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[EFHW]

If I'm not mistaken mix is at L-2, not L-1. Awaclus switched to galz and then back to mix

Party-Pooper.

Are you trying to draw out unnecessary useful claims reactions & interactions?

vote: galz

Yes.

So it was on purpose?

[Galzria]

If I'm not mistaken mix is at L-2, not L-1. Awaclus switched to galz and then back to mix

Party-Pooper.

Are you trying to draw out unnecessary useful claims reactions & interactions?

vote: galz

Yes.

So it was on purpose?

I did not realize that it wasn’t L-1, no. However the intent-to-hammer (not the actual act of hammering) was meant to draw reactions - something I stand by. That is to say, had he been L-1, I would’ve done the same.

I still think MiX is scummy, that he’s played scummy, that his voting pattern is scummy & that his mischaracterization of play to create suspicion is scummy.

However I don’t believe he’s the best lynch for today, and look forward to using his wagon - and who reacted to it and in what ways - as analysis in the future.

[jotheonah]

If I'm not mistaken mix is at L-2, not L-1. Awaclus switched to galz and then back to mix

Party-Pooper.

Are you trying to draw out unnecessary useful claims reactions & interactions?

vote: galz

Yes.

So it was on purpose?

I did not realize that it wasn’t L-1, no. However the intent-to-hammer (not the actual act of hammering) was meant to draw reactions - something I stand by. That is to say, had he been L-1, I would’ve done the same.

I still think MiX is scummy, that he’s played scummy, that his voting pattern is scummy & that his mischaracterization of play to create suspicion is scummy.

However I don’t believe he’s the best lynch for today, and look forward to using his wagon - and who reacted to it and in what ways - as analysis in the future.

How much more useful is that wagon if we lynch MiX today and then have a flip to analyze with it though? Let's skip the half-measures and go for it. Plus he's scum.

[EFHW]

Why are we questioning Galz? It was Glooble who made the mistake.

[EFHW]

Eh, I'm overthinking this.

vote: MiX

That's L-1.

[2.71828.....]

ok, let's just remember that it's Glooble who misidentified L1. Galz and I just took his word for it. if anyone's trying to draw out claims...

I read it as a joke.

How do these go together? The party pooper comment is the joke?

Trying to get how you go from taking Glooble's word for L-1 bring true to bring "in" on the joke

[2.71828.....]

I also had no clue what the actual vote count was just too the word of people saying L-1

[2.71828.....]

Why are we questioning Galz? It was Glooble who made the mistake.

It seemed like it was Galz to me with the intent to hammer post and the party pooper post. But good point.

Unvote for now

[faust]

I did not realize that it wasn’t L-1, no. However the intent-to-hammer (not the actual act of hammering) was meant to draw reactions - something I stand by. That is to say, had he been L-1, I would’ve done the same.

I get drawing out reactions, but you lied and risked a claim.

[Galzria]

I did not realize that it wasn’t L-1, no. However the intent-to-hammer (not the actual act of hammering) was meant to draw reactions - something I stand by. That is to say, had he been L-1, I would’ve done the same.

I get drawing out reactions, but you lied and risked a claim.

I would’ve been ok with him claiming. I still think he may be scum. I didn’t lie. I didn’t know it wasn’t L-1.

[faust]

I did not realize that it wasn’t L-1, no. However the intent-to-hammer (not the actual act of hammering) was meant to draw reactions - something I stand by. That is to say, had he been L-1, I would’ve done the same.

I get drawing out reactions, but you lied and risked a claim.

I would’ve been ok with him claiming. I still think he may be scum. I didn’t lie. I didn’t know it wasn’t L-1.

You said you had intent to hammer. The post I quoted suggests you didn't.

[Galzria]

I did not realize that it wasn’t L-1, no. However the intent-to-hammer (not the actual act of hammering) was meant to draw reactions - something I stand by. That is to say, had he been L-1, I would’ve done the same.

I get drawing out reactions, but you lied and risked a claim.

I would’ve been ok with him claiming. I still think he may be scum. I didn’t lie. I didn’t know it wasn’t L-1.

You said you had intent to hammer. The post I quoted suggests you didn't.

And every person that’s ever placed a pressure vote with no intent to lynch has lied too 

Sorry. Don’t really buy that. It was and is a pro town way to generate valuable content.

[jotheonah]

Why are we questioning Galz? It was Glooble who made the mistake.

It seemed like it was Galz to me with the intent to hammer post and the party pooper post. But good point.

Unvote for now

Was this a good point when I made it or only when EFHW made it?

[Glooble]

For the record, I genuinely just miscounted. I think I did count Awaclus twice.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Why are we questioning Galz? It was Glooble who made the mistake.

I read galz's comment to mean that his "mistake" was intentional. If it had been intentional I would have said it was towny, knowing that it's not is null

[pubby]

Anyone know what the vote count is?

[SpaceAnemone]

Anyone know what the vote count is?

Ah, looks like I can come back in and actually be useful! I'll go get my vote counter set up for this game now.

(Busy day here. MiX wagon fun looked interesting, and my immediate thought on Galz playing for reactions is that it seems fair enough).

[SpaceAnemone]

Space Count

MiX (6): WestCoastDidds, pubby, SpaceAnemone, jotheonah, Awaclus, Glooble
Galzria (2): faust, EFHW
2.71828..... (4): gkrieg13, Galzria, pingpongsam, A Drowned Kernel
Awaclus (1): MiX
Not Voting (3): DatSwan, Shraeye, 2.71828.....

[Awaclus]

there is absolutely no way you want tgis to get through if you're town.

What are the reasons why town can't possibly want your lynch to get through? Do you think there are 6 scum?

[SpaceAnemone]

Eh I’m sad that no one is voting me right now. My flight got delayed (originally they said I wouldn’t get home until Sunday...) so I may be V/LA a little longer. I have not been keeping up very well but shraeyes posts gave me a little taste of how the game has been going. E’s post seems like something he did as scum in the last game so vote: e

Do you mean the following post from e?

Shraeye's posts are great. Not lynching today

Is throwing someone a D1 pass for making good posts specifically something e would be less likely to do as town?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Space Count

MiX (6): WestCoastDidds, pubby, SpaceAnemone, jotheonah, Awaclus, Glooble
Galzria (2): faust, EFHW
2.71828..... (4): gkrieg13, Galzria, pingpongsam, A Drowned Kernel
Awaclus (1): MiX
Not Voting (3): DatSwan, Shraeye, 2.71828.....

That's a lot of people not voting

[SpaceAnemone]

All that aside, apparently nobody feels my Faust case, despite it being one of the better cases for actual scum play made at this point in the game. So...

I did just go back and look at your case, which was:

The intentional attempt to suppress information with no bother or care as to why that may be a bad thing is scummy. He’s simply dismissing arguments in a “I know better than you so too bad” fashion and is unwilling to debate the actual merits of something that could, in fact, be valuable to town later on but is forever lost if we just brush it aside and don’t follow through with it early.

I think your characterization of faust's shutting-down of discussion is a bit subjective. I assume you're talking about the way he was arguing with Swan about whether the flavour numbers were useful, but possibly it's the way he cautioned WCD about the artifacts. In the first instance, I absolutely believe that he was on the right lines, because Swan seemed to be at risk of devoting lots of brainpower to something that appeared to stem from a misinterpretation of something Ash had written.

Also, when do we ever lynch faust D1? Even if he winds up having drawn scum, we can pretty much guarantee that are other people on that team who're less likely to feel that they have to post town-useful content just to keep their cover, and we're better off trying to lynch them before faust, since that way we still get free advice...

[SpaceAnemone]

Space Count

MiX (6): WestCoastDidds, pubby, SpaceAnemone, jotheonah, Awaclus, Glooble
Galzria (2): faust, EFHW
2.71828..... (4): gkrieg13, Galzria, pingpongsam, A Drowned Kernel
Awaclus (1): MiX
Not Voting (3): DatSwan, Shraeye, 2.71828.....

That's a lot of people not voting

We've got quite a few days left. I think I'm often one of the most indecisive ones, but then I usually regret it later in the game when I'm trying to analyse wagons because having myself on there in green is useful.

In this case, e has actually been voting, it's just that he unvoted lately. Swan and Shraeye are the two who've yet to lay down any votes.

[A Drowned Kernel]

All that aside, apparently nobody feels my Faust case, despite it being one of the better cases for actual scum play made at this point in the game. So...

I did just go back and look at your case, which was:

The intentional attempt to suppress information with no bother or care as to why that may be a bad thing is scummy. He’s simply dismissing arguments in a “I know better than you so too bad” fashion and is unwilling to debate the actual merits of something that could, in fact, be valuable to town later on but is forever lost if we just brush it aside and don’t follow through with it early.

I think your characterization of faust's shutting-down of discussion is a bit subjective. I assume you're talking about the way he was arguing with Swan about whether the flavour numbers were useful, but possibly it's the way he cautioned WCD about the artifacts. In the first instance, I absolutely believe that he was on the right lines, because Swan seemed to be at risk of devoting lots of brainpower to something that appeared to stem from a misinterpretation of something Ash had written.

Also, when do we ever lynch faust D1? Even if he winds up having drawn scum, we can pretty much guarantee that are other people on that team who're less likely to feel that they have to post town-useful content just to keep their cover, and we're better off trying to lynch them before faust, since that way we still get free advice...

Do you find faust towny right now?

[WestCoastDidds]

It’s a good point...DatSwan, what are you thinking? You’ve had lots to say but not voting? I assume Shraeye is still catching up.