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[MiX]

If it's not public that there's Hated and Loved mechanics, it's a bit of a tell to say "most", isn't it? Besides, the wrong answer would destroy Awaclus' claim completely, so I can't see this question going anywhere.

[jotheonah]

If it's not public that there's Hated and Loved mechanics, it's a bit of a tell to say "most", isn't it? Besides, the wrong answer would destroy Awaclus' claim completely, so I can't see this question going anywhere.

I know it's a bit silly, but, taking everything at face value, Awaclus has made a claim that contradicts mod-supplied information. I don't think it's out of line to ask the mod to clarify that information.

[2.71828.....]

If it's not public that there's Hated and Loved mechanics, it's a bit of a tell to say "most", isn't it? Besides, the wrong answer would destroy Awaclus' claim completely, so I can't see this question going anywhere.

I know it's a bit silly, but, taking everything at face value, Awaclus has made a claim that contradicts mod-supplied information. I don't think it's out of line to ask the mod to clarify that information.

He has?

[2.71828.....]

Galzria is mod-confirmed to be Town.[/color]

I did this. I'm also hated now.

An individual being hated doesn't change the amount required for a lynch for everyone else

[A Drowned Kernel]

I believe he made Galz an IC, but it was intentional and a side-effect of another role he has.

Well, I guess if you want to see the fact that I'm hated as the main part of my role and ICing a random townie other than myself as the side-effect, sure, I made Galz an IC and it was intentional and a side-effect of another role I have.

That's not...I'm somewhat annoyed by the intentional misinterpretation but I like Awaclus' jokes, so I can't be mad.

Hey Vote: ADK, can you claim?

I could, that doesn't mean that I want to at the moment

[WestCoastDidds]

To sum up: scum!ADK has 2 safe claims: Matt Mason and a scum flavor with a number rating of 6 (he could've lied about the rating but it's better for him if it's lower). Therefore, if he's forced to claim, he needs to claim his real role, which is most likely "obv!scum" from town's perspective (after all, it CAN be scum). This means that scum!ADK is essencially forced to claim a much less townier role than he would otherwise need to.

I mean... yes? I thought all this was commonly understood. I'm also not sure how any of it makes ADK town, as you seem to imply.

I like that faust articulates the general sense of confusion I have with MiX. At present, I still think ADK is a fine vote.

I think Eddie is making sense, I am confused by MiX, and I like that Awaclus is engaging. I am super busy with revisions today, but I'm at a computer so I am more likely to be able to follow but not as likely to be able to string together much of coherence.

[SpaceAnemone]

Oh, also I didn’t catch ADK had claimed Matt Mason, when was that? I only saw his number claim.

That was way back here:

ADK: Please name a character form the show who is not in this game.

Matt Mason. I was, in fact, given a flavor fakeclaim, and I can see maybe see the utility in using it, but I figured that honesty would be the best policy.

What's your number?

They then followed up with #120 clarifying that Matt Mason was the fake flavour name, in case people didn't follow what faust was driving at when he'd originally challenged ADK to name a character form the show who is not in this game.

[SpaceAnemone]

In other news, could we go back to using they/them as a pronoun for the players who've said it's their preferred option? I know ADK hasn't called anyone out on all the "he/him" they've been getting lately, but I don't personally want return to being met with "default he" all over again around here...

[Swowl]

Checking in - service is way worse here than expected. I have enough to load the page each day and stay caught up, but posting is still gonna be low for 4 more days or so.

I’ll try to push a summary post out each day if service will allow it.

[MiX]

In other news, could we go back to using they/them as a pronoun for the players who've said it's their preferred option? I know ADK hasn't called anyone out on all the "he/him" they've been getting lately, but I don't personally want return to being met with "default he" all over again around here...

I was doing "they/them" for ADK when I """remembered""" they were "he/him" so I corrected it...

[Galzria]

Alright. Well, I'm not one to play IC reserved, so let's just get where I stand out on the table. I'll do this as a series of posts for now, rather than one massively long one so as to (hopefully) make it more readable.

Let's begin with "What are the Harnessed Children"?:

Now, sixteen of us in camp.  The way we've been failing in our counteroffensives, we can't all be trustworthy.  After another long march, we came across a welcome, yet depressing, sight.

Here in this clearing, there are twelve harnessed kids.  They are just standing there, silent, staring.  We need to save them, somehow.

Night Zero begins now!

"We" are Sixteen Players. Most of us are town, but not all of us. "Some" of us are untrustworthy. Collectively, we've come across something additional: Twelve Harnessed Children.

"We" are not the Children. So what are the Children, if not us? The Children are tools. They are, for lack of a better word, a collective shot-pool for scum. Scum Night Actions require the use of a Harnessed Child. They have twelve of them that can be collectively used throughout the game, instead of being 1-shot or infinite. When a Child is used, it dies.

But wait!

As the sun rises, so do our senses.  You never know from where an attack might come.  We've already lost too many.

As everyone rouses, a sad sight: the twelve harnessed children are down to eleven.  One is laid out on the ground, gone.

Day 1 begins now!

Night 0 Scum used an ability. Given general expected options (and the way certain things played out), I suspect it was to have Day Chat for D1, however I cannot absolutely confirm this at this time.

How do I know this is correct? Let's just say... that part of my role confirms it.

[Galzria]

Now, I'm going to get into reads.

Let's start with the towniest of town, and work our way down.

Town #1: Joth
- First and foremost, he's been playing crazy hard into his town meta all game. Scum!Joth is much more subtle than this, and I've been saying it since D1.
- Second, Scum were absolutely NOT content to just let EFHW get lynched. They scrambled and scrambled to try and get something else to stick. This resulted on wagons against me, and against Joth. As I'm town, it's pretty obvious scum wasn't driving a lynch from EFHW to their other scum!partner Joth.
- Third, Joth ends on the EFHW wagon. I'll just get this out there now: That wagon was townie af. There was absolutely no guarentee that it was going down, multiple people had said they categorically would not vote for EFHW, and a number of others had indicated that was the case. Joth could've said screw it, and voted faust. He could've said screw it, and voted me. He could've said screw it, and said "I definitely prefer no lynch to this BS" and left his vote on No-Lynch. If Joth doesn't come back to the EFHW wagon, that wagon doesn't happen.

- Players that have voted Joth:
MiX (82, 830, 885)
faust (497, 550, 702, 746)
ADK (733)
Eddie (887)

[Galzria]

Second most townie:

MiX:
- Nearly every player voted for him D1, pushing him up to L-1 at two different points, with two fairly different wagons. The speed and ease at which this happened just doesn't happen if MiX is scum.
- MiX also ended on the EFHW wagon, setting up the hammer. He very well could've stayed on me or on Joth - both of whom were viable late-lynch candidates.
- MiX's claim is townie. While he over-exaggerated his ability to make himself IC, it was pretty obvious from past games with him that we should've expected exactly that. As has been pointed out - MiX's idea of IC is not what anybody else considers IC.

- Players that have voted MiX:
Awaclus (130, 375)
Pubby (132, 269, 719)
Faust (133)
Galzria (218)
ADK (248, 502)
Didds (249)
Glooble (250, 384)
PPS (275, 486)
Space (292)
Joth (371)
Swan (469)
Shraeye (526, 840)

[Galzria]

Third most townie:

Datswan:
- See post 869, 2h 36m to deadline:

Swan Attempt at VC from phone - 2.5 hrs to DL


Galzria (5): EFHW, Glooble, pubby, Space, Eddie
EFHW (6): Galzria, WestCoastDidds, DatSwan, Awaclus, MiX, Joth
jotheonah (2): A Drowned Kernel, faust,
faust (1): pingpongsam
DatSwan (1): 2.71828.....
MiX (1): Shraeye

- EFHW!partner!Swan does not stay on EFHW at this point in time. Period. End of story.

Players who voted Swan:
Galzria (357, 504)
e (816)

[Galzria]

Fourth most townie:

WCD:
- In 853, Joth votes to put EFHW to L-2. This is about 6h 45m to deadline. Joth notes (first person to do so) that EFHW has a hard VLA and will be unable to defend herself. This would/should present the perfect excuse for a partner who is currently ON wagon to jump off. WCD is the next person to post in 854, 6h 15m to deadline. She notes that she does not like that EFHW will be unable to defend herself but chooses to stay ON the wagon. This is not what scum!partner!WCD would do here.
- Further, as I noted a few times yesterday, WCD has a scum!tell that she has not exhibited this game. While I believe she's capable of correcting said tell, I do not believe that she has done so here. Especially if she's unclear on exactly what that tell is.

- Players who have voted WCD:
ADK (255)
Pubby (636, 858)
Shraeye (711)

[Galzria]

Fifth up:

Awaclus:
- There isn't a whole lot to be said here. Awaclus could've just as easily stayed off of the EFHW wagon as gotten on, and nobody would've bothered to criticize him for it, because it's Awaclus.
- His claim is, overall, townie. It -could- be a scum role that also grants him some extra power at the cost of IC'ing a random town player (or even one of his choosing), but I just don't really believe it right now.

- Players who have voted Awaclus:
MiX (131, 203, 376, 419
Pubby (206
Joth (216

[Galzria]

Oh, hell. Let's do one person that's townie that was off wagon, shall we?

Pubby:
- Looking at Swan's VC at 869, there was only one mistake:

Swan Attempt at VC from phone - 2.5 hrs to DL


Galzria (5): EFHW, Glooble, pubby, Space, Eddie
EFHW (6): Galzria, WestCoastDidds, DatSwan, Awaclus, MiX, Joth
jotheonah (2): A Drowned Kernel, faust,
faust (1): pingpongsam
DatSwan (1): 2.71828.....
MiX (1): Shraeye

Pubby was no longer voting for me, but was instead voting for WCD. This vote change happened at post 858, and was 5h 3m to deadline. Given the state of the game at the point when pubby changed from voting me to voting WCD, and given the fact that pubby never came back to attempt to re-solidify a wagon anywhere else - this was a dagger in any real attempt to pull a lynch away from EFHW.

- People who have voted for Pubby:
MiX (111)
faust (127)
e (172)
Glooble (652)

[Galzria]

And now to take a break. Where does that leave us though?

Town:
Galzria
Joth
MiX
Swan
WCD
Awaclus
Pubby

Left to go over:
Eddie
Shraeye
PPS
Glooble
Space
faust
ADK
e

[faust]

Let's begin with "What are the Harnessed Children"?:

[...]

How do I know this is correct? Let's just say... that part of my role confirms it.

I can tell you right now that part of this is incorrect.

[faust]

Let's begin with "What are the Harnessed Children"?:

[...]

How do I know this is correct? Let's just say... that part of my role confirms it.

I can tell you right now that part of this is incorrect.

Ah, nevermind, I misread something. Carry on.

[Awaclus]

MiX's idea of IC is not what anybody else considers IC.

Well, if his current claim is true, then his idea of IC seems to be absolutely nothing at all.

[2.71828.....]

Man, I really wanted to be in Galzria's top 5 after I saw what he was doing. Joth and WCD beat me out?

[2.71828.....]

Let's begin with "What are the Harnessed Children"?:

[...]

How do I know this is correct? Let's just say... that part of my role confirms it.

I can tell you right now that part of this is incorrect.

Interesting.  Curious to know more

[2.71828.....]

MiX's idea of IC is not what anybody else considers IC.

Well, if his current claim is true, then his idea of IC seems to be absolutely nothing at all.

I am pretty sure he just means "really townie person that people think is town"

[2.71828.....]

Oh, hell. Let's do one person that's townie that was off wagon, shall we?

Pubby:
- Looking at Swan's VC at 869, there was only one mistake:

Swan Attempt at VC from phone - 2.5 hrs to DL


Galzria (5): EFHW, Glooble, pubby, Space, Eddie
EFHW (6): Galzria, WestCoastDidds, DatSwan, Awaclus, MiX, Joth
jotheonah (2): A Drowned Kernel, faust,
faust (1): pingpongsam
DatSwan (1): 2.71828.....
MiX (1): Shraeye

Pubby was no longer voting for me, but was instead voting for WCD. This vote change happened at post 858, and was 5h 3m to deadline. Given the state of the game at the point when pubby changed from voting me to voting WCD, and given the fact that pubby never came back to attempt to re-solidify a wagon anywhere else - this was a dagger in any real attempt to pull a lynch away from EFHW.

- People who have voted for Pubby:
MiX (111)
faust (127)
e (172)
Glooble (652)

Disagree with this assessment about pubby.  Scum didn't necessarily need to lynch anyone there, they just needed to NOT lynch EFHW. 

I do agree with your earlier statement about the EFHW wagon being super townie.