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[Teproc]

Anyway I've bee  working under the assumption that skumpy was a VT from d1 and assumed sxum was too. I truly dont understand how youre plauing this game Galz.

Almost all of Skumpy's posts have indicated he's had some sort of information.

If skumpy opened d1 like he did as a PR, I dont understand anything about mafia at all.

[Galzria]

IT DOESNT MATTER. TOWN IS WRONG ALL THE FREAKING TIME. you know that. Come on.

Sure. But there's a huge difference between "Unfortunately I think you're town", and "Unfortunately, you're town".

I don't see how blocking somebody, and seeing a kill goes through, leads to the latter post and not the former.

[Teproc]

IT DOESNT MATTER. TOWN IS WRONG ALL THE FREAKING TIME. you know that. Come on.

Sure. But there's a huge difference between "Unfortunately I think you're town", and "Unfortunately, you're town".

I don't see how blocking somebody, and seeing a kill goes through, leads to the latter post and not the former.

There really isn't.

[Galzria]

Anyway I've bee  working under the assumption that skumpy was a VT from d1 and assumed sxum was too. I truly dont understand how youre plauing this game Galz.

Almost all of Skumpy's posts have indicated he's had some sort of information.

If skumpy opened d1 like he did as a PR, I dont understand anything about mafia at all.

I'm looking expressly at today, when he claimed to have informant on or relating to Faust - as well as knowledge of the likelihood he was blocked (although I'm gathering now that's simply speciation and not actual knowledge. His posts earlier suggested otherwise).

[Teproc]

This is pointless  the freaking apathetic townies need to wake the hell up and do somehting, becaus talking in circles about fausts claim gets us nowheee.

[Teproc]

Her's what I think is happening:

Galz's play makes no sense to me. Scum!Galz wouldn't let that happen, therefore he is town.
Skumpy is town.
TWM was town.
faust is probably town, his play also doesn't make a lot of sense and scum!faust also wouldn't let that happen.

Meanwhile, scum is laughing their asses off in the background, watching town self-destruct. Let's lynch them. We're not getting anywhere, and we haven't been, because scum has not had to do anything in this game.

[Teproc]

Whether Skumpy is PR or VT doesn't actually matter right now. What matter is that your cases on faust are terrible. faust might very well be scum ! But the fact that no one has been able to put forth a single convincing argument for that (convincing to me that is) indicated to me that there is nothing there. So we're stuck in a situation where both main wagons and all that anyone is discussing is town. AGAIN. Let's stop that and lynch a freaking lurker scum.

[Galzria]

Look, I've said before I think there's 2 in {Faust, Chairs, RR, Raptor} and 1 in {Andrew, Datswan}.

For the first group, I think it goes Faust -> RR -> Chairs -> Raptor. RR/Chairs are interchangeable, the others are miles apart.

DatSwan and Andrew could be 50/50. DatSwan has ignored me when I've pushed him, Andrew has fought back. This would make me lean DatSwan, but I'm told Andrew reacts far more aggressively as scum than town.

I'll vote wherever you want each and every day, but I'll stand by it being a mistake to not lynch Faust

[Galzria]

Whether Skumpy is PR or VT doesn't actually matter right now. What matter is that your cases on faust are terrible. faust might very well be scum ! But the fact that no one has been able to put forth a single convincing argument for that (convincing to me that is) indicated to me that there is nothing there. So we're stuck in a situation where both main wagons and all that anyone is discussing is town. AGAIN. Let's stop that and lynch a freaking lurker scum.

I think both Skumpy and I have put forth well above average cases on multiple points and you've disregarded all of them.

[Galzria]

unvote

[Galzria]

Where would you like to lynch?

[Teproc]

Whether Skumpy is PR or VT doesn't actually matter right now. What matter is that your cases on faust are terrible. faust might very well be scum ! But the fact that no one has been able to put forth a single convincing argument for that (convincing to me that is) indicated to me that there is nothing there. So we're stuck in a situation where both main wagons and all that anyone is discussing is town. AGAIN. Let's stop that and lynch a freaking lurker scum.

I think both Skumpy and I have put forth well above average cases on multiple points and you've disregarded all of them.

And you've disregarded my arguments against them.

If I were a town!roleblocker, I'd have targeted someone like Skumpy in faust's place.
"Unfortunately you're town" is not something that means "Unfortunately I have 100% you're town" and it is beyond crazy to me that you're arguing that.
You think Skumpy has been saying he's a PR, I think he's been screaming he's a VT. One of us is very wrong, but in any case it means it's hard to say with certainty what scum must think. That they killed TWM is an indication that they thought SKumpy (who was more obvtown than TWM, who had just driven a mislynch and could theoretically have been suspected for that) was not a PR. If I were scum, I would absolutely not have roleblocked Skumpy, not in a million years.

What else is there again ? faust claiming when he did is like you in M100 ? Maybe. I think it's a weird move and weird means town.

[Teproc]

Where would you like to lynch?

Among {XXr, DatSwan, RR, chairs}

I think Andrew did townie stuff today. ANd I think he's actually more agressive as town btw, but I'm not necessarily up to date on Andrew meta.

[Teproc]

And the problem is whoever you pick out of that I'll be less inclined just because you'r epicking them. Really I think XXR is the safest pick. Mostly I want the other people in this game to decide who they want in there.

[Teproc]

I apologize for the "yelling", this game has been frustrating for me because being an IC sucks. With that, I'm going to sleep.

DatSwan, XXR, RR : if you're town, now is the time to panic and go "Oh no, town is going to lose because of me." Because that's what's happening. If it means you all agree that I'm wrong and faust is scum, so be it, maybe I am wrong. But you need to do more. You signed up to play this game, not to spectate me getting annoyed at Galzria./

[AndrewisFTTW]

Where would you like to lynch?

Among {XXr, DatSwan, RR, chairs}

I think Andrew did townie stuff today. ANd I think he's actually more agressive as town btw, but I'm not necessarily up to date on Andrew meta.

I'm not up to date on my meta either, and I don't think anyone told Galz that I'm more aggressive as town, at least not in this game. Earlier TWM said I went after mcmc hard as scum in a previous game but that's it.

ANYWAY, I understand why you wouldn't want to lynch faust and I don't really have a case against faust. I just have some interactions between him and Galz that would lead me to suspect faust if Galz flips scum.

But I disagree with your assessment that Galz wouldn't be posting the way he has been if he were scum. I think he himself would disagree with that statement.

I'd like XX, but I wont vote for skumpy or DatSwan today.

[Galzria]

And the problem is whoever you pick out of that I'll be less inclined just because you'r epicking them. Really I think XXR is the safest pick. Mostly I want the other people in this game to decide who they want in there.

That logic doesn't follow.

Regardless, I don't care which of the 3 not!Faust in that group we lynch. Each has a equally valid case against them.

Look, I get the frustration with the lurkers. They aren't all scum and the town one's need to step it the hell up. I really do get that. And I do believe you're correct that the majority of scum are sitting back laughing their assess off at us.

But I also believe there's 2 scum in {Andrew, Datswan, Chairs, RR, Raptor}, not 3. And 2/5 chance to hit the scum amongst them doesn't sound fantastic to me. That said, disregarding Faust who I obviously won't convince you is scum, at least there ARE 2/5 we can possibly agree on.

But since it seems whoever I might prefer is the one that'll be lowest on your list, I'll just check back in to see who you want my vote on from now on.

[Galzria]

Where would you like to lynch?

Among {XXr, DatSwan, RR, chairs}

I think Andrew did townie stuff today. ANd I think he's actually more agressive as town btw, but I'm not necessarily up to date on Andrew meta.

I'm not up to date on my meta either, and I don't think anyone told Galz that I'm more aggressive as town, at least not in this game. Earlier TWM said I went after mcmc hard as scum in a previous game but that's it.

ANYWAY, I understand why you wouldn't want to lynch faust and I don't really have a case against faust. I just have some interactions between him and Galz that would lead me to suspect faust if Galz flips scum.

But I disagree with your assessment that Galz wouldn't be posting the way he has been if he were scum. I think he himself would disagree with that statement.

I'd like XX, but I wont vote for skumpy or DatSwan today.

The TWM post is what I was referring to, yes.

[Galzria]

Baaa.

vote: Raptor

[Roadrunner7671]

Alright, it's too late now, but it's time to get on a computer at some point.


How do you analyze interactions of dead town? Can we gain anything by analyzing TWM interactions?

[Swowl]

Hypothetical... XXR goes to the rope... are we thinking two vets with him? What is the likelihood that someone like Galz and/or Andrew are bussing him st this point?

[Xxraptorslayer96]

First wagon! yikes!

In other news ill be VLA for pretty much the next 96 hours. Im going to try to respond to as many things as i can right now. so if you have any questions for me, please ask within the next hour or so.

[Xxraptorslayer96]

As I've said, XX is obviously not my top choice for today but he's up there. I can try reading back and seeing if what he's done strikes me more on the scum or the tentative-newbie side.

Two concerns I have about the lynch that occur to me (I haven't thought through it enough yet to consider more pros and cons)

1. Everybody's going to accuse him because he hasn't done anything townie, like they did with Jake yesterday (and like how I started with faust, sure, but that's not important right now).

2. If faust and I are both town, as Teproc believes, then there were 5 town voting for another 1. Then what's the reasoning behind a 5-2 vote on day 1 and XX voting for Robz?

Still, there's a lot against him. I think it's the wrong choice for today, but what do I know, I'm not going to say anybody's a bad lynch now that TWM has moved onto the next life.

Can you or anyone define "anything townie"? I understand my inactivity beng a reason to lynch but i dont understand the reasoning i guess. 

[Skumpy]

Same stuff as Jake, I suppose. Not a lot of specific comments about a lot of people, not really defending your actions and votes, like why you voted Robz for instance.

Unfortunately for you, 96 hours is a long long time without prior warning. Means you'll be back at what, 12 hours before deadline? I can tell there will be people here who will not be very forgiving of you. Specifically Teproc.

[Swowl]

Same stuff as Jake, I suppose. Not a lot of specific comments about a lot of people, not really defending your actions and votes, like why you voted Robz for instance.

Unfortunately for you, 96 hours is a long long time without prior warning. Means you'll be back at what, 12 hours before deadline? I can tell there will be people here who will not be very forgiving of you. Specifically Teproc.

I would like right now to say that I DO NOT think XXR is skum at this point. My question previously was just based on the rest of the context. We should be careful about wagoning more on this just because of VLA.
Also - Townies - as of right now we are getting our asses kicked. The more time the better in the day. Let's communicate about votes but keep a close eye on counts.