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[Cuzz]

Would lynch today: SirClemens, LL, Datswan, Robz, pps, maybe Space
Would not lynch today: mcmc, TWM, ii, Galz, faust, Teproc

[pingpongsam]

I got to do an 8 hour Blood Borne Pathogen, first-aid and CPR course today. Just now at a point to reread.

I am really a fan of this observation:

vote: Teproc should be good. But I can return to SA. If this is not happening, I can join, like, any wagon to get lynch through

If you are up for joining any wagon to get a lunch through then why are you:

A. Voting for Teproc, who is not currently a viable wagon?
B. Stating without justification that you won’t vote for Sir Clemens, who is currently a viable wagon?

[Cuzz]

I got to do an 8 hour Blood Borne Pathogen, first-aid and CPR course today. Just now at a point to reread.

I am really a fan of this observation:

vote: Teproc should be good. But I can return to SA. If this is not happening, I can join, like, any wagon to get lynch through

If you are up for joining any wagon to get a lunch through then why are you:

A. Voting for Teproc, who is not currently a viable wagon?
B. Stating without justification that you won’t vote for Sir Clemens, who is currently a viable wagon?

Someone (Teproc I think) made a comment about something being too scummy to be scum which has me a little unsure about what to think about LL here because this series of posts was pretty damn scummy.

[iguanaiguana]

I got to do an 8 hour Blood Borne Pathogen, first-aid and CPR course today. Just now at a point to reread.

I am really a fan of this observation:

vote: Teproc should be good. But I can return to SA. If this is not happening, I can join, like, any wagon to get lynch through

If you are up for joining any wagon to get a lunch through then why are you:

A. Voting for Teproc, who is not currently a viable wagon?
B. Stating without justification that you won’t vote for Sir Clemens, who is currently a viable wagon?

Someone (Teproc I think) made a comment about something being too scummy to be scum which has me a little unsure about what to think about LL here because this series of posts was pretty damn scummy.

Yeah!

Vote: Lalight

[iguanaiguana]

I like this APPS and Cuss getting chummy thing. Prolly town alliance?

[iguanaiguana]

PPS and Cuzz°

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I automatically tune out whenever someone brings up Occam and his damn razor in mafia games.

[schadd]

https://youtu.be/adKEqin5SoI?t=54s
some graphic imagery later in the song

do i care if i survive this? bury the dead where they're found
in the veil of great surprises, i wonder, did you love me at all?

Vote count 1.3

Galzria (3): pingpongsam, SirClemens, The_Wine_Merchant
SirClemens (3): Cuzz, faust, Teproc
Cuzz (1): DatSwan
pingpongsam (1): Robz888
DatSwan (1): mcmcsalot
Robz888 (1): SpaceAnemone
Teproc (1): LaLight
LaLight (1): iguanaiguana

not voting (1): Galzria

with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends saturday, february 17th at 17:00 forum time.

mod notes

• some mistakage from the last vc fixed

[Swowl]

K.
vote: SirClemens

[faust]

I automatically tune out whenever someone brings up Occam and his damn razor in mafia games.

You're lucky that I only do it when I'm scum.

[faust]

Why is SC posting a list which would allow him to jump onto any of the wagons more skummy then LL saying “i will go on any wagon to get a lynch through” ?

Because LaLight is open about it, and Clemens tries to conceal it in reads.

[SirClemens]

but the deflection onto other people for reasons to vote is scummy, yes. You can argue it's too scummy to be scum, but Clemens is a new player, so you know, OCcam's Razor.

Where did I did that? The reason for my vote is in my reads list. I posted the bunch of quotes when I thought mcmc was asking about the reasoning of the other players on the Galz and Cuzz Wagons.

[SirClemens]

but the deflection onto other people for reasons to vote is scummy, yes. You can argue it's too scummy to be scum, but Clemens is a new player, so you know, OCcam's Razor.

Where did I do that? The reason for my vote is in my reads list. I posted the bunch of quotes when I thought mcmc was asking about the reasoning of the other players on the Galz and Cuzz Wagons.

[SirClemens]

My Wagon makes me suspicious of Cuzz and Galzria.

I think there is exactly 1 scum in {Cuzz, faust, Teproc}, but all have good reasons for voting for me.

[Swowl]

My Wagon makes me suspicious of Cuzz and Galzria.

I think there is exactly 1 scum in {Cuzz, faust, Teproc}, but all have good reasons for voting for me.

is this a typo or do you mean that you also think there are 2 skum in [Cuzz, faust, Teproc, and Galz].

FWIW I know I am voting SC rn, but I also think there is a skum in the [Cuzz, faust, Teproc] pool. If anyone wants to make one of those happen lmk

[faust]

My Wagon makes me suspicious of Cuzz and Galzria.

I think there is exactly 1 scum in {Cuzz, faust, Teproc}, but all have good reasons for voting for me.

is this a typo or do you mean that you also think there are 2 skum in [Cuzz, faust, Teproc, and Galz].

FWIW I know I am voting SC rn, but I also think there is a skum in the [Cuzz, faust, Teproc] pool. If anyone wants to make one of those happen lmk

So you think that scum is bussing right now?

[faust]

And Clemens, why is DatSwan missing from your list of potential scums?

[SirClemens]

And Clemens, why is DatSwan missing from your list of potential scums?

I think scum helped getting the wagon started, and he voted after it was established.

[faust]

And Clemens, why is DatSwan missing from your list of potential scums?

I think scum helped getting the wagon started, and he voted after it was established.

I don't know why you think that, and the line you draw between 'getting a wagon started' and 'wagon is established' is highly arbitrary.

[Swowl]

My Wagon makes me suspicious of Cuzz and Galzria.

I think there is exactly 1 scum in {Cuzz, faust, Teproc}, but all have good reasons for voting for me.

is this a typo or do you mean that you also think there are 2 skum in [Cuzz, faust, Teproc, and Galz].

FWIW I know I am voting SC rn, but I also think there is a skum in the [Cuzz, faust, Teproc] pool. If anyone wants to make one of those happen lmk

So you think that scum is bussing right now?

yes.
But tbf I assume skum to buss every D1. it is an extremely effective tactic for the surviving end of game skum to use.

[Swowl]

And Clemens, why is DatSwan missing from your list of potential scums?

I think scum helped getting the wagon started, and he voted after it was established.

I don't know why you think that, and the line you draw between 'getting a wagon started' and 'wagon is established' is highly arbitrary.

this is a fair enough opinion. faust - in your opinion if it takes 7 to lynch where is the "before/after" line drawn? your words make it seem as if it should NOT be arbitrary, so I assume you have a non-arbitrary approach?

[faust]

And Clemens, why is DatSwan missing from your list of potential scums?

I think scum helped getting the wagon started, and he voted after it was established.

I don't know why you think that, and the line you draw between 'getting a wagon started' and 'wagon is established' is highly arbitrary.

this is a fair enough opinion. faust - in your opinion if it takes 7 to lynch where is the "before/after" line drawn? your words make it seem as if it should NOT be arbitrary, so I assume you have a non-arbitrary approach?

There is no single number that works all the time. It's more the dynamics of how the wagon formed that need to be investigated. It also matters how big the alternative wagons are at the time.

[Swowl]

And Clemens, why is DatSwan missing from your list of potential scums?

I think scum helped getting the wagon started, and he voted after it was established.

I don't know why you think that, and the line you draw between 'getting a wagon started' and 'wagon is established' is highly arbitrary.

this is a fair enough opinion. faust - in your opinion if it takes 7 to lynch where is the "before/after" line drawn? your words make it seem as if it should NOT be arbitrary, so I assume you have a non-arbitrary approach?

There is no single number that works all the time. It's more the dynamics of how the wagon formed that need to be investigated. It also matters how big the alternative wagons are at the time.

so if it changes every game, then how would anyone ever deciding when a wagon "starts" be anything but arbitrary?

[faust]

And Clemens, why is DatSwan missing from your list of potential scums?

I think scum helped getting the wagon started, and he voted after it was established.

I don't know why you think that, and the line you draw between 'getting a wagon started' and 'wagon is established' is highly arbitrary.

this is a fair enough opinion. faust - in your opinion if it takes 7 to lynch where is the "before/after" line drawn? your words make it seem as if it should NOT be arbitrary, so I assume you have a non-arbitrary approach?

There is no single number that works all the time. It's more the dynamics of how the wagon formed that need to be investigated. It also matters how big the alternative wagons are at the time.

so if it changes every game, then how would anyone ever deciding when a wagon "starts" be anything but arbitrary?

Well, when the sun rises changes every day and also depending on your location, but I've yet to hear someone call that arbitrary.

[Swowl]

And Clemens, why is DatSwan missing from your list of potential scums?

I think scum helped getting the wagon started, and he voted after it was established.

I don't know why you think that, and the line you draw between 'getting a wagon started' and 'wagon is established' is highly arbitrary.

this is a fair enough opinion. faust - in your opinion if it takes 7 to lynch where is the "before/after" line drawn? your words make it seem as if it should NOT be arbitrary, so I assume you have a non-arbitrary approach?

There is no single number that works all the time. It's more the dynamics of how the wagon formed that need to be investigated. It also matters how big the alternative wagons are at the time.

so if it changes every game, then how would anyone ever deciding when a wagon "starts" be anything but arbitrary?

Well, when the sun rises changes every day and also depending on your location, but I've yet to hear someone call that arbitrary.

I mean we are talking nonsense at this point.. but I feel the need to point out that where/when the sun rises would be unarguable to all parties sitting on the same blanket (so to speak). As we are all on the same blanket, it is arbitrary to assume when the wagon starts because it (as you have stated) is arbitrary. but none of us could pass a sandwich and say "hey look at the sun rising over there" and have another argue with it.