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[shraeye]

I’m voting [faust] because: A) There’s a good case on [faust]. Two in fact, mine & Swan’s wagon analysis. B) There’s no better case or candidate, no story to be told that really makes sense. C) We’re getting close to deadline.

A) not good cases
B) I have a Space case that apparently isn't worth a comment, cool.  Also Space/PPS are exxxxxcellllent candidates
C) deadline, schmedline.

[shraeye]

I think, at this moment, everyone has claimed something...except shraeye and Swan. Am I wrong?

Therefore they're scum. 

I don't think Didds has claimed anything.

Or Space either?  Or did I miss that?

[shraeye]

I re-read Galz, and I feel like he's both not been supportive of some stuff that seems very sensible to me (e.g. being critical of faust at #264, and also complaining about faust correcting Swan at #367), and also that he's generally more aware of the wagons and voting that maybe faust gave him credit for at the point faust discounted Galz from his lynchpool based on the intent to hammer MiX.. which means I think he really should be someone faust considered at the same time as he started up the EFHW wagon.

Vote: Galz

Isn't this what we're expecting for scum to do word for word?

Well, that's probably because Space is scum.

So Alexis is probably third-party thing that flips win conditions after a while? That's definitely what the colors indicate.

What the juice-stop makes you think win conditions can change?

[shraeye]

ugh, imagine going to sleep after a busy weekend frustrated because people are building terrible plans, only to wake up more frustrated because the plan is being executed brilliantly and it's poop-conclusion is sitting on the doorstep.


Also, when did I stop voting for Space, ash?

[shraeye]

...yeah...MiX suggesting wincons can change is significant, especially because his ICness is based on sharing a wincon with Galz at the time of the investigation.

[WestCoastDidds]

One thing that I think I can share that might be useful to think about during the night...I had a headache on D1. I don't know what it means or what it did, or how faust (or the friend he is asking for) ended up with it today.

Why did you not share this before?

Why would I? The first time it has come up as a part of any real discussion was this morning in your post, so I shared it since it seemed relevant now. 

[SpaceAnemone]

Space and Glooble have both made unprovoked claims to support other players, and that is always a pretty darn townie thing to me. I also think the way Space voted for EFHW was townie; scum would have owned that vote and not gone "well no other wagon will succeed". I am less townie on Glooble now that I know (more or less) that MiX is town!skitter, but Space's role seems to clear Glooble somehow, so there's that.

No, it doesn't. I made it explicitly clear that I have no information directly supporting the idea that Glooble is town:

Do you or do you not know that there is a town-aligned skitter?

I do not know for sure that there is a town-aligned skitter at the moment.

I know that it is possible for a particular flavour name to change into a skitter, and that their wincon will not alter if that happens. That's why I'm saying it's not either of our claimed skitters, since they haven't given any indication that they were ever humans in this game.

[SpaceAnemone]

One thing that I think I can share that might be useful to think about during the night...I had a headache on D1. I don't know what it means or what it did, or how faust (or the friend he is asking for) ended up with it today.

Why did you not share this before?

Why would I? The first time it has come up as a part of any real discussion was this morning in your post, so I shared it since it seemed relevant now.

Do you mean this morning as in the start of D2? Because faust first mentioned a headache about 9 days ago IRL.

However, there are good reasons not to share everything from a QT, so I think "why would I?" is a reasonable response anyway.

[SpaceAnemone]

B) I have a Space case that apparently isn't worth a comment, cool.  Also Space/PPS are exxxxxcellllent candidates

Your case on my was based on a load of null plus one count of being hedgey.

Several of people who know my playstyle pretty well have pointed out that I'm just being me.

(Also, in answer to your "when" question: all the voting was reset after e's flip).

[shraeye]

Your case on my was based on a load of null plus one count of being hedgey.

Several of people who know my playstyle pretty well have pointed out that I'm just being me.

(Also, in answer to your "when" question: all the voting was reset after e's flip).

No, it wasn't null.  You pretended I said "Space logs on later than most" and refuted that.

Secondly, you DO normally contribute a lot more proactively than you have been.

[shraeye]

vote: Space

[WestCoastDidds]

One thing that I think I can share that might be useful to think about during the night...I had a headache on D1. I don't know what it means or what it did, or how faust (or the friend he is asking for) ended up with it today.

Why did you not share this before?

Why would I? The first time it has come up as a part of any real discussion was this morning in your post, so I shared it since it seemed relevant now.

Do you mean this morning as in the start of D2? Because faust first mentioned a headache about 9 days ago IRL.

However, there are good reasons not to share everything from a QT, so I think "why would I?" is a reasonable response anyway.

faust never asked if it had happened to anyone else, he asked if anyone who knew the flavor knew what it meant. (I didn't and still don't). Then today, he returned to the topic with some guesses.

Wait wait wait... theory time. What if scum have a poison kill? (i.e. delayed) From my role description, it would seem that I could also protect people that weren't targeted the same night, so that would fit. And I woke up with a headache today and that phenomenon is still unexplained. So I guess if I die tonight, that would be confirmation.

This makes my information valuable to someone else who I don't think is scum, so I shared it.

[shraeye]

If you all actually want to get EFHW's partners, I can tell you it's 100% space, and guess that it's 85% PPS. 

The other percentages are 12% Glooble and 3% WCD or Awaclus.  Also, I'm operating under the assumption of 3 Ephez-whatevs now that E's flip showed a different color.

[MiX]

So Alexis is probably third-party thing that flips win conditions after a while? That's definitely what the colors indicate.

What the juice-stop makes you think win conditions can change?

Because of that word in your PM that makes sense but is very oddly specific.

Actually, whoever answers the above out of Space/shraeye lives. GO!

(Disclaimer: don't do this without Galzria's permission).

Space and Glooble have both made unprovoked claims to support other players, and that is always a pretty darn townie thing to me. I also think the way Space voted for EFHW was townie; scum would have owned that vote and not gone "well no other wagon will succeed". I am less townie on Glooble now that I know (more or less) that MiX is town!skitter, but Space's role seems to clear Glooble somehow, so there's that.

No, it doesn't. I made it explicitly clear that I have no information directly supporting the idea that Glooble is town:

Do you or do you not know that there is a town-aligned skitter?

I do not know for sure that there is a town-aligned skitter at the moment.

I know that it is possible for a particular flavour name to change into a skitter, and that their wincon will not alter if that happens. That's why I'm saying it's not either of our claimed skitters, since they haven't given any indication that they were ever humans in this game.

That is COMPLETELY different and most definitely does NOT confirm either me nor Glooble.

[faust]

...yeah...MiX suggesting wincons can change is significant, especially because his ICness is based on sharing a wincon with Galz at the time of the investigation.

Well, you can ask ash in your QT and he will tell you that win conditions cannot change.

[jotheonah]

What the juice-stop makes you think win conditions can change?

There's a five-letter word in my win-con that suggests it can't change (but suggests that others can). Why don't you check your PM and tell me if it's in yours?

[pingpongsam]

What the juice-stop makes you think win conditions can change?

There's a five-letter word in my win-con that suggests it can't change (but suggests that others can). Why don't you check your PM and tell me if it's in yours?

I have the 5 letter word in mine. The second letter is "i".

[jotheonah]

shraeye is here and hasn't claimed and doesn't seem likely to.

intent to hammer.

[pingpongsam]

shraeye is here and hasn't claimed and doesn't seem likely to.

intent to hammer.

fairly sure Swan unvoted leaving us at L-2.

[Uncleeurope]

What the juice-stop makes you think win conditions can change?

There's a five-letter word in my win-con that suggests it can't change (but suggests that others can). Why don't you check your PM and tell me if it's in yours?

I have the 5 letter word in mine. The second letter is "i".

This seems cheater-ey, is this allowed?

[shraeye]

Son,

What about "I. know. Space. is. EFHW's. partner." isn't a claim to you?

[Uncleeurope]

Vote: Space

[Glooble]

Vote: Space and if they're town we lynch shraeye immediately tomorrow.

[Uncleeurope]

Well, we know that one of Shraeye/Space is evil now. I am just concerned that this could be Shraeye last-ditching a free mislymch.

[Galzria]

Vote: Space and if they're town we lynch shraeye immediately tomorrow.

Let’s lynch Shraeye and if they’re town, lynch Space tomorrow.