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[faust]

Deadline is in 21 hours. People should state whether or not they will be around before that.

I'll be there until up to 2 hours to deadline, can't promise after that.

[faust]

And speaking of which: As much as I'd like to agree with faust's points and acknowledge DatSwan's interesting comments, the fact remains. If DatSwan is indeed scum, then WHY THE HELL WOULD HE CLAIM VT HALFWAY THROUGH DAY 2? Like, it doesn't make any sense!

The thing is:

If DatSwan is indeed town, then WHY THE HELL WOULD HE CLAIM VT HALFWAY THROUGH DAY 2? Like, it doesn't make any sense!

[faust]

Can I make a request that we don't Lynch until like 30 mins before deadline? I'll be sleeping late a little and I don't want to miss it this time.

That's awful and asks for us to scramble for a lynch without providing sufficient time for claiming.

[faust]

And frankly, Galzria: huntig for 1 scum in a set of 3 has worse odds then hunting for 3 scum in a set of 7.

[Galzria]

If I believe Skumpy (If he's scum, scum wins) and Faust to be town (or him to believe so of me): The game started with 10 town, 3 scum. Teproc is town and not voting above. Do you believe 8 of the 9 entire remaining town comprise the entirety of the Robz/Jake wagon above? That's a hell of a consensus for town D1.

Well, yes. If scum lurks or is VLA, town is going to push wagons. That is what I think happened.

The only notable addition is Roadrunner, but now there are 11 voters so there MUST be at least one scum voting. If Faust is town, I think it's highly improbable that all 8 players in the first count were town. This leaves possible scum in {Raptor, Chairs}. With the same assumption regarding Faust in the bottom vote, there IS at least one scum in {Raptor, Chairs, RR} - and unless you believe that BOTH {Andrew, DatSwan} are scum,  then it means that there's probably 2 scum in {Raptor, Chairs, RR}, and at least one in {Raptor, Chairs}.

That logic for Faust should be exactly the same if he believes I'm town. For everybody not!Faust/Galzria, it's obviously a little different. But still worth looking at.

As an expanded note: If I am unsure on Faust, I still have one scum in {Raptor, Chairs, RR, Faust} guaranteed, with 2 likely (unless DatSwan and Andrew are both scum).

Based on ALL of that (much of which is, I admit, a rehash of thoughts from before), I would still be happiest lynching Chairs, but could do Raptor or RR about equally.

Gonna look through D2 counts later today.

I think one scum in Xx, chairs, RR is... a pretty safe assumption to make? I mean that's probably correct, but it would be probably correct regardless of votecounts because having at least one scum in a set of 3 has a pretty high likelihood right now. I do not think there is any inherent reason why Andrew and DatSwan couldn't both be scum.

The thing is... the one "missing" townie from vote count 1.4 on those wagons is Jake himself. There is simply next to a 0% chance that 8 of 8 town were in totality on those 2 wagons with 0 scum aboard. Yes, technically it's possible - but it's just highly highly highly unlikely. We're talking D1 full town here.

[Galzria]

And frankly, Galzria: huntig for 1 scum in a set of 3 has worse odds then hunting for 3 scum in a set of 7.

1 in 2, and 2 in 4 is better.

[faust]

And frankly, Galzria: huntig for 1 scum in a set of 3 has worse odds then hunting for 3 scum in a set of 7.

1 in 2, and 2 in 4 is better.

Yes, but not even by much, and that rests on a bunch of assumptions already.

Can you present a case on chairs other than votecounts?

[Galzria]

And frankly, Galzria: huntig for 1 scum in a set of 3 has worse odds then hunting for 3 scum in a set of 7.

1 in 2, and 2 in 4 is better.

Yes, but not even by much, and that rests on a bunch of assumptions already.

Can you present a case on chairs other than votecounts?

I'll pull everything in a bit, sure. But votes are huge. It's the loudest action one can make publicly. Tracking known town's votes against possible town's votes is invaluable. The chances above that all 8 comprised the total 8 that were possibly town is crazy slim, albeit yes, not impossible.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Can I make a request that we don't Lynch until like 30 mins before deadline? I'll be sleeping late a little and I don't want to miss it this time.

That's awful and asks for us to scramble for a lynch without providing sufficient time for claiming.

Not really... I'm just saying please don't lynch like 2 hours before deadline so I can be there for it.

[AndrewisFTTW]

And speaking of which: As much as I'd like to agree with faust's points and acknowledge DatSwan's interesting comments, the fact remains. If DatSwan is indeed scum, then WHY THE HELL WOULD HE CLAIM VT HALFWAY THROUGH DAY 2? Like, it doesn't make any sense!

The thing is:

If DatSwan is indeed town, then WHY THE HELL WOULD HE CLAIM VT HALFWAY THROUGH DAY 2? Like, it doesn't make any sense!

Why the hell would Galz claim VT at the start of D2?

[Swowl]

And speaking of which: As much as I'd like to agree with faust's points and acknowledge DatSwan's interesting comments, the fact remains. If DatSwan is indeed scum, then WHY THE HELL WOULD HE CLAIM VT HALFWAY THROUGH DAY 2? Like, it doesn't make any sense!

The thing is:

If DatSwan is indeed town, then WHY THE HELL WOULD HE CLAIM VT HALFWAY THROUGH DAY 2? Like, it doesn't make any sense!

I already explained my reasoning for doing this.

[Swowl]

And frankly, Galzria: huntig for 1 scum in a set of 3 has worse odds then hunting for 3 scum in a set of 7.

1 in 2, and 2 in 4 is better.

Yes, but not even by much, and that rests on a bunch of assumptions already.

Can you present a case on chairs other than votecounts?

Well first off... Vote Counts...
And then there is post frequency.
And then there are those pesky vote counts again...

[faust]

Can I make a request that we don't Lynch until like 30 mins before deadline? I'll be sleeping late a little and I don't want to miss it this time.

That's awful and asks for us to scramble for a lynch without providing sufficient time for claiming.

Not really... I'm just saying please don't lynch like 2 hours before deadline so I can be there for it.

Well then I can't be there for it, so please do lynch 2 hours before deadline.

What I'm saying is we can't place too much weight in personal availability. We lynch when we lynch, articificial stretching or rushing is counterproductive.

[faust]

And speaking of which: As much as I'd like to agree with faust's points and acknowledge DatSwan's interesting comments, the fact remains. If DatSwan is indeed scum, then WHY THE HELL WOULD HE CLAIM VT HALFWAY THROUGH DAY 2? Like, it doesn't make any sense!

The thing is:

If DatSwan is indeed town, then WHY THE HELL WOULD HE CLAIM VT HALFWAY THROUGH DAY 2? Like, it doesn't make any sense!

Why the hell would Galz claim VT at the start of D2?

Galzria explained his reasoning, and while I disagree with it, doing the thing first is way less scummy than what DatSwan did, and DatSwan was never able to give any coherent reasoning.

[faust]

And frankly, Galzria: huntig for 1 scum in a set of 3 has worse odds then hunting for 3 scum in a set of 7.

1 in 2, and 2 in 4 is better.

Yes, but not even by much, and that rests on a bunch of assumptions already.

Can you present a case on chairs other than votecounts?

I'll pull everything in a bit, sure. But votes are huge. It's the loudest action one can make publicly. Tracking known town's votes against possible town's votes is invaluable. The chances above that all 8 comprised the total 8 that were possibly town is crazy slim, albeit yes, not impossible.

Well I disagree (shocker). Looking at votes without context can be a good place to start, but not more.

[Swowl]

And speaking of which: As much as I'd like to agree with faust's points and acknowledge DatSwan's interesting comments, the fact remains. If DatSwan is indeed scum, then WHY THE HELL WOULD HE CLAIM VT HALFWAY THROUGH DAY 2? Like, it doesn't make any sense!

The thing is:

If DatSwan is indeed town, then WHY THE HELL WOULD HE CLAIM VT HALFWAY THROUGH DAY 2? Like, it doesn't make any sense!

Why the hell would Galz claim VT at the start of D2?

Galzria explained his reasoning, and while I disagree with it, doing the thing first is way less scummy than what DatSwan did, and DatSwan was never able to give any coherent reasoning.

Don't make me go and pull the quote from earlier today on my phone man lol
something like " you all know each other, I don't. Me claiming was the best way I could think of to be able to help my team without getting myself lynched"

I would like to further that now.. I did not do it "lightly". I did consider the choice. I considered that hopefully my reasoning would be taken seriously without having my team mates (yeah i am still saying it like that) waste time on considering me as skum. Obv that did not work as the IC is against me at this point, so woops... but I can't go back.
I also considered the possibility that I would get lynched as coming off as "too straightforward". I decided to take advantage of that by making sure to go after those I believed to be skum without worry of what would happen to me because of how it would read if i go and when I flip VT (did it again).

[AndrewisFTTW]

And speaking of which: As much as I'd like to agree with faust's points and acknowledge DatSwan's interesting comments, the fact remains. If DatSwan is indeed scum, then WHY THE HELL WOULD HE CLAIM VT HALFWAY THROUGH DAY 2? Like, it doesn't make any sense!

The thing is:

If DatSwan is indeed town, then WHY THE HELL WOULD HE CLAIM VT HALFWAY THROUGH DAY 2? Like, it doesn't make any sense!

Why the hell would Galz claim VT at the start of D2?

Galzria explained his reasoning, and while I disagree with it, doing the thing first is way less scummy than what DatSwan did, and DatSwan was never able to give any coherent reasoning.

Seriously? They're exactly the same amount of not-good/scummy!

[AndrewisFTTW]

Or not-scummy, depending on how you feel about the whole thing. I happen to think Galz is scum and DatSwan is town, but not because of the claims.

[Swowl]

And speaking of which: As much as I'd like to agree with faust's points and acknowledge DatSwan's interesting comments, the fact remains. If DatSwan is indeed scum, then WHY THE HELL WOULD HE CLAIM VT HALFWAY THROUGH DAY 2? Like, it doesn't make any sense!

The thing is:

If DatSwan is indeed town, then WHY THE HELL WOULD HE CLAIM VT HALFWAY THROUGH DAY 2? Like, it doesn't make any sense!

This reads a lot like someone trying to pile opinions with an opponent that has said they view them as skummy.

[faust]

And speaking of which: As much as I'd like to agree with faust's points and acknowledge DatSwan's interesting comments, the fact remains. If DatSwan is indeed scum, then WHY THE HELL WOULD HE CLAIM VT HALFWAY THROUGH DAY 2? Like, it doesn't make any sense!

The thing is:

If DatSwan is indeed town, then WHY THE HELL WOULD HE CLAIM VT HALFWAY THROUGH DAY 2? Like, it doesn't make any sense!

Why the hell would Galz claim VT at the start of D2?

Galzria explained his reasoning, and while I disagree with it, doing the thing first is way less scummy than what DatSwan did, and DatSwan was never able to give any coherent reasoning.

Seriously? They're exactly the same amount of not-good/scummy!

They're the same amount of not-good. They're not the same amount of scummy.

[faust]

Or not-scummy, depending on how you feel about the whole thing. I happen to think Galz is scum and DatSwan is town, but not because of the claims.

Then why do you think DatSwan is town?

[LaLight]

Vote Count 3.4

faust (2): AndrewisFTTW, DatSwan
DatSwan (3): faust, Teproc, chairs
chairs (2): Galzria, Skumpy
Not voting (2): Roadrunner7671, Xxraptorslayer96

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends August 23, at 3 pm FT.

[Teproc]

I don't think we should wait until 30 minutes before deadline to lynch. It's better if we get the lynch before, and Andrew and XXR should leaves their votes expecting the day to end before then... it seems to me that this is the case for Andrew already.

It's good to know that they will be there in case we need them to get a lynch through. But XXR should be voting right now, you don't get to wait for everyone else to nicely take position for you.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Or not-scummy, depending on how you feel about the whole thing. I happen to think Galz is scum and DatSwan is town, but not because of the claims.

Then why do you think DatSwan is town?

Well it has to do with how DatSwan was responding to Galz a while back, but it's partly based on my scum read on Galz so I guess that doesn't do much for you. Also yeah you're right about the claims not being the same amount of scummy. But I believe DatSwan's claim was a newbie mistake and I'm giving it a pass.

[faust]

Request prod on RR