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[faust]

This is a good post and I recommend everyone actually read it even though it is long. (Not that anyone would ever just skim the thread without thoroughly reading)

I don't think we should flat out assume people are scum because they voted EFHW, as happened here a lot of the time. In large games it is easier to stomach the loss of one scum, since there are probably like 4 total, you have some backup and you need to play for the long game, so getting extra towncred is good. Some more specific disagreements.

- Awaclus joined the wagon at L-1 and then stayed there. I could easily see scum!Awaclus doing this, due to his playstyle it's not like him switching votes will convince others to do so, so he couldn't have made the Galzria wagon succeed.
- joth's behaviour towards the EFHW wagon specifically doesn't make a lot of sense; he advocated no lynch for a while, voted for me, and then came back to voting EFHW? If no lynch is an acceptable option - why come back to a lynch you don't feel great about?
- Space only pivoted to EFHW only when it was clear that the Galzria wagon wouldn't succeed, they said so themselves. The EFHW wagon was going to go through and it was better for them to be seen on it.
- I don't think that e's hammer is towny at all. Him not showing up would have tied the two of them together, and e was already under suspicion, so that's not a situation scum wants to find themselves in.

[MiX]

- Space only pivoted to EFHW only when it was clear that the Galzria wagon wouldn't succeed, they said so themselves. The EFHW wagon was going to go through and it was better for them to be seen on it.

If it weren't for Space, EFHW wouldn't be lynched (I would've stayed on joth), so I think scum just takes the no lynch.

- I don't think that e's hammer is towny at all. Him not showing up would have tied the two of them together, and e was already under suspicion, so that's not a situation scum wants to find themselves in.

How could it tie him if he didn't show up?

[MiX]

MiX, if Glooble were third party, would you inherit his win con if he were to be killed?

I don't inherit win cons. Thank god.

[faust]

- Space only pivoted to EFHW only when it was clear that the Galzria wagon wouldn't succeed, they said so themselves. The EFHW wagon was going to go through and it was better for them to be seen on it.

If it weren't for Space, EFHW wouldn't be lynched (I would've stayed on joth), so I think scum just takes the no lynch.

Space could not have known at the time they were voting that their vote would make or break the EFHW lynch (and it didn't if we believe that Eddie was ready to vote short before the deadline).

- I don't think that e's hammer is towny at all. Him not showing up would have tied the two of them together, and e was already under suspicion, so that's not a situation scum wants to find themselves in.

How could it tie him if he didn't show up?

Because he would have prevented the lynch, and he specifically said he'd be around to vote short before the deadline.

[faust]

I think WCD deserves a bit more attention, but not today.

I mean, why not today? We still have time. And lots of people, including myself, scumread WCD.

vote: WCD

I have to say this post is pretty dang townie. pubby is on the Galzria wagon, which had just pulled even with EFHW, and at that point he decides to leave it for... someone who has absolutely no votes on them. It doesn't make any sense as a partner play.

[faust]

The Galzria wagon deserves some inspection anyway. This is where it is at peak:

Galzria (5): EFHW, Glooble, pubby, Space, Eddie

DatSwan has been making a case that people on the joth wagon are scummy. What about people on this wagon? What about the fact that both me and ADK refused to join it even though it was the main alternative at the time? The only person to push both alternatives to EFHW was Eddie.

[2.71828.....]

The Galzria wagon deserves some inspection anyway. This is where it is at peak:

Galzria (5): EFHW, Glooble, pubby, Space, Eddie

DatSwan has been making a case that people on the joth wagon are scummy. What about people on this wagon? What about the fact that both me and ADK refused to join it even though it was the main alternative at the time? The only person to push both alternatives to EFHW was Eddie.

I agree that Eddie is the best vote strictly on wagon analysis. I am starting to feel like faust is scum based on his play.

That being said, I think Eddie is the better lynch today, and if he flips scum then that goes quite a way to clearing faust.

Vote: Eddie

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.6:

faust (2): joth, pubby
ADK (3): Uncle, WCD, Datswan
Uncle (4): faust, MiX, ADK, 2.7
MiX (1): Space

Not Voting (5): Awaclus, Galzria, PPS, Glooble, shraeye

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.  Day 2 ends at 10:00 p.m. on August 12.

[ashersky]

Are we allowed to know the alignment score of Colonel Dan Weaver?

No information regarding dead players is provided beyond the flip.

[Awaclus]

Vote: Eddie

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.7:

faust (2): joth, pubby
ADK (3): Uncle, WCD, Datswan
Uncle (5): faust, MiX, ADK, 2.7, Awaclus
MiX (1): Space

Not Voting (4): Galzria, PPS, Glooble, shraeye

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.  Day 2 ends at 10:00 p.m. on August 12.

[Uncleeurope]

Yup, my voting pattern is scummy beyond words. It makes me look clumsy, and extremely optimistic as a scum player.

That being said, e just set up a backup plan for after I flip town regarding Faust. Although he said it in a backwards way. Me being scum clears Faust, hmm? Well what does that mean if I flip town? Do you hold similar concerns for ADK?

Speaking of ADK, how likely do we think a town member would come out with a 6 flavor score early game unprompted? I get the feeling it is so scummy it’s towny that it’s scummy again. Town has little to gain from claiming that and would probably hesitate in favor of seeing what town thinks about the idea. That being said I am uncertain and it definitely proves a roadblock in my read.

It feels off, though. And ADK did blurt out their role info during unfortunate events as town, so...

ADK, E, Faust, Shraeye, PPS, Uncle (fine), Pubby

That’s the pool of people we should realistically lynch in. I would throw space in at this point for funnies, but we can worry about that another day.

I can easily cut myself and will be fine with ignoring Pubby today, which leaves:

ADK, E, Faust, Shraeye, PPS, Uncle, Pubby

Because of wagon analysis I think it’s reasonable to assume that there was a baddie on the Joth wagon (yes, the wagon that included me) which makes me extra suspicious of ADK/Faust. That being said, I think it is also fair to assume there is a baddie in the floaters: Pubby/Shraeye/PPS/e



I actually think it much more likely that there are two baddies in those four much more than there are two in the Joth wagon (an assertion made easier by my presence on it).

I think that e is slimy and the most likely scum on the lynch wagon.

I think PPS is being a background weevil. Although no idea how they play.

I think Shraeye is town which makes me think he is bad. (But not really)

I want to think Faust is town but his case on me makes it hard.

I think ADK is scummy based on posts.

I think I want E/ADK to die the most. Make of that what you will.

Most importantly, I will vote anybody over myself. [Insert PubbyGlasses Here]

[Uncleeurope]

Vote: Eddie

This is why I don’t like wagon analysis.

Does anyone have reasons they think I’m bad other than wagons?

I’m trying my best here, people.

I don’t know what you want from me.

[faust]

Does anyone have reasons they think I’m bad other than wagons?

Do you have reasons why we should think you're good?

[Uncleeurope]

I also think I would play better than this as scum.

[faust]

I also think I would play better than this as scum.

Well you had just subbed in, so I am cutting you some slack here

[faust]

Because of wagon analysis I think it’s reasonable to assume that there was a baddie on the Joth wagon

What does this mean?

[Uncleeurope]

Does anyone have reasons they think I’m bad other than wagons?

Do you have reasons why we should think you're good?

Nope, only reasons why other people are badder than me.

[Uncleeurope]

Because of wagon analysis I think it’s reasonable to assume that there was a baddie on the Joth wagon

What does this mean?

It was the only secondary wagon, theoretically an optimistic scum would be holding onto that. Do you disagree?

Also, when should I claim crap?

[Awaclus]

I’m trying my best here, people.

I don’t know what you want from me.

Try a bit better.

[Uncleeurope]

I’m trying my best here, people.

I don’t know what you want from me.

Try a bit better.

I am open to suggestions.

[faust]

Because of wagon analysis I think it’s reasonable to assume that there was a baddie on the Joth wagon

What does this mean?

It was the only secondary wagon, theoretically an optimistic scum would be holding onto that. Do you disagree?

Also, when should I claim crap?

For what reason do you assume that joth is town? Also there was a bigger wagon that scum would prefer to push through, it doesn't make a lot of sense for them to split the non-EFHW crowd.

You have the most information on when you should claim, so I am at a loss to understand why you would ask us about that.

[MiX]

I’m trying my best here, people.

I don’t know what you want from me.

Try a bit better.

I am open to suggestions.

Don't sub scum.

We need to make PubbyGlasses a thing. I'll start:

Vote: Awaclus 

[Uncleeurope]

Okay, the meaningless “My Meta” argument:

I don’t play scum like this for a few reasons:

1. As scum every post I create is crafted and often takes me ages to submit because I want every word to be perfect. As town first drafts are preferred.

2. I don’t give a crap about partners as scum, if I think I would find them suspicious then I would lynch them. I had already mentioned being fine to lynch EFHW, so why would I back away from that when my only reward is to look scummy? It’s not like I was saving EFHW.

[faust]

1. As scum every post I create is crafted and often takes me ages to submit because I want every word to be perfect. As town first drafts are preferred.

So which of your posts is evidence of the latter rather than the former?