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[Robz888]

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[Robz888]

cant post flip for another hour though, sorry

[Robz888]

Pathetic. The Dharma Initiative came here seeking harmony, but it can't even live in harmony with them. I know my purpose. They'll be sorry...

Vote Count 3.Final

iguanaiguana (7): Eevee, gkrieg13, Galzria, Teproc, 2.71828, SpaceAnemone, Qvist
Teproc (1): iguanaiguana

Not Voting (5): chairs, RoadRunner7671, faust, O, DatSwan

With 13 alive it took 7 to lynch.

Iguanaiguana has been crossed off Jacob's List. He was Naomi, the Others Goon. He was also a Candidate.

Night 3 begins now. Actions are due by 2:00 PM on Tuesday, October 3rd.

[Robz888]

The start of Day 4 might be delayed a few hours.

[Robz888]

Wow. What town. So smart. Much love. Belly rubs now. Yes.

Why these nice humans no want do fetch with me?

Gkrieg13 was found dead of a gunshot wound to the chest. He was Daniel Faraday, the Crash Survivors-aligned 2-Shot Redirector.

Chairs succumbed to poison. He was Miles Straume, the Crash Survivors-aligned Night 3 Forensic Scientist.

Day 4 begins now. Thread unlocked, woof!

[Eevee]

We're back!

[Robz888]

Yay people! Yay voting! Yay fun games! Where's Walt?


Vote Count 4.0

Not Voting (10): Eevee, Galzria, Teproc, 2.71828, SpaceAnemone, Qvist, RoadRunner7671, faust, O, DatSwan

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Day 4 ends on October 10 at 4:00 PM.

[Galzria]

We're in LyLo

[Galzria]

So we need to lynch correctly D4. Two outcomes:

N3: 12 Alive, 3 scum. Assume Mafia Kill + Poisoner Kill.

D4: 10 Alive, 3 scum. Poisoner Lynch.

N4: 9 Alive, 2 Scum. Assume Mafia Kill + Poisoner Kill.

D5: 7 Alive, 2 Scum. Standard 9 Player Game.

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N3: 12 Alive, 3 scum. Assume Mafia Kill + Poisoner Kill.

D4: 10 Alive, 3 scum. Not-Poisoner Lynch.

N4: 9 Alive, 2 scum. Assume Mafia Kill + Poisoner Kill

D5: 7 Alive, 2 Scum. Not-Poisoner Lynch.

N5: 6 Alive, 1 Scum. Assume Mafia Kill + Poisoner Kill

D6: 4 Alive, 1 Scum. MyLo. He can't both Poison & Shoot N5.

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Conclusion: We're in LyLo until the Poisoner Dies. #Fucked

[Eevee]

For future claim purposes, it's a relief to see that town had the redirector. In other news, losing two power roles is not the best.

I must admit I have pretty no idea who I suspect right now. Feels daunting to reread this game, but that just might be needed to resolve some of this. Figuring out what Iguana's interactions mean might be less useful than usual, because it seems he was on a suicide mission from the beginning.

[Galzria]

If we mislynch today:

N3: 12 Alive, 3 scum. Assume Mafia Kill + Poisoner Kill.

D4: 10 Alive, 3 scum. Mislynch.

N4: 9 Alive, 3 Scum. Assume Mafia Kill + Poisoner Kill.

D5: 7 Alive, 3 Scum. Even if we lynch correctly, then...

N5: 6 Alive, 2 Scum. Assume Mafia Kill + Poisoner Kill.

D6: Town Endgamed

[Eevee]

Aww geez, lylo!?

I'm having trouble following. Didn't we lynch the poisoner D3 already?

[Galzria]

Aww geez, lylo!?

I'm having trouble following. Didn't we lynch the poisoner D3 already?

No

[Eevee]

Oh damn it. I really should learn to read the flips better, I didn't even consider they could be pulling this. It's pretty smart, but crap.

Should we consider a massclaim then, if this is LYLO? I don't really have an opinion, but ensuring a correct lynch seems very important. Kind of sucks if scum wins if they get a 1-1 trade. This seems very difficult. Scum poisoner is so good!

[Swowl]

So we need to lynch correctly D4. Two outcomes:

N3: 12 Alive, 3 scum. Assume Mafia Kill + Poisoner Kill.

D4: 10 Alive, 3 scum. Poisoner Lynch.

N4: 9 Alive, 2 Scum. Assume Mafia Kill + Poisoner Kill.

D5: 7 Alive, 2 Scum. Standard 9 Player Game.

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N3: 12 Alive, 3 scum. Assume Mafia Kill + Poisoner Kill.

D4: 10 Alive, 3 scum. Not-Poisoner Lynch.

N4: 9 Alive, 2 scum. Assume Mafia Kill + Poisoner Kill

D5: 7 Alive, 2 Scum. Not-Poisoner Lynch.

N5: 6 Alive, 1 Scum. Assume Mafia Kill + Poisoner Kill

D6: 4 Alive, 1 Scum. MyLo. He can't both Poison & Shoot N5.

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Conclusion: We're in LyLo until the Poisoner Diess


I can’t find anywhere where it says posion and kill can’t be done by ge same person? Not that it really matters I guess just pointing it out

[2.71828.....]

We need to mass claim draft order and number bid.

like we should have done all along.

Seriously.  Scum probably decided to switch bids with the poisoner N0, but claiming everyone bid position 10+ would have helped us a ton.

[faust]

Agreed that we should likely massclaim. That thing Teproc pulled yesterday was pretty scummy. Plus the D1 interaction with iguana - we should definitely investigate there.

Galzria's scenario is not quite as bad as it seems because if we mislynch, there is a chance we mislynch the Poisoner target. Also presumably we still have some PRs.

[Teproc]

The "thing I pulled" was, as it turns out, to scum's advantage, yes. Though even if the idea that iguana might be a non-Posioner scum had occured to us, I'm not sure we would have dared lynch elswhere, right ? So the only thing we really lost was possibly gkrieg claiming.

If anything, me making iguana claim made him more likely to be killed by the SK, so I'm still fine with that decision. It turns out iguana was quick on his feet and immediately figured out the best play for scum, which I get makes me look terrible, but you guys can deal with that.

I thought lylo was tomorrow ? If we mislynch today, tomorrow there's 4 town v 3 scum right ? And there we'd need to lynch the Poisoner (or get a blocked kill somewhere) ?

Oh right there's still a poisoner kill getting in at that point. So Galz is correct, unless we block a kill, which we certainly can't assume.

I agree we should massclaim then.

[Teproc]

Actually, let's get started with I'm a Mason with [REDACTED for now]. I'll reread the thread soon and if everyone is fine with that, we'll come up with a claiming order.

[Galzria]

Agreed that we should likely massclaim. That thing Teproc pulled yesterday was pretty scummy. Plus the D1 interaction with iguana - we should definitely investigate there.

Galzria's scenario is not quite as bad as it seems because if we mislynch, there is a chance we mislynch the Poisoner target. Also presumably we still have some PRs.

Yes, there are outs - but not reliable ones. We should be considered LyLo until the Poisoner Dies or something changes.

[Teproc]

Actually I have a hard time seeing a reason to keep it redacted. I'm a Mason with O.

[Roadrunner7671]

This feels really hopeless.

[Teproc]

This feels really hopeless.

It's just lylo, with the benefit that if we land on the Poisoner we get out of lylo (is that right ? I think it is). It's not a great situation, but nothing unsurmountable, and I just reduced your lynchpool significantly, so there's that.

[Swowl]

This feels really hopeless.

Yes. I believe the inference should be D5 it can go to 4-3, but if neither POS or Skum get lynched today then POS gets to shoot N4, which would create a D5 of 2-2 which means we lose. I think.

It's just lylo, with the benefit that if we land on the Poisoner we get out of lylo (is that right ? I think it is). It's not a great situation, but nothing unsurmountable, and I just reduced your lynchpool significantly, so there's that.

This feels really hopeless.

I mean I would agree it looks grim, but unless you have a better idea it seems the priority right now should be to find and kill the Poioner, and a claim of some sort is going to reveal the most effective means of doing that.

[Eevee]

This feels really hopeless.

Yet we ought to try!


There is already more information: either O and Teproc are both scum, or they are both town. Useful!

Tentatively believing them, just because it would be kind of risky to tie yourself together like that, in case a tracker or a watcher has caught one of you, you both go down. Of course it's a great fakeclaim for scum otherwise. How realistic would it be for both O and Teproc to be scum and not have targeted anyone all game? Not at all, right?