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[Glooble]

I find it strange the amount of like “compatibility” there seems to be between so many players in regards to the wording of their roles and opening QTs. I could be bias because i got like none of this info in mine... but because i didn’t... the fact that so many people seem to  have so much coordinating info.... kind of makes me skeptical of all the info.

I believe the kid mechanic, mainly because it makes sense (and Galz is IC)
Not 100% on glooble/mix at all
Still deciding about Faust

Just to clarify: there’s nothing in my role pm that implies that MiX is town. Nothing that suggests the existence of a second town-aligned skitter.

That is actually a super useful clarification.. not the vibe i was getting.
You do think MiX is town though correct? Or am i making that up in my memory?

Currently leaning that way.

[jotheonah]

Hey Galz, that Part 2 coming in today?

Here's where I am on a quick PoE/pops quiz thingie

1. faust -- still leaning scum, but probably not happening today
2. Awaclus -- remarkably townie
3. jotheonah -- hi, I'm town
4. Galzria -- IC
5. WCD -- leaning town, but persuadable
6. pps -- null, reread would be helpful
7. Datswan -- null, reread would be helpful
8. ADK -- null, reread would be helpful
9. MiX -- town I guess
10. EFHW -- dead scum
11. SpaceAnemone -- scummy vibes
12. Glooble -- leaning town, but persuadable
13. Uncleeurope -- very possibly scum
14. 2.7 -- towniest thing is the EFHW hammer, but I wish he'd stop reminding us about it
15. shraeye -- town
16. pubby -- leaning town

So I guess my scum pool is faust, Space, and Eddie, with e, ADK, Swan and pps as worthy of an additional look, and Glooble, WCD, and pubby as longshot possibilities.

I keep putting off my reread and then it gets more and more daunting. When's deadline?

[WestCoastDidds]

Joth, why do you have Shraeye as town?

[jotheonah]

Joth, why do you have Shraeye as town?

I've been reading shraeye as super townie all game. Do you think he's not?

[Galzria]

Yes yes yes - I’ll get that out today. Super pinky promise!

[2.71828.....]

14. 2.7 -- towniest thing is the EFHW hammer, but I wish he'd stop reminding us about it

Not actually true, I haven't mentioned it myself since the first IRL day of D2. I have talked about the wagon being townie though and lynching off wagon

[2.71828.....]

I guess I just haven't contributed much today though, so that is all you remember

[shraeye]

I’m actually pretty convinced we’re dealing with town!MiX right now, FWIW.

I would second that

[shraeye]

Hey, am I getting scum-read for being British??

On weekdays I might check in during work hours (5am-1.30pm forum time roughly), but I'm not doing any serious analysis, and probably not voting unless it's strictly necessary, because I'm generally really busy and working in a shared office where I don't want to set a bad example to junior colleagues. I admit this is more strict than it was a year or two back, but I have soooo much work to do these days.

Work is usually followed by a few hours of being out and about doing stuff (tonight was dinner, choir rehearsal, post-choir drinks), so any real posting I do is likely to be in the 23:00-00:30 window (6pm-7.30pm forum time). Go back and read any game of mine in the last couple of years, and you're likely to see the same sort of pattern.

#strawman

So here's the deal with Spac's lateness.  It's perfectly 100% ok to be on a delay, unlikely that anybody disagrees.  I've been super late this game.

The problem is that Space is coming in late and it feels like they are either echoing other people's analyses, or just chiming in to say where they stand.  This type of "reaction" is the easiest thing to keep churning out as scum, just choosing a side in already discussed issues.

My issue, and the thing that Space 150% skipped responding to, is a lack of proactive-ness.

Space is best Lynch today, let's see those votes.

[pubby]

Joth, why do you have Shraeye as town?

I've been reading shraeye as super townie all game. Do you think he's not?

He didn't hop on the EFHW wagon (I did't either though) and some of his reads have been off in retrospective. Personally I have him in the "leaning town" group rather than "town".

[faust]

1. faust -- still leaning scum, but probably not happening today

Didn't you promise a case on me? I'm still waiting.

[jotheonah]

1. faust -- still leaning scum, but probably not happening today

Didn't you promise a case on me? I'm still waiting.

I'm not sure it's a good use of resources, because people, including the IC, have decided that your claim is good enough for a day pass and I don't think my case is gonna be strong enough to overcome that. I'd rather find your partner and really open up both barrels on them. If you don't mind.

[WestCoastDidds]

Joth, why do you have Shraeye as town?

I've been reading shraeye as super townie all game. Do you think he's not?

I didn’t find his D1 especially townie, especially his votes since they were mostly for me and not anywhere near EFHW. More towny today, but still just in a leaning category. I’m not seeing what has him in the clear for you.

PPE: Agree with pubby

[WestCoastDidds]

I apologize for playing sporadically, folks. We have houseguests this week and one of them is a 4 year old ninja so I have half finished messages on devices left on a number of different devices thrown to the side from when I jump up to put out the next fire.

Eddie, why PPS?

Awa, is there something more than “who knows?” to be said about Eddie?

[jotheonah]

Hey EFHW, you seem to be scumreading Galzria, but you're not voting. Want to make a wagon?

This is a pretty good faust case all by itself. What a partner call.

[jotheonah]

No one! But EFHW needs some heat.

Vote: EFHW. Who wants to make a grand Glooble case?

Look at the vote count. This is not going anywhere unless you give some reason for why we should vote EFHW. And if you're not prepared to do that, please put your vote somewhere more useful.

this one too.

[jotheonah]

Eh, I'm overthinking this.

vote: MiX

That's L-1.

This is town!Glooble, but please.  Think a bit more.  Where is MiX scum?  Point me to some of his scummy posts.  I just don't see it.

Or are you voting him based on meta?  because that is a terrible case.

Not only did e hammer EFHW, but e really threw himself at trying to stop the MiX wagon. So if we assume MiX = town, we have e doing some very towny things.

But, maybe they're too towny. I mean this level of sureness about MiX, and the hammer. e almost feels more like scum aggressively playing for town points than town. is that crazy?

[jotheonah]

Shraeye is town for not voting Glooble.

Why is that towny? It seems like we often use suspecting without voting as a scumtell.

This is a slight point in shraeye's favor. If you were scum and someone was giving your partner town points, even for what you consider to be bad reasons, would you question it? I think probably not but YMMV.

[jotheonah]

Apologies for not being around for last 2 days. I don't even have a good excuse, I just did not have the opportunity to get into the game. I have now caught up.

1) The main thing I noticed upon doing my catch up is that the Mix wagon has had like 2 potential counters [Galz and E]. Both Galz and E find MiX too towny to vote for. While there is like a 0% chance we just stumbled on the skum team day 1, it is at least notable that MiX doesn't seem to be inclined to lynch Galz or E (only viable counters) as well as Galz and E both don't seem inclined to lynch MiX. That is just suspicious from every angle.... but also, again, they probably are not all skum. Makes me a little suspicious of MiX if anything.

2) Everything regarding the Galz and Pubby stuff is ridiculous imo. Pubby because it is NAI. Galz because they were responding with the PR stuff to a direct question. They didn't just go and do the work for some random reason.

3) Everything regarding the L-1 situation is a little odd. I can totally see someone messing that up - so if anything, the skummy people are the ones that were trying to paint those players as skummy.



I find the trio of Mix,E,Galz strange - so for now Vote:Mix

The timing of this vote is scummy. It's extra scummy if e is scum. But this is the vote that sort of gets the MiX wagon going again, and it's Swan's first vote of the whole day, but it's not based on much for all that.

[jotheonah]

A few people think MiX is town. Does anyone think e is town?

I will be clear and say I think MiX is scum. I am voting e because we did the wagon switcharoo thingy and reaction surrounding that is super useful. I am not opposed to an e Lynch but I would prefer a mixed lynch (shaken, not stirred).

Now that is on the table I will Vote: MiX.

this is kinda the same as the Swan vote in terms of scumminess

[jotheonah]

e could be white knighting. I don't want to go without placing a helpful vote, so

vote: e

But I'll have a chance to change it tomorrow if Galz wagon gets more support.

This ... makes e seem much townier. Kind of a dangerous place for scum!EFHW to bus when there was a perfectly good MiX wagon brewing.

[jotheonah]

unvote


I am still fine with my MiX vote. But out of respect of MiX's request to avoid a quickhammer as they have info they would like to share, I am un voting to make sure that happens.


MiX - what is it you wanted to get out?

this is actually also scummy if Swan and PPS are partners. Swan wanted to give the wagon a push, but doesn't actually want to end up on it when wagon analyses are done.

[jotheonah]

Oh I have pps' "fakeclaim": that's actually my real role.

I should put more PPEs...

pps's fakeclaim?

Ok, I see it.  At least we got to this with time to find someone else. unvote. I was voting e because he wasn't MiX.

Again though, the scummy unvote here. I don't think EFHW does this if e is town...

[jotheonah]

(sorry about all these short posts. I'm doing a reread and working on a bigger thing, but then I kept having quick observations and it sort of turned into a stream of consciousness thing)

[jotheonah]

Need more EFHW voters. If you vote before L-4 you'll get a personal thank-you note via PM once the game is concluded.

I have to admit that if this is scum!faust it's pretty dang ballsy. But we all remember what comes later, when he jumps off the wagon at the last minute. Still, in the interest of a fair analysis, this was definitely a thing that happened.