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[theorel]

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Why these players? I am voting Joseph, MC is also Joseph and the two of you are not fuefingbyet at this point, Awaclus isn’t voting, PPS is on Theroel, and Theroel is on MC.

This is super weird. Clearly you are pushing Galz at this point - but you never mention either of the players voting Joseph. Why not ask us to hop on the wagon too?

[theorel]

I feel like the Galz-TWM thing is Galz antagonizing TWM, and TWM reacting to being antagonized.  I'm not getting anything alignment-useful from that interaction, mostly it just makes me uncomfortable, and I would rather games not go in that direction.  To me this situation should be defused not just by TWM not getting so riled up, but also by Galz not intentionally riling him up.  At some point in that conversation it could have been unintentional, but it hit a point where it just seems rude to me.

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Regarding the substance of the argument.  I think that what actually happened (after looking back at the game) in smash bros is that Robz came out early for a mass-claim, and mcmc voted for him for it, and everyone else just ignored it and went forward with the claim (he did not get town-cred for it).  Later in that same game, O did something scummy (blocked a potential doctor), and got town-cred for it.  I think mcmc combined these things into a scum pushes mass-claim (which is scummy), and gets town-cred.  (I think it especially impacted mcmc because he found Robz scummy for it in Smash Bros, but didn't push it enough).

Enter this game, and someone pushes mass-claim.  I think an mcmc of either alignment sees that and reacts to it.  (either as scum seeing it as a good reason for framing, or as town seeing it and not wanting to let it get away this time).

Now maybe my perspective is off, I didn't review Lost (where TWM said this happened as well).  I don't know of any other recent games where this may have happened.  I already mentioned Gilmore Girls, where silver claimed mime as scum, which could be viewed as scum doing something scummy (though not pushing mass-claim).

Anyways, that's my 2 cents.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

vote: galz
vote: galz
vote: galz

Hey Robz vote: galz

space, you sometimes listen to me, what you think about vote: galz?

schadd? Go vote: galz

WW - come vote: galz with me.

v ote: twm this is outrageous

Haha. Your vote doesn't count!

And don't be my mom. I'll chill when I want to chill.

Vote: mcmc

"look at me, I'm twm and I commit to votes off antagonism and emotion as opposed to reads, aren't I so towny"

Please stop. I am asking civilly and politely.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I am taking a 24 hour break from this game. Allowed per rules. I'll be back then

[Witherweaver]

We should remember scum has daychat

What was your thinking when you posted this?

[Witherweaver]

BTW, faust and his partner are staying with me from tomorrow till Thursday next week, so I might be more distracted by real life than usual :-)

Sounds scummy.

[Joseph2302]

We should remember scum has daychat

What was your thinking when you posted this?

Presumably that scum are using their daychat.

Although it's be an interesting twist if TWM & Galzria are the 2 scum, and they planned a massive argument....

[Witherweaver]

Everyone loves answering for McMc this game!

[EFHW]

"What about me?" [Min's] grin stopped just short of outright laughter. "The same kind of things as the rest. A sword that isn't a sword, a golden crown of laurel leaves, a beggar's staff, you pouring water on sand, a bloody hand and a white-hot iron, three women standing over a funeral bier with you on it, black rock wet with blood--." "All right, ... you don't have to list it all."

Vote Count 1.3

Joseph2302 (2): mcmcsalot, DatSwan
Witherweaver (2): schadd, Galzria
mcmcsalot(4): Witherweaver, theorel, SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant
theorel (1): pingpongsam
schadd (1): Joseph2302

Not voting (2): Awaclus, Robz888

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends Sunday, March 18th at 4:45 p.m. Forum time.

[EFHW]

v ote: twm this is outrageous

This vote not counted.

[Swowl]

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Why these players? I am voting Joseph, MC is also Joseph and the two of you are not fuefingbyet at this point, Awaclus isn’t voting, PPS is on Theroel, and Theroel is on MC.

This is super weird. Clearly you are pushing Galz at this point - but you never mention either of the players voting Joseph. Why not ask us to hop on the wagon too?

ha. I think "feuding yet" ?

[Galzria]

We should remember scum has daychat

What was your thinking when you posted this?

Presumably that scum are using their daychat.

Although it's be an interesting twist if TWM & Galzria are the 2 scum, and they planned a massive argument....

Plot twist!

[SpaceAnemone]

hey space if u r town can u magically communicate this fact to me as you often do

Um.. How about I accidentally switch into lurk mode because faust and his partner are here, and my lodger and I have been teaching them to play Space Alert IRL? :-)

[SpaceAnemone]

I think I want to Vote: schadd right now

The "I think I want to" and "right now" portions of that message aren't exactly providing a lot of constructive logic or case beyond the naked vote...

I like this

Okay, good, but you're still looking a likely lynch candidate unless someone offers up something pretty significant in the next 32-ish hours. None of the things you said in this slew of posts really added much to the game.

On deadlines, I'm likely to be mostly-unavailable from an hour or more before deadline because of plans with faust et al.

[Swowl]

Everyone loves answering for McMc this game!

Just kind of seems to be Joseph doing it actually i think.

[Swowl]

I feel like the Galz-TWM thing is Galz antagonizing TWM, and TWM reacting to being antagonized.  I'm not getting anything alignment-useful from that interaction, mostly it just makes me uncomfortable, and I would rather games not go in that direction.  To me this situation should be defused not just by TWM not getting so riled up, but also by Galz not intentionally riling him up.  At some point in that conversation it could have been unintentional, but it hit a point where it just seems rude to me.

---
Regarding the substance of the argument.  I think that what actually happened (after looking back at the game) in smash bros is that Robz came out early for a mass-claim, and mcmc voted for him for it, and everyone else just ignored it and went forward with the claim (he did not get town-cred for it).  Later in that same game, O did something scummy (blocked a potential doctor), and got town-cred for it.  I think mcmc combined these things into a scum pushes mass-claim (which is scummy), and gets town-cred.  (I think it especially impacted mcmc because he found Robz scummy for it in Smash Bros, but didn't push it enough).

Enter this game, and someone pushes mass-claim.  I think an mcmc of either alignment sees that and reacts to it.  (either as scum seeing it as a good reason for framing, or as town seeing it and not wanting to let it get away this time).

Now maybe my perspective is off, I didn't review Lost (where TWM said this happened as well).  I don't know of any other recent games where this may have happened.  I already mentioned Gilmore Girls, where silver claimed mime as scum, which could be viewed as scum doing something scummy (though not pushing mass-claim).

Anyways, that's my 2 cents.

2 cents to your 2 cents:

Galz v TWM - i agree that it seems to be NAI. I have no idea what to make of that for TWM. I cannot read him. Literally in the last game i played with him i let us flip for the lynch bc  i was so torn about having no idea i didn’t switch my vote in time trying to make up my mind. Also i have only read one Skum!Galz game... and so far not feeling skum!galz.


In LOST they are referring to II outright claiming Town!Posioner as skum goon at the beg of game i think.

[Awaclus]

These wagons suck.  Vote: WW sucks the least I guess.

[Swowl]

I will be working a lot this weekend. I will make sure to be around as much as possible, especially towards DL. Here is my super un-helpful list at this point:


Skummy:

Joseph2302 - Very little since my last read. Combined with the need to speak for other players, which I find skumish, still leaning skum here.

mcmcsalot - Initially I did not think much of the comments on the WW/Schadd dialogue. Still don't really. However, combine that with pushing what I believe to be a push on Town!TWM is making me less sure. Just strikes me as potentially skum trying to find an out. Or not, IDK. Town!MC would have to do the same thing I suppose. I just feel like trying on TWM the way that was done seems like off.


Null:

Robz888 - Not here?

Galzria - Quiet for Galz. Really don't have an opinion at this point.

Awaclus - Same old same old. Suppose I could be down for a lynch here for the normal anti-town play reasons.

pingpongsam - I have absolutely no idea.

SpaceAnemone - Seems like normal Space to me. Don't know what that means, but not seeing a current reason to consider them for today's lynch.



Towny:

schadd - same as before. back an forth with WW seems TvT to me. Before and since has done nothing to make me believe otherwise.

TheWineMerchant - I think he is town. Mainly for the "emotional whatever" responses. I don't see why skum would draw attention to themselves like that ever, let alone D1.

Theorel - Only played on other game with them I think. I am town reading for the Joseph interactions early on as I previously stated. Since then, seems to be insightful. Could be well played under the radar skum I guess, but not on my lynch list today.

DatSwan - including myself on my reads list so PPS doesn't go on a tangent

Witherweaver - Seems to be the driving force at this point. Haven't played a lot with them so don't know what that means. I want to lean town, and then the wagon on him just kind of supports that I guess, so going with town for now.




TLDR: Would prefer to lynch Joseph or MC. Don't want to lynch schadd, TWM, WW or Theorel.

[Joseph2302]

Request prod: Awaclus and Robz
Neither have posted in ages.....

[Joseph2302]

Ignore prod request on Awaclus, I missed their post above..

[Joseph2302]

These wagons suck.  Vote: WW sucks the least I guess.

Why is WW scummy?
They've been active and driving the game on, seems towny to me

[Awaclus]

These wagons suck.  Vote: WW sucks the least I guess.

Why is WW scummy?
They've been active and driving the game on, seems towny to me

Reasons.

[Joseph2302]

These wagons suck.  Vote: WW sucks the least I guess.

Why is WW scummy?
They've been active and driving the game on, seems towny to me

Reasons.

Not convinced they're good reasons

[Awaclus]

These wagons suck.  Vote: WW sucks the least I guess.

Why is WW scummy?
They've been active and driving the game on, seems towny to me

Reasons.

Not convinced they're good reasons

Not convinced they're bad reasons.

[EFHW]

Robz has been prodded.