thimble on March 29, 2018, 05:05:41 am ---- When is the drawback actually a boon?
(- If the answer is 'almost never', is it strictly worse than Margrave?)

--- End quote ---

Whenever there is supplemental draw and treasures are good.

faust:
You can quite easily circumvent the drawback by playing it late if you have an engine with few treasures. You're going to play your deck and then hopefully there will be less than 8 cards left that you cannot play. The fact that you can play it both early (for the draw) and late (mainly for the buy, but also you can probably utilize the overdraw) makes it quite decent.

faust:
And the drawback is actually a boon when you have an engine and want to add Gold as payload. Then getting a Tragic Hero to trash it and use the Gold in the next turn can easily be better than outright buying the Gold, and is also cheaper.

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