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[SpaceAnemone]

The only vig that can exist is a dayvig. The second night kill is, without exception, from an SK.

ok fine cool good note - i mean it changes nothing in regards to the context, but yeah i did not realize that.

I mean, I literally posted about the only vigging possibility being a dayvig back in early D2 at #561, because e (and apparently also gkrieg earlier than that, though I've forgotten those details now) had been talking like there were normal vigs.

I also suggested at that point that there's a chance it could be a "look how much I don't know what's going on" sort of thing. Just saying...

[O]

The only vig that can exist is a dayvig. The second night kill is, without exception, from an SK.

ok fine cool good note - i mean it changes nothing in regards to the context, but yeah i did not realize that.

I mean, I literally posted about the only vigging possibility being a dayvig back in early D2 at #561, because e (and apparently also gkrieg earlier than that, though I've forgotten those details now) had been talking like there were normal vigs.

I also suggested at that point that there's a chance it could be a "look how much I don't know what's going on" sort of thing. Just saying...

Right but either

1) He didn't read your post and so he's in the same position Gkrieg and e are/were in
2) He saw your post and thus knew it would be a pretty damn stupid idea to play the faked ignorance card

IMO

More importantly, which three of Me/Cuzz/Datswan/Gkrieg are this hypothetical scumteaming pushing town!Galz? Or are you going to push EFHW's argument that scum wouldn't hammer town!Galz here because its not technically an autowin.

[SpaceAnemone]

I want everyone not on Hydrad/Galzria to at least check in and tell me why my reasoning is flawed.

Because I believe there's a decent (say at least 40% chance) he's going to flip SK and make it either an instaloss for us, or pin everything on having a dayvig who's holding their shot for some kind of glorious D4...

The fact that the people not on Hydrad/Galzria aren't trying to get anyone else lynched is bad.  Suggest another option!

I'm voting you, and I've laid out a bunch of reasons why I think you're scummy. You also don't have to be scummier than Galz was, just less likely to cause the game to end.

[O]

But who is the scumteam?

[SpaceAnemone]

Right but either

1) He didn't read your post and so he's in the same position Gkrieg and e are/were in
2) He saw your post and thus knew it would be a pretty damn stupid idea to play the faked ignorance card

Or he was lazy and forgot. Though if he's in the same position as gkrieg, that's firmly in my "scum" bucket anyway.

More importantly, which three of Me/Cuzz/Datswan/Gkrieg are this hypothetical scumteaming pushing town!Galz?

I'm not saying he's town, I'm saying I think HydraGalz is just the wrong kind of scum. And of the four voting, you are the towniest imho. On reads alone, I would have maybe been more suspicious of EFHW than Swan, though.

As for EFHW's argument that you also mentioned, I think it has merit, in that we shouldn't make it so easy by saying "optimal scum play is X" and then townread people who do Y instead of X.

PPE 1

[iguanaiguana]

Vote count 3.12

Hydrad (4): gkrieg13, DatSwan, Cuzz, O (L-1)
gkrieg13 (2): Lalight, SpaceAnemone
Lalight (1): EFHW
DatSwan(1): Hydrad

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, April 25 at 8:30am forum time.

Mod Note: ~13 hours are left until deadline.

[Swowl]

Ok like at least one person not on the wagon has to be Town. You need to do something. Day ends in like 12 hours.

[O]

Less than 12..

[gkrieg13]

I feel like it is impossible that I’m on a town wagon with 3 scum, which means I’m 100% sure galz is scum.

The fact that people are going to let this go to a no lynch is ridiculous. I mean galzria posted himself that we are most likely at real MYLO. I guess the only other option is that SK knows who mafia is from shooting them last night and hitting the hidden commuter or something?

Ugh this is immensely frustrating.

[O]

Things are really dragging here. vote: Lalight

The keep it simple, stupid answer is that LaLight is the remaining non-mafia off the wagon and EFHW and Space are Galzria's scum-buddies. This is pretty sucky because LaLight just replaced in and also scumreads me and you gkrieg.

[LaLight]

OK, gkrieg maybe scum but he makes a lot of sense. Sorry, Hydrad, that we played so little, vote: Hydrad

[Hydrad]

Unfortunate.

[O]

Does suck to replace in and immediately get lynched 

Blame your scummates + Galz for it (I hope, and assume).

[Hydrad]

Does suck to replace in and immediately get lynched 

Blame your scummates + Galz for it (I hope, and assume).

nah thats fine. I also didn't do a very convincing job to try to live.

also I still think swan is scum.

[Swowl]

Does suck to replace in and immediately get lynched 

Blame your scummates + Galz for it (I hope, and assume).

nah thats fine. I also didn't do a very convincing job to try to live.

also I still think swan is scum.

either you are wrong as town, a vindictive SK (still wrong), or Mafia in which case whatever, say what you will.

[Swowl]

SK - bro/broseph... probably shoot EFHW or LL. Gives you the best chance.

[Swowl]

LL prob SK
EFHW prob mafia.

[Swowl]

and as much as it sucks a massive.... if we around at the end the choice is prob GK or O.

[EFHW]

What if scum are offering up their teammate Galzria for towncred? That would explain Galzria's absence and put FOS on DatSwan in particular,  also gkrieg.

Again, we will know that if/when Galz would be lynched. If he's scum, it's still better to lynch him before DS and/or gkrieg

@Lalight
Why were you reluctant to hammer?

[LaLight]

What if scum are offering up their teammate Galzria for towncred? That would explain Galzria's absence and put FOS on DatSwan in particular,  also gkrieg.

Again, we will know that if/when Galz would be lynched. If he's scum, it's still better to lynch him before DS and/or gkrieg

@Lalight
Why were you reluctant to hammer?

well, mostly I still thought gkrieg has more probability to be scum, other than that I am a little bit worried that I just lost us a game and I decided to wait until the end of day, also giving Hydrad a chance to say something which would be valuable if he's scum.

[iguanaiguana]

And if I was some little swallow
had little wings and I could fly,
I'd drop out of sight of my own true lover
and there I'd sit 'til the day I die.

Day 3 Final Vote Count

Hydrad (5): gkrieg13, DatSwan, Cuzz, O, Lalight
gkrieg13 (1): SpaceAnemone
Lalight (1): EFHW
DatSwan(1): Hydrad

Thread Locked.

[iguanaiguana]

By the back room the kids all waited
to meet the man in bright green
who had dreamed up the dream
that they wrecked their hearts upon.
He's the liar who lied in his pop song.
And you're lying when you sing along.
And you're lying when you sing along.

Hydrad was the liar who lied in his song, a mafia roleblocker.


And I have seen the world of dreams
Fresh-flown through the trees then dropped off at the curb
Alive, I've seen the world awake
And I don't know which I deserve

Night Three begins now and last until April 28 at ~8:00AM forum time. Night actions are due by April 28 at 12:30AM.

[iguanaiguana]

I start a shift at work at 830am tomorrow morning, so the night phase will end and day phase will start 30 minutes early at 800am forum time.

[iguanaiguana]

Do you stop and stare, struck dumb, hands shaking, washed
by this constant, panicked wishing for what's lost?

Day 4 Starts now!

Vote count 4.0

not voting (7): Lalight, DatSwan, SpaceAnemone, Cuzz, EFHW, O, Gkrieg13

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends Saturday, May 5 at 8:10am forum time.

Thread unlocked!

[LaLight]

wow awesome!