Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[iguanaiguana]

Ghacob, Faust, Mcmc, Cuzz, PPS

[Ghacob]

Sure.

Doctor, no additional modifiers.

mcmcs/iguana/iguana

[faust]

I'm a VT.

Would be interested to hear the reasoning that led Ghacob to protect a claimed VT over a claimed PR.

[Ghacob]

Why in the world did you vote PPS at the beginning of yesterday!?

[faust]

Why in the world did you vote PPS at the beginning of yesterday!?

Because he was scummy.

[faust]

Still is actually.

[faust]

Now since I answered your question, you might return the favor.

[Ghacob]

Why in the world did you vote PPS at the beginning of yesterday!?

Because he was scummy.

Still is actually.

I... then why did you cooperate with them to lynch town yesterday?

PPE: 1

workin' on it.. don't really feel motivated to answer since you're "suddenly" one of the scummiest folk around

[Ghacob]

Now since I answered your question, you might return the favor.

For town!faust (who is clearly a PR, as none of their reasons to vote and argue @PPS make sense as a VT) to cooperate with pps in a lynch, you would have to think TWM is scummier than PPS.

Underestimation of PRs' power, mostly, specifically completely ignoring them in who to attempt to save, as that's what I've been doing*, and assuming mafia would do the same

[faust]

Now since I answered your question, you might return the favor.

For town!faust (who is clearly a PR, as none of their reasons to vote and argue @PPS make sense as a VT) to cooperate with pps in a lynch, you would have to think TWM is scummier than PPS.

I don't follow. How did I cooperate with PPS? Do you just mean that we were on the same wagon? In which case, man if two people are scummy then I won't be dissuaded by one voting for the other. Especially not if it's PPS, who is a notorious busser anyway.

What all this has to do with TWM I don't get.

[faust]

Ghacob definitely spent a surprising amount of consideration on my role for someone who claims to not consider role powers in their night actions.

[Cuzz]

I'm a VT.

Would be interested to hear the reasoning that led Ghacob to protect a claimed VT over a claimed PR.

wait, what? who should they have protected, pps?

[Cuzz]

For town!faust (who is clearly a PR, as none of their reasons to vote and argue @PPS make sense as a VT)...

wait, what? why couldn't VT!faust think pps was scummy?

also, wait, what? faust just claimed VT so town!faust is not a PR, he is a VT, or he is scum who may or may not be a scum PR. unless you are suggesting that faust might be a town PR who is fakeclaiming VT which seems extremely ill-advised at this point.

[faust]

I'll take a look at vote counts, see what it can tell us.

Vote count 1.1

Cuzz (3): The_Wine_Merchant, mcmcsalot, LaLight
pingpongsam (2): Cuzz, SpaceAnemone
The_Wine_Merchant (1): DatSwan
Robz888 (1): pingpongsam
mcmcsalot (1): faust

not voting (5): Robz888, SirClemens, Teproc, Galzria, iguanaiguana

First vote count. Notable things: Cuzz has 2 townies voting for him. PPS votes Robz alone. Scum!PPS is more likely to vote a partner in RVS I think.

Vote count 1.2

DatSwan (3): LaLight, SirClemens, mcmcsalot
Cuzz (2): DatSwan, faust
Galzria (2): Teproc, The_Wine_Merchant
pingpongsam (2): mcmcsalot, Robz888
Robz888 (1): SpaceAnemone

not voting (3): iguanaiguana, Cuzz, Galzria

mcmc is the only non-confirmed townie on a conf!town wagon. Interestingly, we have 2 votes for PPS who are both non-confirmed.

Vote count 1.3

Galzria (3): pingpongsam, SirClemens, The_Wine_Merchant
SirClemens (3): Cuzz, faust, Teproc
Cuzz (1): DatSwan
pingpongsam (1): Robz888
DatSwan (1): mcmcsalot
Robz888 (1): SpaceAnemone
Teproc (1): LaLight
LaLight (1): iguanaiguana

not voting (1): Galzria

Both wagons are interesting. PPS is the only possible non-town on Galzria, and scum could easily be on Clemens.

And finally:

thread locked

D1 final vote count.

SirClemens (7): faust, DatSwan, Cuzz, LaLight, iguanaiguana, The_Wine_Merchant, Galzria
Galzria (2): pingpongsam, SirClemens
SpaceAnemone (2): mcmcsalot, Robz888
LaLight (1): Teproc
Robz888 (1): SpaceAnemone

not voting (0):

with 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

Being on the lynch wagon isn't terribly suspicious since basically all wagons that day have been on town. Scum can afford to be somewhere else here, and I expect they will.

Vote count 2.1

faust (4): LaLight, pingpongsam, The_Wine_Merchant, iguanaiguana
Cuzz (1): DatSwan
The_Wine_Merchant (1): faust

not voting (5): Robz888, mcmcsalot, Teproc, Cuzz, SpaceAnemone

Well this is interesting. A whole lot of people who are still alive now aren't voting, like they don't want to be scummy for pushng me, but also don't want the focus to shift somewhere else. I'd say it's reasonable to assume that 1 scum to the bait of going for me, and well since I don't think iguana is scum that again points to PPS.

Vote count 2.2

The_Wine_Merchant (4): faust, SpaceAnemone, iguanaiguana, Cuzz
faust (3): LaLight, pingpongsam, The_Wine_Merchant
iguanaiguana (1): DatSwan

not voting (3): Robz888, mcmcsalot, Teproc

Unfortunate wagon shift to a town while Robz, mcmc and Teproc (ok, Teproc is already sort-of gone here I think) hang back and watch town fight among themselves.

Vote count 2.3

faust (3): LaLight, pingpongsam, The_Wine_Merchant
The_Wine_Merchant (2): SpaceAnemone, Cuzz
iguanaiguana (1): DatSwan
pingpongsam (1): faust
LaLight (1): iguanaiguana

not voting (3): Robz888, mcmcsalot, Teproc

Look I'm still a major wagon!

Vote count 2.4

DatSwan (2): The_Wine_Merchant, Robz888
faust (2): LaLight, pingpongsam
The_Wine_Merchant (2): SpaceAnemone, Cuzz
pingpongsam (1): faust
LaLight (1): iguanaiguana
Cuzz (1): DatSwan

not voting (2): mcmcsalot, Teproc

The shift towards DatSwan begins, initiated by TWM and followed by Robz.

Vote count 2.5

DatSwan (5): The_Wine_Merchant, Robz888, Cuzz, LaLight, pingpongsam
LaLight (2): iguanaiguana, faust
pingpongsam (1): DatSwan
Robz888 (1): SpaceAnemone

not voting (2): mcmcsalot, Ghacob

And suddenly everyone is there. I mean kind of the same holds here as last time: All wagons that day were town, the alternative lynch built up is also town. Scum does not have a huge incentive to expose themselves by joining a mislynch.

Vote count 3.1

pingpongsam (2): faust, Ghacob
faust (1): Cuzz
LaLight (1): The_Wine_Merchant

not voting (5): Robz888, mcmcsalot, pingpongsam, iguanaiguana, LaLight

Here we start out for D3. There's some movement towards PPS. Good stuff. Ghacob is not a likely partner.

Vote count 3.2

pingpongsam (3): faust, Ghacob, iguanaiguana
LaLight (2): The_Wine_Merchant, mcmcsalot
faust (1): LaLight
Cuzz (1): Robz888

not voting (2): pingpongsam, Cuzz

We could be lynching PPS here. So sad. mcmc is the first to push us in a different and ultimately fatal direction.

D3 Final Vote Count

LaLight (5): The_Wine_Merchant, mcmcsalot, pingpongsam, faust, iguanaiguana
pingpongsam (1): Ghacob
faust (1): LaLight
Cuzz (1): Robz888

not voting (1): Cuzz

Final wagon for reference. I wish I didn't switch here. PPS can't really be blamed for moving on LaLight, that is just self-preservation.[/list]

[faust]

Scummy: mcmc, PPS
Townie: Ghacob
Meh: Robz, Cuzz

[faust]

I'm a VT.

Would be interested to hear the reasoning that led Ghacob to protect a claimed VT over a claimed PR.

wait, what? who should they have protected, pps?

Maybe. Or you know, maybe the PR who got killed tonight.

[iguanaiguana]

I'm a VT.

Would be interested to hear the reasoning that led Ghacob to protect a claimed VT over a claimed PR.

wait, what? who should they have protected, pps?

Uh TWM was a pretty clear choice IMO

[Cuzz]

I'm a VT.

Would be interested to hear the reasoning that led Ghacob to protect a claimed VT over a claimed PR.

wait, what? who should they have protected, pps?

Uh TWM was a pretty clear choice IMO

oh yeah, I'm being stupid. but there's like mad wifom with this stuff, and iguana has been so towny this game that it will completely shatter my world if he turns out not to be, so i don't think he would have been a bad choice either. not sure it's worth the surprise that faust is expressing.

[Ghacob]

I'm a VT.

Would be interested to hear the reasoning that led Ghacob to protect a claimed VT over a claimed PR.

wait, what? who should they have protected, pps?

Uh TWM was a pretty clear choice IMO

oh yeah, I'm being stupid. but there's like mad wifom with this stuff, and iguana has been so towny this game that it will completely shatter my world if he turns out not to be, so i don't think he would have been a bad choice either. not sure it's worth the surprise that faust is expressing.

Nah, I definitely misplayed.

My attempts at explanation why were trying to say that I was so busy worrying about PR/VT as a means of getting better odds at scumhunting, that I forgot about the reason to care about PRs in the first place, their Power

[iguanaiguana]

Cuzz can claim ahead of McMc to keep things moving.

[Cuzz]

Cuzz can claim ahead of McMc to keep things moving.

Sure. VT.

[faust]

I'm going to reread mcmc first, as I think I will be less biased there.

I am confused by the amount of people posting at 4am. Also I have come around to agree that iguana's statement is slightly more likely to be made by town and that cuzz's reaction has been the scummiest.

Lalight want to elaborate on your robz read I didn't get weird vibes from him at all.

Also datswan is town, I think he unnecessarily attacks galz and gets miffed more often as town.

Some early reads. Town on iguana is unsurprising. Town on DatSwan is interesting considering that I think he was later part of the lynching wagon. Scumread on a player who is still alive and could well be scum gives some townpoints.

Then he asks a lot of questions. Which is good stuff, but I think scum!mcmc can easily replicate that.

On the other hand, this series of posts has been scummier than what DatSwan did.

Vote: Cuzz

Dissagree vote: datswan

Here is a pretty dramatic change... Just when I join on Cuzz, mcmc decides to leave the wagon and join a wagon on one of his former townreads instead. Not seeing a reason for that change in perspective so far.

I could definitely lynch pps or space.

Interesting.

Slight Scum reads on Teproc and Sir Clemons

For posterity. This is before the Clemens wagon has picked up.

Very unlikely I'll be around for deadline. I think I like Vote: DatSwan best. No real reason, I just think so many others are reading town.

Get your butt back on PPS this instant, Datswan is absolutely not getting lynched if you think you won't be around at least stick somewhere one of your town reads is voting so you can be useful.

Or gimmie your Datswan case before I vote you

This is a townie bit.

And he continues to push against current wagons. To which I say it would be good had we lynched someone else, but it feels like the thing scum!mcmc wants to do here.

So that being said I think Space has been scummy, is a potential partner with both PPS who I think is scum and Galz who other people think is scum. I actually would be very happy with a Space lynch if people don't like my PPS case.

For what its worth I don't think Space and galz are partners, I think scum!PPS started the galz wagon and scum!space is staying off if possible while not arguing for town!Galz

Here's shifthing foucs away from PPS and onto Space, which isn't great.

Actually gonna end this with Vote: SpaceAnemone much better than my PPS case

Yeah man that's not looking great.

And that's D1. Gonna leave it at that for now.

[pingpongsam]

I’m following along waiting for the other claims. Let’s just say i am very excited about going last!

[iguanaiguana]

We're just waiting on McMc.

[iguanaiguana]

If you're looking for something to do while we wait for mass claim to be over, try re-reading the living players and trying to figure out the scum team.

I think arguably everyone should post their guess at the scum team by day end. Yes, that allows scum to know all of our reads and maybe gets them a more favorable LyLo situation down the road, but it also forces scum to essentially produce a fake read on everyone else. We can interrogate each other's lists and reasoning and maybe expose scum that way. Scum is one town vote on any remaining day from winning the game, so they should all feel pressured to get town on their lists.

And as town, we need to figure out the team correctly ASAP or we just lose.

I mean, we are almost certainly going to lose. But maybe we can do it in style and with a little more effort than this? When >50% of players are lurking, it's really easy for scum to hide among them and be indistinguishable.