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[Galzria]

I felt a little responsible for his death as I WAS on the morning of the lynch and posted that I wasn't going to change and I felt that was a catalyst for him getting lynched instead of Jake.

Good job ignoring that it was actually you who started that wagon.

I expected to get hate for it. Going against the grain will always be controversial. But I do think that between all the interactions and the uncertainty over the claim that it will work out for town in the long run.

It will work out in giving you an excuse for not getting nightkilled, and now with this post you even left a back door open for revoking your claim.

Thanks for acknowledging you won't shoot me tonight.

[Galzria]

Exercise for those of you voting me:

If I'm lynched, I'll flip town.

- Assume we're at that point right now. In twilight.  Reactions? Thoughts on who scum actually is?

"Well, I'm going to have some rereading to do tomorrow. That VT claim really sucked though."

I don't think you flipping town would change my reads all that much. I might want to reevaluate my town read on Andrew, but that's about it.

"Being wrong won't change my reads".

Lol

[Skumpy]

5 on Jake? Current wagon is like Chairs, RR, faust, TWM, Galzria? That's a lot of people I'm not so sure about.

I've got a chance for my first hammer! But I'm going to hold off for a little while. There's like 2 days left, I can afford to take my time, but I won't be too upset if somebody else votes. I'll be in and out for the rest of the day.

[Galzria]

I am almost absolutely convinced there's 1 scum among Jake and Faust.

Why?

I would really like one dead today, and if they're town, the other dead tomorrow (Is that too psychopathic?)

Well, setting up who you want to lynch tomorrow in case of a mislynch is generally considered scummy (even if scum never ever actually does it).

If Faust is scum, then there was scum on the Jake wagon yesterday, which helps explain why it wasn't finished: they were already there.

Well even then I would only be one of them. Who do you think are my partners in that scenario?

He's not setting up mislynches, he's posting his opinions in case he dies at night. You know, the sort of thing that allows us to look back and see what people's reads were. Stop discouraging this.

[chairs]

I am almost absolutely convinced there's 1 scum among Jake and Faust.

Why?

I would really like one dead today, and if they're town, the other dead tomorrow (Is that too psychopathic?)

Well, setting up who you want to lynch tomorrow in case of a mislynch is generally considered scummy (even if scum never ever actually does it).

If Faust is scum, then there was scum on the Jake wagon yesterday, which helps explain why it wasn't finished: they were already there.

Well even then I would only be one of them. Who do you think are my partners in that scenario?

He's not setting up mislynches, he's posting his opinions in case he dies at night. You know, the sort of thing that allows us to look back and see what people's reads were. Stop discouraging this.

[chairs]

(/signed).

Always in favor of people posting. Even if you think Skumpy -is- setting up mislynches, him posting is better than him not posting.

[faust]

(/signed).

Always in favor of people posting. Even if you think Skumpy -is- setting up mislynches, him posting is better than him not posting.

I don't disagree with this, and I don't think what I wrote does anything to discourage Skumpy.

[Galzria]

[...]

I have no idea why you take Andrew's "I don't think it's unlikely that all 3 scum were on-wagon" as "I definitely think it must be true that all three scum were on-wagon", but that's obviously bullshit reasoning.

Because in the context of the opinion he was stating they are the same thing.

[Galzria]

Actual question - if I am VT does he claim still hurt town iyo?

Yes. Scum at night is primarily trying to hunt for PRs to eliminate them as PRs are the biggest threat. When a town player claims VT scum knows their alignment and knows they are unlikely to be lying, therefore they can use process of elimination to night kill other players that have not claimed as they are more likely to be a PR than the claimed player.

^Exactly why you don't prematurely claim. Galz knows this. Town!Galz would not do this.

So would Scum!Galz. I think Galz of either alignment had a reason. And not just a "this won't get me lynched" reason if he is scum. Scum!Galz would have a reason. Town!Galz would have a reason, I have to think.

Notable fact is that scum knows the setup. Many PRs means scum will be forced into VT claims and this makes such claims more dangerous. scum!Galzria might have seen this and decided to make his claim stick out.

Notable fact is that scum knows the setup. They know which fakeclaims are safe and thus have little need to claim VT. If Mod 3 doesn't exist, for example, then Mod 3 is a safe PR claim down the line to make if needed. It is true however that if all 5 MoD's rolled in then they have no safe fakeclaim and must claim VT.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Reads: (please listen to these)

TWM: TOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Teproc: IC, Town
Skumpy: Town
DatSwan: Null
Chairs: Null
XXraptor: Null
Faust: Scummy
RR: Super lurky aka for him Super Scummy
Andrew: Sorta Scummy
Galzria: Super Scummy

Now since me being alive is getting us nowhere. (the Town), I'm out. Good luck town

Vote: Jake

[Galzria]

Bleh. unvote.

That won't look pretty but I don't really care. If Jake is scum I'll gladly be the following lynch for looking the fool here. The wagon doesn't match with my analysis the last few days though.

I know it's kinda jumping the shark to assume Jake is town but my gut says it's a bad lynch - and if that's right then I think my analysis regarding there being 2 scum in {Chairs, RR, Faust, Raptor} is correct. And, well... I don't know a better way to turn the conversation towards them. They've received so little collective suspicion and there's so much else going on it feels like they're set on cruise... and I can't shake the feeling of being played.

I think I want to join Skumpy on vote: faust for now.

[Galzria]

NO

[Galzria]

Jake... damnit

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Jake... damnit

Beat ya

[Galzria]

Less than 60 seconds!

[Galzria]

Damn  man.  I'm sorry I wasn't faster.

[LaLight]

Thread Locked.

[LaLight]

Vote Count 2.final

Galzria (2): AndrewisFTTW, DatSwan
JaketheBaseballGod22 (6): Roadrunner7671, Galzria, chairs, faust, The_Wine_Merchant, JaketheBaseballGod22
faust (1): Skumpy
Roadrunner7671 (1): Teproc

Not voting (1): Xxraptorslayer96

With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

[LaLight]

Don't have time for flavor. Or is it the flavor already?

JaketheBaseballgod22 was lynched! He was Good Memory, the Vanilla Townie.

Night 2 starts now and ends 16.08 at 2pm FT.

[LaLight]

Deadline is prolonged for an hour, till 3pm, due to dance classes I completely forgot about.

[LaLight]

Are my memories dying because I am not the most responsible mod?..

The_Wine_Merchant has died! He was a Good Memory, the Vanilla Townie!

Day 3 starts now and ends August 23, at 3 pm FT.

Thread Unlocked!

[LaLight]

Vote Count 3.0

Not voting (9): Xxraptorslayer96, AndrewisFTTW, DatSwan, Roadrunner7671, Galzria, chairs, faust, Skumpy, Teproc

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[Skumpy]

No surprises there.

Vote: Faust

[Galzria]

Bleh. unvote.

That won't look pretty but I don't really care. If Jake is scum I'll gladly be the following lynch for looking the fool here. The wagon doesn't match with my analysis the last few days though.

I know it's kinda jumping the shark to assume Jake is town but my gut says it's a bad lynch - and if that's right then I think my analysis regarding there being 2 scum in {Chairs, RR, Faust, Raptor} is correct. And, well... I don't know a better way to turn the conversation towards them. They've received so little collective suspicion and there's so much else going on it feels like they're set on cruise... and I can't shake the feeling of being played.

I think I want to join Skumpy on vote: faust for now.

No surprises there.

Vote: Faust

vote: faust

[Galzria]

Exercise for those of you voting me:

If I'm lynched, I'll flip town.

- Assume we're at that point right now. In twilight.  Reactions? Thoughts on who scum actually is?

I'll do the same for Jake tomorrow and suggest others voting Jake do the same too. This isn't special just for me.

If Jake is Town, as I've already stated, I would be almost certainly locked in on {Andrew, DatSwan}.

The biggest reason is that given the group of people I know to be town at that point {Robz, Gkrieg, Jake, Teproc, Galzria}, 4 of them had their votes on {Robz, Jake} at D1 end. If the scum team were also all on {Robz, Jake} that's 7 votes.

This is the end of day vote for those two players:

Robz888 (7): Galzria, chairs, Xxraptorslayer96, Skumpy, gkrieg13, Roadrunner7671, Teproc
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): faust, Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant

Possible scum in this group: {Chairs, Raptor, Skumpy, Roadrunner, Faust, TWM}

If Jake is town I strongly suspect Skumpy is as well - I don't think scum!Skumpy WIFOM's a change from one town wagon to another just to get a lynch. TWM I also read strongly as town right now.

Now, there COULD be 3 scum in {Chairs, Faust, Roadrunner, Raptor}. Certainly would have us in a bind right now as they're getting collectively very little heat - and don't look to be any time soon. But I wouldn't be surprised to see 2 of those 3 be scum if Jake is town, with the last one between Andrew and DatSwan.

So I guess those combination of pairings is where I would be looking. 2-3 of {Faust, Chairs, Roadrunner, Raptor}, and 1 of {Andrew, DatSwan}. Maybe I should focus more on the first group?