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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2020, 04:15:32 pm »
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Just bought this recently for Switch; but dunno when I'll actually start it. Haven't actually touched the Switch in a couple months. Lots of movies to watch.

I'd recommend trying it when you have a fair chunk of time available. Hollow Knight is a very bingeable game.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2021, 11:07:10 pm »
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Just bought this recently for Switch; but dunno when I'll actually start it. Haven't actually touched the Switch in a couple months. Lots of movies to watch.

And finally just now started it! Loving it so far. Not very far, I assume anyway. Definitely quite tough, but thatís the sort of thing I like, given that I beat every level of Celeste. A couple different bosses have taken me dozens of tries to finally beat.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2021, 10:58:14 am »
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Just bought this recently for Switch; but dunno when I'll actually start it. Haven't actually touched the Switch in a couple months. Lots of movies to watch.

And finally just now started it! Loving it so far. Not very far, I assume anyway. Definitely quite tough, but thatís the sort of thing I like, given that I beat every level of Celeste. A couple different bosses have taken me dozens of tries to finally beat.

My advice for the early-ish game: don't attempt to defeat the Mantis Lords until you've upgraded your nail at least once.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2021, 11:36:16 am »
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Just bought this recently for Switch; but dunno when I'll actually start it. Haven't actually touched the Switch in a couple months. Lots of movies to watch.

And finally just now started it! Loving it so far. Not very far, I assume anyway. Definitely quite tough, but thatís the sort of thing I like, given that I beat every level of Celeste. A couple different bosses have taken me dozens of tries to finally beat.

My advice for the early-ish game: don't attempt to defeat the Mantis Lords until you've upgraded your nail at least once.

That's pretty much right where I am. I got to that boss but luckily it was late and I didn't have time to try and grind out beating them, so I just left it alone. Then got the first nail upgrade shortly after.

I did spend way too long finally beating Brooding Mawlek with only the starting nail; which is annoying knowing that I could have done it after an upgrade and had a much easier time.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2021, 04:03:02 pm »
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Many play sessions later and I still haven't gone back to fight them, because there's just so much stuff to explore that I haven't had to. I will soon though; since I just got the stuff needed for a level 4 nail.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2021, 10:58:19 pm »
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Many play sessions later and I still haven't gone back to fight them, because there's just so much stuff to explore that I haven't had to. I will soon though; since I just got the stuff needed for a level 4 nail.

Two things about beating the Mantis Lords.

1. When you've done so, it opens up an area within the lower part of the mantis village (right side) that includes a bench (I think) and a very useful charm. I didn't realize this until much later in my first playthrough, and I wish I had.
2. Just past the gate the Mantis Lords are guarding is a mask shard, so if you need just one more shard to complete a mask, now might be a pretty good time to fight them. It shouldn't be too hard with a nail that strong.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2021, 04:07:07 pm »
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Many play sessions later and I still haven't gone back to fight them, because there's just so much stuff to explore that I haven't had to. I will soon though; since I just got the stuff needed for a level 4 nail.

Two things about beating the Mantis Lords.

1. When you've done so, it opens up an area within the lower part of the mantis village (right side) that includes a bench (I think) and a very useful charm. I didn't realize this until much later in my first playthrough, and I wish I had.
2. Just past the gate the Mantis Lords are guarding is a mask shard, so if you need just one more shard to complete a mask, now might be a pretty good time to fight them. It shouldn't be too hard with a nail that strong.

I beat them without much trouble; though it still was about 5 attempts. I had that mask shard you're talking about already though; you can get it by going through Deep Nest instead.

At this point I've explored the vast majority of places; most of what's left is a handful of bosses I know about, and then all sorts of really late-game stuff I've seen referenced but not encountered yet.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2021, 08:25:01 am »
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I have to assume LFN's comment about the shard was a bait to get you to fall into the Deepnest. One of the most memorable parts of the game for me was getting there a bit early (before crystal mines) and unprepared (nail 2 at most), and having to do a really, really long treck back to civilization (through the tram to the ancient basin, then Kingdom edge and finally eastern City of Tears before the next stag station, if you don't think to go to the distant village)
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2021, 09:33:56 am »
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I have to assume LFN's comment about the shard was a bait to get you to fall into the Deepnest. One of the most memorable parts of the game for me was getting there a bit early (before crystal mines) and unprepared (nail 2 at most), and having to do a really, really long treck back to civilization (through the tram to the ancient basin, then Kingdom edge and finally eastern City of Tears before the next stag station, if you don't think to go to the distant village)

In general any time I went to a new map area, if I noticed that the most common enemies were taking 4 hits to kill, I immediately left instead of exploring that area.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2021, 03:16:41 pm »
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I have to assume LFN's comment about the shard was a bait to get you to fall into the Deepnest. One of the most memorable parts of the game for me was getting there a bit early (before crystal mines) and unprepared (nail 2 at most), and having to do a really, really long treck back to civilization (through the tram to the ancient basin, then Kingdom edge and finally eastern City of Tears before the next stag station, if you don't think to go to the distant village)

No, I wasn't attempting to trick anybody. I honestly thought that was the only way to get that shard. I didn't think it was accessible from underneath.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2021, 09:36:38 am »
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Just finished the third coliseum of fools challenge. That was brutal. About 2 straight hours dying to it. And in the end I only beat it by taking a break to go get the Weaversong charm and basically cheesing a few of the later fights with it.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2021, 11:17:17 am »
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Just finished the third coliseum of fools challenge. That was brutal. About 2 straight hours dying to it. And in the end I only beat it by taking a break to go get the Weaversong charm and basically cheesing a few of the later fights with it.
Oh I also just did that on the weekend.

My cheese solution for the final fight was Hiveblood; they can't reach you when you're far enough up on the wall, so you can always regenerate there.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2021, 12:09:46 pm »
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Just finished the third coliseum of fools challenge. That was brutal. About 2 straight hours dying to it. And in the end I only beat it by taking a break to go get the Weaversong charm and basically cheesing a few of the later fights with it.
Oh I also just did that on the weekend.

My cheese solution for the final fight was Hiveblood; they can't reach you when you're far enough up on the wall, so you can always regenerate there.

Yeah that's quite similar to the Weaversong strat; you stay up high on the wall and your minions go down and (very slightly) hurt the enemies while collecting soul.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2021, 10:51:03 am »
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I beat the game; bad ending at least. 104% so far.

Just got the Kingsoul to work towards the other endings. The White Palace wasn't all too bad. With Hiveblood and Grubsong there's no danger of actually dying. Funny thing though, I thought that was the Path of Pain that I'd heard so much about; until I finished it and then found the actual Path of Pain.

Now working through PoP. The fact that they give you checkpoints makes it not as hard as I was expecting; the level of difficulty I was expecting would be basically if you had to do the whole thing without getting hit once. I'm up to the final checkpoint now; just one corridor to go. Took about 3 hours to get that far; had to stop for the night. Thank goodness for Switch's sleep feature; since saving and quitting would make me have to re-do the whole thing.

Also did most of the Grimm Troupe quest; now just need to beat Nightmare King Grimm... I tried a bit and didn't come close at all; but haven't spent much time grinding it out yet.

I don't know for sure how much of the Godseeker stuff I'll do. I unlocked it but haven't started it yet. Fighting a bunch of bosses in a row without checkpoints sounds like more grinding than I'd be willing to do.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2021, 10:43:29 am »
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Final corridor of Path of Pain took about an hour. Not too bad as a whole, but really took awhile just to get into the rhythm of the first few jumps.

Then went ahead and got Void Heart and the second "bad" ending. Also finished the Hunter's Journal (the normal 100% that's required to get the Hunter's Mark; there's a handful of additional entries that count only as "extra" entries).

And we killed the mender bug, which was by far the most tedious part of the game so far... 2% chance for it to show up when reloading the room; and we had worse than average luck with far more than 50 attempts. Still, his journal entry is just hilarious in a tragic way.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2021, 04:17:01 am »
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The pantheons unlock 4 new bosses and remixes of many others. First three pantheons are honestly not too bad (but unlikely to beat them first try just due to how theyíre structured), so I would say try those and see. Fourth is hard but unlocks arguably the best boss in the game. Fifth is an insane time commitment, but itís not like you have to do it to enjoy the others.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2021, 06:32:52 pm »
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The pantheons unlock 4 new bosses and remixes of many others. First three pantheons are honestly not too bad (but unlikely to beat them first try just due to how theyíre structured), so I would say try those and see. Fourth is hard but unlocks arguably the best boss in the game. Fifth is an insane time commitment, but itís not like you have to do it to enjoy the others.

Thatís kind of what I was thinking. Iíll for sure try them and see how it goes; but thereís a limit to how much time Iím willing to grind; especially when itís the type of thing that makes you re-do a lot of stuff to get back to where you failed.

But speaking of hard grindsÖ I just beat Nightmare King Grimm!! Holy hell that was a hard fight. Spent 8 straight hours last night grinding away; could only get him down to 50% health in that time. Back to it today; took about another 4 hours to finally finish it off. It was crazy but fun.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #42 on: November 29, 2021, 09:51:40 am »
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This is the sort of time commitment for people who don't have children. It's a shame I'll likely never 100% this game.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #43 on: November 29, 2021, 10:32:37 am »
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This is the sort of time commitment for people who don't have children. It's a shame I'll likely never 100% this game.

Even with more time; I donít have the patience for it either. I canít do what the speedrunners and streamers do; where they can play the exact same thing over and over again including the easier parts just to get to the hard part. Iíll grind out any single tough boss fight; but if it takes a long time just to get back to that boss fight after each failure, Iím out. Same reason why I wonít do golden berries in Celeste even though I 100%íd it otherwise.

Related; been watching Barberous Kingís HK playthrough from last year and he just beat the third colosseum. He hated it because of the huge amount of stuff you have to re-do just to get back to the hard parts at the end.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #44 on: December 01, 2021, 06:55:40 pm »
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For what it's worth, that's what the Hall of Gods is good for. Just practice the bosses you struggle with until you can beat them in Ascended, they'll feel easy in the pantheon afterwards. I found that to be less frustrating than grinding the pantheon itself.

By the way, did you find the uh secret "pantheon"?

EDIT: Oh, just saw they were complaining about the *colosseum*, not the pantheons. Yeah, the third one is a bit frustrating in that sense, and probably why most people just end up "cheesing" it.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #45 on: December 07, 2021, 11:29:20 am »
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Finally got into the Pantheons, after finishing everything else completely. Including starting a separate save file to get the 3 achievements that are mutually exclusive with other achievements so couldn't be gotten on my main save file.

Got through the first 2 without too much trouble. Pantheon 3 is getting me stuck, and I'm fairly certain that I won't ever be beating 4 or 5.

Went on to try and get the true ending for now. Getting stuck on Radiance, but it doesn't seem like it will be all too bad. It's annoying to have to fight Hollow Knight every time, though at this point with the right charm build, it doesn't take long at all and has very little chance of dying there.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #46 on: December 07, 2021, 04:28:18 pm »
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I never did beat the Radiance. I can't remember how many times I tried, since it was years ago now.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #47 on: December 07, 2021, 09:00:38 pm »
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Oh, I had forgotten that Zote is in the 3rd pantheon, I thought that was in the 4th (though in hindsight I'm glad it wasn't). Yeah, that automatically makes it a hard pantheon too. I'm... not a huge fan of that fight.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #48 on: December 08, 2021, 09:19:51 am »
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By the way, did you find the uh secret "pantheon"?

Assuming you mean Eternal Ordeal? I had to look it up; never would have found it on my own. But yeah I played it some; got to 40. Not going to keep grinding for 57.

I beat Radiance last night. Also tried a few more attempts at Pantheon 3 but no luck. I'm officially done with the game now; stuck at 110% completion. Ended up spending over 120 hours on it total; insane.
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Re: Hollow Knight
« Reply #49 on: December 08, 2021, 09:23:31 am »
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Mostly I just want to discuss the lore now, which, true to its Dark Souls inspiration, is mostly just implied throughout, rarely stated outright. And some parts of it are currently obsessing me. Like, what are the crimes that the Moth tribe/the Seer committed, for which the Seer is still making penance?

I think that it was mainly the fact that the Radiance was the god of the Moth tribe.  The moths probably still worshiped the Radiance and not the Pale King, which he didn't like.

Actually from what I've read/watched about the lore; it's the exact opposite. They turned their back on Radiance to worship Pale King instead; but Radiance was too powerful to just be forgotten about so it started to invade everyone's minds, aka the infection.
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