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[Swowl]

probs ok with LL also.
At work now, will do for sure tonight.

for sure will double check I am ok with it that is to say.

[faust]

Also, people should state their deadline availability if they haven't already.

I think I'll be available up until 3 hours prior to deadline and then I don't know how much I'll be able to check in. I'll try to get in short before deadline, but no promises.

[faust]

I still like a Clemens lynch and have no idea why that died down the way it has.

[Swowl]

I still like a Clemens lynch and have no idea why that died down the way it has.

So re reading now. but to this point - I agree. I am going to stay on clems for now. will be around for the last 4-5 hours of DL.

[Swowl]

alright so this is built off of a somewhat tired brain, and it is possible that I missed some things, but essentially (in regards to who they would/wouldn't vote):
1) Not a lot of opinions from TWM, Galz, Robz and LL.
2) A decipherable amount of info from Space, SC, Faust, McMc and PPS.
3) Lists, in a way, given by Teproc, Cuzz, II, Swan

- The top "spoken" points of interest are: LL, Galz, Space, Robz
- The "unlynchables" are: II, Faust, Teproc, MCMC

Setting the "unlychables" aside for a moment...

This is the count I have of players that (to date) have stated they are good with their lynch (keep in mind I attempted to read chronologically in case a player's opinion changed):
LaLight: 4
Galz: 4
Space: 5
Robz: 3
SC: 5

There are a lot of people defending Galz, a few defending Robz and SC, and here and there defenses for Space and LL.

Galz - I am --ALWAYS-- the one pushing the Galz lynch. But this does not feel like a skum Galz to me. I may re-evaluate tomorrow and all "lets kill that guy".. but right now, nope.

Robz - I do not like how he defended Galz with his speech about him being "eloquent as skum". At first it made me thing Robz!Galz possible, but looking back it could just be a skum player knowing a town player is town and defending him for cred.

SC - So there is the fact that his wagon ramped up really quickly, but then again there is the fact that new skum normally has issues assigning blame. Still like this vote.

Space - Back and forth with MCMC more than anything. And also the bit with Galz. Personally, I felt like MCMC coming in and breaking it up felt like "coaching" or whatever the appropriate term is.

LL - Not coming to their own defense and no one really coming to their defense. Strikes me as odd, but when you factor in I think it is between LL and Clems and the whole newbie defense thing LL was on...

I am going to stay with Clems for now.


so my order would be
Clems
LL
Space
Robz
Faust
(and please don't kill me for being the only one) - I am not sold on MCMC - However I also get that lynch is not happening so leaving it off the table.

[SirClemens]

Not my favourite lynch, but apparently people want it to happen.
Vote: LaLight

[LaLight]

I can’t really say anything to defend myself, this is D1, I don’t want to claim. But i think scum is on me for sure, easy mislynch as it seems

[SirClemens]

I can’t really say anything to defend myself, this is D1, I don’t want to claim. But i think scum is on me for sure, easy mislynch as it seems

I guess the only other feasible option is Vote: SirClemens. As I prefer my mislynch over yours. There is one scum in the three wagon starters that I posted earlier, porbably one in the group of people that defended me. No idea about the stance of the last one (assuming there are three).

[faust]

I can’t really say anything to defend myself, this is D1, I don’t want to claim. But i think scum is on me for sure, easy mislynch as it seems

I guess the only other feasible option is Vote: SirClemens. As I prefer my mislynch over yours. There is one scum in the three wagon starters that I posted earlier, porbably one in the group of people that defended me. No idea about the stance of the last one (assuming there are three).

Can we please lynch this guy now?

[LaLight]

I can’t really say anything to defend myself, this is D1, I don’t want to claim. But i think scum is on me for sure, easy mislynch as it seems

I guess the only other feasible option is Vote: SirClemens. As I prefer my mislynch over yours. There is one scum in the three wagon starters that I posted earlier, porbably one in the group of people that defended me. No idea about the stance of the last one (assuming there are three).

Can we please lynch this guy now?

Why is that? I think he’s quite an obv!town

[LaLight]

New players have new game techniques that we see as scummy because it is unusual for us.

[faust]

I can’t really say anything to defend myself, this is D1, I don’t want to claim. But i think scum is on me for sure, easy mislynch as it seems

I guess the only other feasible option is Vote: SirClemens. As I prefer my mislynch over yours. There is one scum in the three wagon starters that I posted earlier, porbably one in the group of people that defended me. No idea about the stance of the last one (assuming there are three).

Can we please lynch this guy now?

Why is that? I think he’s quite an obv!town

This is exactly the kind of thing newbies do to try and seem townie. "Oh look I'm not even fighting." It's never townie because town has no reason to do that. Clemens seems to know that you will be a mislynch, which as town he wouldn't and thus would not sacrifice himself for you. It's just a pose.

[LaLight]

I can’t really say anything to defend myself, this is D1, I don’t want to claim. But i think scum is on me for sure, easy mislynch as it seems

I guess the only other feasible option is Vote: SirClemens. As I prefer my mislynch over yours. There is one scum in the three wagon starters that I posted earlier, porbably one in the group of people that defended me. No idea about the stance of the last one (assuming there are three).

Can we please lynch this guy now?

Why is that? I think he’s quite an obv!town

This is exactly the kind of thing newbies do to try and seem townie. "Oh look I'm not even fighting." It's never townie because town has no reason to do that. Clemens seems to know that you will be a mislynch, which as town he wouldn't and thus would not sacrifice himself for you. It's just a pose.

Then if we lynch him and he is scum, can I be an IC?

[SirClemens]

I can’t really say anything to defend myself, this is D1, I don’t want to claim. But i think scum is on me for sure, easy mislynch as it seems

I guess the only other feasible option is Vote: SirClemens. As I prefer my mislynch over yours. There is one scum in the three wagon starters that I posted earlier, porbably one in the group of people that defended me. No idea about the stance of the last one (assuming there are three).

Can we please lynch this guy now?

Why is that? I think he’s quite an obv!town

This is exactly the kind of thing newbies do to try and seem townie. "Oh look I'm not even fighting." It's never townie because town has no reason to do that. Clemens seems to know that you will be a mislynch, which as town he wouldn't and thus would not sacrifice himself for you. It's just a pose.

I think LaLight would be a mislynch, and after my terrible play (I will stick to 7 player mafia after this game, 13 is overwhelming) I will be a liability for town as an easy mislynch.

[SirClemens]

Look critical at the people who started my wagon and look critical at the people who rushed to my defense during your reread during the night.
This could be my last post today.

[iguanaiguana]

Noah chill man you don't know LL is town unless you are scum. If you are town, self voting just makes the game harder for us and easier for scum. I did it before when I started but don't do it, it's not good.

[iguanaiguana]

Noah = Woah

[SirClemens]

Noah chill man you don't know LL is town unless you are scum. If you are town, self voting just makes the game harder for us and easier for scum. I did it before when I started but don't do it, it's not good.

Okay, Vote: Galz

[iguanaiguana]

We (town) all know you might be town, and your play wasn't terrible. This game is tough because a lot of really well known mafia standards are in it and that kinda tightens the D1 lynch pool

[pingpongsam]

I can be around sporadically until 1 hour before deadline.

[mcmcsalot]

Mcmc Vote Count 1.3

Galzria (4): pingpongsam, SirClemens, The_Wine_Merchant,, Teproc, The_Wine_Merchant, SirClemens
pingpongsam (2): mcmcsalot, Robz888, Cuzz
Robz888 (1): SpaceAnemone
Sir Clemons (3): Cuzz, faust, DatSwan, SirClemens
LaLight (1): iguanaiguana, Cuzz, Teproc, SirClemens
Teproc (1): LaLight
Datswan (0): Robz888
SpaceAnemone (0): The_Wine_Merchant, mcmcsalot, Robz888

not voting (1): Galzria, The_Wine_Merchant



Galzria (3): pingpongsam, The_Wine_Merchant, SirClemens
Robz (1): SpaceAnemone
Sir Clemons (2): faust, DatSwan
LaLight (3): iguanaiguana, Cuzz, Teproc
Teproc (1): LaLight
SpaceAnemone (2): mcmcsalot, Robz888

not voting (1): Galzria

[Cuzz]

Not my favourite lynch, but apparently people want it to happen.
Vote: LaLight

I can’t really say anything to defend myself, this is D1, I don’t want to claim. But i think scum is on me for sure, easy mislynch as it seems

I guess the only other feasible option is Vote: SirClemens. As I prefer my mislynch over yours. There is one scum in the three wagon starters that I posted earlier, porbably one in the group of people that defended me. No idea about the stance of the last one (assuming there are three).

Bold added. Clemens decides to switch from Galz to LaLight despite not preferring a LL wagon, and despite Galz being just as viable of a wagon. 

Clemens goes from voting LaLight almost immediately to self voting because he “prefers his mislynch to LaLight.” What changed in between? A half-hearted “don’t lynch me please” from LaLight?

I argued against these earlier but the part in bold looks like it could be an actual literal scumslip. For newbie scum it’s easier to remember to refer to your own lynch as a “mislynch”, harder to remember that you’re not supposed to know that a lynch of someone you know is town will be a mislynch.

The quick change of heart and self-vote looks like newbie scum saying “screw it i’m going for it” on a crazy gambit. He then backs down and goes back to Galz for some reason. Why Galz and not LaLight? Because now he knows that we know that he knows LL is town.

Vote: SirClemens there be veritable scum here.

[LaLight]

Not my favourite lynch, but apparently people want it to happen.
Vote: LaLight

I can’t really say anything to defend myself, this is D1, I don’t want to claim. But i think scum is on me for sure, easy mislynch as it seems

I guess the only other feasible option is Vote: SirClemens. As I prefer my mislynch over yours. There is one scum in the three wagon starters that I posted earlier, porbably one in the group of people that defended me. No idea about the stance of the last one (assuming there are three).

Bold added. Clemens decides to switch from Galz to LaLight despite not preferring a LL wagon, and despite Galz being just as viable of a wagon. 

Clemens goes from voting LaLight almost immediately to self voting because he “prefers his mislynch to LaLight.” What changed in between? A half-hearted “don’t lynch me please” from LaLight?

I argued against these earlier but the part in bold looks like it could be an actual literal scumslip. For newbie scum it’s easier to remember to refer to your own lynch as a “mislynch”, harder to remember that you’re not supposed to know that a lynch of someone you know is town will be a mislynch.

The quick change of heart and self-vote looks like newbie scum saying “screw it i’m going for it” on a crazy gambit. He then backs down and goes back to Galz for some reason. Why Galz and not LaLight? Because now he knows that we know that he knows LL is town.

Vote: SirClemens there be veritable scum here.

It was not a half-hearted

[Robz888]

Who should I vote for, I have minutes now and minutes just before deadline

[Cuzz]

Who should I vote for, I have minutes now and minutes just before deadline

Vote for Clemens who is scum.