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[faust]

And it didn't suit me! But it suited me more than no lynch. Let's not forget that you were the one pushing this wagon.

And what wagon were you pushing? Space? Do you expect to get town points for that?

[Swowl]

Robs can be town for a day. Tomorrow is another day.

what on earth?

yeah actually like wtf?

[faust]

I put myself out there and left a flank open for being attacked. You just hung back and let it happen. Assuming that PPS's info is correct, the major wagons on D1 were Galzria (town), Space (probably town), you (I guess you should assume that you are town too). What reason would scum!me have to go out pushing another wagon through when we are already lynching town?

[LaLight]

And it didn't suit me! But it suited me more than no lynch. Let's not forget that you were the one pushing this wagon.

And what wagon were you pushing? Space? Do you expect to get town points for that?

What? I am not doing it for town points, I think you are scum, there's a difference
Also you're trying to push the narrative that the same people were on SC wagon and yours and I explain why that happens.

[Swowl]

also I was either drunk or sheeping (or both)... druneeping?

unvote

[faust]

And it didn't suit me! But it suited me more than no lynch. Let's not forget that you were the one pushing this wagon.

And what wagon were you pushing? Space? Do you expect to get town points for that?

What? I am not doing it for town points, I think you are scum, there's a difference
Also you're trying to push the narrative that the same people were on SC wagon and yours and I explain why that happens.

It's not a narrative, it's a fact.

[LaLight]

I put myself out there and left a flank open for being attacked. You just hung back and let it happen. Assuming that PPS's info is correct, the major wagons on D1 were Galzria (town), Space (probably town), you (I guess you should assume that you are town too). What reason would scum!me have to go out pushing another wagon through when we are already lynching town?

For being active and gain town points? That would be not normal if you would stay behind, that's not what you do

[LaLight]

And it didn't suit me! But it suited me more than no lynch. Let's not forget that you were the one pushing this wagon.

And what wagon were you pushing? Space? Do you expect to get town points for that?

What? I am not doing it for town points, I think you are scum, there's a difference
Also you're trying to push the narrative that the same people were on SC wagon and yours and I explain why that happens.

It's not a narrative, it's a fact.

Narrative is those people are scummy, isn't it?

[faust]

And it didn't suit me! But it suited me more than no lynch. Let's not forget that you were the one pushing this wagon.

And what wagon were you pushing? Space? Do you expect to get town points for that?

What? I am not doing it for town points, I think you are scum, there's a difference
Also you're trying to push the narrative that the same people were on SC wagon and yours and I explain why that happens.

It's not a narrative, it's a fact.

Narrative is those people are scummy, isn't it?

No. iguana is town. TWM is scummy. I'm undecided on you.

[faust]

I put myself out there and left a flank open for being attacked. You just hung back and let it happen. Assuming that PPS's info is correct, the major wagons on D1 were Galzria (town), Space (probably town), you (I guess you should assume that you are town too). What reason would scum!me have to go out pushing another wagon through when we are already lynching town?

For being active and gain town points? That would be not normal if you would stay behind, that's not what you do

What an amazing plan to get town points by mislynching a newbie. One of my best yet.

[Swowl]

I put myself out there and left a flank open for being attacked. You just hung back and let it happen. Assuming that PPS's info is correct, the major wagons on D1 were Galzria (town), Space (probably town), you (I guess you should assume that you are town too). What reason would scum!me have to go out pushing another wagon through when we are already lynching town?

For being active and gain town points? That would be not normal if you would stay behind, that's not what you do

What an amazing plan to get town points by mislynching a newbie. One of my best yet.

idk man.. it doesn't seem to be working for you

[Swowl]

And it didn't suit me! But it suited me more than no lynch. Let's not forget that you were the one pushing this wagon.

And what wagon were you pushing? Space? Do you expect to get town points for that?

What? I am not doing it for town points, I think you are scum, there's a difference
Also you're trying to push the narrative that the same people were on SC wagon and yours and I explain why that happens.

It's not a narrative, it's a fact.

Narrative is those people are scummy, isn't it?

No. iguana is town. TWM is scummy. I'm undecided on you.

no c'mon stop saying stuff like this. Ok yeah TWM skummy-ish but II is nowhere near a solid town read. How do you ignore new player meta on SC and then not accept that II could be pulling an experience skum play?

[faust]

no c'mon stop saying stuff like this. Ok yeah TWM skummy-ish but II is nowhere near a solid town read. How do you ignore new player meta on SC and then not accept that II could be pulling an experience skum play?

Because iguana sucks at being scum.

[Swowl]

I put myself out there and left a flank open for being attacked. You just hung back and let it happen. Assuming that PPS's info is correct, the major wagons on D1 were Galzria (town), Space (probably town), you (I guess you should assume that you are town too). What reason would scum!me have to go out pushing another wagon through when we are already lynching town?

Assuming PPS and Space is town this is actually like a super solid point.
1 town wagon.. whatever.
2 town wagons... yeah maybe.
3 town wagons? why would faust act that way?

and from your perspective, pps, if you are town and you town read space... then like...?

[Swowl]

no c'mon stop saying stuff like this. Ok yeah TWM skummy-ish but II is nowhere near a solid town read. How do you ignore new player meta on SC and then not accept that II could be pulling an experience skum play?

Because iguana sucks at being scum.

Well I have no input on that because I have never played with Skum!II.

But I wanna say this: The list of potential PRs is looooonnngggg. If I were skum I would read this set up and say "hey you know what would work well? Take the fact that our MOD clearly stated they want to make it balanced, combine that with our PR knowledge, and then let's make some ridiculous claim first thing D1".

Here is the list of the PRs Town can have. I have crossed out the ones that I assume a Town player would not find incredible amounts of value in. Not saying they are bad roles, just saying that to make the statement "OMG my role is so super cool I feel the need to do this" doesn't match up:

Bodyguard
Commuter
Sane Cop
Doctor
Follower
JOAT
JK
Neapolitan
RB
RC
RS
Tracker
UB
Voyeur
Miller
Watcher


These three roles seem very strong. However, I cannot find an upside to drawing attention to yourself if you have one of them:

Gunsmith
MD
Vig



These two roles are verifiable. So if it comes down to it, we can use that:

Mason
NZ



And then there is this one (separated because of the comment specifically about it being D3 for claims):

IC



II said something along the lines of "at mass claim.. which should probably be on D3". If it is D3IC then we will know eventually, so there is that. But the same point for the D3IC goes for the middle section... why would you say anything at all? - Just don't draw attention for 3 days, or do and hope to get reactions... either way you are more useful to town then claiming a role.

Narrowing it to the non-verifiable sections: Gunsmith, Motion Detector, Vig, and IC   -   Still, why would you say anything? The easy play is to not draw attention to yourself or to be active and let skum keep you alive as a lynch target. There is no way that a Town Player in a Town mindset would say "hey, you know what would help my team? drawing a ton of attention to myself with a major PR!" - Now maybe he is VT and just is actually doing a super cool thing for town, but yeah.

If it Mason or NZ we should have someone that can speak up to back II up. If they are lying that just works for us down the road.

Also to be considered:

Lyncher - could claim cop at some point and have us go for that target
Jester - to my understanding similar to a mime. kick up a fuss and get lyched to win.
Governer - seems like a strong skum role
Godfather - trying to pull a cop result that they can use to their benefit


Any which way, I do not see the upside in a strong town PR claim the way II did it. It could be a strong Town Play, but I do NOT believe they have a strong Town PR if that is the case. Does that mean we should lynch II? yes? no? IDK really. But without a doubt - II is not IC.

I think Iguana should claim, I think the soft balled comments about them being "verified IC" are skummy, and (#GoOxford) I think the quite routine on D1 followed by the talkative II on D2 just screams "I had time to talk to by partners at night".

For now I am gonna go bold and say vote:II

[Swowl]

correct format
Vote: II

[Swowl]

no c'mon stop saying stuff like this. Ok yeah TWM skummy-ish but II is nowhere near a solid town read. How do you ignore new player meta on SC and then not accept that II could be pulling an experience skum play?

Because iguana sucks at being scum.

so do I. but when you are skum you have a team to help you.

[faust]

Lyncher - could claim cop at some point and have us go for that target
Jester - to my understanding similar to a mime. kick up a fuss and get lyched to win.
Governer - seems like a strong skum role
Godfather - trying to pull a cop result that they can use to their benefit

I don't think you read the setup correctly. Non of these are normal.

[Swowl]

no c'mon stop saying stuff like this. Ok yeah TWM skummy-ish but II is nowhere near a solid town read. How do you ignore new player meta on SC and then not accept that II could be pulling an experience skum play?

Because iguana sucks at being scum.

so do I. but when you are skum you have a team to help you.

I guess I had input

[Swowl]

Lyncher - could claim cop at some point and have us go for that target
Jester - to my understanding similar to a mime. kick up a fuss and get lyched to win.
Governer - seems like a strong skum role
Godfather - trying to pull a cop result that they can use to their benefit

I don't think you read the setup correctly. Non of these are normal.

thats what you have to take away from the post?

[faust]

I am assuming the NZ is supposed to mean Neighborizer? Please don't make your posts cryptic like that if you can avoid it.

[Swowl]

Lyncher - could claim cop at some point and have us go for that target
Jester - to my understanding similar to a mime. kick up a fuss and get lyched to win.
Governer - seems like a strong skum role
Godfather - trying to pull a cop result that they can use to their benefit

I don't think you read the setup correctly. Non of these are normal.

I seperated them for a reason. And I would also like to point out - why were they included if not potential?... guess someone other than me should of voted for that question thing...

[faust]

Lyncher - could claim cop at some point and have us go for that target
Jester - to my understanding similar to a mime. kick up a fuss and get lyched to win.
Governer - seems like a strong skum role
Godfather - trying to pull a cop result that they can use to their benefit

I don't think you read the setup correctly. Non of these are normal.

thats what you have to take away from the post?

I haven't finished reading it, but this stood out.

[Swowl]

I am assuming the NZ is supposed to mean Neighborizer? Please don't make your posts cryptic like that if you can avoid it.

You assumed it so I am going to guess people will get it

[faust]

Lyncher - could claim cop at some point and have us go for that target
Jester - to my understanding similar to a mime. kick up a fuss and get lyched to win.
Governer - seems like a strong skum role
Godfather - trying to pull a cop result that they can use to their benefit

I don't think you read the setup correctly. Non of these are normal.

I seperated them for a reason. And I would also like to point out - why were they included if not potential?... guess someone other than me should of voted for that question thing...

No, I mean the setup explicitly states that these roles cannot be in the game.