@Haddock, how much do you feel that you can trust your results? WW flipping town was absolutely not consistent with results so far. What are your theories?
Indeed, it absolutely wasn't. I still feel my results are trustworthy on the whole. Especially when considering each night in isolation. So last night's results, for instance, say that at least one of iguana and Jake is yellow. Framer is the only thing that could screw with that, since I'm un-redirectable. At some point we have to believe that my results are right - they can't have been screwed with EVERY night.
The only thing I can think of is that scum used some sort of factional X-shot Godfather ability on N3, or Framed WW on N3.
I'm checking both of those possibilities now. Any chance you could also check them with your checker? (Remembering that we no longer necessarily know that the normal scum colour is yellow.)
There's still no reason to believe that there's a permanent Godfather out there - that couldn't have made my results inconsistent with one another.
I believe that either way (either gkrieg being a N3 Godfather or WW being Framed) still means that N3's results (on their own, without any further information) still implicate one of iguana and Jake.
That's consistent with last night's results, which also implicate one of iguana and Jake.
WW made key feel pretty terrible :/
As you can tell, I nearly dropped out of this game entirely. Better that than have a huge decline in civility, which we were very very close to.
At least ine of these should be scum:
Chairs
Dylan
Haddock's results mean that there must be one yellow left, correct?
Not that Haddock's results mean anything - unless he got another mod correciton, or the rules we've been using to solve the puzzle are wrong.
Once Chairs and Dylan claim what they did last night, I'll say more.
I don't understand your reasoning re. Chairs and Dylan.
My results do mean there has to be a yellow left.
And they DO still mean something.
For instance: The only way that there could actually NOT be a yellow left is if someone framed one of you and Jake. And then that implies there's a yellow left anyway, because who else did the framing?
My guess
Dylan32 - Red
2.71828..... - Red
EFHW - Red
Haddock - Red
JaketheBaseballGod22 - Yellow
chairs - Red
iguanaiguana - Yellow
Response:
Right colour right place 5
Right colour wrong place 1
So this means there are 2 scum left and one of them is either iguana or Jake!
Correct.
As far as I can tell (considering ONLY last night's result), there are either:
1 yellow and 1 white/blue left, and exactly one of iguana/Jake is yellow (probably iguana, since WW copped Jake innocent)
or
2 yellows and 1 white/blue, in which case iguana and Jake are both non-town (one yellow, one white/blue).
Either way I lean strongly towards an iguana lynch. N4's results implicate him or Jake, and also N3's results implicate him AND Jake (and even if there was a Framer/Godfather N3 they implicate at least ONE of iguana/Jake).
Add wrong color = 1, changes everything. You probably assumed we would assume it .... 1 scum left, 1 non-mafia non-town. If there were 2 scum left, there would be 2 RCWP. At least there's no cult. I was really getting into the idea of "Jake the Cult Leader" though.
I don't entirely understand this post. I believe you are saying the same thing as I said above, though, so we agree.
There could still be 2 scum left if it went something like:
iguana: yellow
Jake: blue
One other person: Yellow
everyone else: red.
That would be consistent with last night's results. (still only 1 RCWP)
There is only 1 RCWP, so one of the yellows should be red, one is correct, and one red should be white or blue, 4/1/pps. OR one yellow is correct, one red should be yellow and one yellow should be white or blue. That would mean 5/1/pps.
Innocent result on Jake suggests iguana has to be scum. Jake could still be non killing third party.
This is correct.
And I agree that Jake seems very likely scum.
Jake could only still be non-killing 3rd party if there is also another scum left to find after iguana. So that seems like a bit of a blind alley.
There is only 1 RCWP, so one of the yellows should be red, one is correct, and one red should be white or blue, 4/1/pps. OR one yellow is correct, one red should be yellow and one yellow should be white or blue. That would mean 5/1/pps.
Innocent result on Jake suggests iguana has to be scum. Jake could still be non killing third party.
Except we lynched based on those results yesterday expecting 100% accuracy and hit town....
Yesterday we lynched on the assumption that the results were consistent night-to-night and with flips, ie. no X-shot Godfather/Framer. I still believe it was the right thing to do, without outside information.
So now we know that N3's results have been messed with.
But now, without assuming any consistency with flips or anything, last night's results alone implicate either you or Jake.
As chairs says, this mastermind thing is a pain in the arse, but it's still a powerful tool which we should use, not ignore. My results having been messed with once makes it LESS likely they'll be messed with again, not more so.