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[pingpongsam]

Lalight>>>TWM>>Robs>faust/iguana/pps/cuzz>ghavob

I am most suspicious of iguana. I am very hesitant about TWM but every interaction with him as felt like an authentic townie trying to work with me even if it has to be against me. Iguana is outright dead set on lynching the claimed cop. I'm with you on your faust analysis. When DatSwan flipped town I capitulated most of my assessment against him. That he's voting me is explanation of itself, faust always defaults to voting me unless there's clear reason not to. No one can make a clear cut case on Lalight so I am suspicious of the proponents of his lynch although I think his flip would be most illuminating. I also don't see the outstanding town read on Ghacob. In a vacuum he looks fine enough but paired with my scum reads I could easily see him being a scum partner.

If I were taking bets on a scum team it would be iguana/ghacob/faust (which happens to be my wagon, iinm).
For informative flips I'd consider LL and possibly TWM.

Who does that leave, oh, Robz who we could use around here but certainly seems Town for his lack of interest and Cuzz who seems to be around a lot more than Robs but not putting much actual effort in.

And since I'm working off a list where you didn't include yourself I have to say that while I fear confirmation bias from someone leading people away from my lynch mcmc seems like he is doing some critical and useful analysis and I've had zero reason not to town read him.

That PPS guy, well, he's getting framed for sure, I just know it.

[iguanaiguana]

Lalight>>>TWM>>Robs>faust/iguana/pps/cuzz>ghavob

Iguana is outright dead set on lynching the claimed cop. I'm with you on your faust analysis.

Nah dude I've been very very clear that I am a two-trick pony today. You or Lalight. Either way is fine.

If I were taking bets on a scum team it would be iguana/ghacob/faust (which happens to be my wagon, iinm).

Lol so your reads are just OMGUS?

[Robz888]

Caught up! I accept that Space targeted Teproc/Ghacob and got no result.

I kind of want to vote Cuzz over that whole "OH NO I L-1ed SOMEBODY, WOE IS ME, I CRY YOUR PARDON" performance.

[iguanaiguana]

Robz, maybe you are just a scum dude.

[mcmcsalot]

Caught up! I accept that Space targeted Teproc/Ghacob and got no result.

I kind of want to vote Cuzz over that whole "OH NO I L-1ed SOMEBODY, WOE IS ME, I CRY YOUR PARDON" performance.

Do you mean got a town result because space was a cop.

[iguanaiguana]

Yeah I just had another look.

D1 you seemed kinda towny. Then D2 you just spent the whole day being like "Faust and DatSwan are scum for sure. The PRs are all town for sure. Let's lynch DatSwan."

And then we did and he was town.

How do you feel about that? Good? Uscum?

[pingpongsam]

Lol so your reads are just OMGUS?

Not exactly. My previous case on faust still has merit outside of the Swan flip. Swan was implicated by association to faust not the other way around. One could suspect of faust of leveraging that fact to swing to wagon off him and onto Swan yesterday.

It's not purely OMGUS to be suspicious of the guy who refuses to look outside of two possibilities for today and is fervently in favor of lynching a town cop.

Ghacob might be more properly labeled OMGUS suspicion. He seems to be playing right into yours and faust's hands or he is a partner.

[pingpongsam]

Yeah I just had another look.

D1 you seemed kinda towny. Then D2 you just spent the whole day being like "Faust and DatSwan are scum for sure. The PRs are all town for sure. Let's lynch DatSwan."

And then we did and he was town.

How do you feel about that? Good? Uscum?

Hey, you could equally point this case at me but I don't see Robz in your voting pool for today...

[Robz888]

Caught up! I accept that Space targeted Teproc/Ghacob and got no result.

I kind of want to vote Cuzz over that whole "OH NO I L-1ed SOMEBODY, WOE IS ME, I CRY YOUR PARDON" performance.

Do you mean got a town result because space was a cop.

I think Space got blocked, based on the way they framed that one post TWM pointed out.

[Robz888]

Yeah I just had another look.

D1 you seemed kinda towny. Then D2 you just spent the whole day being like "Faust and DatSwan are scum for sure. The PRs are all town for sure. Let's lynch DatSwan."

And then we did and he was town.

How do you feel about that? Good? Uscum?

I feel regretful that we lynched DatSwan, yes.

[iguanaiguana]

PPS is all like "If you claim cop, you should be unlynchable." Lol

[Ghacob]

I, vaguely aware that other things are happening, henceforth layout the plans a for mass claim, in which the only options are to claim pr or vt. For anyone that has made softclaims of any sort in this regard, (most of us!) this should just be as simple as stating explicitly what was already said implicitly.

The order for this should be ~as follows:

1. Robz
2. LaLight
3. iguana
4. mcmc
5. faust

After this point, the two that have made proper PR claims (PPS, TWM) remain, as well as myself and Cuzz, of which order should be irrelevant.

PPE: 9

[Ghacob]

I don't actually have the most certainty in this order but, again, it's far more important that it happens then a specific order for the claims

[The_Wine_Merchant]

There is just no way Ghacob is scum.

[pingpongsam]

PPS is all like "If you claim cop, you should be unlynchable." Lol

I know better than that. Every game I've been cop I've gotten lynched for it. I'm trying to prevent that with some effort this game. Kind of like when Galzria or Roz (can't remember) managed to survive the game as claimed survivor. Clearly, keeping a cop alive is way better than keeping a survivor alive.

[iguanaiguana]

I think the idea there was that people believed Robz and he had good leads on who scum were.

I don't believe you and your scumreads are just other people who don't believe you. But to me the people voting you and pushing your case seem pretty towny.

[Robz888]

I, vaguely aware that other things are happening, henceforth layout the plans a for mass claim, in which the only options are to claim pr or vt. For anyone that has made softclaims of any sort in this regard, (most of us!) this should just be as simple as stating explicitly what was already said implicitly.

The order for this should be ~as follows:

1. Robz
2. LaLight
3. iguana
4. mcmc
5. faust

After this point, the two that have made proper PR claims (PPS, TWM) remain, as well as myself and Cuzz, of which order should be irrelevant.

PPE: 9

I'm not sure this is a good idea, but Ghacob really seems like town, so anyway...

I'm a Vanilla Townie.

[iguanaiguana]

Here's some meta reasons why LL is scum.

He's a bit like me where he plays with more energy as town than scum and more enthusiasm. But a bit better than me. He knows he needs to imitate his town mindset a bit so as scum he always makes some random off the cuff posts D1 to look tony, but it's a bit more forced. I noticed it when I played scum with him in M100 and Space Alert.

So as scum he just does a bit less, lurks more, and here's the clincher, when people scumread him he doesn't defend himself with the same enthusiasm. I think we are seeing that right now and honestly every day where I could sway a few people to vote him and get a wagon going but he doesn't really respond to it much.

So a couple things he did that scum alight would do. When Datswan put him on his would not lynch list, Lalight said, that's weird I would lynch me if I was reading me. I think that is just what scum Lalight would say because scum Lalight doesn't really believe in himself and hasn't convinced himself he is town.

Also that part early innthe game where he did a DAMAGe was totally a D1 scum LL play to try to get into his town meta.

And really just the lack of a defense. Town Lalight really fights for himself and I've not seen that.

Add to that all the resistance to his lynch mostly by unknown alignment people like PPS, Robz, etc.

Scummy position on Datswan wagon I think? And on both mislynches.

A lot of my meta case I felt like I couldn't make before because it was based on currently being scum with him in Space Alert mafia. Now that it's over though I can talk about it so I did.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Here's some meta reasons why LL is scum.

He's a bit like me where he plays with more energy as town than scum and more enthusiasm. But a bit better than me. He knows he needs to imitate his town mindset a bit so as scum he always makes some random off the cuff posts D1 to look tony, but it's a bit more forced. I noticed it when I played scum with him in M100 and Space Alert.

Examples from this game? Post numbers are fine.

[iguanaiguana]

Oy I will try some time. I don't like that part of mafia because it feels like work. But I'll try to take a glance at his ISO.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Oy I will try some time. I don't like that part of mafia because it feels like work. But I'll try to take a glance at his ISO.

I mean, I am already voting for him. So don't do it just for me. I am just genuinely curious.

[Robz888]

I definitely think LL could be scum.

[iguanaiguana]

It would be cool to get every person in the game to post an opinion on who we lynch before we lynch maybe? But Robz saying LL could be scum earns him like 0 towncred from me if/when LL flips scum. I think if LL is scum at this point they will start to go bus mode.

[Robz888]

The only people I'm feeling real townie on at this point are iguaniguana and Ghacob.

I lean town on TWM and mcmc.

I could lynch faust, LL, Cuzz for sure.

[iguanaiguana]

Robz, it's okay, you can try a bit harder and we won't give you scumpoints for it.