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[Galzria]

Believable claim, that solves the third-party/no-third party situation.  Probably makes for a 4 person team, not sure why Mix is saying 4 person+Traitor.  Glooble? faust? joth?  People with experience balancing?

Galz, why is faust better vote than Eddie?

ADK, why should it still be Eddie?

Eddie's my best bet for being EFHW's partner

My proposal for the dayvig would be to essentially use it to lynch twice in a day; get a town consensus on a lynch, I shoot them, then we have an extra lynch that day

Probably too late in the day for that now though

I would be fine shooting Eddie & then either no-lynching if we hit scum (unless we feel confident on finding an Eddie/EFHW partner), or lynching amongst Faust/Space/Shraeye if we hit town.

I would actually be strongly in favor of this. My PR is especially useful if scum dies - and it allows for a much better night time outcome for town.

[Uncleeurope]

Can we wait for the Mod to confirm something with me before we progress down this line of thinking.

[MiX]

Can we wait for the Mod to confirm something with me before we progress down this line of thinking.

Can you claim first?

Hey, my PR is especially useful if TOWN dies, synergy!

[Uncleeurope]

I need to clarify something about my role before I can properly claim.

[Swowl]

unvote

Traveling home, so no more vla sometime tomorrow when i arrive.

I need to catch back up before deciding on new vote placement.

I am inclined to believe ADK:
1) my read as skum can be replaced as a 3rd party read
2) It makes vca from day 1 make more sense in terms of what i have put forth as for potentially isolating skum partners of EFHW.
3) they said they have day Vig... not usually a skum role right?


Paranoia counter point - if adk is lying he is probably traitor because {insert usual obv reasons here}. Pope could even be a traitor in terms of flavor but guess.

Idk how i feel about the shot being used - if we use it though, i think the obv play is to let Galz direct the kill.

[Swowl]

He could also be lying about the day if being 1-shot. So it’s folly to assume that him using it “gets it out of the way”.

Easy enough check. We have him use it today & then have him input the same order tomorrow.

Does day Vig always have to be publicly listed? If not, that would be a problem. In fact if not, if adk is skum, he probably is not the vig. Not that that really matter i guess, skum is skum and i think if adk is any form of skum it’s traitor.

But the public listing part is important.

[Swowl]

Adk is this one of those day Vig’s that give us an extension on the day?
If so, how long?

[pingpongsam]

I prefer using the shot and Galz calling it. This is assuming it allows day to continue.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Adk is this one of those day Vig’s that give us an extension on the day?
If so, how long?

No, and I do have to publicly shoot

[MiX]

So are we shooting? Galz said "strongly in favor" of shooting, I said sure, I don't think anyone opposes (or can oppose, Galz is calling the shoots here, literally).

What are you waiting for? Further confirmation?

[A Drowned Kernel]

So are we shooting? Galz said "strongly in favor" of shooting, I said sure, I don't think anyone opposes (or can oppose, Galz is calling the shoots here, literally).

What are you waiting for? Further confirmation?

I'm willing to let Eddie claim before shooting, at the very least

[Uncleeurope]

Thanks, once Ash checks in and answers a question I will claim.

I can do half now, if people would like... But I would probably prefer to get it all done at once.

Here’s the deal though, maybe the shot should go somewhere else and you can lynch after? Since y’all are already voting me anyway... *hopeful smile*

What I can guarantee, though, is that my claim won’t change anyone’s mind about me, I don’t think. So maybe not a guarantee, after all.

[Uncleeurope]

Also, since I am about to have been Vig’d as town two games in a row...

I feel like people are having some trouble reading me.

Haha

[MiX]

So are we shooting? Galz said "strongly in favor" of shooting, I said sure, I don't think anyone opposes (or can oppose, Galz is calling the shoots here, literally).

What are you waiting for? Further confirmation?

I'm willing to let Eddie claim before shooting, at the very least

Okay now I feel stupid.

Also, since I am about to have been Vig’d as town two games in a row...

I feel like people are having some trouble reading me.

Haha

They are. Although you were incredibly towny last game, so it's not really the same. Who would you vig instead?

[MiX]

Also, if you can, don't full claim every single last bit of every role you have: given I'm inheriting it, maybe we need some of it hidden. Maybe.

[Uncleeurope]

Faust, probably. Just based on the Joth wagon, though...

Scummiest acting person might be e for his wordplay regarding me/ADK just now and Faust/MiX(?) earlier. I dunno his town meta but he seems to be setting up odd pairings of people and hoping if one is revealed town the other is confirmed evil. I dislike those things so it makes me wary.

So maybe e, actually. Probably would prefer to wait tomorrow, though.

[Uncleeurope]

Also, if you can, don't full claim every single last bit of every role you have: given I'm inheriting it, maybe we need some of it hidden. Maybe.

I don’t think you can inherit mine.

Well, I can think of how Ash might finagle something, but it seems odd.

[Uncleeurope]

Regarding vig crap, though, I would obviously defer to you or Galz, my primary scum read was ADK, and with that out of the way I am left looking for a suitable replacement.

[MiX]

Also, if you can, don't full claim every single last bit of every role you have: given I'm inheriting it, maybe we need some of it hidden. Maybe.

I don’t think you can inherit mine.

Well, I can think of how Ash might finagle something, but it seems odd.

I'm fairly certain I can...although maybe I can't. Still, I think it's safe to assume I can.

Regarding vig crap, though, I would obviously defer to you or Galz, my primary scum read was ADK, and with that out of the way I am left looking for a suitable replacement.

Which is why I asked you that question. I don't think the answer's very important, but still.

This reminds me of RMM52...let's hope Space doesn't quickhammer while I sleep. Which is now.

In case you die while I'm gone, well, you're good at being scum and everyone fears you.

[Uncleeurope]

Awww, that’s the nicest thing you’ve ever said to me.

I’m tearing up.

[SpaceAnemone]

No quickhammering from me :-P

I'm semi-VLA at the moment, and I'm not sure why I didn't think to post a VLA note rather than trying to keep up, given that I'm away from home visiting friends. I'm going to be fully VLA for most of tomorrow, but I'll be home again by the end of the day.

[SpaceAnemone]

I have been trying to catch up and think over the past 30 mins or so, though. My host went to bed already because he's more sensible than me given that we have to be up in the morning really early for a Sunday.

Anyway, I've been looking at ADK's claim. The most interesting thing about them perhaps being third party is that they were voting Joth for a lot of time while the EFHW wagon was a going concern: ADK voted at #733 (~30 hours before deadline), and faust joined them at #746 (~22 hours before deadline). MiX joined very briefly, but other than that, the wagon on Joth was static with just those two votes up to #885 (45 minutes to deadline). Why weren't other scums voting there, if the other non-singleton alternatives were to bus EFHW or to sit on a wagon she was already on, which isn't great for PoE later in the game? I mean, maybe they're all just the singleton voters, but I have to wonder what made ADK and faust's wagon on Joth look so unappealing to scums who should have been interested in moving elsewhere.

One option is just that all non-bussing scums were on Galz, though I have better PoE than most there, and I also townread Glooble, so that seems less possible to me. The other likely option is that one of Joth and faust is already scum, and so the incentive for more scum to have piled in there was much reduced. (The third quite-likely option is just that ADK might be scum after all).

It's not the strongest evidence ever, but having coloured ADK as third-party in my voting records, it is something that seems worth bringing up. Below are a couple of vote counts from relevant places: one just after faust had voted at #746, and one just before MiX jumped ever-so-briefly ontl Joth at #885. (Joth did then make it up to 4 votes with the addition of Eddie at #893, then down to 3 votes again at #896 then MiX moved back to EFHW).

#746
2.71828..... (1): Uncleeurope
EFHW (6): MiX, pingpongsam, Galzria, WestCoastDidds, DatSwan, Awaclus
Galzria (2): EFHW, Glooble
Uncleeurope (1): 2.71828.....
WestCoastDidds (1): Shraeye
pingpongsam (1): jotheonah
MiX (1): pubby
jotheonah (2): A Drowned Kernel, faust
Not Voting (1): SpaceAnemone

#884
Galzria (4): EFHW, Glooble, SpaceAnemone, Uncleeurope
EFHW (6): Galzria, WestCoastDidds, DatSwan, Awaclus, jotheonah, MiX
jotheonah (2): A Drowned Kernel, faust
faust (1): pingpongsam
DatSwan (1): 2.71828.....
MiX (1): Shraeye
WestCoastDidds (1): pubby

[faust]

Believable claim, that solves the third-party/no-third party situation.  Probably makes for a 4 person team, not sure why Mix is saying 4 person+Traitor.  Glooble? faust? joth?  People with experience balancing?

I think scum is at least 4 people. Town seems to be kind of powerful, so maybe you could pull off 5 scum? Probably not with a Survivor also though. So if ADK is telling the truth, then I expect exactly 4 scum, barring multiball.

[faust]

The dayvig thing makes it very likely that ADK is telling the truth... scum wouldn't have 2 extra killing roles.

Okay then. Vote: shraeye

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.13:

faust (4): joth, pubby, Glooble, Galzria
ADK (1): Uncle
Uncle (3): ADK, Awaclus, WCD
MiX (1): Space
Space (2): shraeye, PPS
shraeye (1): faust

Not Voting (3): Space, 2.7, MiX, Datswan

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.  Day 2 ends at 10:00 p.m. on August 12.