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[Witherweaver]

EFHW, where do you stand right now?

I've been spending all my time trying to figure out this puzzle! I've mostly been analyzing 5 Y/ 2 B/ PPS. From the N1 data, it looks like chairs is yellow, and from the N2 data WW is yellow and Dylan is blue. But N3 it all falls apart.

I just find 3/2/pps really unlikely, but I'll have to look at the couple that are possibilities next.

Does anyone think my cult idea is a possibility? It was RMM32. faust would hopefully have made some changes, since the game had some issues, but it could explain why N3 of 5 Y/2 B/PPS doesn't work.

I do not think the puzzle is valid.

Cult is possible.. anything is possible.  We need to actually play the game.

[Witherweaver]

WW is clearly scum here

Do you have anything constructive? Why did you even think I was scum in the first place?

[Witherweaver]

EFHW, where do you stand right now?

I've been spending all my time trying to figure out this puzzle! I've mostly been analyzing 5 Y/ 2 B/ PPS. From the N1 data, it looks like chairs is yellow, and from the N2 data WW is yellow and Dylan is blue. But N3 it all falls apart.

I just find 3/2/pps really unlikely, but I'll have to look at the couple that are possibilities next.

Does anyone think my cult idea is a possibility? It was RMM32. faust would hopefully have made some changes, since the game had some issues, but it could explain why N3 of 5 Y/2 B/PPS doesn't work.

I do not think the puzzle is valid.

Cult is possible.. anything is possible.  We need to actually play the game.

And by this I mean, we need to use reads.  Chairs' claim is bad. Dylan's I felt a little bad about as well. 

That reminds me.. Dylan claimed he was confirmed alignment to Ash as a neighbor, but that's what Masons do, not neighbors.  That's bad. Maybe enough to swing me Dylan.. need to look over Ash and Dylan's original games.

EFHW looks better after her claim. Iguana looks very good.

Jake is being annoying, but still not good to lynch today.

Haddock I think is just misguided town.

[SpaceAnemone]

Okay, embarrassing code bug fixed :-)

Here are the six possible configurations that are consistent with Haddock's three results plus the constraint that Awaclus, gkrieg and schadd should show up being the same non-red colour.

Red: EFHW, Ash, Haddock, Space, e, DatSwan, Jake, Galz, Dylan, silver
White: Awaclus, gkrieg, schadd
Yellow: chairs, WW
Blue: Iguana

Red: EFHW, Ash, Haddock, Space, e, DatSwan, Galz, Dylan, Iguana, silver
White: Awaclus, gkrieg, schadd
Yellow: chairs, WW
Blue: Jake

Red: EFHW, Ash, Haddock, Space, chairs, e, DatSwan, Jake, Galz, Dylan, silver
White: Iguana, WW
Yellow: Awaclus, gkrieg, schadd
Blue: NONE

Red: EFHW, Ash, Haddock, Space, chairs, e, DatSwan, Galz, Dylan, Iguana, silver
White: Jake, WW
Yellow: Awaclus, gkrieg, schadd
Blue: NONE

Red: Ash, Haddock, Space, e, DatSwan, Jake, Galz, Dylan, silver
White: NONE
Yellow: EFHW, Awaclus, gkrieg, schadd, chairs
Blue: Iguana, WW

Red: Ash, Haddock, Space, e, DatSwan, Galz, Dylan, Iguana, silver
White: NONE
Yellow: EFHW, Awaclus, gkrieg, schadd, chairs
Blue: Jake, WW

The 4th one down is Haddock's provided solution. The first two are less believable because it would mean PPS would have had to have shared a colour with somebody, and the last two seem to have a really big yellow team.. maybe valid if we really did have two traitor players, though? WW is non-town in all of them anyway, so that's quite a good place to look.

Reads-wise I feel like Haddock is more believably townie that WW. I acknowledge that WW is calling Haddock misguided town rather than scum, but that's also quite an easy place to go as a scum who's pretty sure Haddock is on the plain-red-town faction.

[SpaceAnemone]

Oh, and I also constrained it so that Ash, Galz, Swan, Haddock and I all show up as red.

[iguanaiguana]

Dylan is town in all of those too.

[iguanaiguana]

Or red at least.

[EFHW]

My reads are Iguana and WW are town, Jake and chairs are not. No idea about Dylan or silver.

[Witherweaver]

Okay, embarrassing code bug fixed :-)

Here are the six possible configurations that are consistent with Haddock's three results plus the constraint that Awaclus, gkrieg and schadd should show up being the same non-red colour.

Red: EFHW, Ash, Haddock, Space, e, DatSwan, Jake, Galz, Dylan, silver
White: Awaclus, gkrieg, schadd
Yellow: chairs, WW
Blue: Iguana

Red: EFHW, Ash, Haddock, Space, e, DatSwan, Galz, Dylan, Iguana, silver
White: Awaclus, gkrieg, schadd
Yellow: chairs, WW
Blue: Jake

Red: EFHW, Ash, Haddock, Space, chairs, e, DatSwan, Jake, Galz, Dylan, silver
White: Iguana, WW
Yellow: Awaclus, gkrieg, schadd
Blue: NONE

Red: EFHW, Ash, Haddock, Space, chairs, e, DatSwan, Galz, Dylan, Iguana, silver
White: Jake, WW
Yellow: Awaclus, gkrieg, schadd
Blue: NONE

Red: Ash, Haddock, Space, e, DatSwan, Jake, Galz, Dylan, silver
White: NONE
Yellow: EFHW, Awaclus, gkrieg, schadd, chairs
Blue: Iguana, WW

Red: Ash, Haddock, Space, e, DatSwan, Galz, Dylan, Iguana, silver
White: NONE
Yellow: EFHW, Awaclus, gkrieg, schadd, chairs
Blue: Jake, WW

The 4th one down is Haddock's provided solution. The first two are less believable because it would mean PPS would have had to have shared a colour with somebody, and the last two seem to have a really big yellow team.. maybe valid if we really did have two traitor players, though? WW is non-town in all of them anyway, so that's quite a good place to look.

Reads-wise I feel like Haddock is more believably townie that WW. I acknowledge that WW is calling Haddock misguided town rather than scum, but that's also quite an easy place to go as a scum who's pretty sure Haddock is on the plain-red-town faction.

If the only solutions are me not town, then the puzzle is wrong. I don't know how it happened, there are many possible ways, but it is simply the truth.

[Witherweaver]

And that makes me not want to trust it for any other people.

[iguanaiguana]

You're also not mafia in any of those.... U sure u town bro? I want to lynch real scum today, not a survivor. We are super close to winning.

[Witherweaver]

You're also not mafia in any of those.... U sure u town bro? I want to lynch real scum today, not a survivor. We are super close to winning.

Yes, 100%, green text, confirmed not-naive Cop.

[Witherweaver]

You can also consider, would I have thought to use Awaclus as a litmus test if this was a face claim.

[iguanaiguana]

I believe you have a cop ability.

[Witherweaver]

I believe you have a cop ability.

But you should believe the naive component too, because I clearly hinted ahead if time I was going to cop him. And would I have thought to do that a fake ckaim? It's possible but less likely. Well I guess maybe you could think it wZ all a big plan from the beginning between Awaclus and myself, but my treatment of Gkrieg yesterday should sufficiently stear away from that. Otherwise you'd have to find a possibility-naive third-party Cop in another game.. maybe that exists, but I doubt it.

[Witherweaver]

Fun fact for posterity: this game was an example of how claiming Miller as scum can be a negative.

Mitigated somewhat by us not being able to trust investigation results all that much.

[Witherweaver]

EFHW, where do you stand right now?

I've been spending all my time trying to figure out this puzzle! I've mostly been analyzing 5 Y/ 2 B/ PPS. From the N1 data, it looks like chairs is yellow, and from the N2 data WW is yellow and Dylan is blue. But N3 it all falls apart.

I just find 3/2/pps really unlikely, but I'll have to look at the couple that are possibilities next.

Does anyone think my cult idea is a possibility? It was RMM32. faust would hopefully have made some changes, since the game had some issues, but it could explain why N3 of 5 Y/2 B/PPS doesn't work.

I do not think the puzzle is valid.

Cult is possible.. anything is possible.  We need to actually play the game.

And by this I mean, we need to use reads.  Chairs' claim is bad. Dylan's I felt a little bad about as well. 

That reminds me.. Dylan claimed he was confirmed alignment to Ash as a neighbor, but that's what Masons do, not neighbors.  That's bad. Maybe enough to swing me Dylan.. need to look over Ash and Dylan's original games.

EFHW looks better after her claim. Iguana looks very good.

Jake is being annoying, but still not good to lynch today.

Haddock I think is just misguided town.

Any thoughts on this regarding Dylan? I've been mobile all day so can't check things well.  Did he not claim neighbor but with a Mason component?

[iguanaiguana]

I haven't looked up his role. I did chairs and Awaclus. He got a strongman kill if he voted a partner at day end BTW.

[Witherweaver]

I haven't looked up his role. I did chairs and Awaclus. He got a strongman kill if he voted a partner at day end BTW.

That is interesting. We should see what his final votes were at end of each day.

I won't be able to do any looking up stuff until tomorrow.

[Witherweaver]

I don't really understand the point of the experiment thing, but if people know what it is supposed to accomplish, I'll go ahead and Vote: iguana.

I'll go ahead and claim.

I was Ashersky's neighbor, and I'm Wesley Windham-Prince from RMM 25. I have a passive ability called Watcher's Council that confirmed at the beginning of the game that Ash shared the same win-con as me.

I have 3 one shot abilities I can use through the game called Demon-hunting Practices. I can talk to a dead person (for 1 game phase), do magic detection (check if someone was redirected one night), and shield (divide game into 2 groups, can't target anyone in the other group).

N2 I tried to see if Datswan was redirected, but got no result.

Guys, uh, I already claimed like 5 pages ago.

So this was Buffy I think. That game had many factions , including a few singletons.

Oh, the claim is only half-Mason as it didn't confirm him to Ash. Not the slip I thought it was.

[iguanaiguana]

Dylan: https://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/jhNP9LBHarc

[iguanaiguana]

Dylan's claim is scummy because nothing he's done has been impactful and his neighbor and half mason is super convenient.

Red in a possibles is a thing tho.

[Witherweaver]

Dylan's claim is scummy because nothing he's done has been impactful and his neighbor and half mason is super convenient.

Red in a possibles is a thing tho.

Yeah.. but I guess the part about being Ash's neighbor has to be true, right? Ash flipped neighbor. So if a fake claim he has to he a scum neighbor. Maybe  there was one of those in Buffy.. I don't know of any others off the top of my head.

[Witherweaver]

Both neighbors have neighbor included in their role, right? Symmerric, like Masons. If Ash chose someone he would have been a neighborizer.

[iguanaiguana]

He never said anything about a town read on Ash or anything about Ash at all until Ash died. And we discussed how frozen Ash could be scum at some.length.