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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #125 on: March 13, 2018, 01:08:49 pm »

I didn't feel compelled to.
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #126 on: March 13, 2018, 01:31:24 pm »

hmmm this schad and ww back and forth does not feel overly town v. town as early squabbles like this often do.
That's funny, as I was reading it I felt the exact opposite.  It's so nitpicky, and wording-focused rather than substance-focused, that it strikes me as a town-interaction.  This post here though, it's very shade-casting without really putting yourself out there.  I'm agreeing with witherweaver's vote here.  In fact, I'll just go ahead and join him, vote: mcmc.
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #127 on: March 13, 2018, 06:50:02 pm »

hmmm this schad and ww back and forth does not feel overly town v. town as early squabbles like this often do.
That's funny, as I was reading it I felt the exact opposite.  It's so nitpicky, and wording-focused rather than substance-focused, that it strikes me as a town-interaction.  This post here though, it's very shade-casting without really putting yourself out there.  I'm agreeing with witherweaver's vote here.  In fact, I'll just go ahead and join him, vote: mcmc.
Ding. However, if mcmc is scum, this post does feel bussy. Just for the record.
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #128 on: March 13, 2018, 07:54:31 pm »

hmmm this schad and ww back and forth does not feel overly town v. town as early squabbles like this often do.
That's funny, as I was reading it I felt the exact opposite.  It's so nitpicky, and wording-focused rather than substance-focused, that it strikes me as a town-interaction.  This post here though, it's very shade-casting without really putting yourself out there.  I'm agreeing with witherweaver's vote here.  In fact, I'll just go ahead and join him, vote: mcmc.

Have just caught up, and yes, when I got to mcmc's post, my thinking was similar. Well, it was more that both lines of reasoning have their validity: WW feels like he's taking his side with genuine conviction, but schadd's behaviour seems nothing out of the ordinary... I'm sure I've left RVS votes hanging a bunch of times and then worked out that they're reasonable places to be voting after all.

Vote: mcmc wagons!
(I really need to set up y wagon counter for this game.. I'm going to trust I'm not at risk of a derp-hammer or anything silly just yet, though!
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #129 on: March 13, 2018, 07:58:33 pm »

hmmm this schad and ww back and forth does not feel overly town v. town as early squabbles like this often do.
That's funny, as I was reading it I felt the exact opposite.  It's so nitpicky, and wording-focused rather than substance-focused, that it strikes me as a town-interaction.  This post here though, it's very shade-casting without really putting yourself out there.  I'm agreeing with witherweaver's vote here.  In fact, I'll just go ahead and join him, vote: mcmc.
Ding. However, if mcmc is scum, this post does feel bussy. Just for the record.

I was feeling very "Meh" about that comment, but then I worked out that you're actually voting mcmc, so that gets a pass. Does this mean you're also floating a Theorel vote as a possibility?
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #130 on: March 13, 2018, 08:07:47 pm »

Space Count

SpaceAnemone (1): Joseph2302
Joseph2302 (1): mcmcsalot
Witherweaver (2): schadd, Galzria
mcmcsalot (4): The_Wine_Merchant, Witherweaver, theorel, SpaceAnemone
theorel (1): pingpongsam
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #131 on: March 13, 2018, 08:37:40 pm »

hmmm this schad and ww back and forth does not feel overly town v. town as early squabbles like this often do.
That's funny, as I was reading it I felt the exact opposite.  It's so nitpicky, and wording-focused rather than substance-focused, that it strikes me as a town-interaction.  This post here though, it's very shade-casting without really putting yourself out there.  I'm agreeing with witherweaver's vote here.  In fact, I'll just go ahead and join him, vote: mcmc.
Ding. However, if mcmc is scum, this post does feel bussy. Just for the record.

I was feeling very "Meh" about that comment, but then I worked out that you're actually voting mcmc, so that gets a pass. Does this mean you're also floating a Theorel vote as a possibility?

Yes.

Vote: mcmc

Or theorel

So a lot of my bussing theory is more than likely very much confirmation bias. Especially as we don't know mcmc's actual alignment. But I do think that the bus vote tends to happen how theorel's vote went down (mid-wagon, hedging with an opportunity to escape given an opportunity, sheeping someone else), especially in the early game.
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #132 on: March 14, 2018, 02:54:18 am »

I didn't feel compelled to.

So you are TRing schadd?
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #133 on: March 14, 2018, 02:58:07 am »

hmmm this schad and ww back and forth does not feel overly town v. town as early squabbles like this often do.
That's funny, as I was reading it I felt the exact opposite.  It's so nitpicky, and wording-focused rather than substance-focused, that it strikes me as a town-interaction.  This post here though, it's very shade-casting without really putting yourself out there.  I'm agreeing with witherweaver's vote here.  In fact, I'll just go ahead and join him, vote: mcmc.

Have just caught up, and yes, when I got to mcmc's post, my thinking was similar. Well, it was more that both lines of reasoning have their validity: WW feels like he's taking his side with genuine conviction, but schadd's behaviour seems nothing out of the ordinary... I'm sure I've left RVS votes hanging a bunch of times and then worked out that they're reasonable places to be voting after all.

Vote: mcmc wagons!
(I really need to set up y wagon counter for this game.. I'm going to trust I'm not at risk of a derp-hammer or anything silly just yet, though!

Feels off to me that space wouldn’t “do the derp hammer math” first.
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #134 on: March 14, 2018, 07:45:31 am »

hmmm this schad and ww back and forth does not feel overly town v. town as early squabbles like this often do.
That's funny, as I was reading it I felt the exact opposite.  It's so nitpicky, and wording-focused rather than substance-focused, that it strikes me as a town-interaction.  This post here though, it's very shade-casting without really putting yourself out there.  I'm agreeing with witherweaver's vote here.  In fact, I'll just go ahead and join him, vote: mcmc.

Have just caught up, and yes, when I got to mcmc's post, my thinking was similar. Well, it was more that both lines of reasoning have their validity: WW feels like he's taking his side with genuine conviction, but schadd's behaviour seems nothing out of the ordinary... I'm sure I've left RVS votes hanging a bunch of times and then worked out that they're reasonable places to be voting after all.

Vote: mcmc wagons!
(I really need to set up y wagon counter for this game.. I'm going to trust I'm not at risk of a derp-hammer or anything silly just yet, though!

Feels off to me that space wouldn’t “do the derp hammer math” first.
I feel like town is more likely to actually not do derp-hammer math.
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #135 on: March 14, 2018, 10:09:06 am »

Just checking in to apologize for having had no time for this, family vacation and all. Will have more time starting tomorrow.
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #136 on: March 14, 2018, 11:02:06 am »

I didn't feel compelled to.

So you are TRing schadd?

I'm holding out on judgement.
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #137 on: March 14, 2018, 11:02:30 am »

Probably going to be absent for most of today/tomorrow.
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #138 on: March 14, 2018, 01:24:21 pm »

And his paths shall be many, and who shall know his name, for he shall be born among us many times, in many guises, as he has been and ever will be, time without end.

Vote Count 1.2

SpaceAnemone: (1) Joseph2302
Joseph2302: (1) mcmcsalot
Witherweaver: (2) schadd, Galzria
mcmcsalot: (4) The_Wine_Merchant, Witherweaver, theorel, SpaceAnemone
theorel: (1) pingpongsam

Not voting (5): Awaclus, DatSwan, Robz888

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends Sunday, March 18th at 4:45 p.m. Forum time.
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #139 on: March 14, 2018, 01:39:37 pm »

Come, vote theorel with me and let us start this day off right.
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #140 on: March 14, 2018, 02:44:36 pm »

vote: witherweaver

You have chosen... Poorly.

Vote: WW

All other interactions between WW & Schadd aside, this subtly suggests to me WW knows Schadd to be town - as I feel like the "choosing" of a vote is more an act of a townie who is trying to discover scum, whereas say, the "placing" of a vote is something scum does.

I guess it's a small thing, and I get WW was making a reference - but the way it was worded feels off to me.
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #141 on: March 14, 2018, 02:45:39 pm »

vote: witherweaver

You have chosen... Poorly.
i agree with you that i am town

Schadd appears to have felt the same regarding this, although he didn't spell it out.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #142 on: March 14, 2018, 04:41:42 pm »

yes that was the claim
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #143 on: March 14, 2018, 05:12:02 pm »

Hey, don’t think my statements are scummy, stand by them
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #144 on: March 14, 2018, 06:51:14 pm »

Request prod on Joseph

He had a VLA post on Friday 9th March indicating he was away "until Monday", but that should have meant the 12th, and it's only an hour or so off being the 15th in our timezone...
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #145 on: March 14, 2018, 07:01:25 pm »

Request prod on Joseph

He had a VLA post on Friday 9th March indicating he was away "until Monday", but that should have meant the 12th, and it's only an hour or so off being the 15th in our timezone...
I'm here but been away/busy every night this week (including tonight)
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #146 on: March 14, 2018, 07:01:43 pm »

Less has happened in my absence than I'd have liked
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #147 on: March 14, 2018, 07:03:16 pm »

I'll reread tomorrow, especially mcmc as they've got the most votes currently.
Although he wasn't reading scummy to me.
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #148 on: March 14, 2018, 07:30:28 pm »

I'm here but been away/busy every night this week (including tonight)

I'm seldom not out on any given night, but this game is dragging horribly, and people waiting for something to happen before posting is really not helping.
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Re: M114: Wheel of Time II - Day 1
« Reply #149 on: March 14, 2018, 08:19:54 pm »

Some things for people to disagree with me on, given that this is going to have to be a readsy game:

Robz888: 3 game posts so far, mostly VLA. I agree with him not awarding any kind of townpoints to Joseph. He needs to be more present, and has said he'll have more time starting tomorrow, so let's defer judgement till then.

Joseph2302: Has just been AWOL for a number of days on the back of a posted VLA. Opened with his usual silly SK stunt, followed by an even less helpful suggestion of massclaim. He feels even more than usual like he's acting like he expects people to want him to act, with no sensible level of engagement or thought underneath. That's not alignment-indicative, and people trying to weave town/scum narratives around if for cred or easy mislynches are people we should keep an eye on.

schadd: I'm impressed that his vote at #38 didn't cause me more of a headache for the auto-vote-counter once I got it set up for this game. Seems to be the more def!town side of the schadd-WW argument in my reading of it, but I do think they could easily both be town.

Space: Spaaaaaace :-)

TheWineMerchant: In tone, he feels a smidge grumpier than his average, but maybe that's just me having found a thing to disagree with. Most of what he says is actually really sensible. But I feel the need to keep a careful eye on him anyway.

Theorel: I really disagree with the townpoints-to-Joseph thing early on, but his later posts seem pretty sensible and echo some of my thought processes.

Galzria: Really low on content. Only five game posts, and two of them were quoting schadd's "I agree with you that I am town" statement: once at #78, and then again at #141. The only other thing he's contributed was support for mcmc about not giving town points to Joseph. While I understand other people's frustration with too much being read into Joseph's undirected behaviour, I think Galz was too curt, and almost aggressive sounding in his demand that other people don't ask for mcmc to back up his statement. We want town players to be able to offer watertight arguments.. I'm really not sure where Galz was coming from there.

DatSwan: Is he less verbose than usual? His posting rate has tailed off over the past few days, so I think he's one of the people contributing to the lull that seems to be happening. He's incorrect about the "do the derp hammer math" thing: I really did just judge it to be too early in the game to be worth being particularly concerned, and I wanted to get a vote down before distracting myself with setting up the vote counter for the game (which took something like 10 mins, but had it taken longer there was a risk I'd just have forgotten to vote). Also, it's "maths" for me, never "math".

Awaclus: The non-violent-looking avatar is weird to me. He's made only one game post so far. In fact, Request prod on Awaclus too.. I only searched for people who'd been gone over 48 hours before, and right now, he's almost up to 48 already anyway.

mcmcsalot: Is he kind of VLA just now? I believe he's been in the same VLA as Robz. I think his comment was worth the slew of votes it drew. Well, TWM was there before. It's going to be an interesting wagon to look back on later in the game, I guess, if we even get any usable flips.

Witherweaver: Could easily be TvT with the schadd stuff. OTOH, his may be the scummiest of the mcmc wagon votes, given that he was pushing at schadd a fair amount without apparently feeling compelled to vote at that point. At least he's decently active!

pingpongsam: Only four game posts, one of which is an SK joke and the other three of which push along his really-poorly-explained attempt to get a wagon going on theorel, which none fo us seem to be feeling. @PPS: care to put forward a bit more of a case there?
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