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[Teproc]

Yay ! You were going to be lynched, yes, I was just covering our bases by giving you a chance to give your reads in case you were town. But this works too.

This was a pretty hard game...it looked pretty desperate for a while, really glad we managed to turn it around with a bit of luck.

Can we see the mafia thread for the 5 mins following the XXR claim

It's closed during the day.

[Galzria]

Re: psychotrooping N1: yeah you shoot it, because you're the kind of player that gets investigated on N1. I would too.

A team of RR/XRaptor/DatSwan (which is the only relevant thing re: Psychtrooper) would not, or at least there's a strong chance they wouldn't.

I have no idea why you're spending any time thinking about the rest. How is it relevant ? Don't answer that.

Actually there was a relevant part: ANdrew "forgetting" about Cop Enabler. He didn't forget, he seemed to think there could be multiple though. WHich is very weird, and you know what I think that means.

Because reconstructing the game is how I operate.

[Swowl]

Good job team! I was probably gonna have a beer anyways, but let's all pretend this one is for us

[Teproc]

Re: psychotrooping N1: yeah you shoot it, because you're the kind of player that gets investigated on N1. I would too.

A team of RR/XRaptor/DatSwan (which is the only relevant thing re: Psychtrooper) would not, or at least there's a strong chance they wouldn't.

I have no idea why you're spending any time thinking about the rest. How is it relevant ? Don't answer that.

Actually there was a relevant part: ANdrew "forgetting" about Cop Enabler. He didn't forget, he seemed to think there could be multiple though. WHich is very weird, and you know what I think that means.

Because reconstructing the game is how I operate.

The thing about it that bothered me is that I was very worried about what happened if chairs flipped town. I was pretty convinced about the othr two being town, you I always had some doubt worrying me, and those huge posts filled with very little of what mattered most made me think of MII!Galz.

[Galzria]

Re: psychotrooping N1: yeah you shoot it, because you're the kind of player that gets investigated on N1. I would too.

A team of RR/XRaptor/DatSwan (which is the only relevant thing re: Psychtrooper) would not, or at least there's a strong chance they wouldn't.

I have no idea why you're spending any time thinking about the rest. How is it relevant ? Don't answer that.

Actually there was a relevant part: ANdrew "forgetting" about Cop Enabler. He didn't forget, he seemed to think there could be multiple though. WHich is very weird, and you know what I think that means.

Because reconstructing the game is how I operate.

The thing about it that bothered me is that I was very worried about what happened if chairs flipped town. I was pretty convinced about the othr two being town, you I always had some doubt worrying me, and those huge posts filled with very little of what mattered most made me think of MII!Galz.

It's a bit of my downfall. I don't "play to my scum game"... I just play my game. I don't have (from my point of view) a huge meta difference. I just play both to the best of my ability to help my team win. I tend to sound like me though,
 regardless of my alignment.

It's a reasonable concern. The best I can try to do is be confident and hope that if/when I die I've provided value to my team.

[Galzria]

Fwiw... In this game, in this situation, HERE, I would claim like I did again. I think it played to town's benefit this game. That DOESN'T make it a good play. And almost every other game the play is wrong. I'm happy with the results here.

[AndrewisFTTW]

GG.

I disagree Galz, I don't see how it benefitted town. I'm just thankful scum didn't hit a PR (if I remember correctly) after you helped them with their poe.

[Galzria]

GG.

I disagree Galz, I don't see how it benefitted town. I'm just thankful scum didn't hit a PR (if I remember correctly) after you helped them with their poe.

You are correct. From a pure, mathematical, logical, correct play standpoint. 100%.

THIS game, I strongly believe that moving forward off that day it helped orient the conversation and setup our winning run. You always wanted me lynched, but I think you were the only one. And the only PR's that got night killed were after they claimed.

Yes, you're technically correct in your statement for all the right reasons. Which is why I understand why you don't agree with the play. But from the "non tangible" side, I think it helped us win more than it hurt.

[Teproc]

While I wait for mafia/mod/speccy, my QT, in which I do not appreciate the claim in question. In retrospect I was a bit harsh, mainly because you were saying there was no cost to it, which there definitely was in theory. I did see it as somewhat townie in the end, so it worked there. I don't think we needed it to have something to talk about early day 2 though, the D1 wagon analysis was enough.

[LaLight]

Thread Locked

[LaLight]

Vote Count 5.final

chairs (3): AndrewisFTTW, chairs, DatSwan
Not voting (2): Galzria, Teproc

With 5 alive, it took 3 to lynch.

[LaLight]

chairs was lynched! They wereLaLight's impersonation, the hidden Jester.

chairs, the Jester, won the game!

[LaLight]

Sorry, just joking. chairs was a Long Vacation.

Town won! Thread unlocked.

[Teproc]

Ah, Jester jokes. It'd been a while.

[LaLight]

Mod QT
Scum QT
speccy

People are free to share their QTs. Also I have multiple thoughts on MVP because couple of you called scumteam superearly (Galz and Teproc), also here's Skumpy.

[faust]

Faust, still gonna argue my methods?

Always.

[Galzria]

While I wait for mafia/mod/speccy, my QT, in which I do not appreciate the claim in question. In retrospect I was a bit harsh, mainly because you were saying there was no cost to it, which there definitely was in theory. I did see it as somewhat townie in the end, so it worked there. I don't think we needed it to have something to talk about early day 2 though, the D1 wagon analysis was enough.

I AM aware it was frustrating.

[Galzria]

Faust, still gonna argue my methods?

Always.

That's ok. I'll still stand by them and their effectiveness.

[Skumpy]

also here's Skumpy.

Whadda that mean?

GG All. Fun and stressful times! Sorry it had to end that way, but yeah, it didn't look like Chairs was getting out of there alive. Good to know I tricked scum into thinking I was a VT, that was wonderful. Now I have to go read back and kick myself for missing all the obvious clues.

Here's my QT if anybody cares. Not much I said in it that I didn't say in the game, besides me calling Faust a jerk (sorry, I was convinced you were scum even before N2!)

@ the claim of question: I guess I was really concerned during the later game because I thought it made it more likely for me to die. In retrospect...I guess it worked? I dunno, DatSwan also claiming made me not think it was both of you. Is it something you would've done if you were scum?

[LaLight]

also here's Skumpy.

Whadda that mean?

That means that you are a very good candidate for MVP.

[LaLight]

Please, go ahead and send me your candidate for MVP via pm. In 3 days, I will pronounce one based on votes. Thank you!

[Skumpy]

also here's Skumpy.

Whadda that mean?

That means that you are a very good candidate for MVP.

That's an honor I was not expecting to even be considered for. I'm not gonna push a case for myself, I did some very good things that game and some very bad things. For the other two, Galz's reads were mostly good and town won, so I suspect his day 2 claim played a big part in that. Teproc did a really nice job of managing the game (like, read back, he made for a very soothing voice of reason).

[Galzria]

also here's Skumpy.

Whadda that mean?

GG All. Fun and stressful times! Sorry it had to end that way, but yeah, it didn't look like Chairs was getting out of there alive. Good to know I tricked scum into thinking I was a VT, that was wonderful. Now I have to go read back and kick myself for missing all the obvious clues.

Here's my QT if anybody cares. Not much I said in it that I didn't say in the game, besides me calling Faust a jerk (sorry, I was convinced you were scum even before N2!)

@ the claim of question: I guess I was really concerned during the later game because I thought it made it more likely for me to die. In retrospect...I guess it worked? I dunno, DatSwan also claiming made me not think it was both of you. Is it something you would've done if you were scum?

I mean... no. But that's not fair because yes?

No. For a lot of reasons. Most importantly is that it easily could've backfired and gotten me lynched. I played it with extreme confidence and cockiness because I had to in order to make it work. That's extremely dangerous that early from a scum standpoint. Secondly, it would've taken away my ability to fake claim to save my life (or control the game).

The thing with my claim in M100 as scum is that it was verifiable. This... wasn't. It wouldn't have served me as scum.

And honestly... I expect to be lynched making that claim most of the time. I didn't know that I could pull it off as town here. But ultimately... (here's my QT: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/kk66FNk5WsAHx ) I did it because it was fun.

I don't think I would do it as scum because if it failed I would feel worse for my team than when I'm town. Because when scum I've got the chance to talk to and plan with my buddies, and I feel like I would be letting them down.

[Galzria]

N1 from my QT:

"Well. Hell. If I'm alive tomorrow I think I'll claim first post. Why not? 13 players, 3 scum, 2 probable dead town. Is it ideal? No, probably not. Will it read "planned"? Yes, probably. But nobody is going to claim I've been coached, so if I'm scum this is all me. And what does it deny me? Certainly a fakeclaim later, yes. So... idk - but it'll be fun. O said in 100 that playing for fun is the best reason to play and I agree. Maybe we win. Maybe we lose. But sure, why the hell not?"

[Galzria]

This, from my QT D2, is what I meant by the claim helping me form my reads:

"I also think it's natural for town not to like my claim. I think scum know I'm town so can play it a little more hesitantly. I don't super expect scum to go all out against me over it, although they can always play the "Well he was just bad town" after I'm dead... so maybe. They also could want me lynched for fear that I'm lying and have a PR - and this is a decent way to push that.

But I dunno. I expect at least one scum, if not two, to have stayed away from pushing me.

That's: {Chairs, Roadrunner, DatSwan, Skumpy, TWM, Raptor}"