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[iguanaiguana]

It should be mandatory to go read the role of each flipped person.

[iguanaiguana]

The silence in the thread also reads to me that scum are pretty happy with the current status quo, which is lynching Jake.

The status quo atm is no lynch, so I don't agree that you can conclude this.

We are maybe moving toward no lynch because I started pushing for Gkrieg instead of Jake. Before that we had more than half of living players ready to lynch Jake. From my perspective that looks town indicative for Jake and scummy for Gkrieg.

But I do understand how you could see that as me looking like Jake's partner. I'm not, though.

[iguanaiguana]

Let's not no lynch. Let's lynch Gkrieg and get a scum.

[Awaclus]

Let's not no lynch. Let's lynch Gkrieg and get a scum.

We won't no lynch, the player with the most votes is lynched.

[Galzria]

Let's not no lynch. Let's lynch Gkrieg and get a scum.

Or, you know, we could not let you derail a scum buddy in Jake.

[Galzria]

Let's not no lynch. Let's lynch Gkrieg and get a scum.

We won't no lynch, the player with the most votes is lynched.

Only the first time

[Galzria]

Galzria Gollum / Smeagol flips between the different alignments each full day+night.

That's not relevant

[iguanaiguana]

Let's not no lynch. Let's lynch Gkrieg and get a scum.

Or, you know, we could not let you derail a scum buddy in Jake.

You are wrong and I will be vindicated of that by the end of the game ^^ Maybe by then I will also be able to learn why you chose to play so strangely.

[Awaclus]

Let's not no lynch. Let's lynch Gkrieg and get a scum.

We won't no lynch, the player with the most votes is lynched.

Only the first time

Oh.

[Haddock]

Haddock it's two traitors because Caitlin Frost, who was a traitor in their previous game, is the only role that can freeze people.

Ah yes I remember.  Thanks, that makes sense. 

Yeah we need to be moving towards a lynch now.  I'm happy with either Jake or gkrieg.  Or even Swan though not so much now, after all the PoEs etc.

I'll vote: gkrieg just to try to move things along.  Meanwhile can people also answer this question?

And I'm getting paranoid about my townread on iguana again - anyone else feeling that way?

[iguanaiguana]

I don't feel that way, Haddock.

[Galzria]

Haddock it's two traitors because Caitlin Frost, who was a traitor in their previous game, is the only role that can freeze people.

Ah yes I remember.  Thanks, that makes sense. 

Yeah we need to be moving towards a lynch now.  I'm happy with either Jake or gkrieg.  Or even Swan though not so much now, after all the PoEs etc.

I'll vote: gkrieg just to try to move things along.  Meanwhile can people also answer this question?

And I'm getting paranoid about my townread on iguana again - anyone else feeling that way?

I think he's said townie things, and I think he's been a little bit abrasive - but I feel he plays that way more as scum than town. Certainly I felt that way as his scum partner in 100 - especially seeing him as town in follow up games where he definitely felt... less so. That is to say - I find he's more talkative and tends to come off with townier sounding posts when he's scum, and less talkative and scummier when he's town.

I also think that IF Ash flips town, then almost certainly one of him/Datswan are scum - and right now I lean a stronger town on DatSwan than I do on Iguana. If Ash flips scum, then I would re-evaluate. But I do not believe that the top 6 were all town except for PPS as the SK/Survivor.

[iguanaiguana]

Haddock it's two traitors because Caitlin Frost, who was a traitor in their previous game, is the only role that can freeze people.

Ah yes I remember.  Thanks, that makes sense. 

Yeah we need to be moving towards a lynch now.  I'm happy with either Jake or gkrieg.  Or even Swan though not so much now, after all the PoEs etc.

I'll vote: gkrieg just to try to move things along.  Meanwhile can people also answer this question?

And I'm getting paranoid about my townread on iguana again - anyone else feeling that way?

I think he's said townie things, and I think he's been a little bit abrasive - but I feel he plays that way more as scum than town. Certainly I felt that way as his scum partner in 100 - especially seeing him as town in follow up games where he definitely felt... less so. That is to say - I find he's more talkative and tends to come off with townier sounding posts when he's scum, and less talkative and scummier when he's town.

I also think that IF Ash flips town, then almost certainly one of him/Datswan are scum - and right now I lean a stronger town on DatSwan than I do on Iguana. If Ash flips scum, then I would re-evaluate. But I do not believe that the top 6 were all town except for PPS as the SK/Survivor.

You are the only one who has ever described my scum games in this way. I lurk as scum because I don't know how to treat my partners. Pretty well documented. I crack really easily under pressure too.

[Dylan32]

Last night I was in the middle of typing my thoughts after reading gkrieg and my battery died. Decided going to bed was more important than rebooting just to post one more time. So gkrieg has a bunch of "busy, I'll catch up later," which I hope and will assume just means he actually is busy irl. He does have several posts that are typical, alignment neutral catch up posts. Some good points, but in general didn't rock the boat with any of his reads. I could be wrong, but he usually seems to have at least one opinion that either doesn't match most of town early on, or is/acts more confident in a read than other people think is warranted. He doesn't really do that here though, which makes me wonder if the reads are being faked here.

Ultimately, I'd vote for either Jake or gkrieg right now. Where do the two wagons currently stand?

[Awaclus]

I think it's 4/4. It was 5/3 in the last vote count and then Haddock moved from Jake to gkrieg.

[EFHW]

Space, e, and chairs are being quiet. And gkrieg and Jake.

[Galzria]

Space, e, and chairs are being quiet. And gkrieg and Jake.

Space *may* be gone? They never confirmed what "3 days" meant. If it was IRL days, the zombie may have decomposed.

[gkrieg13]

Ok getting around to catching up and rereading now.

[iguanaiguana]

Space, e, and chairs are being quiet. And gkrieg and Jake.

Space *may* be gone? They never confirmed what "3 days" meant. If it was IRL days, the zombie may have decomposed.

Go read their role description. Pretty sure they meant 3 gamephase days. Still in the vote count too.

[Galzria]

Space, e, and chairs are being quiet. And gkrieg and Jake.

Space *may* be gone? They never confirmed what "3 days" meant. If it was IRL days, the zombie may have decomposed.

Go read their role description. Pretty sure they meant 3 gamephase days. Still in the vote count too.

I don't need to. I was I  the game. I came back 3 times. Doesn't mean Faust didn't edit it and Space hasn't posted since saying 3 days.

Them being in the post count is relevant though.

[gkrieg13]

Okay, well, if I'm reading this right, from Night 1, at most three players in

{EFHW, gkrieg, Jake, Dylan, IG, Silver}

can be town,

so there are at least three scum in there? Silver is frozen so that narrows it down; IG has been pretty townie.  That leaves {EFHW, gkrieg, Jake, Dylan}.

Just read this, and we are assuming that silver is town because of being frozen, but that may not be the best assumption to make.  Also one more important thing to note is that WW is also excluding himself from this analysis and saying he is town.

[gkrieg13]

Also, I doctored EFHW last night, which again *could* account for a lack of NK. My choice was based on the IC's vote of support for their towniness yesterday.

I think this is important for us to remember, we haven't really had a night kill yet, which either means that traitors were recruited, or the NK was blocked in some way.

[gkrieg13]

Hmm.

Yeah, based on what I know about last Night and on today's analysis, I'll vote: Jake.

If chairs is being removed from people's lynch pools based on his townieness, what do they think of this?  To be clear, I don't want chairs to clarify anything about his role.

[gkrieg13]

Also, e, I provided you a meal last night. Hope it was yummy.

Really? I didn't get any meal that I know of

That's interesting. Really? Then I was probably blocked or redirected last night. Seems a lot of people/actions targeted me last night. Fascinating.

Sadly, still gonna die tonight most likely.

Also, doesn't change anything else.

List of items I know are in the game:

3 Literjons of water
French Accent
Pot
Dagger
Sword Stick (Destroyed - no longer in game).

Would have to reread more to figure this out myself, but do you do any item swapping?

[gkrieg13]

I am not against lynching DatSwan.

It is also worth noting that Gkrieg has been more involved than Jake, but that doesn't really make Gkrieg more likely town, given their metas.

It is interesting how quickly the Jake wagon grew from only PoE (also, it was PoE from only my perspective). Makes it feel more like a mislynch. If Jake does end up scum, I suspect people that jumped on the wagon early to be his partners.

I wouldn't completely assume that the wagon grew only from PoE.  I think Jake also hasn't done anything townie this game, and his unwillingness to claim ever is definitely not very townie in a closed RMM.