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[Haddock]

There is only 1 RCWP,  so one of the yellows should be red, one is correct, and one red should be white or blue, 4/1/pps. OR one yellow is correct, one red should be yellow and one yellow should be white or blue. That would mean 5/1/pps.

Innocent result on Jake suggests iguana has to be scum. Jake could still be non killing third party.

This is correct.
And I agree that Jake seems very likely scum.

Jake could only still be non-killing 3rd party if there is also another scum left to find after iguana.  So that seems like a bit of a blind alley.

I mean iguana, in the bolded part.

[Haddock]

The main thing that's making me doubt re iguana is the claimed jk.
if scum!iguana was jailkept, who did the killing?

[Haddock]

The main thing that's making me doubt re iguana is the claimed jk.
if scum!iguana was jailkept, who did the killing?

I guess, knowing that my WW flipping town meant that my results pointed squarely at him, scum!iguana would have used any Strongman abilities last night.

[EFHW]

Haddock, can you remind me what game you are from?

[Haddock]

If I assume that gkrieg (or Awaclus) was a 1-shot Godfather on N3, I can't find anything consistent across all my night's results.  (There might be something I've missed, Space, can you check this?)


If I assume that WW was Framed on N3, the only thing I can find is:

schadd, gkrieg, Awaclus: Yellow
EFHW, iguana: Yellow
Jake: White
Everyone else red.

I can FEEL WW turning in his grave, so I want to note that by no means am I claiming this is the only possibility this time.  I doubt this one, frankly. 
But, y'know.  It's possible.


I still want to try to find something consistent with the setup where we have either iguana or Jake as Yellow (but not both) and one other non-town colour.  Nothing yet.

[Haddock]

Haddock, can you remind me what game you are from?

RMM4

[SpaceAnemone]

We know odd-night/even-night alignments are something faust considered for this game because of PPS's flip, so I think we should be considering how a second one of those would interact with the Mastermind results. Has anyone already tried reasoning about the puzzle with an odd-night/even-night alignment in there?

[Haddock]

We know odd-night/even-night alignments are something faust considered for this game because of PPS's flip, so I think we should be considering how a second one of those would interact with the Mastermind results. Has anyone already tried reasoning about the puzzle with an odd-night/even-night alignment in there?

I haven't tried this.
Good thought.

Might explain the way the kills have gone/not gone.
Inverse of PPS, do we think?

[EFHW]

I tracked Haddock N2, and received back no targets. Haddock himself confirmed that he does not target anyone with his power.  Godfather, framer etc. all require being targeted by an investigation to have their effect.  So these effects should be irrelevant to the puzzle. I said this a long time ago, but it bears repeating since they keep being brought up as possible factors.

[EFHW]

We know odd-night/even-night alignments are something faust considered for this game because of PPS's flip, so I think we should be considering how a second one of those would interact with the Mastermind results. Has anyone already tried reasoning about the puzzle with an odd-night/even-night alignment in there?

I brought this up awhile ago. No one could remember another role with alternating alignments.

[Haddock]

I tracked Haddock N2, and received back no targets. Haddock himself confirmed that he does not target anyone with his power.  Godfather, framer etc. all require being targeted by an investigation to have their effect.  So these effects should be irrelevant to the puzzle. I said this a long time ago, but it bears repeating since they keep being brought up as possible factors.

I've confirmed with faust that I would see Godfathers as red.  I think the interpretation being that a Godfather doesn't have to be targetted by an investigation, it just has to be investigated at all for its ability to come into play.

So Godfather isn't totally irrelevant.
But my stance is as it always was: someone being a permanent Godfather wouldn't have the effect that we're seeing, so it would have to be an X-Shot Godfather that got used, probably (almost certainly, in fact, given last night's results) on N3. 

I am confirming with faust whether Framer would affect my results.  I assume it would make the person appear scum-coloured to me.

[EFHW]

Have all the items in the game been identified?

Ppe: Logically there should be no effect, but faust's interpretation is what counts.

[EFHW]

N3 is where the models really fall apart.

[Haddock]

It occurs that claiming vig with a bunch of powers is an AWESOME fakeclaim for an SK.

I think I really want to lynch iguana here.  I know it's too early to decide, but two night's worth of results point heavily towards Jake or iguana being non-town.  Together with WW's innocent result on Jake...

[EFHW]

I think Chairs is town.

Why??

[Haddock]

It occurs that claiming vig with a bunch of powers is an AWESOME fakeclaim for an SK.

I think I really want to lynch iguana here.  I know it's too early to decide, but two night's worth of results point heavily towards Jake or iguana being non-town.  Together with WW's innocent result on Jake...

Iguana being SK would also explain his helping to kill scum, and generally being helpful with things, despite incriminating results.

I guess if he wants to admit to being another survivor with some kind of a vig ability...


Iguana, at the very least I want a more solid explanation of your reasoning re. chairs and Dylan.

[EFHW]

If we're trusting the puzzle, iguana has to be yellow. Jake investigated as innocent, so he can't be yellow. So iguana wouldn't be 3rd party.

[EFHW]

What night did WW cop Jake?

[Haddock]

If we're trusting the puzzle, iguana has to be yellow. Jake investigated as innocent, so he can't be yellow. So iguana wouldn't be 3rd party.

Yellow could be 3rd party, remember - my results being messed with on N3 means we no longer know for sure which colour scum is.

[Haddock]

The report back from faust regarding framer is that it WOULD affect my results.  In a fairly complicated way depending on the exact nature of the framing.  But it would definitely do something.

[iguanaiguana]

Alright, dammit, I am a frigging survivor.

[iguanaiguana]

Winning the game for you fools and now you are going to kill me

[iguanaiguana]

The last mafia is Dylan.

[Haddock]

Alright, dammit, I am a frigging survivor.

Cool.

Convince us: what game?

[iguanaiguana]

I SAVED YOUR LIFE,  Haddock. I won this game for town. Don't you dare lynch me now.