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[SpaceAnemone]

Okay, found it.

Oh, sorry.. I think I just made a point that you'd already made :-(

In response to Galz's response to you, I don't think faust was being closed-minded in an unhelpful way, because I was totally in agreement with him that the flavour-numbers made no sense as a point on which to spend a lot of effort, because of the way Ash had presented them.

[SpaceAnemone]

Do you find faust towny right now?

Yes, I think so. I've correctly scum-read him in the past, but I don't think we're far enough into this game for the sort of thing he did then to show, so he can be town until proven otherwise for me, at least for now.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Do you find faust towny right now?

Yes, I think so. I've correctly scum-read him in the past, but I don't think we're far enough into this game for the sort of thing he did then to show, so he can be town until proven otherwise for me, at least for now.

Fair enough

[EFHW]

Shraeye is town for not voting Glooble.

Why is that towny? It seems like we often use suspecting without voting as a scumtell.

[SpaceAnemone]

The Swan/Mix interaction could easily be partner distancing. I think Swan just came in with a lot of thoughts suddenly without regard for overall context and that is very easy to misconstrue. Mix's angst toward faust for casing Swan, though, doesn't seem quite right. It's one thing to counter the argument much like I just did in sentence #2 above it's a whole other thing to FOS over it.

I think the Swan-MiX interaction is mostly just two people being noisy and generating content. I don't particularly agree with the directions Swan's trying to go with things, but also I agree with Galz's MiX put-down. Actually I think an Ash-RMM setup easily has the potential for both of them to have anti-town wincons without necessarily even being partners. I'm not sure that helps me at all with the question of where to put my vote.

Actually, let's go with vote: MiX, now that I've looked at the count and subsequent votes, and reassured myself it's not an early derphammer.

I don't get how the first quote turns into the vote. 

Actually, vote: Space

Basically Space says it is 50/50 with Mix/Swan, with potential for both to be town or both have anti-town win-cons (huge jump there...).  Then votes MiX because opportunity?

I don't quite get what you mean about it being 50/50 with the two of them. In my head I definitely already wanted to vote MiX at that stage, I just didn't say so in the post that was a response to PPS because PPS's point was about tying the two players together, not about how scummy either of them looked in isolation.

What I was saying is that I don't think the particular Swan-MiX interaction creates a correlation such that if one is scum the other has to be scum of the same faction, but also nor does it mean that if one is scum the other has to be town. The latter point is important because in simpler mafia games, it's easy to look back post-flip and think that someone arguing with scum is more likely to be town, which is exactly why people engage in the partner distancing behaviour that PPS described.

[SpaceAnemone]

Do you find faust towny right now?

Yes, I think so. I've correctly scum-read him in the past, but I don't think we're far enough into this game for the sort of thing he did then to show, so he can be town until proven otherwise for me, at least for now.

Fair enough

Ha! I now feel the need to qualify my statement to say I've correctly scum-read him on at least one occasion in the past. I don't want to misrepresent myself as some kind of infallible scum!faust-detector.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.7:

MiX (6): WCD, pubby, Space, joth, Awaclus, Glooble
Galzria (2): faust, EFHW
Awaclus (1): MiX
2.7 (4): gkrieg, Galzria, PPS, ADK

Not Voting (3): Datswan, shraeye, 2.7

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at 6:00 a.m. on July 31.

[shraeye]

It’s a good point...DatSwan, what are you thinking? You’ve had lots to say but not voting? I assume Shraeye is still catching up.

What makes you assume that?

[shraeye]

Shraeye is town for not voting Glooble.

Why is that towny? It seems like we often use suspecting without voting as a scumtell.

Yeah, I meant to ask this too.  Then didn't.  So, what gives?

[jotheonah]

Vote Count 1.7:

MiX (6): WCD, pubby, Space, joth, Awaclus, Glooble
Galzria (2): faust, EFHW
2.7 (1) gkrieg
Awaclus (1): MiX
2.7 (3): Galzria, PPS, ADK

Not Voting (3): Datswan, shraeye, 2.7

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at 6:00 a.m. on July 31.

e's wagon here is bifurcated

[A Drowned Kernel]

Shraeye is town for not voting Glooble.

Why is that towny? It seems like we often use suspecting without voting as a scumtell.

Yeah, I meant to ask this too.  Then didn't.  So, what gives?

Are you saying didds shouldn't find you towny?

[ashersky]

e's wagon here is bifurcated

Fixed.  Thanks.  Phone Vote Counts are hard.

[WestCoastDidds]

It’s a good point...DatSwan, what are you thinking? You’ve had lots to say but not voting? I assume Shraeye is still catching up.

What makes you assume that?

Because you were gone, then you came back and made a flurry of posts but didn’t vote, and then went quiet again...I assumed you were catching up. Or at least following along. Is that wrong? Are you sitting out intentionally?

[shraeye]

Shraeye is town for not voting Glooble.

Why is that towny? It seems like we often use suspecting without voting as a scumtell.

Yeah, I meant to ask this too.  Then didn't.  So, what gives?

Are you saying didds shouldn't find you towny?

A) No
B) wrong person

[jotheonah]

e's wagon here is bifurcated

Fixed.  Thanks.  Phone Vote Counts are hard.

You’re talking to the guy who has screwed up nearly every vote count he’s ever written.

[jotheonah]

Let’s vote: e

See what everybody does with two equally viable L-4s.

[MiX]

there is absolutely no way you want tgis to get through if you're town.

What are the reasons why town can't possibly want your lynch to get through? Do you think there are 6 scum?

I usually see purpose in your votes, but I didn't with that one. I think it's simply because it's on me, but maybe it's also the fact my wagon was already growing really fast and you didn't have to vote. But I can see your point of view now....

Shraeye is town for not voting Glooble.

Why is that towny? It seems like we often use suspecting without voting as a scumtell.

I misremembered shraeye's scum meta, forgot he always hates voting. This is where I would vote him but he's towny regardless of this.

Let’s vote: e

See what everybody does with two equally viable L-4s.

Is the E case "MiX is scum and E was defending him, so E is scum"? That is terrible.

[faust]

Vote: jotheonah

[faust]

shraeye, why did you not bring up no lynch yet?

[Swowl]

Apologies for not being around for last 2 days. I don't even have a good excuse, I just did not have the opportunity to get into the game. I have now caught up.

1) The main thing I noticed upon doing my catch up is that the Mix wagon has had like 2 potential counters [Galz and E]. Both Galz and E find MiX too towny to vote for. While there is like a 0% chance we just stumbled on the skum team day 1, it is at least notable that MiX doesn't seem to be inclined to lynch Galz or E (only viable counters) as well as Galz and E both don't seem inclined to lynch MiX. That is just suspicious from every angle.... but also, again, they probably are not all skum. Makes me a little suspicious of MiX if anything.

2) Everything regarding the Galz and Pubby stuff is ridiculous imo. Pubby because it is NAI. Galz because they were responding with the PR stuff to a direct question. They didn't just go and do the work for some random reason.

3) Everything regarding the L-1 situation is a little odd. I can totally see someone messing that up - so if anything, the skummy people are the ones that were trying to paint those players as skummy.



I find the trio of Mix,E,Galz strange - so for now Vote:Mix

[Swowl]

also general note based on read back - everyone is aware we are plurality lynch until 9 players remain yes?

[Swowl]

It’s a good point...DatSwan, what are you thinking? You’ve had lots to say but not voting? I assume Shraeye is still catching up.

i am really really just lost this game so far tbh.

[MiX]

also general note based on read back - everyone is aware we are plurality lynch until 9 players remain yes?

No. Oh boy. I reeeeally need a good case if I wanna live this day.

Potential lynches today in order of likelyness: MiX (obv!town, bad lynch), e (he's defending me so he gets a pass, could be scum but...I'll need to think), Galz (town, ok), Awaclus (not scum, current read is third-party, probably just OMGUS), Glooble (some people wanted that? Forgot why), joth (I've been assuming he's town, maybe I shouldn't), Swan (I think? Super towny anyway).

Is the above sorta correct? I'll reread all of these (except Galz, not doing that today) and see if I want any.

[Glooble]

Let’s vote: e

See what everybody does with two equally viable L-4s.

This doesn’t really make any sense.

If MiX is town, e is definitely not scummy for defending him (I would argue that even if MiX is scum e isn’t scummy for defending him, but let’s not muddy the waters.) Scum!e almost certainly joins the MiX wagon or at least doesn’t derail it.

If you think they’re partners why are you moving your vote to make two equally viable wagons? Seems to me like that’s just going to make both of them stall out.

Are you saying “MiX lynch isn’t going to happen so let’s focus on his partner, e?” Because that also doesn’t work because anyone who thinks MiX is town isn’t going to want to lynch e for defending MiX.

[shraeye]

shraeye, why did you not bring up no lynch yet?

It hadn't occured to me