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[LaLight]

I'm ready to vote: Lalight, but I won't object to no lynch.

Wow this is scummy!

How is that scummy?

Why would we lynch anyone today if we can do it tomorrow with higher chances?

[LaLight]

Also well. The only real reason she would do it is if she’s scum. vote: EFHW

[LaLight]

I contradict myself because i react first then think

[EFHW]

I'm ready to vote: Lalight, but I won't object to no lynch.

Wow this is scummy!

How is that scummy?

Why would we lynch anyone today if we can do it tomorrow with higher chances?

I've decided I would vote for you tomorrow, too. Those who want better odds, who are less sure, should go no lynch. That's ok with me, too.

[Swowl]

welp that worked better than expected.
GL tomorrow GK.

Vote: No Lynch

[gkrieg13]

welp that worked better than expected.
GL tomorrow GK.

Vote: No Lynch

Which one would you vote for if you had to choose right now?

[Swowl]

welp that worked better than expected.
GL tomorrow GK.

Vote: No Lynch

Which one would you vote for if you had to choose right now?

because of the below post I honestly just don't know anymore:

I find it very unlikely that scum!gkrieg would fake claim BP in that situation. It's risky, and what does it get him? Maybe town!cred, but any other PR among town would have made it clear he was lying, or at least brought a lot of lasting suspicion.

if you think so, then it worked

My point is that it only seems to have worked because there was no counterclaim. Scum!gkrieg would know he was at very high risk of being counterclaimed.

Would like to point out that at the end of D4 (when GK claimed) that if they were in 2-T (which skum!GK would know of course), all they need to do given the roles is find 3 Town PRs and then of course there is the last S which is the Skum they know exists. From any town perspective, prior to the claim, all we know is that it is 0, 1, or 2 Ts.

If it is Skum!GK fake claim and they are sitting at 0T then yeah high chance of a CC.
If it is SKum!GK fake claim and they are sitting at 1T then yeah high chance of a CC.
But....
If it is Skum!GK fake claim and they are sitting at 1T... there is literally a 0% chance of fake claim.
UB
Un Named Tracker
Drunk
SK

Add those up, that's 4 letters. If there are 6 total then 6-4 = the 2 Ts they have so they have the game solved. BUT ONLY THEY HAVE THE GAME SOLVED. To Everyone else, it is up in the air. Go look at the letter combinations, its easy to see they knew there was no added W and there are multiple ways to which mix up the letters to make one more BP come into play without adding said W (only mentioned because that is what would complicate things).



Allllllllll that being said. I find it equally suspicious for someone to be in the mindset of not thinking this through (meaning possibly EFHW is skum and it is a 1T set up and they knew there was another role so they chose not to try a fake claim bc of CC options).... as it is that the above could possibly be a thing.

[Swowl]

Also in safe fake claim scenario Skum!GK also knows who the SK is at this point, but obv doesn't want the tracker or the SK to remain alive.
By claiming they would shield the Tracker it kind of forces SK into a spot to have to shoot there (even on a double shoot), just to ensure that the Tracker dies.

Since GK in this scenario would of course know they are not BPd, and they would also know to a like 99% certainty who the SK was, he could kill two birds with one stone.


Again, not saying it is a thing, just saying it could of been a plan.

[EFHW]

I was assuming the 1T scenario since that is what we seem to have.

[EFHW]

I was assuming the 1T scenario since that is what we seem to have.

But that is with me believing gkrieg. I guess scum!gkrieg could make use of a 2T situation that way. My mistaken assumption makes gkrieg look scummier. I don't see how it makes me scummier. It's not like we could be partners.

[iguanaiguana]

And I've got nothing smart to say
to wrap it up, to come to close.
I hardly see beyond my nose.
And I've got no idea of
what you've been through
or had to do
or rose above.
But brother, I believe in love.

Day 5 Final Vote Count

No Lynch (2): gkrieg13, DatSwan
Lalight (1): EFHW
EFHW (1): Lalight


With four alive, it would have taken three to lynch. Night 5 starts now and last until May 12 at 8:45PM Forum time.   

Thread locked!

[iguanaiguana]

Standard rules indicate that the night will last until May 12 at 8:45PM forum time. However, if everyone posts a note in their QT stating that they will accept a shorter night phase, I will start Day 6 tomorrow on May 11 at 8:45PM forum time instead.

[iguanaiguana]

Meriden months stuck in Indian summers
and Dad's on the line, but I'm fine.
"Here's the phone..."
Oh, it's floating away,
going away, on the tide.

Day 6 starts now!

Vote count 6.0

not voting (4): Lalight, DatSwan, EFHW, Gkrieg13

With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Day 6 ends Friday, May 18 at 9:00pm forum time.

Thread unlocked!

[Swowl]

Ha

[gkrieg13]

Welp I thought that might happen. what are the no lynch no kill rules?

[EFHW]

3 of each, town wins.

[iguanaiguana]

Three rounds of no lynch no kill result in a town win.

[Swowl]

So from my understanding this could mean a few things:

1) Mafia shot Town, but Town had BP - I (or someone, but assuming me) was the target last night and I in fact did have a BP shield on me.

2) Mafia chose not to shoot knowing that no one is BPd currently - This could be because they did in fact shoot me N3 and I did not die, or it could be because GK is lying.

3) Mafia chose not to shoot knowing that it is highly probable (or in some scenarios 100% known to them) that a Town Player is BPd. - This one doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.


Scenario 1 is probably most likely.
Scenario 3 is probably least likely.
Scenario 2 is somewhere in the middle.

The hang up I am having, and please feel free to throw ideas out there in regards to this... but the issue I am having is regarding the choice to not shoot someone. The only way I can keep this straight is to think from my own perspective, so that is how the below is written:

Skum Motivation for Shooting Swan

1) Get rid of BP shield.
2) Try to kill a player (assuming Swan)
3) Just being fair - removing me from the lynch pool that I would never be put in, is obviously beneficial with 4 left. Especially with the doubt I casted on GK yesterday.


Skum Motivation for NOT Shooting ANYONE

1) GK is Skum - trying to sell himself more as the BP.
2) Skum tried to kill me Night 3, and does not include GK - They know GK is telling the truth, but if they kill me it kind of conf!towns him.


Lots of avenues. Because of the 3 round Town Win rule... I may actually be a fan of going no lynch again.

[LaLight]

Well, that’s not weird at all.

On a bright side we have a lot more time to talk now

[gkrieg13]

So from my understanding this could mean a few things:

1) Mafia shot Town, but Town had BP - I (or someone, but assuming me) was the target last night and I in fact did have a BP shield on me.

2) Mafia chose not to shoot knowing that no one is BPd currently - This could be because they did in fact shoot me N3 and I did not die, or it could be because GK is lying.

3) Mafia chose not to shoot knowing that it is highly probable (or in some scenarios 100% known to them) that a Town Player is BPd. - This one doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.


Scenario 1 is probably most likely.
Scenario 3 is probably least likely.
Scenario 2 is somewhere in the middle.

The hang up I am having, and please feel free to throw ideas out there in regards to this... but the issue I am having is regarding the choice to not shoot someone. The only way I can keep this straight is to think from my own perspective, so that is how the below is written:

Skum Motivation for Shooting Swan

1) Get rid of BP shield.
2) Try to kill a player (assuming Swan)
3) Just being fair - removing me from the lynch pool that I would never be put in, is obviously beneficial with 4 left. Especially with the doubt I casted on GK yesterday.


Skum Motivation for NOT Shooting ANYONE

1) GK is Skum - trying to sell himself more as the BP.
2) Skum tried to kill me Night 3, and does not include GK - They know GK is telling the truth, but if they kill me it kind of conf!towns him.


Lots of avenues. Because of the 3 round Town Win rule... I may actually be a fan of going no lynch again.

I like this analysis and i think it definitely points to no lynching again.

[EFHW]

Nothing has changed for me. Fine with LL or no lynch.

[gkrieg13]

Yeah vote: no lynch

[Swowl]

fuck it.
I have made up my mind.

Vote Gkrieg13

Every scenario I can come up with that puts EFHW/LL as skum comes down to they either shoot GK last night and then I go 50-50 today, or they shoot me last night (or don't shoot if I was shot at N3), to then kill me tonight and go 50-50 with the other vs GK instead.

I guess I might beezy out and go back to no vote... maybe... but it seems like it makes the most sense.

[Swowl]

Vote: Gkrieg13

Proper format - sorry.

[gkrieg13]

fuck it.
I have made up my mind.

Vote Gkrieg13

Every scenario I can come up with that puts EFHW/LL as skum comes down to they either shoot GK last night and then I go 50-50 today, or they shoot me last night (or don't shoot if I was shot at N3), to then kill me tonight and go 50-50 with the other vs GK instead.

I guess I might beezy out and go back to no vote... maybe... but it seems like it makes the most sense.

It seems to me like you are abandoning your reads and going with just my role and what you think happened last night.

More evidence of me being a bulletproofer is that O actually killed Cuzz. That means he must have known I had used up my shot already from trying to shoot you the night before. Or he just figured mafia would shoot Cuzz as well to get the tracker killed.