You did one reread and decided that I was the scummiest person?
You were the top scum-candidate on my mind at that moment. I think that you, EFHW and Galz all have scumpoints going for you, but you don't make a sound scumteam because otherwise the end of D2 would be too weird, with you all voting one after another. There are possible scum-pairs and scum-trios with each of you, though.
As far as reading you goes, I think the main things that ring bells are:
* How prepared you came into each of the new days. I know you've argued against that already, but for me it still feels off.
I didn't come prepared. If you look at the time that I posted, there is plenty of time for me to think about what happened.
* Related to the first point, but you being a strong later-game player and still being alive in the first place might indicate that you have fewer factions who might want to kill you than most.
This is a bad argument. There are still many people alive that are strong players. And the people who have died (e, mcmc, faust) are generally regarded as strong players as well.
* Trying to steer the game towards a massclaim without good justification of how it helps town. I think statistically speaking, there are some justifications, and you're someone who should have been able to find those, but you didn't, which makes me wonder if you're really wanting a massclaim for a townie reason.
I already gave my justification. It would help us because we are at MYLO. Having another IC would help us, and it is possible that we would have a 1v1, which is easier to analyze than the situation we are in right now.
* You make a point about potentially having a role we can't have in the game, which felt a lot like a scum who knows more than we do about the setup trying to cover his tracks and pretend to know less, but forgetting exactly what town knows and going too far in the wrong direction.
Where did I show that I had more information so that I actually needed to cover my tracks? I just realized what you are talking about, becasue I thought the SK carried down for all of those letters.
* You've become quite defensive and direct about challenging people who express any sort scumread on you, even though you're not even the leading wagon, which seems quite jumpy.
We are at MYLO. It doesn't matter if I am the leading wagon or whatever, if I get two votes on me from town, mafia could quickhammer me for the win. It is also pretty much the only thing that is being talked about, and the day ends fairly soon. I haven't even been that defensive. People have expressed scumreads on me for no reason. I even got a vote for a horrible reason, which has now been backed up with more vague reasoning. I also thought that TWM was town, and that means that LaLight voting for me could potentially lose us the game. Also, O, you, and LaLight have expressed scumreads on me. The point is that I want to stop this before it gets momentum so that we can actually lynch scum.
Other more minor contributing factors:
* The extra wifom you planted around the possibility of losing mcmc before it happened.
I would never do this as scum.
* Two of the players you voted quite briefly in D1 are still alive (Galz and Swan), so one or other (maybe not both) of those make decent light buses for D1.
That only makes sense if galz and swan are scum, which means that this is extremely circumstantial evidence, the kind of evidence LaLight is basing his vote on me for.
* You ended up as the first-placed player on the IDP wagon in spite of saying earlier that he was townie.
I did think he was townie, then thought his later posts were scummy. That is how this game works, especially D1.
* You spent much of D2 voting O, who I think is being townie.
How is O being townie?
* You were also on the Robz misslynch, and while he was being undeniably off in his play, I still think we'll find scum pushing him too.
You basically answer this one for yourself. He was being scummy.
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That bolding thing makes responses a bit hard to go back and add inline without mess!
Anyway,
I think you're a strong player, so the fact you're still here makes me a little more cautious about how I'm reading you. I can't argue about who else you might think is strong, but I'd certainly worry more about you than someone like e.
You didn't specifically show you have more information than I do, but by going down the "it's even possible that we have X" route, where it's not actually possible that we have X, it makes sense that you might get there as scum because you're overcompensating for the extra knowledge you probably have. I don't know exactly what you know about the rest of the setup, though!
I never said I thought that you are scum with Galz and Swan, I said that if one or other might be a decent place to look for light D1 bussing. You were the one who brought up looking for scum pairs as a way of catching scum here, and it's a technique I generally agree with. I'm not bad at spotting anomalies in wagons, I think, since I reformat every ongoing game into a series of wagons and add colour where possible, but this game hasn't given me a lot to work with. There are a lot of possible scum-pairings based on early-game interactions or lack of interactions.
How is O being non-towny? (Apologies for channeling Awaclus, but it feels like a relevant question in response to yours!).
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