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[Witherweaver]

I mean, I was in this exact position last game, except people hadn't asked for Poisoner to claim. I was still thinking about my claim and dropping hints for later reference (being in favor of massclaim, stating that other people seemed to be thinking of PR bidding differently than me (implying that my goal was to prevent scum from getting a power)).

[faust]

Probably not a good lynch for today.

Was this referring to LL or iguana as the lynch? I parsed it as Iguana beforehand because it was just after his claim, but looking back, you may have been referring to LL.

I'm thinking the flaw we have with inviting a poisoner to claim and then keeping him alive is that there's a huge lag between him poisoning someone and the rest of us seeing evidence of the death. Like, if he poisons someone tonight, his target doesn't die till N2, and we don't have the opportunity to do anything about it till D3. Is everyone who's advocating for keeping Iguana around remembering the long timeframe here?

Well I wouldn't see this as automatic. It's not like anyone is suggesting just keep the Poisoner around because they're the Poisoner, but iguana is townie with the claim.

[2.71828.....]

I would argue that it is a stronger town role than people give it credit for.

Well last game no townie bid for it, so it seems you are in a minority position there.

 People don't give the role credit, d so they didn't go for it. So, you proved his point

[2.71828.....]

Probably not a good lynch for today.

Was this referring to LL or iguana as the lynch? I parsed it as Iguana beforehand because it was just after his claim, but looking back, you may have been referring to LL.

I'm thinking the flaw we have with inviting a poisoner to claim and then keeping him alive is that there's a huge lag between him poisoning someone and the rest of us seeing evidence of the death. Like, if he poisons someone tonight, his target doesn't die till N2, and we don't have the opportunity to do anything about it till D3. Is everyone who's advocating for keeping Iguana around remembering the long timeframe here?

Investigative roles exist. Not to say a tracker (if they exist) should track iguana....

[faust]

I would argue that it is a stronger town role than people give it credit for.

Well last game no townie bid for it, so it seems you are in a minority position there.

 People don't give the role credit, d so they didn't go for it. So, you proved his point

I suppose so. Still, if most townies won't go for it, it would make sense to confirm it's not in the game early on.

[faust]

Probably not a good lynch for today.

Was this referring to LL or iguana as the lynch? I parsed it as Iguana beforehand because it was just after his claim, but looking back, you may have been referring to LL.

I'm thinking the flaw we have with inviting a poisoner to claim and then keeping him alive is that there's a huge lag between him poisoning someone and the rest of us seeing evidence of the death. Like, if he poisons someone tonight, his target doesn't die till N2, and we don't have the opportunity to do anything about it till D3. Is everyone who's advocating for keeping Iguana around remembering the long timeframe here?

Investigative roles exist. Not to say a tracker (if they exist) should track iguana....

If iguana is scum, then there is no guarantee that he is actually the Poisoner. It could be a teammate. Though that would require very quick thinking there on parts of both scum!iguana and his partner.

[gkrieg13]

vote: Faust

Redirect or should also worry scum if town took it.

[2.71828.....]

Probably not a good lynch for today.

Was this referring to LL or iguana as the lynch? I parsed it as Iguana beforehand because it was just after his claim, but looking back, you may have been referring to LL.

I'm thinking the flaw we have with inviting a poisoner to claim and then keeping him alive is that there's a huge lag between him poisoning someone and the rest of us seeing evidence of the death. Like, if he poisons someone tonight, his target doesn't die till N2, and we don't have the opportunity to do anything about it till D3. Is everyone who's advocating for keeping Iguana around remembering the long timeframe here?

Investigative roles exist. Not to say a tracker (if they exist) should track iguana....

If iguana is scum, then there is no guarantee that he is actually the Poisoner. It could be a teammate. Though that would require very quick thinking there on parts of both scum!iguana and his partner.

Hence my point about teproc setting up the claim. I doubt iguana claims without teproc suggesting it.

That being said.... iguana is town. Call it gut. But that claim was a town!iguana claim

[2.71828.....]

Which doesn't say anything about teproc's alignment. Personally I think asking for specific claims is scummy.

(My request for all bid position 10,11,12,etc to claim doesn't count as specific)

[LaLight]

I agree that this was town!iguana claim

[LaLight]

I don't agree this makes teproc more likely to be scum. He looked at the setup we had the first time and came up with a plan

[LaLight]

On the other hand scum!Teproc would've known Inventor is taken because the scum team tried to take it... but it would be quite bold

[LaLight]

I think vote: gkrieg is where I want to be

[LaLight]

I also have a feeling that like 60% of people never posted

[LaLight]

Oh well, Arch is here, ash is not. That's news

[faust]

vote: Faust

Redirect or should also worry scum if town took it.

What does this mean?

[LaLight]

vote: Faust

Redirect or should also worry scum if town took it.

What does this mean?

Redirector role should make you worried if you are scum, if town took it.

[gkrieg13]

vote: Faust

Redirect or should also worry scum if town took it.

What does this mean?

Redirector role should make you worried if you are scum, if town took it.

Thanks for clarifying.  Phone posts aren't always understandable.

[faust]

vote: Faust

Redirect or should also worry scum if town took it.

What does this mean?

Redirector role should make you worried if you are scum, if town took it.

Wow, err ok. You definitely have better gkrieg parsing skills than me!

The implication is that scum!me tries to out a town Redirector? I mean no. That is just not how I do things.

[gkrieg13]

vote: Faust

Redirect or should also worry scum if town took it.

What does this mean?

Redirector role should make you worried if you are scum, if town took it.

Wow, err ok. You definitely have better gkrieg parsing skills than me!

The implication is that scum!me tries to out a town Redirector? I mean no. That is just not how I do things.

Classic defense there.  I'm saying that you are doing an awful lot of role fishing, and I also think you are just outright wrong about the 2-shot redirector being better for scum than it is for town.  If used right, you can actually get scum to kill themselves!!!!

[LaLight]

That is just not how I do things.

And herr we come to my favorite argument which also proved to work: if you are aware what things you do and don't do as scum. you can imitate them.

[faust]

That is just not how I do things.

And herr we come to my favorite argument which also proved to work: if you are aware what things you do and don't do as scum. you can imitate them.

Well, yes. But obviously I also don't do this as town, so there would be no real benefit to me imitating it as scum.

[faust]

vote: Faust

Redirect or should also worry scum if town took it.

What does this mean?

Redirector role should make you worried if you are scum, if town took it.

Wow, err ok. You definitely have better gkrieg parsing skills than me!

The implication is that scum!me tries to out a town Redirector? I mean no. That is just not how I do things.

Classic defense there.  I'm saying that you are doing an awful lot of role fishing, and I also think you are just outright wrong about the 2-shot redirector being better for scum than it is for town.  If used right, you can actually get scum to kill themselves!!!!

Exclamation mark escalation...

Me being wrong does not mean I am scum. Yes if used right, you can get scum to kill themselves. If used wrong, you can create a false guilty. It is just not very likely to work out the way you want. And there are only two shots. It's a role that super benefits from information, and since scum have more of that, it is naturally a lot better for scum.

[O]

vote: Faust

Redirect or should also worry scum if town took it.

What does this mean?

Redirector role should make you worried if you are scum, if town took it.

Wow, err ok. You definitely have better gkrieg parsing skills than me!

The implication is that scum!me tries to out a town Redirector? I mean no. That is just not how I do things.

Classic defense there.  I'm saying that you are doing an awful lot of role fishing, and I also think you are just outright wrong about the 2-shot redirector being better for scum than it is for town.  If used right, you can actually get scum to kill themselves!!!!

Exclamation mark escalation...

Me being wrong does not mean I am scum. Yes if used right, you can get scum to kill themselves. If used wrong, you can create a false guilty. It is just not very likely to work out the way you want. And there are only two shots. It's a role that super benefits from information, and since scum have more of that, it is naturally a lot better for scum.

creates a false guilty.... if redirector dies that night and can't claim?
Redirector is amazing endgame after people have claimed.

Pretty conditional.

[gkrieg13]

That is just not how I do things.

And herr we come to my favorite argument which also proved to work: if you are aware what things you do and don't do as scum. you can imitate them.

Well, yes. But obviously I also don't do this as town, so there would be no real benefit to me imitating it as scum.

But you are trying to get the redirector to claim (or show that there isn't any redirector), so you are doing it as town or scum...